/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19208351]

Any books that expose cucktianity for the demonic fear mongering guilt tripping cult that it is?
Also why are so many christcuck threads that aren't even related to literature being spammed on here

[v_v !!+e0M0fBMYzt No.19208377]

>>19208351
christianity isn't really unique t b h. you'd need a critique of religion in general. i don't think there is one though

[Anonymous No.19208411]

>>19208351
>Also why are so many christcuck threads that aren't even related to literature being spammed on here
they're either 60 year olds who came here after 2016 who still think weed is evil or they're underage idiots who only larp as christians because they don't have the guts to say they just want women to be banned from the workplace in real life, so they use "based and trad" catholicism as a proxy

[Anonymous No.19208413]

>>19208377

Lucretius?

[Anonymous No.19208535]

>>19208351
read the bible, start with ecclesiastes

[Anonymous No.19208557]

>>19208351
>any books to help me win arguments on 4chan?
>any books that support my latest zinger toward christoids?
>any books I can read that support the opinions I already have?

[Anonymous No.19208565]

>>19208557
>literally 90% of /lit/ threads

[Anonymous No.19208566]

>read a collection of stories pillaged and plagiarized from better cultures and edited to be about the jews and their foreskin gobbler
>start with hardcore jewish nihilism meant to make goyim suicidally depressed
shiggy diggy dooon’t doo that

[Anonymous No.19208573]

>>19208351
Literal resentment slave morality.

>haha look at how I profane your God! Take that Christcucks!

[Anonymous No.19208579]

>>19208573
>implying christfaggotry isn't Slave Morality: The Religion

[Anonymous No.19208587]

>>19208573
your god is literally a jewish mythical creature who demands foreskins, and a schizophrenic who self identified as the king of the jews.
this is both profane and the overt truth.
your religious text also has overt passages about the necessity to enslave oneself to these.
when will you either commit suicide or come to your senses?

[Anonymous No.19208596]

>>19208587
>

[Anonymous No.19208604]

>>19208573
>>19208596
Seethe
Jesus Christ is a demon, you are a demon worshiper

[Anonymous No.19208608]

>>19208604
Worship these digits.

[Anonymous No.19208609]

>>19208351
Caesar's Messiah

[Anonymous No.19208617]

>>19208596
you propagate the image of ugliness in the world, a reflection of your soul

[Anonymous No.19208626]

>>19208411
>larp as christians
I genuinely don't understand what this means. Most anons are probably baptized and confirmed Christians. And it's not like the entry requirements are very hard for most denominations.

[Anonymous No.19208630]

>>19208626
Christianity is the new meme counterculture for election tourists
There is no sincerity there. Any true christian would steer clear from this place, and their behavior makes it obvious they're larpers only in it for the aesthetics and epic trad values

[Anonymous No.19208982]

>>19208608
Fail

[Anonymous No.19209009]

>>19208630
>Any true christian would steer clear from this place
Why?

[Anonymous No.19209031]

>>19209009
>"bro I'm a Christian but I'm hanging out in this absolute degenerate shithole that any priest would strongly disapprove of because uuuuhhh..."
Mental gymnastics are required to reconcile any serious religion with posting on 4chan

[Anonymous No.19209036]

>>19208579
>implying christfaggotry isn't Slave Morality: The Religion
who conquered the entire world? was it the hindus? the muslims?

[Anonymous No.19209050]

>>19209036
The steppeCHADS

[Anonymous No.19209060]

>>19208579
>God wants the best for his worshippers
>tell them to cut the part of the dick that causes infections, and subsequently, gangrene
>when everyone stops being a fucking monkey in the desert, God sends his Son to tell everyone they better wash themselves instead of cutting off their dick, unless matthew 5:30
When was he obsessed with dicks again?
When fucking Saul (the enemy of the most beloved king of israel) was obsessed with them?
When Moses almost ended up killing his only son because he didnt prevent the infection by cutting the foreskin?
When abram said everyone that if they dont cut off the foreskin, they'd die because of infections?
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.19209061]

>>19208351
Christianity lives rent-free in your mind because you know it’s true

[Anonymous No.19209064]

>>19209036
The Romans, using Christianity to subjugate the conquered populations.
Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.19209089]

>>19209061
Actually it was forced on me from birth and I’m still confused as to why people would devote themselves to something so blatantly incoherent and horrible.
Christ explicitly says he comes to bring division, turning brother against brother, children against parents, etc., and yet trad larpers holding onto christianity as some sort of center of western morality, instead of recognizing it as clearly subversive and the source of western decay is something else.

[Anonymous No.19209118]

>>19208351
I’ve got something that exposes paganoids

> wow how could you believe in a God like YAHWEH that’s wrathful and jealous?
> But aren’t your Gods know for being petty, jealous, cruel, lustful and rapey in your mythology?
> No that’s different. They’re not ‘the One.’
> Then why do you worship them?
> because they’re all different manifestations of ‘the One’
> But why would ‘the One’ manifest into many petty, lustful, jealous, rapey Gods?
> oh shit

Paganoids and their silly attempt at monotheism destroyed.

Also I’m a deist, not an Abrahamic, but I naturally hate paganaoids more like any true monotheist would.

[Anonymous No.19209122]

>>19209089
>Christ explicitly says he comes to bring division, turning brother against brother, children against parents, etc.,
This is a side-effect of any teaching that brings truth. Some people will not follow the truth, others will hold fast to the truth. The result is division. People are forced to choose between family and God, friends and God, country and God. This is what Jesus is saying. He is not saying that division is the end-goal. Similarly, one cannot serve wealth and God at the same time. Clearly you have also ignored the parts where Jesus emphasizes loving your neighbor as yourself, the value of charity, and so on. The other epistles of the New Testament have much to say on marital relations, relations between members of the family and relations between members of the church.

[Anonymous No.19209127]

>>19209064
Romans only conquered other pagans

[Anonymous No.19209143]

>>19209036
This is literally considered the greatest pagan victory against Christians.

[Anonymous No.19209148]

>>19208579
Why was pedo Zeus so obsessed with raping? Are Zeus and Muhammad the same people?

[Anonymous No.19209158]

>>19209061
Yeah bro I know that a Jew zombie wants me to eat his flesh every Sunday, makes complete sense

[Anonymous No.19209167]

>>19209031
>literally what a missionary would do

[Anonymous No.19209168]

>>19209118
You're literally the first person to mention paganism ITT
A literal dead religion lives rent free in your head

[Anonymous No.19209169]

>>19208604
The negative image of demons comes from semites. Indo-Europeans considered demons a good thing and even worshipped them so it’s quite the opposite.

[Anonymous No.19209171]

>>19208579
>>19208587
>>19208604
This is worse than reddit.

[Anonymous No.19209175]

>>19209167
You're not a missionary. You're a pasty aimless young man who larps as a tradcath on the internet

[Anonymous No.19209178]

>>19209168
Paganoids will never be monotheists despite how badly you want to be. Monotheism is the true way and the religions that come nearest to it will always be better.

[Anonymous No.19209181]

>>19208351
Just read The Grand Inquisitor. Against History, Against Leviathan is also very critical of the fear mongering aspect of Christianity.
I really fucking hate this trad cath fad. I used to defend Christianity against nu atheism ten years ago, but trad caths are way worse. Really wished all you would get martyred asap

[Anonymous No.19209189]

>>19208411
>underages
>caring about the workplace

[Anonymous No.19209192]

>>19209178
But I'm neither a pagan nor a monotheist lmao

[Anonymous No.19209193]

>>19208351
No Christianity is the only religion in the world that come closet to being a perfect religion (its only imperfection was the trinity)

t. Atheist

[Anonymous No.19209206]

>>19208630
4chan is in fact the most Christian social media site on the internet because it is the least conducive to pride, the deadliest sin, having no cult of personal identity attached to an account. It also does not have enforced progressivism which is obviously opposed to Christianity nor enforced far right ideologies which are as well.

[Anonymous No.19209214]

>>19208351

Why do you have against Jesus? I can tell you that only the most vile of the vile can hate Jesus. Not even the anti-Christian Nazis or Voltaire went so far as to hate Jesus.

> After reading Baron D’Holback’s ‘Christianity unmasked’ in 1767 Voltaire wrote in the margins of his own copy that the “morality of Jesus was not perverse” and reproached Holbach “exaggerating the evils of Christianity.” In Voltaire theists profession of faith (1768), he extolled Christ as a moral icon: “We never talk about Jesus, whom we call the Christ with derision, with contempt,”

> In an SS memorandum of 28 June 1937 Himmler decreed: "In ideological training I forbid every attack against Christ as a person, since such attacks or insults are unworthy of us.”

[Anonymous No.19209222]

>>19209214
Personally, I got nothing against Jesus. He was a great teacher and may have done some real cool shit when he was alive. His followers are fine for the most part, the Church is an institution that feeds off their fears, and trad caths are a reactionary larp group that believes returning to a backwards religion will save them from trannies.

[Anonymous No.19209223]

>>19209175
>you are not a missionary
True. I dont wanna be one. Discussing with niggers about cathechism is tedious and tiresome.
>You're a pasty aimless young man
>pasty
My grandma is from tajikistan. I cannot be pasty.
>aimless
My only goal is studying, because i follow the teachings of Confucius, that said:
>I have spent whole
days without eating, whole nights without
sleeping, in order to think. It was useless –
not like study
>young man
Well, you finally got something right! Rejoice!
>who larps as a tradcath on the internet
?? Jew worshippers can suck my dick, either if they love or hate the Confucius jewish ripoff.
You seem to be projecting.
Go suck a dick. You need to. After all, that's was jeshua worshippers really hate.

[Anonymous No.19209224]

>>19208351
We’re in the midst of a /lit/ civil war between Tradcaths and Nietzscheans. Everyone must take a side.

[Anonymous No.19209226]

>>19208351
More like cruciFICTION an I right

[Anonymous No.19209227]

>>19209193
And its blatant idolatry

[Anonymous No.19209251]

>>19209224
I'll take whichever side Nero is on

[Anonymous No.19209253]

>>19209214
Jesus in the NT comes off as an asshole more than once.

[Anonymous No.19209262]

>>19209224
Reading Nietzsche unironically puts me in a borderline manic state.

[Anonymous No.19209286]

>>19209060
Why did god create foreskin if he wants it cut off? Does the bible explain why he made something so 'defective'?

[Anonymous No.19209342]

>>19209122
>This is a side-effect of any teaching that brings truth.
No, it’s an intentional strategy to sow division among the subjugated classes.

[Anonymous No.19209344]

>>19209286
Why don’t you read the bible? It’s nothing about it being defective. It was a covenant. Meant to be a visible sign and reminder on the body for all generations that they made an agreement.

[Anonymous No.19209345]

>>19209127
>past tense

[Anonymous No.19209349]

>>19209224
I’ll take the Nietzscheans, but Nietzscheans are only less-wrong; not “right”.

[Anonymous No.19209354]

>>19209344
A pact with a demon.

[Anonymous No.19209357]

>>19209349
>;

[Anonymous No.19209394]

>>19209060
He couldn't have just included a wee bit about hygiene and antibiotics in his divinely written tablets?

[Anonymous No.19209399]

>>19209354
Indo-Europeans usually saw demons positively in their religion.

Your expressing Judaic beliefs in religion by expressing negative beliefs about demons.

[Anonymous No.19209400]

>>19209171
reddit doesn't have a monopoly on grown adults refusing to take fairy tales as documented reality

[Anonymous No.19209407]

>>19209394
>he couldnt just make a tutorial for those who disobeyed him?
No.

[Anonymous No.19209422]

>>19209400
regardless, why do you care

[Anonymous No.19209477]

>>19209344
The post I replied to said they cut it to prevent infection, but why would god make an infection prone part and order it sliced off? Can you explain this or not? Why didn't he get it right the first time if he were all powerful? Why inflict this on his followers.
>>19209354
Yes that's the logical conclusion but I'm curious what the devotees have to say

[Anonymous No.19209504]

>>19209089
> born christian
> turned atheist
Sounds to me like you turned against your parents bro

[Anonymous No.19209510]

>>19209342
Some shitty attempt at division when it started working 2000yrs after the idea took hold wew

[Anonymous No.19209533]

>>19209031
>>19209175
This particular strain of underhanded moral perfectionism spawned by the West is the main reason it is dying, compared to the strength of something like Shia and Deobandi Islam
As it turns out skinny violent asocial youths can proselytize no problem. Your faggot critique doesn't create a more moral, or even less hypocritical society, it causes reddit metastasis and a collective suicide in the name of hedonism

[Anonymous No.19209539]

>>19209533
Who cares

[Anonymous No.19209544]

>>19208351
I'm convinced all the off-topic christposting is a half baked psy op by some bored glowie.

[Anonymous No.19209552]

>>19209539
I care

[Anonymous No.19209554]

>>19209544
And the FBI agents wants to promote Christianity because...?

[Anonymous No.19209556]

>>19209533
>This particular strain of underhanded moral perfectionism spawned by the West is the main reason it is dying
I agree, christer moralfagging only leads to "atheist" moralfagging

[Anonymous No.19209562]

>>19209556
Well sure, considering western atheism is an inherently protestant cultural manifestation

[Anonymous No.19209566]

>>19209554
Same reason for supporting the Taliban

[Anonymous No.19209581]

>>19209394
>hygeine
He did bro. The laws about what is not okay to eat are more about hygeine and keeping god's people healthy, and less about morality.
>antibiotics
Didn't exist yet. Germ theory also didn't exist yet.

[Anonymous No.19209594]

>>19209544
I find it surprising you guys can't see the obvious appeal of the religion and see it as shills or larping. Even if you're an atheist the psychological reasons Christianity is comforting are very obvious

[Anonymous No.19209601]

>>19209554
It seems more about discrediting christianity.

[Anonymous No.19209605]

>>19209556
And by moral perfectionism I meant the phenomenon where atheists and less-radical christians hold christians to a saintly moral standard while denying the very value of that standard; but doing the best you can is overtly better than taking that criticism to heart and apostasizing, which has happened on a societal scale and improved nothing.
The once-a-week and once-a-year christians were better than these cynical cunts

[Anonymous No.19209615]

>>19209601
Seeing the same r/atheism content from ten years ago being spammed is not exactly flattering for the other side either, anon
I recently saw somebody unironically post that "CHRISTIAN DARK AGES" tech progression pic which even reddit has refuted by now

[Anonymous No.19209629]

>>19209566
Glowniggers like Richard Spencer are constantly shilling for paganism, though.

[Anonymous No.19209637]

>>19209594
Guy you replied to here, I am Christian. But the 15
>THE BIBLE IS THE ONLY BOOK U SHOULD EVER READ AND ANYTHING ELSE IS (((DEMONIC)))
threads posted here a day are neither comforting, productive, or an effective means of proselytizing. I'd bet money that its literally just one (1) mentally ill /r/athiesm freak, who has deluded himself into thinking he can destroy christendom by falseflagging on an Alaskan flyfishing forum.

[Anonymous No.19209641]

>>19209629
Pagan neonazi stuff and muslom extremism are much more obvious options to entrap autists. What even is the Christian equivalent? It's not like Serpahim Rose guys are advocating violence

[Anonymous No.19209643]

>>19209641
Crusader "memes"

[Anonymous No.19209719]

>>19209594
Yeah I see why it appeals on a nietzschean level, an alienation level, therapeutic level, etc. But also it attracts infamous shills since time immemorial
>>19209605
All moral preening is worthy of ridicule. Deeds are greater than babble.
>>19209629
>>19209641
What about that Heimbach fellow?

[Anonymous No.19209728]

>>19209719
>Deeds are greater than babble.
t. chan poster

[Anonymous No.19209734]

>>19208579
Have you never seen slaves fight among each other for scraps?

[Anonymous No.19209749]

>>19209422
Because they siphon tax money towards enforcing their bullshit "morality" laws and funding their retarded holy wars.
>>19209407
>creating man with something that needs to be cut off in order to "obey"
what a retarded deity

[Anonymous No.19209756]

>>19209728
Where's the lie? Call people demons all you want it doesn't make you holy

[Anonymous No.19209774]

>>19209036
>who conquered the entire world?
Europeans. And we would have done it regardless of what religion we were.

[Anonymous No.19209781]

>>19209581
>He did bro
He gave half-assed instructions with no explanation other than "because I said so." He banned shit that became complete non-issues once we learned how to cook things properly
>Didn't exist yet. Germ theory also didn't exist yet.
This is well and good until we realize we are talking about someone with a divine connection. God would have known about germs and what is needed to kill the ones killing his people. At the very least, this shows that this God doesn't have humanity's best interest in mind.

[Anonymous No.19209787]

>>19209734
Does Bum Fights count?

[Anonymous No.19209792]

>>19209781
Gos is concerned with people's souls, not whether they get diseases and suffer. This world is not heaven after all

[Anonymous No.19209800]

>>19209399
On the contrary, I am merely calling it what it is.
Your god is a woefully stupid and petty lesser being. An idiot.

[Anonymous No.19209806]

>>19209792
What even is the soul? Is it synonymous with the psyche or does it also include all the information generated/manifested by that psyche's interaction with the world?

[Anonymous No.19209808]

>>19209510
Christianity is the dominant religion in the land of mutts and a decimated Europe.

[Anonymous No.19209818]

>>19209806
I think there are multiple definitions of soul and psyche so it's a bit hard to say, but in the New Testament Jesus is clearly contrasting the soul with the body, in saying the prioritize the former at the expense of the latter(eg in injury and disease).

[Anonymous No.19209834]

>>19209774
>Europeans. And we would have done it regardless of what religion we were.
No you wouldn't lol

[Anonymous No.19209840]

>>19208351
>complains about religious threads
>starts a religious thread

[Anonymous No.19209849]

>>19209818
But once your body is dead, your soul just slowly withers away into memory. It's not like there's some magical archive capturing your consciousness to take to some eternal paradise. That'd be nice, but it boggles my mind that people take it as reality rather than a comforting fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19209860]

>>19209849
Well in Christianity people do believe that, the eternal soul.

[Anonymous No.19209861]

>>19209719
Heimbach is now an "anti extremist" speaker. He's not promoting traditional Christianity by any means.

[Anonymous No.19209871]

>>19209860
Yeah, but the entire basis for that belief is "dude trust me" and falls apart when you start putting logic to it.

[Anonymous No.19209886]

>>19209871
Yes it's based on faith which is not rational or empirical. The only "proof" is the subjective experience of letting God into your heart, which convinces some people. Others dont even really experience that but they experience something or other that compels them to faith.

[Anonymous No.19209918]

>>19209800
demons aren't stupid though

[Anonymous No.19209924]

>>19209886
Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. I guess I just don't know how people remain naive to the fact that their subjective experience doesn't reflect a shared reality. We can easily be tricked by optical illusions or have our experiences warped by our current frames of mind. I don't see the purpose of accepting the delusion, at least in a vacuum. People's entire support systems and communities being tied to their participation into this shared delusion tends to muddy things a bit, so I can see why they'd stick with it even if they can't truly bring themselves to swallow it.

[Anonymous No.19209926]

>>19209808
Wrong. Post-christian materialist utopianism is the dominant religion there, thus the decline

[Anonymous No.19209942]

>>19208351
>Any books that expose cucktianity for the demonic fear mongering guilt tripping cult that it is?
No because it's the Truth.

[Anonymous No.19209944]

>>19209924
Well you can say that about anything and end up at Pyrrho. Logic even can be used to uproot and question logic. But nobody lives like that. We also dont know if our subjective experience reflects a shared reality or not, the existence of illusions does not necessarily mean all is illusion, we could have access to shared reality.

[Anonymous No.19209968]

>>19209926
It's not much different from Christian magical utopianism. I've learned that anybody offering you paradise is looking to manipulate you. We're stuck with entropy, so a utopia is impossible. Closest we can get is something like Brave New World or the Anti-Spiral from Gurren Lagaan where society just gives up on progressing and focuses on keeping everything controlled and unchanging in order to prevent us from destroying ourselves.

[Anonymous No.19209976]

>>19209924
Not him but anon, your view isn't necessarily more logical for virtue of taking subjectivity to account. The values and experiences that lead somebody to understanding the role of subjectivity to human worldviews and politics, are still fundamentally subjective.
Not accusing you of this but some people will blatantly invoke emotional arguments and in the next breath claim to be more reasonable and rational than their opponents. Like it gets to the point where somebody's entire argument is emotional and they cap it off by insulting their opponent for being an irrational emotional thinker
It's all just base emotional beliefs in these conversations but people can't let it go sadly

[Anonymous No.19209985]

>>19209349
That's because Nietzchads are just half chads Cioranchads are.

[Anonymous No.19209995]

>>19209968
>Christian magical utopianism
The fuck are you on about? Christianity teaches that the world is fallen and evil can only be managed, not eliminated.

[Anonymous No.19210001]

>>19209968
>It's not much different from Christian magical utopianism.
It arose out of a Christian purity-spiral, and it enabled even more purity-spiraling and transformed society into an infinite struggle session. This is the Anglo impulse at work
I agree with your view about enforced social stagnation but I think that religion is a necessary tool to maintain that.

[Anonymous No.19210019]

>>19209995
Whig history, humanism, and the idea of progress all arose in Christian societies with heavy Christian moralizing overtones.
Those utopian branches of Christianity all fell into apostasy and have no more adherents for this reason, it is insatiable accusatory perfectionism by deranged fallen beings. It cannot square.

[Anonymous No.19210024]

>>19210001
It was a deliberate rejection of Christian social teaching stemming from tge Enlightenment notion that man was inherintly good and rational.

[Anonymous No.19210035]

>>19210019
Whig history is freemasonic and antu-Christian, you retard.

[Anonymous No.19210045]

>>19209944
We're still able to share reality, though. Math and Science do a great job at laying the groundwork of how this universe works, at least in such a way that is common to all of us. The laws of physics are so reliable that we can chain manipulations of it together so well that we're sharing our thoughts from who knows how far away from each other. But when have prayers ever been reliable for predicting anything?
Prayer and ritual is great for changing one's own state of mind, much like taking a placebo can improve how you feel. This is great for controlling your own irrational mind to your own fine-tuned specifications, but the laws of physics will always dominate them when it comes down to it.

[Anonymous No.19210060]

>>19210001
Martin Luther and Calvin were not anglos, nor were the French philosophes, not to mention of course the role of the lox pox. You see the tendency in anglos too of course but to assign to them the entire blame is ahistorical

[Anonymous No.19210063]

>>19209995
They sell the idea of a magical paradise outside of this world that people can enter by being buds with some guy they executed a couple millennia ago.

[Anonymous No.19210064]

>>19209031
I'm a Methodist looking at converting to orthodoxy and I've been frequenting 4chan forever.
I'm not a trad cath poster cus I agree it's cringe worthy, but I've seen some excellent discussions about religion/Christianity itself, and other threads with religion mixed in. I find discussions from a historical standpoint to be my favorite.

I hardly post and strictly lurk, but yes christians come here. This isnt your super secret club for bad bois only, boy

[Anonymous No.19210066]

>>19210024
>>19210035
It's anti-christian in the sense that it is heresy, but those people were very much Christian by heritage, by self-identification and by their cultural context.
Naturally, heresy leads to apostasy, and those groups stopped giving a shit about even pretending to be Christian over time

[Anonymous No.19210067]

>>19210045
Modern liberals are constantly rewriting and devaluing math and physics to suite their agenda, and neither can provide foundations for moral truths.
The Bible alone has more fulfilled prophecies than any secular predictions

[Anonymous No.19210075]

>>19210045
Well you said it yourself, they're great for changing your own state of mind. Some people consider this just as real as the outside world in its way, the religious experience, even if entirely in our minds, portends something beyond this world, or seems to.

[Anonymous No.19210077]

>>19210063
And? How does that negate the fact that Christian social teaching is against making paradise on Earth, you disingenuous faggot?

[Anonymous No.19210089]

>>19210066
Whigs were mostly atheists who took inspiration from anti-Christian jews like Spinoza. They were at a clear break from Christian tradition.

[Anonymous No.19210095]

>>19210060
The institution of parliament which was essential in the English Reformation was characteristic of the later course of protestantism, though. In both Germany and Geneva there was even more of a blatant political interest in the rise of the reformation, but it was less intellectual and less respectable to begin with.

[Anonymous No.19210098]

>>19208411
I literally cannot understand the fucking retardation you just typed out and I sometimes deal with literal retards at work with speech impediments.

[Anonymous No.19210099]

>>19210067
>Modern liberals
Leftists. Specifically, leftists that reject the concept of objective reality.
>and neither can provide foundations for moral truths
Human values are subjective. However, evolutionary psychology can give us some insight as to why we developed certain behaviors. Memetics and genetics running in parallel and all that.
>The Bible alone has more fulfilled prophecies than any secular predictions
QED or General Relativity each easily blow the Bible out of the water in terms of predictive ability

[Anonymous No.19210120]

>>19210099
>My meme sciences will save us!
You faggots have been saying that fir 200 years and you've only made thinfs worse.

[Anonymous No.19210143]

>>19210089
Whigs were mostly low-church Protestant ministers and aristocrats. Are you talking about the American Whigs? You do realize they weren't the start of the Whig movement, right?

[Anonymous No.19210148]

>>19210099
If genetics and evolutionary psychology are so predictive then why are black people running around unchecked?

[Anonymous No.19210156]

>>19210075
Makes sense. I guess I see things a bit backwards to how Christians do in terms of the relationship with the supernatural and reality. I see things like souls, ghosts, gods, etc. as memetic concepts abstracted from our consciousness, which itself is emergent from our biology, itself is emergent from chemistry, itself is.. and so on. I see little things following simple logical rules interacting together to form complex relationships that continue to increase in complexity the more you zoom out, like a grand Rube Goldberg machine.
My point being, that without our minds to give them shape, our gods would cease to be. Maybe there is some creator that set up this universe, but it certainly wouldn't resemble anything like the Christian God that pops in every so often to give us some tips on how to not kill each other. The way I see it, we created gods/religion as a collective of ideas/memes bundled together in a copypasta template that we can easily pass from generation to generation.

[Anonymous No.19210175]

>>19210077
What does booting your faggot son from your home and treating them like scum supposed to do to create paradise on earth? How about dunking your kids in water? Chopping off their foreskin? This all about creating paradise on Earth?

[Anonymous No.19210178]

>>19210156
that is a reasonable perspective imo.

[Anonymous No.19210180]

>>19210120
You're free to give up things like the Internet, GPS, or any electricity anytime you'd like. Just keep your head in the sand and pray that Jesus will magic your lights on.

[Anonymous No.19210194]

>>19210148
You're gonna have to elaborate, anon. What about people being tribal retards is against the predictions of evolutionary psychology or genetics?

[Anonymous No.19210197]

>>19210175
I don't think you read his post very closely, he is stating the religion is *not* about creating paradise on earth

[Anonymous No.19210226]

>>19209756
>call people demons
strawman. This is in response to western 4ch atheists dismissing any presence of faith as 'LARPing' by holding up an absurd perfectionist standard

[Anonymous No.19210232]

>>19210197
You're right; my bad

>>19210077
Could you please elaborate what your point is, because I'm rather confused at what you're trying to get at.

[Anonymous No.19210240]

>>19210175
>booting your faggot son from your home
burger prot shit
>dunking your kids in water
communal initiation ritual you atomized insect
>Chopping off their foreskin
burger prot shit
>creating paradise on Earth?
that's Marx youre thinking of
the City of God exists above

[Anonymous No.19210261]

>>19210194
Science is a useful predictive tool, it is a method applicable to certain fields of human interaction with the natural world. Its actual applicability to human life is limited, and it's limited even further by scientism adherents (not necessarily scientists, I am a literal career scientist) who are not meaningfully different from the people they overthrew seeing as they inflict their wishful thinking on the rest of society at any cost. Science is something selectively coopted, and something which enables their worthless hedonism.
If science cannot guard us from blind egalitarianism then it is ultimately useless. And indeed it cannot, because there is no rationalizing the irrational whether it be metaphysical or simply socially emergent. Even a postmodernist view that discounts or subjugates those aspects, like you express here >>19210156, is inadequate.

[Anonymous No.19210268]

>>19210232
>It's not much different from Christian magical utopianism.
The point is that this is disingenuous bullshit
,pushed to pretend like modern materialist utopian shit is just some continuation of Christianity
,when in fact it is a clear break from it

[Anonymous No.19210287]

>>19210180
>You made things worse with this invention
>Well you're free to get outcompeted
evopsychs using lolbertarian justifications will never not be confusing

[Anonymous No.19210288]

>>19210240
So people just sacrifice their entire lives to some idea they can't even verify is true? Seems like a rather risky investment to me.

[Anonymous No.19210305]

>>19209749
Lmfao you're such a fucking nigger faggot, holy shit. It's a wonder why you weren't aborted in the womb

[Anonymous No.19210309]

>>19209728
Truth is a truth, no matter who said it, you dumb fucking monkey. Sadly the ways of thought that maintain that are literally impossible for anyone but Giga autist rejects to maintain for more than a minute.

[Anonymous No.19210312]

>>19210180
Imagine making this post post-Afghan-Conflict where the Taliban won

[Anonymous No.19210323]

>>19210309
I actually agree with you and I was just trolling the other guy

[Anonymous No.19210342]

>>19210309
And I try to say reject in the most literal meaning possible to me, literally eccentric weird people, or just asocials, etc.

[Anonymous No.19210348]

>>19210323
ah well.

[Anonymous No.19210352]

>>19210288
>can't even verify is true?
you've never trusted in your life?
what do you think philosophers have been bickering about the last millennia besides truth
>inb4 materialist drivel

[Anonymous No.19210353]

>>19210261
>Its actual applicability to human life is limited
Wait until you learn about some of the psychological shenanigans that go into marketing and advertisement. You've got less control over your own brain than you think.
>by scientism adherents
More like Critical Theorists
>If science cannot guard us from blind egalitarianism
You act like nature gives a rat's ass about egalitarianism in the first place. It's plainly clear that egalitarianism is a human value, rather than some fundamental property of the universe.
>there is no rationalizing the irrational whether it be metaphysical or simply socially emergent
Things being complex doesn't mean we can't take pieces of information and put them together to create predictive models.
>a postmodernist view
How is my view postmodernist?

[Anonymous No.19210363]

>>19210268
You're right. One is a magical world with infinite resources and the other is a magical world with no need for resources in the first place, both of which need some dogma to be followed in order to reach. Very different.

[Anonymous No.19210376]

>>19210363
His point was that they were different and had a divergence, which they clearly do.

[Anonymous No.19210379]

>>19210305
I don't know, but clearly God put me here to rustle your jimmies :^)

[Anonymous No.19210406]

>>19210352
>you've never trusted in your life?
I learned from my mistakes.
>what do you think philosophers have been bickering about the last millennia besides truth
They've provided great tools to sus out obvious bullshit.
>inb4 materialist drivel
Why don't I just follow a paradise ideology that lets me have a good time on earth, doesn't require I cut off a piece of my cock, and lets me into heaven with infinite beer and hookers anyways?

[Anonymous No.19210468]

>>19210353
>You've got less control over your own brain than you think.
I've spent my entire life battling my inherited addictive personality. I am quite self-aware. As a simple reductive example, I have always correctly predicted my result on those meme IDT cognitive bias tests
> You act like nature gives a rat's ass about egalitarianism in the first place. It's plainly clear that egalitarianism is a human value, rather than some fundamental property of the universe.
Science is likewise a human institution and it is limited as a result. There are certain subjects for which science will never be able to create predictive models, because they are entirely defined by human value judgements.
> Things being complex doesn't mean we can't take pieces of information and put them together to create predictive models.
The more complex and emergent, the less useful and predictive models tend to be. The reproducibility crisis is old news by now and it recapitulates the whole issue.
> How is my view postmodernist?
You describe a socially- and materially-emergent view of spiritual values and knowledge, which is an essentially postmodernist understanding, and my invocation of "postmodernism" was specific to this part of your post.

[Anonymous No.19210484]

>>19210363
They are actually very different in their consequences, which is why Christian religious practice is embodied in asceticism while materialist ambitions are embodied in excess. Most superficially, the latter is unsustainable and doomed to fail which is a criticism that should be comprehensible to anybody

[Anonymous No.19210570]

>>19210406
>Why don't I just
>describes hedonism
do you think you're smart for realizing hedonism is an option?
Who the fuck is stopping you from being a hedonist in 2021?
>have a good time
this is why you start with the greeks
you have no idea what 'good' even means

[Anonymous No.19210780]

>>19208351
The bible already does this itself about Judaism, just read Chronicles and Kings and you will see kings and queens claiming to worship God and then clearly being devilworshipping tyrants. Christianity is no different, but evil only proves that we need salvation more.

[Anonymous No.19210826]

>>19210570
>don't do thing
Why not?
>it's badthingname and is not an option
Why not?

[Anonymous No.19210838]

>>19210484
You can have a materialist view and still understand the concept of moderation.

[Anonymous No.19210867]

>>19210838
The masses can't

[Anonymous No.19210886]

>>19210867
Sounds like a maladaptive behavior that would bring oneself misfortune.

[Anonymous No.19210899]

>>19210886
It's a maladaptive behaviour that will wipe them all out, which is unfortunate since this could have all been avoided

[Anonymous No.19210951]

>>19210484
>materialist ambitions are embodied in excess
You could easily be a materialist and an ascetic, knowing that the intake of excess ultimately decomposes the body, you don't need to have an imaginary world to moderate yourself

[Anonymous No.19210958]

>>19210951
In practice, you clearly do.
Otherwise hippie communes would be vibrant communities and atheist societies would have sustainable birthrates. But that is not the case.

[Anonymous No.19211038]

>>19208351
Humanity are vicious sheeple, if you find out something to keep humanity in line while being less murderous and opressive than christianity, I'm in

[Anonymous No.19211355]

>>19210899
The way I see it, memetics are just as subject to natural selection as genetics.

[Anonymous No.19211422]

>>19209834
you're a dysgenic mulatto who thinks he can participate in European greatness by being a chr*stian
europe could have been Hindu or Islamic and you'd still be speaking an Indo-European language

[Anonymous No.19211569]

>>19211422
>chr*stian
Lmao. Who censors the word Christian? What are you, a jew?

[Anonymous No.19211775]

>>19210826
who are you quoting?
what part of
>Who the fuck is stopping you
did you not understand
hedonism has always been an option
it's likely the option you already live
>Why don't I just believe be let into heaven with infinite beer and hookers anyways?
this is called choosing to lie to yourself
you do not actually believe this in your heart and you never could

[Anonymous No.19211829]

>>19209206
kek

[Anonymous No.19211833]

>>19208411
This