/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19158601]

Are there any books that combat the prevailing infantile view of nature and show nature how it really is i.e. red in tooth and claw?

[Anonymous No.19158609]

>it's saturday afternoon
>time for a hundred zoomers to post a hundred vague request threads based on Youtube videos they just saw, podcasts they just listened to, or memes they just saw on social media

[Anonymous No.19158633]

>>19158609
>afternoon
Actually it's already evening in the cool parts of the world

[Anonymous No.19158698]

>>19158601
Why don't you read the man you just quoted?

[Anonymous No.19158765]

Lmao it's actually de maistre's vision of nature which was infantile and thoroughly embedded in an enlightenment worldview and its universalization of violence. Read Klages you dolt

[Anonymous No.19158864]

>>19158765
Imagine typing this post unironically. This was the view of even the most ancient compositions like from mesopotamian civilizations, the Bible is deeply aware of it, Buddhist scriptures as well. I don’t need to comment about gnostics too. But try checking out a guy called Heraclitus, another one: Nietzsche. More? Freud, Girard.
I don’t know what is up with people and this childish, gullible view of the world.

[Anonymous No.19158881]

>>19158601
No, read The Denial of Death

[Anonymous No.19158882]

>>19158864
ah yes how could the perpetrators of two world wars ever come to the conclusion that nature is populated by mindless nigger brains like them? it is a mystery

[Anonymous No.19158925]

>>19158882
War is the father of all things.
Ah forgot about Empedocles.

[Anonymous No.19158927]

>muh state of nature!
>muh war of all against all!
>I’m so glad I live in a city and have daddy government to protect me from the outside world! I’ll support the Leviathan every day baby!
Liberals are so pathetic.
Ask any experienced /out/doorsman and they’ll all tell you the same thing: finding animal carcasses while walking out in the woods is rare.
Go outside and touch grass.

[Anonymous No.19158961]

>>19158927
>de Maistre
>liberal
The absolute state
>Ask any experienced /out/doorsman and they’ll all tell you the same thing: finding animal carcasses while walking out in the woods is rare
Yeah I'm sure carnivores eat veggies lmao

[Anonymous No.19158972]

>>19158925
don't lump based dualists who'd throttle you for reveling in the fundamental violence of nature in with your cringe low T mutt larp, mutt.

you also forgot about the Zoroastrians. look up what they thought the primordial state of nature was actually like, pseudnugget

>>19158927
yup

[Anonymous No.19158988]

>>19158972
>dualists
Lmao, read books braindead nigger. Most of those were dialectical monists. The point is that the guy’s objection to de Maistre and OP makes no sense and miss the point that he is not saying anything new.

[Anonymous No.19158994]

>>19158601
>>19158609
>>19158765
>>19158864
>>19158927
>>19158972
>>19158988
The normal man is the man that loves and feasts and fights and hunts, the predatory man. The abnormal man is he that toils for a master, half-starves, and 'thinks' — the Christly dog. The first is a perfect animal; the second, a perfect — monster.
Every belief that makes a duty of humility — that inspires people with 'moral' courage only, enervates their fibre, corrupts their spirit, and prepares them first for thralldom and then for— throttling.
It is not possible to conceive of Grand Life without incessant rivalry, perpetual warfare and the implacable hunting of man by man.
Terror, torture, agony and the wholesale destruction of feeble and worn out types, must mark in future, as m the past, every step forward, or backward in evolution, homo-culture and racial displacement.
The soil of every nation is an arena, a stamping ground, where only the most vigorous animals may hope to hold their own. What is all history but the epic of a colossal campaign, the final Armageddon of which is never likely to be fought, because, when men cease to fight— they cease to be — Men.
This old earth is strewn to the very mountain tops with the fleshless skulls and rain bleached bones of perished combatants in countless myriads. Every square foot, every inch, of soil contains it

[Anonymous No.19158996]

>>19158881
This book convinced me to forfeit as well

[Anonymous No.19158997]

>>19158988
>empedocles was a dialectical monist
you're a retard, mate. read klages, perlman, literally anyone who didn't get cucked by the leviathan mind virus into universalizing/naturalizing/ontologizing its violence.

[Anonymous No.19159000]

>>19158927
Why do literal retards need to brainwash themselves into thinking nature is all love, peaceful, kind, in order to see its values? I find it hard to believe you people actually hold such a view.

[Anonymous No.19159001]

>>19158994
so hideously cringe, you will never be a 1%er

[Anonymous No.19159004]

>>19159000
why do literal cuckolds need to brainwash themselves into thinking nature is horror and agony 100% of the time?

[Anonymous No.19159010]

>>19159001

[Anonymous No.19159020]

>>19158994
Thinking is a masculine trait. Being on the mental level of animals is for females.

[Anonymous No.19159021]

>>19158997
>most of these
>in a post empedocles was not mentioned
There are even zoroastrian movements who posited an arche-Principle above evil and good principles.

You must be really mentally impaired not to see that there is no direct implication in what I’m saying and a need for a State/determination. See Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.19159026]

>>19159020
Thinking is a feminine trait.
All the famous heroes of old operated on instinct. they did not lament their fate or spend hours talking. they fucked, fought and killed

[Anonymous No.19159027]

>>19159021
>nietzsche was a statist
lmao. and oh wow, zurvan! I hate zoomers so much. give it a few years, kid.

[Anonymous No.19159028]

>>19159004
>its values
Learn to read, please.

[Anonymous No.19159031]

>>19159026
only faggots and women worship force. get on your knees and suck that BHC

[Anonymous No.19159035]

>>19158994
Careful, you’ll cut yourself on that edge.

[Anonymous No.19159037]

>>19159031
>only faggots and women worship force. get on your knees and suck that BHC

[Anonymous No.19159042]

>>19159027
Holy fuck, you still can’t understand what I’m saying, but that’s because you haven’t read Nietzsche, otherwise it would be clear (will to power, dominance, violence, strength, superiority, anti-reason/cerebra activity, etc….).

[Anonymous No.19159047]

>>19159042
I've gone beyond your undergrad paradigm, that's what you're failing to understand. Read more.

[Anonymous No.19159048]

>>19159027
>he thinks zurvanism is the only monistic movement emerging out of zoroastrianism
And I am the zoomer, lmao

[Anonymous No.19159057]

>>19159047
Go on and extrapolate on what I’m getting at here. Let’s see.

[Anonymous No.19159066]

>>19159048
>still doesn't have the slightest clue about zoroastrian ontology of nature, its views on predation - that carnivorous animals are an ahrimanic perversion of once-beneficent animals - and the "destroyers of existence" this faggot is recruiting to cock slop said destroyers
cringe

[Anonymous No.19159068]

>>19159026
>Thinking is a feminine trait.
it's literally not.

[Anonymous No.19159078]

>>19159057
you're just another cookie cutter evolutionist demiurgecuck who thinks it takes some special skill to obey the technological imperative.

[Anonymous No.19159081]

>>19159066
>resorting to the pre-lapsarian fantastical narrative missing the metaphysical symbolism of beginning and ending meeting each other.
Either go outside or start reading.

[Anonymous No.19159097]

>>19159081
>zoroastrian doctrine was wrong bro
Lmao beginning and the end meeting, are you fucking retard bro? Do you know the first thing about Zoroastrian ontology, the final judgment and expulsion Evil from Ahura Mazda's then eternally pure creation? There's no room for you lumberjack larpers in the Final Paradise, faggot.

[Anonymous No.19159098]

>>19159078
Lmao nothing of what I said has any thing to do with evolutionism (it is totally secondary regarding what I’m saying actually)
>demourgecuck
My view of the demiurgic process is dialectical and ambiguous

[Anonymous No.19159106]

>>19159098
>noooo your words have to mean what I think they mean!!
demiurgecuck. worshippers of violence, force, predation, domination, power, the utility of death, thermodynamic robbery = the World, are demiurgecucks. end of story.

[Anonymous No.19159133]

>>19159106
>thinking the most external consequences of the real principle is what is “worshipped”
Dude you have absolute no clue about what I’m talking.

[Anonymous No.19159146]

>>19159133
I'm not surprised you didn't respond to the post calling you out on your poor grasp of Zoroastrian eschatology. A horseshoe? Come on.

[Anonymous No.19159171]

>>19159146
Because that was not thr point you imbecile. The point was simply that dualist, monist, pluralist, doctrines all recognized the violence and chaotic element inherent in the world/nature.

[Anonymous No.19159180]

>>19159171
But they didn't worship it or think it was heckin epicrino, they despised it.

[Anonymous No.19159187]

>>19159097
>pre-lapsarian paradise
>expulsion of evil
Dude youre a tard

[Anonymous No.19159203]

>>19159180
>they didn’t worship it
Holy shit stop being dumb for a minute, my point was the recognition of evil. What about Nietzsche who embodied it?

[Anonymous No.19159209]

>>19159187
peepeepoopoo

>>19159203
recognition =/= exaggeration, de cuckstre exaggerated it, the gnostics recognized it, or at least they made sure not to sound like redditors

[Anonymous No.19159241]

>>19159209
>exaggerated
Lmao dont even read ancient scriptures about assyrians and wars, nietzsche, schopenhauer or any anthropological book literally you optimistic redditor

[Anonymous No.19159264]

>>19159209
>gnostics didn’t exaggerate they recognized
Lmao you have never read a book about them and much less any primary text. One of my own critiques against them is precisely that they assume a sentimental and overreact against some minor life struggles as the worst thing of all and as proof of a malevolent creator

[Anonymous No.19159267]

>>19159241
mature optimism is based, there's nothing more reddit than your doom and bloom blood and guts demonization of your ground

[Anonymous No.19159280]

>>19159264
Lmao I've read more gnostic texts and secondary sources than you can shake a stick at, you're a clown, imagine thinking the gnostics were overreacting while posting undergrad shit like Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.19159307]

>>19158601
Nature is nothing like that.

[Anonymous No.19159311]

>>19158765
let me guess, you're a western urbanite ?

[Anonymous No.19159443]

>>19159307
Animals don’t kill each other in order to dominate and feed themselves and their offspring? Nature itself does not ravish its own natural environments? Fire, storms sweeping woodlands and everything together with it, birds, insects. Microorganisms in the same constant attack against one another, against animals, against man. Your body is a killing machine against external harms, and they can even end up killing yourself. Do I need to mention man himself?

[Anonymous No.19159475]

>>19159443
Microorganisms don't feel anything, and many can survive for a really long time just by converting sunlight into sugars.
But that doesn't play very well into whatever might makes right narrative OP wants to fap to.

[Anonymous No.19159523]

>>19159443
>the 30 year old kooller
>aaaaaaaaa im koolling

[Anonymous No.19159541]

>>19159475
Nobody said anything about feeling.

[Anonymous No.19159544]

>>19159475
>But that doesn't play very well into whatever might makes right narrative OP wants to fap to.
more likely it's irrelevant as we are not microorganisms

[Anonymous No.19159628]

>>19159443
>>19159475
>>19159544
>>19159541
It's a violent SYSTEM. Whether the elements within that system are capable of suffering is irrelevant. The primary function and state of the system at any given scale and at any given point in time is violent, appropriative, and dominance based

[Anonymous No.19159665]

>>19159628
Just kill yourself already you kike fuck.

>We recall that the ancients dreamt of a lost “Golden Age,” or “paradise,” a realm wherein the lion would lie down with the lamb, and the serpent would dwell with man as his protective spirit. Even this idea is not so utterly fantastic as the false doctrine that teaches us that all of nature is perpetually in the grip of a ceaseless “struggle for existence.”

>The scientists who study the polar regions tell us of the fearless intimacy with which penguins, reindeers, sea lions, seals, and sea-gulls greet the first appearance of man. Pioneers who have explored the tropical regions never fail to amaze us with the images they communicate, especially those which pertain to the moment in which these students first perceive, arrayed in peaceful cohabitation, swarms of wild geese, cranes, ibis, flamingoes, herons, storks, marabous, giraffes, zebras, gnus, antelopes, and gazelles. We understand completely the true symbiosis that embraces the entire animal kingdom, and which extends throughout the entire planet.

>However, as soon as the man of “progress” arrives on the scene, he announces his masterful presence by spreading death and the horror of death all around him.

[Anonymous No.19159683]

>>19159665
>However, as soon as the man of “progress” arrives on the scene, he announces his masterful presence by spreading death and the horror of death all around him.
>animals hadn't been killing each other before man arrived on the scene
this is what G*rman "intellectuals" actually believe

[Anonymous No.19159691]

>>19159683
>misses the point entirely to keep masturbating to misery porn

[Anonymous No.19159700]

>>19159665
>The scientists who study the polar regions tell us of the fearless intimacy with which penguins, reindeers, sea lions, seals, and sea-gulls greet the first appearance of man. Pioneers who have explored the tropical regions never fail to amaze us with the images they communicate, especially those which pertain to the moment in which these students first perceive, arrayed in peaceful cohabitation, swarms of wild geese, cranes, ibis, flamingoes, herons, storks, marabous, giraffes, zebras, gnus, antelopes, and gazelles. We understand completely the true symbiosis that embraces the entire animal kingdom, and which extends throughout the entire planet.
Anyone who watches nature can confirm this. I see birds, alligators, small mammals, and insects of various sorts all sit next to each other for hours minding their own business. Obviously at some point they need to eat something, and this something is sometimes one another. Most of the time the animals just hang out and chill. Predator and prey, big and small.

[Anonymous No.19159707]

>>19159665
Sure man. The rainforest is a functional self sustaining ecosystem because all the birds and bugs open a buffet for everyone else, including the humans.

[Anonymous No.19159708]

>>19159700
>animals are chill most of the time except when they desperately try to devour each other and crush each others' bones under their teeth
please kill yourself you absolute subhuman

[Anonymous No.19159721]

>>19159708
>>19159700
I've seen them chill too. And sometimes I like to imagine they live with a stoic indifference that one will snuff the other's flame at a moments notice over a hunger pang. I like seeing animals relax with eachother, and it definitely happens, but it's not what defines their end and it's not what defines the function/ stability of the biosphere

[Anonymous No.19159724]

>>19159665
holy fucking shit, klages is really an imbecile, how could someone be this deluded after reading (and even liking) Nietzsche? Inconceivable.

[Anonymous No.19159737]

>>19159708
Why are you so mad dude. Life doesn't have to be a heavy metal album cover all the time

[Anonymous No.19159738]

>that’s right goy! Don’t go into nature, you’ll be killed instantly by a hungry bear or wolves or something, much better to stay in civilization where it’s safe.
Your simplistic narratives of nature bad aren’t fooling anyone.
Aryans have dwelt in the primeval forests of Evropa for centuries, they knew that the forest is mostly still.
When violence does happen it’s ends just as fast as it begins, the Tiger snaps the neck of its prey and its over, not the constant warfare that Jews and shabbos goyim like Maistre that have never stepped out of their house for a nature walk say it is.

[Anonymous No.19159739]

Literally just watch a nature documentary or read some nonfiction you idiots
Look at the damn food chain or better yet just go outside
You really think some over socialized diplomat like De Maistre can give you a more objective view of nature?

[Anonymous No.19159740]

>>19159708
The point is it isn't all violence all the time you fish-eyed twat

[Anonymous No.19159748]

>>19159737
>what I don't see doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.19159753]

>>19159748
>what I want to see is the only thing that exists

[Anonymous No.19159760]

>>19159740
It's defined by violence, even if it's not constant

[Anonymous No.19159763]

>>19159738
And they dwelt by destroying trees, plants, murdering animals, inects in order to provide dwelling, food, medicine, everything

you are so braindead that you think that the whole point is a dumb natural evil vs. civilization good, when in fact is just proof that there will never be peace not even in social gatherings where the instincts are sublated into social and psychological violence.

[Anonymous No.19159770]

>>19159748
Ummmm hello, reading comprehension? That's not what I said. Strange hill to die on, my friend.

[Anonymous No.19159776]

>>19158601
>red in tooth and claw?
That is the prevailing view.

[Anonymous No.19159799]

>>19159763
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism_(biology)
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism_(biology)
Explain this smartass

[Anonymous No.19160660]

>>19159776

[Anonymous No.19160682]

>>19159665
How does this filter so many people?

[Anonymous No.19160708]

"JACKALOPES could be here" he thought, "I've never been this close to a bush before. There could be JACKALOPES anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his blue bonnet. "I HATE JACKALOPES" he thought. Salve Regina reverberated through his rosary beads, making each one pulsate even as the wine lingered on his powerful thick tongue and washed away his (justified) fear of animals outside the city. "With a eucharist, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

[Anonymous No.19160717]

"JACKALOPES could be here" he thought, "I've never been this close to a bush before. There could be JACKALOPES anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his blue bonnet. "I HATE JACKALOPES" he thought. Salve Regina reverberated through his rosary beads, making each one pulsate even as the wine lingered on his powerful thick tongue and washed away his (justified) fear of animals outside the city. "With a eucharist, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

[Anonymous No.19160878]

>>19159665
>arrayed in peaceful cohabitation, swarms of wild geese, cranes, ibis, flamingoes, herons, storks, marabous, giraffes, zebras, gnus, antelopes, and gazelles.
the selective bias is strong on this mong

[Anonymous No.19160916]

>>19158994
go to bed Arthur

[Anonymous No.19160934]

>>19159700
>Anyone who watches nature clips on yootoob can confirm this

[Anonymous No.19160966]

>>19158601
Hobbes and anything by Hobbesians and neo-Hobbesians

[Anonymous No.19160970]

>>19160717
Nice 1 punchy.

[Anonymous No.19161008]

>>19158927
>Ask any experienced /out/doorsman and they’ll all tell you the same thing: finding animal carcasses while walking out in the woods is rare.
Because you live in a environment that has been domesticated by humans.
There are barely any wolves or bears and no large cats in our forests because we humans have killed them

[Anonymous No.19161235]

>>19159739
watching nature documentaries serves only to confirm his statement though.

im genuinely confused by the denial of the violent nature of the predator/prey relationship in the natural world. probably the strangest thing ive ever seen people insist upon, even stranger than flat earth reptilian tier stuff

[Anonymous No.19161251]

>bro nature is actually like a diisney movie where creatures cooexist peacefully

>meanwhile every nanosecond in nature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMFvEJXDAmY

[Anonymous No.19161291]

>>19161251
>bro nature is actually like a netflix movie where creatures cooexist with my spectacle brain

[Anonymous No.19161757]

>>19158765
>>19158864
>>19158882
yeah the aesthetics of it are gorgeous but it's childish and a mindless trope with suspicious motives

[Anonymous No.19161849]

I made the OP picture and I take pleasure in the amount of pain and eye strain I have caused to people over the years with that choice of text and shadow

[Anonymous No.19161852]

>“What are we to make of a creation in which the routine activity is for organisms to be tearing others apart with teeth of all types—biting, grinding flesh, plant stalks, bones between molars, pushing the pulp greedily down the gullet with delight, incorporating its essence into one’s own organization, and then excreting with foul stench and gasses the residue. Everyone reaching out to incorporate others who are edible to him. The mosquitoes bloating themselves on blood, the maggots, the killer-bees attacking with a fury and a demonism, sharks continuing to tear and swallow while their own innards are being torn out—not to mention the daily dismemberment and slaughter in “natural” accidents of all types: an earthquake buries alive 70 thousand bodies in Peru, automobiles make a pyramid heap of over 50 thousand a year in the U.S. alone, a tidal wave washes over a quarter of a million in the Indian Ocean. Creation is a nightmare spectacular taking place on a planet that has been soaked for hundreds of millions of years in the blood of all its creatures. The soberest conclusion that we could make about what has actually been taking place on the planet for about three billion years is that it is being turned into a vast pit of fertilizer. But the sun distracts our attention, always baking the blood dry, making things grow over it, and with its warmth giving the hope that comes with the organism’s comfort and expansiveness. “Questo sol m’arde, e questo m’inna-more,” as Michelangelo put it.”

Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

[Anonymous No.19161854]

Blood Meridian is the answer. The whole thing is about the eternal nature of war

[Anonymous No.19161887]

>LIFE IS SO HARD!
Is there any more bullshit story than this? I live in the middle of nowhere so I get to see animals out almost daily. But when do I definitely not see them? In the middle of a storm. You know what they do? The bald eagles are over the river at dusk before the storm getting a nice feast into them, then they sleep out the storm. Three days later they get up at dawn and go fishing again.
Just like the coyotes are nice and cuddled up in their den after killing a deer and celebrating like monkeys.
Fucking bears graze the blueberries and wild cherries for most of the day in the fall. A fucking natural harvest without having to plant a thing. Then they sleep for 4 or 5 months. It's like the Land of fucking Cockaigne.
But no
>LIFE IS SOMETHING LIKE ENDLESS ENDURING UNENDURABLE PAIN AND SUFFERING!
Fuck off. It's only you insufferable stupid cunts who are like this.
If I see someone out in the pouring rain it is some autistic retard boomer who just has to get things done. Humans trudge through the mud and muck because they're insufferable parasites who just want to drag others down with them.
No, you're not going to drop that bread in the mucky forest path because of some greater path to Virtue and Good, you are not a sacrifice to pain and the rightful turning of the world, you are just such a selfish unthinking cunt that you wanted to get stuck in the mud so that all your family and neighbours would go out and get fucked too.
An owl is going to swoop down from a tree, steal the bread, and go back to sleeping in its shelter after a good free snack. Meanwhile all your neighbours are going to get the mud flu ad spread it to surrounding villages because of your inconsiderate ass.

>Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Dying In The Rain Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Step Under The Eaves Like Nigga You Can Survive Three Days Without Water And God Is Giving You A Golden Shower Haha

But no, we'll build a goddamn worldwide fucking floating parking lot and snort animal dung for eternity because of a little bit of fucking rain. You autistic fucking niggers.

Life isn't that hard. Noah was a fucking warning not a moral law to relieve you of your stupidity. Prepare your shit. Have a stock of food. Take a sip and then a nap if it's raining. The animals can take care of themselves. Fucking take a shower. Your penis washes itself if you stand in the windy rain.

But no we'll just piss into the dry wind until there is no rain that hasn't been tainted.

Fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.19161890]

>>19159475
algae compete for sunlight

[Anonymous No.19161893]

>>19161887
I think I have seen this pasta last year, kek. Still didn't read.

[Anonymous No.19161908]

>>19159665
This actually made guffaw, this can only have been written by a perfect imbecile completely divorced from any real understanding of the natural world.
>this penguin who has never seen a human before didn't attack them, that means everything is really a peace interrupted
lmao it's like this guy has never even heard of science or Darwin.

[Anonymous No.19161916]

>>19159475
Sunlight isn't an unlimited resource that is equally available everywhere, neither is the water or the CO2 required for photosynthesis, the availability of which is also contingent upon other organisms and their competition. Even in the microscopic world there is scarcity, thus there are winners and losers.

[Anonymous No.19161926]

whats going on in this thread, are obnoxious contrarians actually arguing against the existence of perpetual violent conflict in nature?

[Anonymous No.19161934]

>>19159665
This retard should have spent few weeks in the jungles of Africa or in Polar regions, all by himself without any support by "progressive" man.

[Anonymous No.19161937]

>>19161926
Go outside. Anyone who thinks this has never been in nature.

[Anonymous No.19161948]

>>19161937
what the fuck are you talking about? its literally how all life perpetuates its self, animals arent out here just...perpetually existing without obtaining sustenance. is that what you are trying to suggest?

[Anonymous No.19161956]

>>19161937
See >>19161008

[Anonymous No.19161961]

>>19158601
O. K.

[Anonymous No.19161977]

>>19161956
>>19161887

[Anonymous No.19161983]

>>19161948
Where do you live anon? And how often do you go outside?

[Anonymous No.19161984]

>>19161977
Didn't read

[Anonymous No.19161989]

>>19161926
Zoomers have no gasp on reality, they think rights and cities are some kind of perennial magic that aren't sustained by a vastness of misery and death and that not only do they exist in a vacuum but so does everything else everywhere, the universe is one big economic bubble

[Anonymous No.19161992]

>>19158765
>read optimistic idealist who was detached from reality and thought nature was le ebin orgies and romanticism

[Anonymous No.19161996]

>>19158927
>and they’ll all tell you the same thing: finding animal carcasses while walking out in the woods is rare.
This is because most natural predators are already killed off by humans, especially the predators of larger animals like deer, etc.

[Anonymous No.19162002]

>>19161983
stop deflecting anon, is that the point you are trying to make? are you trying to imply that the concept of eating is a myth? what exectly are you trying to say here?

[Anonymous No.19162003]

>>19161984
See
>>>/rdt/

[Anonymous No.19162004]

>>19161887
Based.

[Anonymous No.19162009]

>>19161934
>this retard should have lived in an environment he wasn't exquisitely adapted to over millions of years, nature btfo
retard

>>19161996
>noooo nature has to be ebin violence instead

[Anonymous No.19162012]

>>19158601
It's not infantile, it's a common effort of imagination to make things more sufferable. You are like the guy who keeps saying "why the hell are you cheering on? You really think wrestling is real?"

[Anonymous No.19162013]

>>19162003
So posting pastas are now a sing of a genius? Go back to your wooden shack you retarded cunt.

[Anonymous No.19162015]

>>19161989
the misery and death in nature will always be less than what is called for by the cities and faggots like de cuckstre who need an entire planetary control system to cry about a tiger earning its keep with its own body and verve

[Anonymous No.19162016]

>>19162002
It's retarded. And it's not a deflection to say that city retards can't tell us anything about nature.
Most animals live off of plants, while others kill mostly whats going to die anyway. There's no perpetual state of violence, it's a liberal myth about human fears of its own nature. Nothing more than that.

[Anonymous No.19162017]

>>19161937
>go outside
>see city that only exists by formalized violence called laws and customs
>step on countless insects and 3 acorns
>the birds rats and squirrels eat them
>the cats eat them
>get a coffee from a wageslave who I and my class render low for our services
>the coffee they serve me is in about 1,000 different ways the product of slavery murder deforestation and domestication
>it doesn't taste very good
>spill it out in front of their cart so their day is just that little much harder
>the person behind me laughs
>somewhere miles away the coffee guy's therapist and soon to be ex wife are laughing too
>breath deep the assorted fumes many stores and businesses all of which are dominated by car exhaust that are each directly and indirectly killing all kinds of plants and animals while also engaging the social machinery that consigns man in orders of agent violence while enabling more and more such cogs the world over while also being enabled by them
>smile
Another day in paradise.

[Anonymous No.19162020]

>>19162016
and to add to this, there is no parasitism in nature on the scale of human parasitism, it's not exactly an auto-regulating harmony but it isn't some manichaean kingdom of darkness where everything is lacerating everything everywhere all the time, it's rich hearing white bread incels pontificate about le state of nature and calling the rest of us infantile for not subscribing to such a cartoonishly grimdark vision of reality

[Anonymous No.19162021]

>>19162009
>MUH NAUTRE IS EBIN WHOLESOMERINOOOO PARADISERINOOOO NOOOOOOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT I SHOULD EXPERIENCE IT FOR MYSELF BEFORE MAKING ROMANTIC CLAIMS ABOUT EBIN NATURE? NOOOOOOOOOO I AM NOT A PART OF IT LE PROGRESSIVE MAN RUINED EVERYTHING AAAAAHHHHH

[Anonymous No.19162022]

>>19161926
These people have never read Marx or Nietzsche or anything else either, they don't think deeply about the nature of the world and so obviously their views of it are positive.

[Anonymous No.19162026]

>>19162021
Nooo my nature is just like my warhamz... ?

Yawn.

[Anonymous No.19162029]

>>19162020
this is pretty good bait ngl
have the first of many (you)s

[Anonymous No.19162034]

>>19162016
nigga what the FUCK are you talking about? yes herbivores exist but there is still a constant stream of carnivores and omnivores that are out there hunting other fauna to survive

this is the most asinine conversation ive ever had

[Anonymous No.19162036]

>>19162020
If you weren't retarded you'd understand that there isn't a single example of anything you can name that isn't reliant on an infinite regress of violence to exist.

[Anonymous No.19162039]

>>19162026
>NOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN PARADISERINOOOOO I LOVE THE ARTIFICIAL HELL OF PROGRESSIVE MAN

[Anonymous No.19162040]

>>19162029
christ you niggers are so fucking alienated from reality. keep shitting yourself in your mcmansion over pack hunters faggot lmao

[Anonymous No.19162052]

>>19162036
what you faggots will never understand is that nature isn't paradise or hell, it's real, and the real will always have enough room to accommodate as much violence as it does tranquility.

[Anonymous No.19162056]

>>19162040
You're on internet made by urban man. If you don't like it then fuck off and collect the shit of pigs in your wooden shack.

[Anonymous No.19162057]

>>19162016
This is correct. Watching youtube videos of extreme circumstances won't teach you shit. The reality of your big bad scary animal is that they run away from a clap. Literally all it takes.
Of course there are extreme circumstances, sick animals, and the loss of fear because of human retreat from nature. But these are far from the norm and cannot be used to explain what nature is.

[Anonymous No.19162059]

>>19162056
and I still understand the pith of reality better than you do, and don't subscribe to your cartoonish binary overlays of Goo Goo Ga Ga Paradise or Hobbesian-Manichaean Demon Blood Orgy.

[Anonymous No.19162060]

>>19162057
>big bad scary animal is that they run away from a clap
Meant a bear.

[Anonymous No.19162064]

>>19162056
>internet made by urban man
Made by military man. Who probably retreats to the woods anytime he can.

[Anonymous No.19162069]

>In the whole vast dome of living nature there reigns an open violence. A kind of prescriptive fury which arms all the creatures to their common doom: as soon as you leave the inanimate kingdom you find the decree of violent death inscribed on the very frontiers of life. You feel it already in the vegetable kingdom: from the great catalpa to the humblest herb, how many plants die and how many are killed; but, from the moment you enter the animal kingdom, this law is suddenly in the most dreadful evidence. A Power, a violence, at once hidden and palpable. . . has in each species appointed a certain number of animals to devour the others. . . And who [in this general carnage] exterminates him who will exterminate all others? Himself. It is man who is charged with the slaughter of man. . . The whole earth, perpetually steeped in blood, is nothing but a vast altar upon which all that is living must be sacrificed without end, without measure, without pause, until the consummation of things, until evil is extinct, until the death of death.

[Anonymous No.19162074]

>>19162057
>animals usually avoid pointless danger when confronted, therefore predators dont exist
this has to be the most bizzare trolling ive ever seen

[Anonymous No.19162075]

>>19158601
nature programs on tv = hi-def footage of lions fucking and antelopes getting torn in half.

[Anonymous No.19162076]

>>19162059
You're not a special snowflake for living in a domesticated landscape because most predators were shot by humans with modern industrial tools. Go live in jungles of Africa then I will take your claims seriously.

[Anonymous No.19162084]

>>19162076
>still completely missing the point
you're retarded

[Anonymous No.19162091]

>>19162064
Kek, all military centers are Urban complexes and uses modern industrial tools. As I have said go mange the pig shit and don't worry about cities. Cities live rent free in your head even when you're living in ebin naturerino

[Anonymous No.19162095]

>>19162084
What's the point?

[Anonymous No.19162099]

>>19162095
that anyone who has a vested interested in pushing the le war against all narrative has an agenda, and there's a reason you see this narrative predominate in urboids and not actual societies which lived in closer harmony with their environments. why would I listen to some faggot on 4chan when these themes are completely absent in Lao Tzu, for example?

[Anonymous No.19162105]

>>19162074
The argument is that there is open permanent violence that nature seeks blood.
The counter is that even predators aren't driven by bloodlust.
And your justification is 'well the predators can't be fighting all the time which proves that there is open bloodlust.'

You're a retard. Go back to starbucks.

[Anonymous No.19162115]

>>19162099
You're again bragging about living in domesticated environment. And humans lived in group since very beginnings because individual survival had zero chance in nature. That literature was written in planned societies with armies with weapons and shit.

[Anonymous No.19162116]

>>19162091
>women in the military
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89OP78l9oF0

[Anonymous No.19162121]

>>19162116
Bro seriously stop using internet and go enjoy the beauty of nature. If you think that city people are pathetic because they live in pathetic environment then you're way more pathetic who lives in a Paradise and still piss away his time in toxic shithole arguing with city people that you hate.

[Anonymous No.19162127]

>>19162115
you're a fucking retard m8. unreal.

[Anonymous No.19162131]

>>19162127
At least I am not a deluded romantic imbecile.

[Anonymous No.19162138]

>>19162121
>arguing like a woman
Thanks for confirming.

[Anonymous No.19162144]

>>19162138
>Projecting like a pig shit manager
Thanks for confirming

[Anonymous No.19162145]

>>19162105

so let me get this straight...

so for starters, it appears you are just arguing semantics over the use of the term "blood lust" as anything but straight up psychopathic violence for its own sake

now secondly, the quote in the OP does not in anyway imply nature is "dominated by violence for the sake of violence", it specifically points out that nature is steeped in acts of violence used as a means to perpetuate and regulate its self, not "out of bloodlust"

in fact it specifically goes out of its way to point out how humanity differs with its tendency toward wanton violence

all in all, the picture in the OP is simply an acknowledgement of the violence of consummation that defines the overwhelmingly vast majority of organic life, and that humanity is not all together separate from nature in this regard, as we too kill to sustain and perpetuate ourselves

this is an objectively correct assessment of the nature of organic life forms

[Anonymous No.19162152]

>>19162131
>At least I am not a deluded
you can't always get what you want

[Anonymous No.19162156]

>>19162152
Like a Zebra struggling to free his neck from the jaws of a Lion.

[Anonymous No.19162164]

>>19162156
>omg im so fucking miserooble!!! aaaaa im miseroobling!!!!!

[Anonymous No.19162168]

>>19162164
Yes that's what the pain of prey signified billions of times.

[Anonymous No.19162173]

>>19162168
>aaaaaa reality is so bad!!! aaaaaaaaaa there's no peace or tranquility or goodness anywhere, it's all evil because I have to get up for work in the morning!!!!!!!

at least have the balls to take the gnosticpill

[Anonymous No.19162177]

>>19162116
>>19162121
the Chad farmer dabbing on city jannies

[Anonymous No.19162181]

>>19162145
Cringe and didn't read.

[Anonymous No.19162187]

>>19160717
Underrated

[Anonymous No.19162188]

>>19162173
>woooooow reality is so good!!! wooooooow there's peace or tranquility or goodness anywhere, it's all goodness because I have to get up for work in the morning!!!!!!!

At least have the balls to take Kashmir Shaivismpill

[Anonymous No.19162209]

>>19162188
>still arguing like a logic gate
Lmao, hopeless.

[Anonymous No.19162214]

>>19162209
>hopeless
Kek, that's a sin. All is bliss.

[Anonymous No.19162218]

>>19162214
>you're 1, I'm 0!!!!!!! there's no other possible way to think about this topic!!!!!
braindead faggot

[Anonymous No.19162220]

>>19162145
Don't care about some edgelord who thinks you have to pray just for existing. Same mentality gave us PETA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMwjK9W7btA

[Anonymous No.19162221]

>>19162218
Yes this what you implied.

[Anonymous No.19162238]

>>19162220
>l-le PETA...
Lmao what is this 2004 era Maddox? I hate Americans so much it's unreal.

[Anonymous No.19162242]

>>19162238
>pretending euros are any different
If anything trannies in your old buildings show that you're even worse.

[Anonymous No.19162254]

>>19162242
just because you're a mutt with no principles doesn't mean I am. I respect a woman who is willing to make a fool of herself and is pretty awkward about it a million times more than someone like you. One time I went through the McDonald's drive through to ask them if they ever thought about the animals whose flesh they serve every day because 1) I know it's awkward and I wanted to own it instead of being a shit-eating lemming like you who cares what people think and 2) to hear some NPC circuits fry. It was a good day.

[Anonymous No.19162289]

>>19162254
>One time I went through the McDonald's drive through to ask them if they ever thought about the animals whose flesh they serve every day because 1) I know it's awkward and I wanted to own it instead of being a shit-eating lemming like you who cares what people think and 2) to hear some NPC circuits fry. It was a good day.
loser

[Anonymous No.19162347]

>>19162289
>l-loser!!
NPC

[Anonymous No.19162352]

>>19158994
Don't you have to be 15 to post here?

[Anonymous No.19162356]

>>19159280
>Lmao I've read more gnostic texts and secondary sources than you can shake a stick at
This is like taking pride in how many cocks you sucked in highschool

[Anonymous No.19162358]

>>19162356
Is it? No, I don't think it is.

[Anonymous No.19162367]

>>19162254
Sir imma ha'ta axe you to calm down, there aint nuttin close to real meat in deez burgers

[Anonymous No.19162375]

>>19162105
>The argument is that there is open permanent violence that nature seeks blood.
Nobody puts up this argument, so if you got this you're either a troll or an utter retard who can't into basic metaphor. I suspect the latter.

[Anonymous No.19162422]

>>19162358
Trust me bro, it is

[Anonymous No.19162493]

>>19159026
>didn't start with the Greeks

[Anonymous No.19162703]

>>19158927
Finding animal carcasses is rare because the predators and shortly thereafter also scavengers eat them. are u fucking retarded?

>touch grass
tell me you don't leave your basement without telling me you don't leave your basement

[Anonymous No.19162733]

>>19162022
nature is violent struggle is babbys first interpretation. There's more harmony than not.

[Anonymous No.19162748]

>>19158927
you are seriously arguing that de maistre is wrong because you havent seen enough carcasses in woods?

[Anonymous No.19162751]

>>19160717
>>19160717
They breed mid air during lightening strikes -- the jackalopes are our thoughts

[Anonymous No.19162753]

>>19162703
I had a dead rat in my back yard and it sat there for several days before it decomposed from the weather. No scavenger came. Not even flies.

[Anonymous No.19162763]

>>19162753
Okay, and? A urban house is not even remotely comparable to wilderness. You write like a bot dude

[Anonymous No.19162886]

>>19162763
>urban
I live in the suburbs next to a nature preserve.

[Anonymous No.19162906]

>>19162173
>arguing for a romanticized anthropomorphized point of view of nature
>at least take the gnosticpill
Are you retarded, for real? Gnostics literally thought the world to be evil and a torture chamber non-stop

[Anonymous No.19162917]

>>19162906
you faggots don't know the first thing I'm arguing about. go back.

>le gnostics thought nature was a non-stop torture chamber
no they didn't you fucking schlemiel, they thought nature was a mixture of two ontologically distinct substances, manichaean and valentinian both wrote poems to the beauty of the natural world.

[Anonymous No.19162943]

>>19162917
Read about manicheanism. The material world is not a product of the realm of light but the combat between it and darkness. All of creation is in a constant combat.
This is the point. Not to mention other gnostic sects which were more radical and fit what I said about the world’s being a torture chamber

[Anonymous No.19163054]

>>19162052
>say you can't name 1 example
>you don't name 1 example and just cry instead
Shocking.

>>19162069
Every animal in that webm is a consequence of great violence enabling some person to make a dumb video by thoroughly outcompeting and conquering huge swathes of nature for a 'controlled' environment to make their compilation. The very pack instincts that render dogs suitable to help socialize big cats alongside only exist as a consequence of the evolutionary drives and pressure resultant of said violence. Every animal in that video exists in that moment because thousands more were killed.

[Anonymous No.19163062]

>>19163054
>very animal in that video exists in that moment because thousands more were killed.
and they exist because MILLIONS lived and helped one another.

[Anonymous No.19163066]

>>19163062
helped one another kill billions you mean
all cooperation and harmony is equilibrium of violence

[Anonymous No.19163069]

>>19163054
The funny thing is that anon feels the need to refute you (if not the ability) precisely because of the human drive to conflict.

[Anonymous No.19163092]

>>19163066
>be peace loving faggot who lives an entitled existence purely because of the violence of his forefathers
>can't understand cause and effect, assume this is some universal rule
Checks out.

[Anonymous No.19163095]

>>19163062
>helped one another
Holy shit these people are insane

[Anonymous No.19163105]

>>19163095
You're Nick Land nihilists faggot but the idea of violence as opposed to harmony doesn't hold up to scrutiny. At any given moment in nature there isn't a bloodbath but just various creatures minding their own business.

[Anonymous No.19163130]

>>19162069
>look mom, I ripped these creatures away from their families and natural habitats, raised and reconditioned them since an early age with safety and resources bought at the expense of staggering amounts of other creatures and people, in enclosures kept clear and safe because mounted gunmen patrol them, here I let the animals grow according to standards and techniques gleaned by countless experiments by men before me doing the same that involved many 'learning experiences' where both they and the animals in question were maimed or killed, here I keep the animals fully fed at all times with food and flesh stolen from other members of nature, and can you believe it after a lifetime of conditioning and a full belly at all moments carefully maintained in this bubble of mine, the animals don't rip out one another's eyes! This totally artificial bubble which I made that itself involves the massacre and maintained control of entire worlds where not a moment of hunger or danger is felt PROVES unquestionably that animals in nature only want to help one another

[Anonymous No.19163131]

I remember Schopenhauer said that to survive a predator has to become the living grave of hundreds of sentient beings. And if we imagine the history of life on Earth from a high vantage point we will end up with a vision of endless bodies lying dead towards an endless horizon covering every inch of Earth's surface, in whatever direction the eyes can see. Al-Ma'arri told us to walk gently on Earth because very dust is of decomposed bodies who were once sentient. More than 100 billion people have lived and died on this planet yet nothing can satisfy the hunger of blood thirsty mother nature, the wretched whore.

[Anonymous No.19163140]

>>19163105
Minding their own business = being driven by their own instincts to survive and affirm themselves regardless of what it entails. Remember there is no good and evil for animals, they don’t live by any moral standard

>nick land nihilist
No idea how you could get it out of what I’been posting here. I don’t reject life and nature, but I’m not a biased weakling who ignores its reality (that violence is present and spread all the time)

[Anonymous No.19163161]

>>19162017
>>>somewhere miles away the coffee guy's therapist and soon to be ex wife are laughing too
kek

[Anonymous No.19163186]

>>19163140
Your projecting.

[Anonymous No.19163507]

>>19162069
>Nature is a cold, brutal system of relentless violence and domination
>N-n-no it isn't!!!! Here's wholesome videos of DOMESTICATED animals!! Domesticated by HUMANS!!!

inb4
>B-b-but HUMANS ARE PART OF NATURE TOO!!!
That's not the semantics we were using, don't shift goalposts, faggot

[Anonymous No.19163593]

>>19162177
Based

[Anonymous No.19163608]

>>19163140
So hiding from violence is violence?
See >>19162105

[Anonymous No.19163697]

>>19162105
>The argument is that nature seeks blood.
No it isn't the argument is that nature is a smorgasbord of slaughter, domination and blood, it doesn't have to "seek" anything

[Anonymous No.19163720]

>>19162105
>>19163608
That is not the point. It is not each individual organism that is driven by a blood-lust but the whole natural scheme that perpetuates itself as this chain of blood

[Anonymous No.19163737]

>>19163720
It doesn't though.

[Anonymous No.19164982]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNBE19R4lTE

I bet every single oversocialized, deracinated city dweller ITT would faint if they had to butcher their own food

It's very easy to believe in a world of peaceful cohabitation when you live in a coddling, sanitized environment that purposefully pushes every trace of violence and vulgarity out of your peripheral vision

[Anonymous No.19164987]

>>19164982
It took you 4 hours to come up with this? You must be a city slicker yourself.

[Anonymous No.19165027]

Cringe thread

[Anonymous No.19165161]

>>19159026
cringe, i'm not against the glorification and deification of war but even for nietzsche and the like, philosophy was the act of highest will to power.

[Anonymous No.19165203]

>>19163608
nietzsche who believed who postulated a similiar view would say that it's still a power seeking act, he called moralities that defended the gregarious tendencies,pacifism and equality will to power, it's just the means the small and weak have to resist and thrive.

[Anonymous No.19165209]

>>19165203
sorry i rewrote the post and still left the begining of the original post.

[Anonymous No.19165230]

>>19163131
I hate nature and I hate life. There's nothing good about existence. Our very senses are made the delude us in the earliest years of our life, so that we perpetuate ourselves and bring more meat to the slaughter. Every living creature is a gladiator sent to his death in a perpetual arena.

[Anonymous No.19165234]

>>19163131
I hate nature and I hate life. There's nothing good about existence. Our very senses are made to delude us in the earliest years of our life, so that we perpetuate ourselves and bring more meat to the slaughter. Every living creature is a gladiator sent to his death in a perpetual arena.

[Anonymous No.19165277]

>>19164987
not an argument

[Anonymous No.19165293]

>>19158601
>It is sometimes asked whether it is not possible to slow down the tempo somewhat, to put a check on the movement. No, comrades, it is not possible! The tempo must not be reduced! On the contrary, we must increase it as much as is within our powers and possibilities. This is dictated to us by our obligations to the workers and peasants of the USSR. This is dictated to us by our obligations to the working class of the whole world.

>To slacken the tempo would mean falling behind. And those who fall behind get beaten. But we do not want to be beaten. No, we refuse to be beaten! One feature of the history of old Russia was the continual beatings she suffered because of her backwardness. She was beaten by the Mongol khans. She was beaten by the Turkish beys. She was beaten by the Swedish feudal lords. She was beaten by the Polish and Lithuanian gentry. She was beaten by the British and French capitalists. She was beaten by the Japanese barons. All beat her because of her backwardness, military backwardness, cultural backwardness, political backwardness, industrial backwardness, agricultural backwardness. They beat her because to do so was profitable and could be done with impunity. Do you remember the words of the prerevolutionary poet: "You are poor and abundant, mighty and impotent, Mother Russia." Those gentlemen were quite familiar with the verses of the old poet. They beat her, saying: "You are abundant; so one can enrich oneself at your expense. They beat her, saying: "You are poor and impotent '" so you can be beaten and plundered with impunity. Such is the law of the exploiters-to beat the backward and the weak. It is the jungle law of capitalism. You are backward, you are weak-therefore you are wrong; hence, you can be beaten and enslaved. You are mighty-therefore you are right; hence, we must be wary of you. That is why we must no longer lag behind.

>In the past we had no fatherland, nor could we have one. But now that we have overthrown capitalism and power is in our hands, in the hands of the people, we have a fatherland, and we will defend its independence. Do you want our socialist fatherland to be beaten and to lose its independence? If you do not want this you must put an end to its backwardness in the shortest possible time and develop genuine Bolshevik tempo in building up its socialist system of economy. There is no other way. That is why Lenin said on the eve of the October Revolution: "Either perish, or overtake and outstrip the advanced capitalist countries.

>We are fifty or a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or we shall be crushed.

[Anonymous No.19165364]

>>19165203
>nietzsche
Stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.19166165]

>>19162017
>recline inside
>tremendous machinery of invention, including those of law and custom, spans from faraway cities to here, where the hum of it is soft as this bed.
>get up and drain pasta
>part kitchen window curtains and see a huge hawk-moth hovering about the snapdragons
>note to self: it's time to nuke the aphids again.
>sit, and resume shitposting.
>I wonder which of the usual feral cats battled in the woods last night
>their shrieks came almost faintly as a dreamed poltergeist through the window slit.
>they'll be back, and trolled with scents wafting from stoves.
>a second wave of geese will probably drop by in the wake of the next cold front
>we'll never live to see the end of it
>>19162733
Certainly land gives a more harmonious impression than mid-ocean, since the bottom of that food chain is almost entirely microscopic, and there are hardly any vegetarians big enough to see with the naked eye, and even those are brainless as plants. Of course Descartes was pretty close to the truth in judging things like rabbits & deer to be as mindless as clockwork toys, though I can't imagine what, if anything, de Maistre thought along those lines.

[Anonymous No.19166465]

The universe by default is a hostile place since its inception, due to how the laws of nature work. At the fundamental level, the simplest of atoms where conceived by opposing powers.

[Anonymous No.19166491]

>>19158601
>Are there any books that combat the prevailing infantile view of nature and show nature how it really is i.e. red in tooth and claw?
the entire science of biology, especially evolutionary biology, the topic has so many books you can read that its essentially pointless to give specific recs.

[Anonymous No.19166771]

>>19158601
Blood Meridian