/lit/ - Literature

[Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ No.1934398]

"today a hit song is more readily forgiven for not observing the 32 beats or the compass of the ninth than for containing even the most clandestine melodic or harmonic detail which does not conform to the idiom. Whenever Orson Welles offends against the tricks of the trade, he is forgiven because his departures from the norm are regarded as calculated mutations which serve all the more strongly to confirm the validity of the system" -Adorno&Horkheimer

Has the "style" of literary postmodernism, if it can be referred to in such a concrete sense, served to reaffirm a capitalistic system of literary production in which a text is interpreted and wholly consumed, making way for the consumption of further texts, or has literary postmodernism planted the seeds for a radical overthrowing of such a system? It would seem to me that, contrary to theory, texts are wholly consumed by the typical reader in a thoroughly capitalistc mode just as they were 100 years ago. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.1934402]

This is an interesting thread, but I'm not going to answer it in a serious manner, Deep&Edgy. I know you're only purpose by posting it is to troll.

[Anonymous No.1934411]

>>1934402
>this is an interesting thread
No, it isn't.

[JamesBond !!JAU/DZkp95n No.1934413]

>compromising quality/rigour for pleasure

Gay.

[Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ No.1934420]

>>1934411
>questions concerning the possibility of ideology critique
>not interesting

You got your PhD after 1968 right

[sandwiches No.1934426]

> Adorno&Horkheimer

It's actually Kruder & Dorfmeister, you made a mistake.

[JamesBond !!JAU/DZkp95n No.1934437]

>>1934426
err.. no?

http://www.mariabuszek.com/kcai/PoMoSeminar/Readings/AdornoHork.pdf

[sandwiches No.1934446]

>>1934437
> Kruder & Dorfmeister, named after members Peter Kruder and Richard Dorfmeister, is an Austrian duo most known for their downtempo-dub remixes of pop, hip-hop and drum and bass songs.

Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.1934448]

Are you suggesting that the act of reading a whole novel and wanting a story to be wrapped up is somehow inherently capitalistic?

[Anonymous No.1934452]

Forgive me, for I am a huge Orson Welles

[Anonymous No.1934454]

>after 1968

sums up the state of the postmodern project fixated with a golden year high point. pomo's just the current formalism now

[Anonymous No.1934482]

>post-modernism
>calculated mutation
Nope. Most of it it's just drivel and lack of talent, presented as 2deep4u.

[Anonymous No.1934503]

>>1934448

pretty much. lrn2dialectic of enlightenment

wanting things to cohere to a narrative, to wrap up nicely, to have 'meaning' etc. is what underpins the bourgeois mind, the system of capital, and ultimately leads to fascism

[Anonymous No.1934508]

this thread is bad and you should feel bad

[Anonymous No.1934511]

>>1934503
you are devoid of meaning to me; you must belong to a primitive agrarian society of some sort. my best guess is that you are a redneck.

[Anonymous No.1934513]

This thread is bad and you should feel bad

[Anonymous No.1934517]

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934523]

>people complaining about this thread even though it's /lit/ related

the fuck?

[Anonymous No.1934529]

>>1934523
Having fun fondling D&E's balls, shitbear?

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934532]

>>1934529
>>1934529

where in that post did i make any reference to D&E?

[Anonymous No.1934534]

>>1934511
>you must belong to a primitive agrarian society of some sort.

AKA the Frankfurt school

[The Master !oKVZQzhloE No.1934543]

>>1934534

>howaboutislapyourshit.jpg

[Anonymous No.1934554]

>>1934523
Any thread by D&E is a troll. Maybe it wasn't at the beginnings, in an ancient and fabled time, but it is now.

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934559]

>>1934554
>>1934554

but really, how is this thread 'trolling'?
i understand that many people won't understand what the thread is about (probably because they read for pleasure, not for academic study or to analyse it on any deeper level) but surely that doesn't make something a troll?

and why it is a troll thread because D&E made it, what if this thread was posted by Anonymous? would it be a troll thread then?

real serious answers please, genuinely curious

[Anonymous No.1934561]

>>1934559
It's a troll thread because d&e posted it. Whether the subject is prone to trolling or not is irrelevant. Since d&e is a troll, all he intends to do in this thread is trolling. Also you're a faggot for sucking his cock.

Pic related, what you do with d&e and your so-called deep academists

[Anonymous No.1934563]

>>1934543
Honestly, I thought cultural Marxism had been largely discredited in the real world....

...Meanwhile back in /lit/ the dialectic of enlightenment is being discussed along with the promulgation of cultural Marxist anachronisms.

[sage No.1934564]

quick, somebody post the pics of BB with his face up D&E's ass

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934572]

>>1934561
>>1934561

so because you are unable to take your eyes away from the namefield and assess the post for what it is it's a 'troll post'?

seems like it doesn't matter what the content is then, it's just that you're so bias towards the name someone uses that you can't even begin to wipe away the salty range tears from your eyes so you can actually read the post.

if you think everything he says is a 'troll' why don't you just filter him?

>Also you're a faggot for sucking his cock.

sorry, where in this thread have i sucked up to D&E? i've been talking about this thread on a pretty much objective basis.

I'll ask you AGAIN

if Anonymous posted this thread, would it be a 'troll thread'?

[Anonymous No.1934573]

>>1934572
>puppy defends his master
>awwww ain't that cute

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934579]

>>1934573
>>1934573

i'm not defending anyone, i'm just trying to get my head round the fact that some people are unable to read posts and instead just focus on the namefield.

it's like saying that someone you don't like has never said anything EVER of worth, just because you don't like them

[Anonymous No.1934585]

>>1934579
both incidentally happen to be true, ain't it sad?

[Anonymous No.1934590]

>>1934579
>>1934579
Either way, this thread is now well and truly derailed. What I don't understand is why you guys use trips in the first place. It just means you can't have any decent discussion, because it always devolves into this shit; not saying this time it was your fault, just that there is an easy solution.

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934598]

>>1934590
>>1934590

i use trips because i think it's easier to get a real discussion going in a thread when each poster is easily identified, it also gets a kinda sense of community going, i can spot people who read the same books as me, reference other discussions we've had and talk about how they link in to the new discussion etc

i don't understand why you guys don't use trips, it's an easy solution to this whole Anonymous vs Tripfags bullshit that ruins every single thread a tripfag makes ever.

[Anonymous No.1934601]

>>1934598
but you don't actually read as far as anyone can tell. you just self-fellate in a little fantasy world.

[Anonymous No.1934603]

>>1934598
>sense of community
>anonymous imageboard

[Anonymous No.1934607]

>>1934601
>little fantasy world
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT? FANTASY IS FOR BRAINDEAD RETARDED PEOPLE WITH INFERIOR TASTES, PIC RELATED

[Anonymous No.1934608]

>>1934601
>implying any regular /lit/ user actually reads books

[sage No.1934610]

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934611]

>>1934603
>>1934603

is this an Anonymous imageboard?
last time i checked it's just an imageboard where you're given the option to be Anonymous.

would you prefer if i used the word communitas? Are you denying that there isn't a community on here? that /lit/ isn't, in itself, a community?

>>1934601
>>1934601

i'm currently reading Infinite Jest, my last read was The Ebony Tower by John Fowles (also read Invention of Morel the other day but that's just 100 pages) and i think im going to read Farenheit 451 tommorrow, also got The Wasp Factory lined up for a nice read this week too.

Also today i saw a nice offer which was 3 books for £5, they're wordsworth classic editions so the typeface is quite small and it's a little cramped, but they had a good selection and i prefer reading large books in paper form than on my kindle, gives me a better sense of how far i have left and how much i've done.

gonna pick up War and Peace, Moby Dick and one other, not sure which one yet, maybe some Sherlock Holmes stories.

[Anonymous No.1934615]

>>1934598
You use trips because you're an insecure and callow dilettante. You want recognition for all your sad and useless contribution here, because you've not yet aspired to any greater heights that would actually merit authorship disclosure.

You're a bus driver that introduces himself to all the new fares at each stop. You're a joke, serving up a large platter of mediocre food and waiting for the grunts of approval.

[Anonymous No.1934619]

>>1934615
Hey guy, this is an internet forum about books.
Get over yourself and talk about books.

[Anonymous No.1934622]

wading through the unnecessary quotation, sophistry and arbitratry juxtaposition of unrelated concepts, I can say that this is one of the most idiotic posts I have seen in a long time.

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934624]

>>1934615
>>1934615

but that's not why i use trips at all!

[Anonymous No.1934626]

>a capitalistic system of literary production

What is this? What does it mean to wholly consume a text?

[sage No.1934628]

[Anonymous No.1934631]

>>1934626

see>>1934622

[Anonymous No.1934638]

I think that there is a certain type of person that reads literature as a means to boost his ego, to show how cultured and intelligent he is. We have all met this type of pretentious wanker. Whether justified or not I think the main reason for the animosity on /lit/ is that we assume this would be just the sort of person who would elect to choose a name on an anonymous message board.

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934649]

>>1934638
>>1934638

anoynmous imageboard?
you keep saying that, it's wrong.
it isn't an anonymous imageboard, i'm using a name right now!

[Anonymous No.1934651]

>>1934631

The style of postmodernism usually calls for the technical simplification of art.

[Anonymous No.1934659]

>>1934638
Boom. Headshot.

[Anonymous No.1934662]

Sorry, BB, u still a faggot. U post anon in a faggot board dey still call u faggot. But u can take it. Coz u da faggot we deserve, not that we need faggotry. U a watchful protector. U dark knight. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.1934663]

The counter-tripfag trolling displayed in this thread is a lot more satisfying than it should be.

You reap what you sow, faggots.

[Anonymous No.1934667]

I don't really see the dividing line between postmodernism and the global capitalist system. I've always closely associated the two, both equally despicable. I don't know you mean by the planting of seeds etc. I'd say it's true only in so far as the capitalist system itself has planted the means for its disassemblement; clearly any transition above and beyond the status quo necessitates a departure from the inept postmodern mode of thought.

[Brownbear !Wfn4kkpLag!!fEGZw8wphGR No.1934669]

>>1934663
>>1934663

>having a discussion with a name & trip
>OMG U SO TROLOLOLOLLOLOLOL

stop it.


>you reap what you sow faggots

do you reap off-topic shitposts that do not address any points made in this thread by someone who is obviously more intelligent than you then?