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19453458 No.19453458 [Reply] [Original]

Is modern Buddhism basically a form of control?
Any other literature decisively destroying the doctrines of Buddhism?
I read Fr. Seraphim Rose and like it.

Also are there any books which explain that Hindu yoga is just a perverted form of Christianity which St. Thomas brought into India?

>> No.19453473

ok

>> No.19453480

>>19453458
I've already been in this discussion but in short, Buddhism isn't a control practice per se, but it happens to be so far detached from Western reality that it can be stripped of all spiritual elements into a few pseudo-spiritual elements that are aimed to fulfill the modern person-drone's existential void. The average Westerner barely has any understanding of Buddhist thought. Expanding on this, it is especially women who hold an extremely flawed view of Buddhism as a pseudo-stoic philosophy with no supernatural elements (my sample is college-educated women who think Samsara is not an essential Buddhist element and Nirvana just means some brain expando epiphany where you enjoy life as it is). As much as I do not want to protect Buddhism, this problem is about as detached from Buddhism as Santa's consumerist, Amazon-delivered Christmas is detached from Christianity.

>> No.19453487

>>19453458
All Eastern so-called religions are made to worship the state/-whosoever-has-power and crush the individual, psychologically (gaslighting him into thinking that he doesn't exist) and physically (forcing a vegetarian low T diet unto him). Hence why they are so esteemed by the NWO.

>> No.19453495

>>19453480
About pseudo-spirituality: the modern corporate globohomo establishment is well aware that human beings have an inherent need for spirituality, and cannot function well long-term in a spiritually void environment. This is why they try to push the most harmless form of ritual exercises, like "mindfulness". Remember that it is stupid to obliterate when controlling something, giving it a harmless outlet is much more productive. This is the same with sex and porn, really, because porn is harmless (to the establishment). If lonely men had no outlet for their frustrated sexuality, things would happen. Give them porn and they are kept in this sedated state. You can see this pattern of redirection with just about every element of human psychology and social needs. I've come to this conclusion by observing my cat: cats are highly individualistic and cannot be trained via conditioning like dogs. You cannot tell a cat to stop scratching the couch. So what you do is give the cat a scratchpost so the cat scratches that instead of your couch. The corporate globohomo is doing exactly that with every unfulfilled need. Scratchposts. Harmless, disposable, inconspicuous scratchposts.

>> No.19453505

>>19453487
>crush the individual, psychologically (gaslighting him into thinking that he doesn't exist) and physically (forcing a vegetarian low T diet unto him)
Christianity also did that historically, injecting your fat fuck seethe about vegetarians just makes you look pathetic. This is not the problem with Buddhism you ignorant mongoloid, it was never adopted as a state religion in China, it's persecuted as much as any other religion. You are just mad about discipline but discipline and avoidance of earthly pleasures is a thought that goes against the wants of the establishment. So shut the fuck up you uneducated American animal.

>> No.19453520

>>19453505
*communist China, I mean, where subservience to the state is paramount. Every institutionalized religion had to work in tandem with secular authority.

>> No.19453521

>>19453505
>Christianity also did that historically,
False

>> No.19453525

>>19453505
>muh vegetarianism
Low T detected. Also the irony of you accusing my sober post of seething while actually seething and exhaling progesterone from every pore was duly noted.

>> No.19453528

>>19453521
Romans use to call Christianity a feminine religion for slaves and women.

>> No.19453536

>>19453528
Where is the Roman empire today?

>> No.19453537

>>19453525
>Low T detected.
You're a pencil necked chinlet mongoloid.
>>19453521
Christianity did not call for the mortification of the self? Are you high? You know how much fasting in involved in Christianity?

>> No.19453544

>>19453536
>Where is the Roman empire today?
In the same place as MUH HIGH T BACON DIET fat fuck America

>> No.19453545

>>19453537
>Christianity did not call for the mortification of the self?
That refers to sin not to our identity or individuality.
>You know how much fasting in involved in Christianity?
Some churches have particular days of fasting where the believer should abstain from certain foods, but there is no total prohibition on eating those foods.

>> No.19453548

>>19453505
Christianity historically affirmed the individual, and the individual's personal relationship with (a personal, mind you) God. Whereas Greco-Roman paganism only heroes could aspire to be recognized by the gods, and Eastern religion promoted the subsumption of the individual under the state or an impersonal Brahman or Nirvana.

>> No.19453558

>>19453537
>more impotent basedrage
Heh

>> No.19453576

>>19453544
Is this the power of the Romans?

>> No.19453588

>>19453545
>>19453548
I am talking about early Christians. Everything about Christianity was about humility and submission before God. You're crazy if you think that Christians were allowed to be "individualistic" when a core tenet of Christianity has been charity, and loving one's neighbor as yourself.
In any case I don't want to lose focus here, the comparison with Buddhism is retarded. The fat burger retard here >>19453558 would say the same thing about Christianity had Amazon used the wording "prayer box" instead of "meditation box" or whatever the fuck. He's an insincere underage retard who is pointlessly making an argument against Buddhism specifically, when he's actually making an argument against any form of religiosity or spirituality. He's a nihilist with nothing to say, and cares about nothing including being right about where the blame is. What I am saying is that Buddhism doesn't matter per se, what really matters to the establishment is the destruction of native traditional values, namely Christianity. Buddhism is simply adopted because much of it is lost in translation, it is poorly adoptable because Buddhist institutions are rare, and so on. What matters to the establishment is keeping people away from structured forms of spirituality which may become a thread to the prosumer lifestyle.

>> No.19453590

Any book about MKUltra would do.

>> No.19453596

>>19453590
It's not that deep. It's literally "stick to anything but your own tradition"

>> No.19453603

>>19453588
>Everything about Christianity was about humility and submission before God. You're crazy if you think that Christians were allowed to be "individualistic" when a core tenet of Christianity has been charity, and loving one's neighbor as yourself.
You are wrong about this and are interpreting those terms to mean things beyond what Christianity means by them.

>> No.19453632

>>19453588
>You're crazy if you think that Christians were allowed to be "individualistic"
Not individualism as we modern Westerns understand it, but individuality is affirmed ontologically via the doctrine of the soul and theologically via salvation and personhood theology.
>What I am saying is that Buddhism doesn't matter per se, what really matters to the establishment is the destruction of native traditional values
Good point. The goal of globalism is to destroy native cultures. A certain form of deracinated Buddhism can be promoted in Western nations, the same way evangelical mega-church Christianity is promoted in Asian cultures.

>> No.19453640

>>19453480
>>19453487
>>19453495
Good posts but I disagree with the conspiratorial flavor of these ideas. The "establishment" doesn't do things like notice trends and push ideas with any sort of centralized foresight and planning. It's natural to personify market forces and elite intentions and needs for the sake of brevity but you go too far when, in comparing mindfulness to a scratching post, you implicitly compare "the globohomo" to "a cat owner." It's much more distributed and emergent than that. I wouldn't discourage less intelligent people from opposing the simplified caricature of globo gayplex because it leads to accurate enough conclusions as far as I'm concerned, but I think the point merits attention here.

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>>19453632
>Westerns
Westerners*

>> No.19453648

>seething atheist immediately has to divert a Buddhist discussion into insulting Christians
it's pathetic at this point

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>>19453458
Buddhism is "don't forget you are in Samsara forever"
To push this pitiful existence is the best way for the top castes to rule


You may not know but the system of castes was never abolished, nowadays there exist "hidden castes", the upper ones decide who gets to rise in the system.

>THE THREE GOVERNING CLASSES
They build and know about the system.

>high caste/brahmin
The ones who take decisions in society, the swiss, the world bank goons, the UN goons, the IMF goons, bankers, intelligence behind government, elite freemasons

>upper political castes
The ones who rule under the Brahmin: political dynasties (Bush, Clintons, Castros, Kim, Fujiwara, Rothschild...), Royal families, corporate dynasties, social media and news corporations were risen to this point

>warrior castes
Most nobles fit here, some of them managed to rebel against the upper rule countries for a while such as Napoleonic Era. Intelligence operatives can be found here.

>THE THREE IGNORANT CASTES
They don't know about the system.

>Industrialist Caste
The higher castes assign individuals to work on it, being prestigious. Usually represent mid sized business and industries, these business are de facto administered by the big corporations, decisions of the top companies affect them directly and they always pay the price for recession

>Servants
(You), wagie

>Dalita/pariahs
The ones designed to live in subhuman conditions, often used in wars or as test subjects for new drugs

>> No.19453666

>>19453640
>The "establishment" doesn't do things like notice trends and push ideas with any sort of centralized foresight and planning.
The elites don't notice trends, they create them. They own all the media and propaganda outlets. This is a fact and not conspiratorial.

>> No.19453672

>>19453666
>666
Satan here knows what's going on guys

>> No.19453736
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>>19453487
Sounds like Christianity meets the eastern definition. Need to bring back druidism!

>> No.19453737

>>19453666
Well, yes and no. There really are people creating trends, and there really are people in charge of individual media outlets, but it's not like the CEOs of the big 7 get together with the presidents of all the colleges and with the state department in a big room and come up with narratives together. Most news stories aren't even centrally directed from within a media outlet. It just happens naturally that the narratives that come out of mainstream news and colleges and official propaganda come to roughly agree. For one, they're all serving the same class of people who share a large set of shared interests, and the same system that nurtures all of them. Journalists are educated in the colleges. And they all reinforce each other because citing each other as sources bolsters their apparent credibility. The globohomo memeplex itself is more of a single living entity than any group of its proponents comprise.

>> No.19453751

>>19453536
Christianity is declining just like roman empire.

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You'd seethe less if you started with the jeets. The fact that your alternative is to follow the orders of a volcano demon promising you immortality speaks volumes about how little you understand what a "form of control" is

>> No.19453769

>>19453751
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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>>19453458
I too wish there was a book on this. There’s a lot that could be said. Many people try to mix in pagan eastern doctrines with Christianity, not realizing that they are diametrically opposed in many ways, especially with Buddhism. Buddhism is the perfect control mechanism because of how close in many respects it is to the sort of reductionistic materialism that is the guiding ideology of our modern societies. The man and woman of Buddhism are not an integral unity of body, soul and spirit created in the image and likeness of the Holy Trinity, but rather an impermanent bundle of aggregates (skhandas) none of which have any sort of self-nature / essence in themselves. This is identical with modern materialism, as much as Buddhists would wish to deny it. This sort of idea is perfect for control. If you tell people they have no self, that the world is just suffering and the solution is to just meditate it away until you kill your ego and artificially numb yourself, they will be the perfect worker drones for Amazon and other corporations. Christianity on the other hand recognizes the value of persons that they are created in the divine image, that they are more than just atomized individuals, and that they deserve dignity and love. Buddhism is all about numbing that infinite thirst for God that humanity has at its core. This is what Duhkha is fundamentally, and this is why humanity feels so alienated in this world compared to the animals.

>> No.19453793

>>19453458
wow that's like so deep and woke
who needs to read books when you can read teenager's topical blogposts on 4chan about things they're not educated on?

>> No.19453795

>>19453793
I’ve always noticed Buddhists are so passive aggressive. That’s bad karma, bhikku, you’re going to be reborn as a maggot for a few thousand kalpas now

>> No.19453799

>>19453603
>You are wrong about this
I am not wrong in any way relating to what burger anon said. There is really no fundamental difference between Buddhism or Christianity as far as the things he was concerned about went. As I said if Amazon made prayer boxes he'd have said the same things, that Christianity is a cuck religion that makes people meek, etc. My point is that Buddhism specifically does not matter per se, but it only matters in the sense that is it something other than the native values, therefore easily passed through filters, lacking in established authority over the masses, and so on.

>> No.19453805

>>19453782
>I too wish there was a book on this.
Industrial Society And Its Future is literally the only book you need.

>> No.19453806

>>19453799
No, you are most definitely wrong. If you think that "love your neighbor as yourself" means the negation of one's own identity or individuality then you have no conception of Christian teaching whatsoever.

>> No.19453810

>>19453505
Buddhism was given state patronage in China historically. It was also persecuted in China historically. Depended on the emperor more than the dynasty. In the Tang dynasty especially there was active debate between Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism. Similar situation in Japan as well.
>>19453588
That's a good point. Christianity is so low status in corporate America that so-called Buddhism is more amenable to appropriation. But of course, this Buddhism is entirely the creation people who took did a meditation "class" once or twice and found it threrapeutic. It has nothing to do with the actual religion, only for lack of a better term simulacra
>>19453665
You are in samsara, yes. How is affirming reality a problem? Is it a problem for you personally?

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>>19453782
>This is identical with modern materialism, as much as Buddhists would wish to deny it.
Materialism, atomism, etc. is expressly denied in the sutras as a false view. Read more than wikipedia before you try to understand something other than ancient capeshit theology.

>> No.19453822

>>19453806
Sounds like you didn't understand Christ's message of abandoning your ressentiment. You won't pass through the gate like that

>> No.19453830

>>19453665
The Lotus Sutra teaches all beings will eventually become Buddhas, without fail, and that the Buddha's lifespan is eternal, free from suffering, delusion, or defilement. Of the 10 realms, Buddhahood is highest, and the 9 realms preceding are the 9 causes, with Buddhahood being the 1 effect.

It's impossible for a worldview like this to subjugate a buddhist. Like Nichiren says "trading one's life for the Dharma is like trading rocks for gold". Buddhists like this do not want to mindlessly consume, nor slave away, nor will they tolerate ignorance and untruth.

Samsara as it's recognized is seen only in ignorance. Ignorance is the 9 causes. The antithesis is wisdom, which produces Buddhahood. Eternal, pure blissful, and unobstructed. Filled with power to liberate other living beings and indestructible.

This is so far beyond the 'petty kings' of the rich caste that it is inconceivable to the best of minds. Believing the rich can subjugate everybody is exactly what the petty tyrants wish people to believe, but in truth, if everybody were to see their pitiful weakness all at once, their power would be less than single plant over the rest of humans.

>> No.19453833

>>19453822
Laughable.

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>>19453795
It's not "bad karma" to expound the dharma.

>> No.19453839

>>19453810
>You are in samsara, yes. How is affirming reality a problem? Is it a problem for you personally?
I'm just a passenger in this world of sin and my goal is to be reunited with God (:

>> No.19453849

>>19453833
No what's laughable are people who read the stuff about giving away what is yours, emptying themselves to God, to what is His, and concluding that Christ wanted them to be conceited and selfish egotists. You should read Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism. Even if you are not an alcoholic sex-having buddhist adept you will learn something.

>> No.19453850

>>19453838
In fact, it's good to expound the Dharma even if people are unwilling to receive it, since in that way they gain a relationship with it and can begin building good roots towards anuttara-samyak-sambodhi

>> No.19453854

>>19453839
You want to abandon the world he created for you? Kind of rude and also irresponsible, as you are its steward.

>> No.19453858

>>19453806
Anon, you are submitting entirely to God in Christianity. Christianity always calls to humbleness and to renounce what is on Earth in order to embrace the next life in the Kingdom of Heaven. "He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal." John 12:25. As I said, while this does not equate to the complete annihilation of the self that is practiced in Buddhism, as far as what the burger tard from before was concerned about, there's no practical difference. He would have complained about Christianity just the same, and his argument is crass and poorly thought out because of a personal, emotional bias.

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>>19453850
I don't consider myself much of a proselytizer but people should not be hostile to wisdom literature because it has been disfigured by corporate interests into something vulgar. That these interests go to great lengths to mutilate it says something, I think, about its power.

>> No.19453874

>>19453868
>That these interests go to great lengths to mutilate it says something, I think, about its power.
Divide et impera, anon.

>> No.19453910

>>19453815
>AKSHUALLY
Yet Buddhism can be easily reconciled with it, as the elites are doing as we speak.

>> No.19453935

>>19453830
what you don't seem to realize is that "Mindfulness" is a perversion of Islam and used to keep us enslaved in this system

Meditate so you can work less stressed; that's what they teach. And in fact, people who adopt these kind of practice are actually more likely to be depressed and suffer for dissociation

https://harpers.org/archive/2021/04/lost-in-thought-psychological-risks-of-meditation/

>> No.19453957

>>19453935
I think you just tripped over like 15 non-sequiturs you created for yourself

>> No.19453966

>>19453769
Ghyttrt tthjjfdedc fhjkjyrechj wqhkklpohxsw esvhjkombswqvjo gooooo gaaaa ooogaaa booooogaaaa

>> No.19453978

>>19453868
>people should not be hostile to wisdom literature because it has been disfigured by corporate interests into something vulgar
Can we agree to that and discuss how we can prevent globohomo from misappropriating religion for their nefarious goals? Everyone ITT seems to agree that this is what’s going on and it’s a bad thing.

>> No.19453993

>>19453458
That St. Thomas never went into India. Even Vaticam admitted this. Just a myth.

>> No.19453995

>>19453978
Maybe lay organizations vs joining a Church or authority with "Authority"? I think it's why Protesntantism in the United States has been very strong, even if perhaps a few protestant groups died, they weren't one central authority so Prostestantism will never die. Probably also why Buddhist lay groups like Soka Gakkai are so successful, there are no actual Buddhist Masters or perceived living buddhas to answer to, nor an unbroken lineage to be adhered to, just a laity and a few priests in said laity to stay successful.

If people are more interested in supporting their relatively small religious movement, which is far stronger than their belief in a government or any other kind of worldly power, there's no way globohomo will ever break them. The genuineness of whoever believes their religion enough to start a small lay movement that gathers steam is just proof of their force of will above anybody in goverment or with globohomo agenda, who can only control people with fear to side with them.

>> No.19454015

>>19453978
To understand how to fight Globohomo, first you need to narrow it down to what it is. Well hiden "High Cabal" of Tech, MIC, Banks, Intelligence agencies, Western Plutocrats, Activists and NGOs etc... in pursuit of Global-Capitalist(for them) neofeudal project.

Best way to do it is to analyze some of it's functioning in practice and action.

Explains some leaked cabals that only got slightly exposed during regicide. The way they manipulated media shows that this practice is not contemporary to todays Mainstream Media.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/memory-jfk-first-us-president-be-labeled-terrorist-threat-national-security

The way that Covid is used as pretext to pursue normalization of neofeudalism that we will reach through inflation robbery where all will serf to corporations and state, or High Cabal power structure.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cj-hopkins-pathologized-totalitarianism-101

Also you can analyze the irrational geopolitics as a show of their influence because a lot of the time EU and US don't make decisions that are best for States or their own population but only those that benefit power structure that are actual embodiment of these institutions.

Future aint pretty for the west, and if High Cabal starts to fail and get into a situation where their own cattle will want to flay them, they will just start nuke exchange with Russia or China and go into Bunkers.

>> No.19454030

>>19453993
>Vaticam
Yeah the guys who pray in mosques and kiss korans are for sure an authority.

>> No.19454047

>>19453966
Retard the meaning of that passage is obvious as fuck to anyone with a brain, Christian or not. I'm ESL and I perfectly understand what it means.

>> No.19454071

>>19454047
Retard the meaning of that passage is obvious as fuck to anyone with a brain, qokfkgkvoeo or not. I'm ESL and I perfectly understand what it means.

>> No.19454080

>>19453910
Are you this reactive about everything? Why take them at their word? You don't think they're misrepresenting anything? You are suspicious of everything else the elite does yes?
>>19453874
To some extent. But there is no shortage of of those who want to be ruled either.
>>19453978
No easy fix other than to avoid various media and go as direct to the texts and practice as possible. If someone's presentation of the religion or its philosophy amounts to the same message as a social engineering firm that wants to herd its employees like happy cows then they are doing a very poor reading and just assimilating it to a therapeutic strategy.
>>19454015
There is no "irrational geopolitics" just the reality that the state does not exist for your benefit and its good is rarely your good. Does the wolf consult with the sheep on who to eat? The conspiratorial view is unnecessary to even articulate. You'd have to be naive to assume others have your interests in mind ahead of theirs.

>> No.19454084

>>19453458
How many times are you gonna repost the same thread you schizo

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>>19454084
he must enjoy it

>> No.19454135

>>19454080
>There is no "irrational geopolitics" just the reality that the state does not exist for your benefit and its good is rarely your good. Does the wolf consult with the sheep on who to eat? The conspiratorial view is unnecessary to even articulate. You'd have to be naive to assume others have your interests in mind ahead of theirs.
Beautiful is the Liberal Democracy that is embodiment of this.

That is correct and it is which not only goes against meme ethics, but against logic. Of course this would not be possible with conscientious and decisive populace, with everything to lose (family, identity, faith, possesions...), this is where War on Religion come with it's intent, and as you have put it to enforce State Atheism is naive, it gets replaced by harmless form of it (See liberal muslims, westernized Buddhists, Evangelicucks etc...).

For instance irrational geopolitics is presumption that ordinary American would directly benefit from High Cabal hegemonic takeover, while the opposite is true. In pursuit of global control, ordinary American lives worse and worse. There are more specific instances, but one big is these lock downs which in a sense have their own benefit to Globohomo while draining everything, even possessions and interaction ( even camps in Australia).

Either way, these are the people who are reshaping religion and spirituality to the Globohomo project.

>> No.19454167

>>19453458
Jesus: I'm the Truth
Buddha: I know how to put an end to suffering

Christianity: Use your faith to believe in our worldview.
Buddhism: Use your discernment to stop clinging to any of the five agregates

How is that you consider reflection and inquiry as control mechanisms?
By the way, mindfulness alone means nothing to Buddhism if it's not helpful to build skilfull habits that aims to stop clinging to form, perceptions, feelings, mental constructs or consciousness. Go read some suttas.

>> No.19454195

>>19454135
Just sounds like an elaborate pessimism to me. No power to change what those over you do

>> No.19454207

This thread is sure to make buddhoids seethe for a thousand million kalpas
Even if one were to count the grains of sand in the Ganges one would not be able to count the amount of buddhoid seething that even reading one paragraph of this thread can generate

>> No.19454281

>>19454195
It's actually just observation. It might seem pessimistic when you get to understand what appears to be behemoth at first. It can be describe also as conglomerate of parasitic vermin and scum. While true, it fails to properly describe other attributes. It's actually not that bad, they are doomed tofail because they are fighting on two fronts, domestic and global, and they are stagnating globally ( can't stop China rise, can't dismantle Russia, can't even regime change Venezuela) while domestically facing push back for implementation of Totalitarism, not to say economic and financial inflationary transition into neofeudalism is destroying economy and industry which will leave a lot of people hungry and angry.

Question is what will crack first and will High Cabal have decency not to trow a tantrum against the world.

>> No.19454296

>>19454167
I’d rather believe in the Truth over just some dude

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The "mindfulness" described in the image has more to do with new age boomer shit not buddhism.
A Buddhist monk isn't interested in working at an amazon warehouse

>> No.19455905

>>19455884
Buddhists aren't necessarily Buddhist monks.

>> No.19455917

>>19455905
and?

>> No.19455941

>>19455884
The image is really a bit silly and shows the OP has never worked in a corporate setting. Some years ago I was in an office with "quiet rooms" which were used for three things: non-work phone calls, naps, and daily Muslim prayers. Amazon is just branding this same idea as AmaZen because it's a clever way to misdirect worker grievances away from pay increases/better benefits and it sounds trendy. Amazon surely already had quiet spaces and most people never use them or care about them. And "Zen" means nothing to Americans at all except that something is "cool" but in a "smart" way.
>>19455905
Especially not in a western context; there's virtually no sangha in the west. Westerners still go to Asia to become monks. Buddhism has only been in transmission for the last hundred and fifty years (and quite poorly for most of that period, ending up as a form of modernism, theosophy, new age, etc. in many cases, none of which are really textually sound in light of better translation efforts).

>> No.19456371

>>19453458
Did you apply this same level of analysis to Christianity ?

>> No.19456424

>>19456371
>WHAT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY???
Every. Time.

>> No.19456444

I am so tired of the proselytizing.

>> No.19456507

>>19456424
It's fair game. OP says he likes it. No reason just his blog. Now, unlike Buddhism (or even Hinduism), all of Christian doctrine hinges upon believing in capeshit. So where is the scrutiny of that?

>> No.19456557

>>19456424
Just look at the OP, it’s a fair question particularly in the light of that last question.

How would a person like that view romans 13, 1-2 for instance