Italian Fascism

[Anonymous No.19345115]

What are the essentials for understanding this mad lad and Italian Fascism in general?
In addition to his own books, which of his predecessors should I have a firm grasp of and what's the best secondary literature to read?

[Anonymous No.19345118]

Fuck off Fascist

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19345131]

Marxism thread?
Marxism thread.

[Anonymous No.19345179]

Marx is based

[Anonymous No.19345295]

>>19345118
>>19345179
You guys are really scared of anyone who even wants to understand Fascism on it's own terms.
Studying something doesn't imply that you agree with it.
Maybe I want to understand the intellectual foundations of Fascism so I can better push back against it?
I'd expect that the
>>19345131
For as long as I've been posting on here I have never seen you contribute anything of value to this board.

[Anonymous No.19345370]

Not at all theoretical but for an impassioned and emotional call for it, For my Legionnaires. It is without doubt the most emotive book I have read,

[Anonymous No.19345484]

>>19345370
Thanks, but I'm more interested on the metaphysical and epistemological underpinnings of Fascist thought.

[Anonymous No.19345531]

>>19345115
>what's the best secondary literature to read
The Birth of Fascist Ideology - Zeev Sternhell
Mussolini’s Intellectuals - A. James Gregor

[Anonymous No.19345555]

>>19345131
>>19345179
jokes on you, understanding the failure of Marxism and the subsequent explosion of the Marxist revisionist crisis is a good thing to know for understanding fascism

[Anonymous No.19345586]

>>19345484
You might want to start with a brief overview of Roger W. Holme's 'The Idealism of Giovanni Gentile' is a great introductory work.

[Anonymous No.19345595]

>>19345484
Roger W. Holme's 'The Idealism of Giovanni Gentile' for an introductory work.

[Anonymous No.19345745]

>>19345555
Quads of truth

[Anonymous No.19345764]

>>19345595
>>19345586
Thanks. This looks to be precisely what I'm looking for.

[Anonymous No.19346837]

it makes me sad fascism was barely around long enough to make a huge cultural impact (aside from the reactionary stuff that attacks it obviously) I would love to see some fascist fiction

[Anonymous No.19346854]

>>19345115
De Felice is a good secondary source, and Farrell's biography of Mussolini is apparently pretty good. A. James Gregor also wrote about Gentile for his thesis iirc. For primary sources, Mussolini and Gentile obviously, De Felice has many others listed in his book so check there. As for influences, can't go wrong with Nietzsche, Sorel, Marinetti and D'Annunzio.

[Anonymous No.19346857]

>>19346837
Lots of the modernist writers were fascists

[Anonymous No.19346864]

>>19346837
There's plenty of fascist modernist fiction and art
Like >>19346857 said

[Anonymous No.19346867]

>>19346857
>>19346864
Examples? Other than maybe Ezra Pound.

[Anonymous No.19346869]

>>19346864
all i know is knut hamsun, and ezra pound, and celine to an extent. I would certainly love to learn of more

[Anonymous No.19346870]

>>19346867
>artist was fascist therefore his work is fascist
Hate this retarded pseud meme

[Anonymous No.19346874]

>>19346867
Not restricting myself to modernists, but: Ezra Pound, William Butler Yeats, Knut Hamsun, Louis-Ferdinand Celine, Gottfried Benn, Wyndham Lewis, George Bernard Shaw, Pierre Drieu La Rochelle, Lucien Rebatet, Alphonse de Chateaubriant, Henry Williamson, Gertrude Stein, Salvador Dali, the list goes on.

[Anonymous No.19346877]

>>19346870
>Death of the artist

[Anonymous No.19346886]

>>19346874
I'm not sure Gottfried Benn belongs on that list

[Anonymous No.19346891]

>>19346886
Why not

[Anonymous No.19346902]

>>19346891
he got cold feet pretty fast

[Anonymous No.19347869]

>>19345115
>>19345484
I would advise you to read Evola's Fascism Viewed From the Right and maybe his essay on Gentile. The whole philosophical framework of "fascist idealism" was basically grafted onto the movement, it doesn't have anywhere near the same relationship as that of Marxism and communism.

[Anonymous No.19348035]

>>19345115
Fascism is overrated. Take the Conservative Anarchist pill.

[Anonymous No.19348065]

>>19348035
Isn't Junger a better suggestion here then?

[Anonymous No.19348085]

>>19345118
>>19345179
>>19345370
>>19345179
>>19345131
Learn OP:

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https://mega.nz/folder/TUkH3A7B#1DM4f5vwh6O6m3yrK_SQAQ

[Anonymous No.19348089]

>>19348065
I don't find Junger to be a great thinker, cool writer though.

[Anonymous No.19348098]

>>19345131
By all means, talk about marxism. The best way to expose a weak, poorly thought ideology is to examine it.

[Anonymous No.19348602]

>>19345484
Start with the Reform of Education. Then Theory of Mind as Pure Act. Then learn Italian and Read his System of Logic.

It should be obvious how his philosophy leads to Fascism— even though today he is interpreted as a liberal because the difference between Liberalism and Fascism to academics is atrocities committed per annum.

[Anonymous No.19348644]

>>19347869
>maybe his essay on Gentile.
Which one?
>"fascist idealism" was basically grafted onto the movement
I don't know about that, Gentile's work was popular among Revolutionary Syndicalists.

[Anonymous No.19348809]

>>19348602
>today he is interpreted as a liberal
How so? Seems like pretty blatant revisionism.

[Anonymous No.19348897]

>>19348809
With a philosophy as subjective as Gentile's it can be used to justify just about anything.

[Anonymous No.19349055]

For get about:
M.E. Moss
A. James Gregor, and
Roger W. Holmes.

The only worthy expositor of Gentile in the English language is H. S. Harris (yeah, the guy who wrote the 2000 page Hegel-book).

My reading list for the angloid would be something like:
1. Start with the "Introduction" to Thought Thinking, edited by Bruce Haddock and James Wakefield
2. Move onto Harris introduction to Genesis and Structure of Society
3a. If you have the philosophical chops for it jump straight into The Theory Of Mind As Pure Act
3b. If not start reading The Social Philosophy of Giovanni Gentile, by H. S. Harris.
4. While reading 3b, start reading some of Gentile's shorter texts from Thought Thinking
I: Start with "The Method of Immanence"
II: Then "The Moral Problem"
III: "Pure Experience and Historical Reality"
IV: and last "Basic Concepts of Actualism"
5. Move onto the main text of Genesis and structure of society. This is Gentile's most important work
6. Then revisit The Theory Of Mind As Pure Act with 4.IV in mind

[Anonymous No.19349068]

>>19349055
>H. S. Harris
$90 for the hardcover. That's gonna be a yikarino from me dawg.

[Anonymous No.19349080]

>>19349068
Go to a library ... What third world country are you from?

I should add to >>19349055 that if you only want to, or have time to read one book, then read
>Genesis and Structure of Society, by Gentile.
Harris's introduction will get you through it.

[Anonymous No.19349145]

The excessive focus on Gentile is dangerous because some people may not subscribe to his particular idealist framework. I am a fascist and while I like Gentile, I do not see him as synonymous with fascism.

>>19345370
This is a great introduction.

>Codreanu’s most effective propaganda in these years was to be work, action, and the example. Hundreds of voluntary labor camps of the Legion, then called the TPT Party, dotted the map of Romania, repairing village bridges, roads, and churches, building dams, digging wells and working “for the collective and national solidarity.” In these camps, the boyar son worked side by side with the son of the laborer and the peasant, creating a powerful feeling of national unity and renovation. If the new intellectuals who graduated (or failed to graduate) in increasing numbers from the universities and joined the ranks of the Legion were strongly anti-Semitic because of the Jewish middle classes blocking their way, the lower classes came to the Legion because they hoped to fulfill their desires for a social justice on a national rather than a Russian Bolshevik platform.

>As the Legion increased in importance, it had to take a certain number of stands on practical issues of the day despite its acute revulsion to dealing with the problems of the sordid twentieth-century industrial age. These stands and attitudes were taken on an ad hoc basis when the Legion had to face them, and the result was a curious mixture of their ideology and more realistic considerations. Although it concentrated its activities in the villages, the Legion formed the Corps of Legionary Workers in 1936 and in addition to the dozens of labor camps, Codreanu ordered the Legion to enter a very new field for Romanians, commerce. He wanted to prove that not only Jews could be successful in this area. "In less than a year, the Battalion of Legionary Commerce founded a chain of Legionary restaurants, groceries, and repair shops covering Bucharest and the provincial towns. The income from these establishments financed vacations for underprivileged children and provided funds for the movement.” Besides the commercial establishments, there was a Legionary welfare organization, and steps were taken to organize Legionary cooperatives. At the opening of the Legionary sanatorium in Predeal, different payment rates were established. Everybody was to pay according to his conscience; the poor were not to pay at all.

If you are interested in the social and socialist side of fascism, I recommend Zeev Sternhell (The Birth of Fascist Ideology, Neither Right nor Left), and A. James Gregor (The Ideology of Fascism). Also read these (in order, there are 4 total):
https://counter-currents.com/tag/breaking-the-bondage-of-interest/

If you're more interested in the metaphysical aspects, then Codreanu is a great place to start though. Also Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera. Payne has good books on him.

[Anonymous No.19349226]

>>19349145
>I am a fascist and while I like Gentile, I do not see him as synonymous with fascism.
That's because you're gay.

Iron Guard is Iron Guard. Italian Fascism is Italian Fascism. The former doesn't have any intellectual justification.

[Anonymous No.19349239]

>>19345131
Jimmy Dore thread?

[Anonymous No.19349331]

>>19345295
little arrow next to post ID > filter selected text, make an entry for « Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » and put auto and hide on, your browsing experience will increase immensely without facetious midwit take on every thread. Besides that I will bump your thread out of interest.

[Anonymous No.19349344]

>>19349226
99% of the people who call themselves fascists clearly do not intend "fanatical reader of Giovanni Gentile" by it. If you want to call all of your allies or potential allies faggots, go ahead. I'll keep talking to the other 99%.

[Anonymous No.19349494]

>>19349344
>I'll keep talking to the other 99%.
Quality>quantity

[Anonymous No.19349499]

>>19349080
Canada. (pray for me)

[Anonymous No.19349613]

>>19345115
Anthony James Gregor, Gentile’s translator into english, has written good books on him (Philosopher of Fascism and Mussolini’s Intellectuals) and fascism in general (Totalitarianism & Political Religion and Interpretations of Fascism). I also recommend his “The search for neofascism” which critiques a lot of the research on generic fascism.

Gentile is influenced by both Hegel and Marx, but it is sort of a meme to say “you have to have read all of Hegel and Marx to understand Gentile”, but knowing a bit doesn’t hurt.

The israeli historisn Ze’ev Sternhell gives an intellectual history of fascist ideology from France around the Dreyfus Affair to Italy.

[Anonymous No.19349639]

>>19349613
Forgot to add, the Sternhell book to get is “The Birth of Fascist Ideology”.

[Anonymous No.19349789]

I personally want to read and understand Hegel first, then read Marx, the syndicalists, Gentile etc. I've been toying with some of my own ideas as of late, and I want to integrate them with a proper philosophical framework. We have elections where I live, and it has dawned on me how meaningless the choices are, since they're pretty much all the same from my pov. I want to write something, and it might become my life's work if I stick to it. Or it might just stay as anonymous musings on a mongolian basket-weaving forum.

[Anonymous No.19349813]

>>19346874
Bernard Shaw? I thought he was a socialist.

[Anonymous No.19349818]

>>19346874
>Gertrude Stein
A fascist Jew? Now, that's interesting.

[Anonymous No.19349835]

>>19348085
Damn all those Hitler snapshots look so wholesome

[Anonymous No.19350097]

>>19348644
>Which one?
You can read both "On the 'New Humanism'" and "The Case of Giovanni Gentile"

[Anonymous No.19350636]

>>19349789
You only need to read up on Marx’s repasting of Ricardo and Smith more then his philosophical system to get Gentile. It’s such a shame that all this theory is currently untranslated.

[Anonymous No.19350843]

>>19346837
Fascism had an enormous impact in modern politicis and specifically the role of the state in it. Its just that it happened in spite of its defeat in military terms and happened inside the liberal republics that defeated it.

[Anonymous No.19351385]

>>19345370
>>19347869
>>19348602
>>19349055
>>19349145
>>19349613
I'm looking for something like the "ur" text or thinker of Fascism. With Marxism, we can point to Capital, but it seems like Fascism was (is) more of a diffuse and decentralised tradition without a central thinker from whom the whole movement derives. And it seems like the further you look into it, the more diffuse it becomes.
What I want is to learn about Fascism from the horse's mouth. All I've learned about it so far has been from the victors of world war two. Instead of hearing my biased liberal history professors interpretations of a movement, I would rather hear what the intellectual architects of that movement have to say about it themselves.
Gentile seemed to be what I was looking for in an Ur-thinker of Fascism similar to Marx, however, it's becoming clear that his brand of Fascism is just that and that there are other competing Fascisms to consider.
All-in-all, the picture I'm getting is that Fascism is a movement more bound together by family resemblance than strict adherence to an explicit doctrine.

[Anonymous No.19351555]

>>19351385
Sorel

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19351669]

>>19349239
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>>19349331
It’s a meme.

[Anonymous No.19351978]

>>19351555
Could you explain more?

[Anonymous No.19352209]

>>19346874
>Salvador Dali

[Anonymous No.19352217]

>>19351555
>After a long silence during the war, Sorel came out in favour of Lenin and moved towards Bolshevist positions until his death in 1922.

[Anonymous No.19352378]

>>19352217
So? Fascism and Bolshevism are the same