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[Anonymous No.19457049]

Is Nietzsche any worth reading?

[Anonymous No.19457056]

>>19457049

[Anonymous No.19457069]

>>19457049
Only if you are interested in transitioning

[Anonymous No.19457070]

[Anonymous No.19457081]

>>19457049
Whoever made that meme hasn't read a single page of Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, or Kant

[Anonymous No.19457094]

>>19457070
>refuted philosophers by calling them poor and ugly like a 10 yo kid
But Schopenhauer did the same to Hegel.

[Anonymous No.19457100]

>>19457070
why did Neesh haate Schope

[Anonymous No.19457115]

>>19457049

[Anonymous No.19457123]

>>19457094

[Anonymous No.19457128]

>>19457115
Explain pls

[Anonymous No.19457136]

Nietzsche never expressed hatred of Schopenhauer. He thinks he got a lot wrong, but never denied his genius or the influence Schopenhauer had on himself.

[Anonymous No.19457211]

>>19457123
But Hitler was a twentieth century totalitarian, and he was based.

[Anonymous No.19457333]

>>19457070
>>19457123
Based

[Anonymous No.19457483]

>>19457123
>looks like a wet and sleep-deprived ferret
lmao

[Anonymous No.19457579]

>>19457049
That's Nietzsche towards every philosopher though.

[Anonymous No.19457645]

>>19457049
Schopenhauer may be the most based philosophy in history. You could never refute the core of his philosophy, because he was a crude inhuman realist. And the parts that you can refute are precisely the parts in which he wrote deliberated ad-hominenms because he thought them were funny.

[Anonymous No.19457695]

>>19457100
because chadenhauer's philosophy is nihilism hes part of the problem nietzsche called when he referred to faute de mieux in regards to our will. better will(or worship) nothingness than nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.19457737]

>>19457123
Ok, you convinced me. Now tell me where to start with Schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.19457784]

is this good?

[Anonymous No.19458006]

>>19457784
Sure why not

[Anonymous No.19458014]

>>19457784
It's essential

[Anonymous No.19458027]

>>19458006
>>19458014
Damn Schopenhauer bros are very chill.
If it was nietzsche and I show them portable nietzsche they'd go full pic related
NOOO YOU CAN'T READ X TRANSLATION YOU HAVE TO READ Y

[Anonymous No.19458036]

>>19457128
>>19457128
He wept for the horse being whipped on the eyes.

[Anonymous No.19458119]

That's STILL NOT A DEPICTION OF KANT IT'S F*CKING JACOBI AAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.19458274]

Nietzsche bros.....I don't feel so good

[Anonymous No.19458516]

>>19457049
yea. hes pretty interesting. also hes extremely influential.

[Anonymous No.19458841]

>>19457049
never knew Schopenhauer loved Jacobi so much

[Anonymous No.19458898]

>>19457123
Today I will remind them:

He scheduled his lectures to coincide with those of the famous philosopher G. W. F. Hegel, whom Schopenhauer described as a "clumsy charlatan". Hegel was facing political suspicions at the time, when many progressive professors were fired, while Schopenhauer carefully mentioned in his application that he had no interest in politics. Despite their differences and the arrogant request to schedule lectures at the same time as his own, Hegel still voted to accept Schopenhauer to the university. However, only five students turned up to Schopenhauer's lectures, and he dropped out of academia. A late essay, "On University Philosophy", expressed his resentment towards the work conducted in academies.

[Anonymous No.19458925]

>>19457049
He didn't hate Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.19458959]

>>19458898
Can you (or anyone) recommend books regarding that bit about political persecutions during that time in Germany? Thanks

[Anonymous No.19458960]

Schopenhauer is possibly the most midwit philosopher of the 19th century. It's no wonder that undereducated autodidacts loved him so much for the past 2 centuries.

[Anonymous No.19458969]

>>19458959
haven't read it myself but apparently Cartwright's Schopenhauer biography goes into detail.

[Anonymous No.19458971]

>>19458898
I'll add one funny bit: Schopenhauer got a teaching position only because Hegel voted for it, even though Schopenhauer had been unnecessarily rude to him during the job interview. Basically: the only job Schopenhauer ever held was given to him by the guy he hated the most (a guy who had always been nice and supportive in his regards).
>>19458959
Pinkard's Hegel biography talks about it in depth. The biography is quite engaging, you don't need to know much about Hegel to read it, and it will give you a nice overview of the cultural life of early 19th century Germany

[Anonymous No.19458982]

>>19458971
>>19458959
Oh I meant like a history book not a biography something about the political climate during that time perhaps Napoleonic wars but the german side of things?
will definitely check out those recs on the bios once I get around reading Hegel and Schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.19458999]

>>19458960
>degen hours
>underage NEETzsche autists appear out of the woodwork spouting buzzwords

like poetry

[Anonymous No.19459065]

>>19457081
Probably true. /lit/ overall doesn't read anything except 4chan and visual novels

[Anonymous No.19459076]

>>19458999
I'm a Plato/Kant/Hegel sperg, I don't care much about Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.19459101]

when a book is titled The Essential __________
does it mean "capturing the essence of ________" or "important", "you must get this!"

[Anonymous No.19459104]

>>19458960
>>19459076
AHEM

>Those who have cited his influence include philosophers such as Friedrich Nietzsche[26] and Ludwig Wittgenstein,[27] scientists such as Erwin Schrödinger and Albert Einstein,[28] psychoanalysts such as Sigmund Freud[29] and Carl Jung, writers such as Leo Tolstoy,[30] Herman Melville,[31] Thomas Mann, Hermann Hesse,[32] Machado de Assis,[33] Jorge Luis Borges, Marcel Proust,[34] and Samuel Beckett[35] as well as composers such as Richard Wagner,[34] Johannes Brahms,[34] Arnold Schoenberg[34][36] and Gustav Mahler.[34]

>Influenced
Anjos, Assis, Bahnsen, Beckett, Bergson, Borges, Brahms, Brouwer, Campbell, Einstein[9], Fet, Cioran, Dilthey[10], Freud, Gray[11], Hardy, Hartmann, Hesse, Horkheimer, Huysmans, Jung, Reve, Kraus[12], Ludovici[13], Ligotti, Mahler, Mainländer, Majorana[14], Mann, Maupassant, Michelstaedter, Nietzsche, Proust, Rank, Reve, Rilke, Ryle[15], Santayana, Schlick[16], Shaw, Schoenberg, Schrödinger, Solovyov, Spengler, Tolstoy[17], Vaihinge,r Volkelt, Wagner, Weininger, Wittgenstein, Zapffe, Zola.

[Anonymous No.19459135]

>>19459101
i want to know this too whether >>19457784 is enough or it cannot replace the original 2 volume work

[Anonymous No.19459140]

>>19459104
I'm sure that if I were to post an infinite list (mostly comprised of non-philosophers, like yours) of people who were influenced by Hegel to justify the goodness of his works, you would have called me an idiot.
Anyway, the only names that have some philosophical relevance in that list are, imho, Bergson, Horkheimer (who wasnt a Schopenhaurian and who used very little of his philosophy in his works), Dilthey (same as Horkheimer), Nietzsche (who rejected Schopenhauer's philosophy), and Wittgenstein (who was essentially an autodidact pseud when it came to the history of philosophy).

[Anonymous No.19459151]

>>19459140
Cope harder retard

[Anonymous No.19459191]

>>19459151
Sorry for having hurt your feelings, my teenaged friend

[Anonymous No.19459235]

>>19459191
Wow we have a Mr. Grown Up here in his big boy pants who only reads philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19459255]

>>19457123
>eurocentric elitist
based

[Anonymous No.19459368]

>>19458036
Wait, that sounds exactly like the scene from Crime and Punishment.

[Anonymous No.19459377]

>>19457737
Don't read anything secondary, you will just waste your time. You could start with On the fourfold root..., but I don't think that's needed (even if he constantly says to read other books), so just get right into The World as Will and Representation and you'll get his whole philosophy. It's not that hard and the other works are mostly just building on it or not related to his philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19459378]

>>19459368
yeah he started using the word idiot too after reading dostoevsky's the idiot

-nietzsche by kaufman ch12 note 2

[Anonymous No.19459431]

>>19457094
Yes but he was right

[Anonymous No.19459447]

>>19457049
Yes if you're a angsty teen or an art hoe

[Anonymous No.19459526]

>>19457070
>praised Jews
>influenced the foundation of Israel

>funded paramilitary right-wing groups to kill commies
>monarchy fan

So both are cringe?

[Anonymous No.19459611]

>>19459378
Hahahaha really? The word idiot has a sympathetic essence to me ever since I read that book.

[Anonymous No.19459648]

>>19459611
Yeah Nietzsche was definitely a goofball who took himself way way too seriously.

I don't know if it was Kaufman's doing but in GM III, Nietzsche quotes "nothing is true, everything is permitted". kaufman thinks that this is somewhat related to Ivan Karamazov's philosophy "god is dead, everything is permitted" but it actually is just from the hashashins. quote being more famous now because of Assassin's creed but back then no one would've gotten the reference unless the translator is also versed in that part of history.

[Anonymous No.19459656]

>>19457049
>>19457056
>>19457070
>>19457115
>>19457123
they're all ass
shit thread

[Anonymous No.19459667]

>>19459526
says the libtard

[Anonymous No.19459715]

>>19458898
I'm a Schoppy fan but Hegel ultra mogged Schoppy and did exactly what Schoppy tell everyone to do with his enemies (show superiority of spirit)

[Anonymous No.19459893]

>>19457049
>pic
okay, pseud

[Anonymous No.19459903]

Nietzsche memes are the worst.

[Anonymous No.19460624]

itt: thinly veiled religious schizoposting

[Anonymous No.19460698]

>>19458027
Hell yeah dude. Happy Thanksgiving.

[Anonymous No.19461279]

>>19459656
Who hurt you sweaty?

[Anonymous No.19461619]

>>19459903
Boomer Nietzsche memes were better

[Anonymous No.19461667]

>>19461619
i want one

[Anonymous No.19462155]

>>19461619
I bet it tastes bitter

[Anonymous No.19462495]

>>19457070
>big Ego
This applies to Schopenhauer too and he even said big ego is necessary for genius.
>loved aryan religion, hated semite garbage
So why did he adore Catholicism?
>funded paramilitary
It was actually just regular military but alright.

[Anonymous No.19462623]

>>19457081
That's not Kant, it's F. H. Jacobi.

[Anonymous No.19462653]

>>19458898

[Anonymous No.19462657]

>>19457049
>Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi
>Schopenhauer's teacher

lol wut

[Anonymous No.19462671]

ouch

[Anonymous No.19462677]

>>19462671
who reads her novels nowadays?
ouch

[Anonymous No.19462694]

>>19458119
>>19458841
>>19462623
doesn't matter, both gay

[Anonymous No.19462729]

>>19462677
Your mom reads Sartre

[Anonymous No.19463348]

>>19462671
No wonder he hated women.

[Anonymous No.19463361]

>>19462694
Why couldnt anyone see he was just trying to come out of the closets? why did people try to find subtext that wasnt there?

[Anonymous No.19463408]

>>19462671
>>19463348

Reminder:
>Johanna was an abusive wife to his father and an abusive mother to him. She even threw Schopenhauer down a flight of stairs once when he talked back to her. Also, Schopenhauer’s father (whom he was very close with) was believed to have committed suicide when Schopenhauer was seventeen and it has always been a rumor that Johanna Schopenhauer was a contributing factor to his suicide. After her wife died, Johana left for Weimar to join the free love movement and follow her dreams of becoming a writer, leaving Schopenhauer behind. And when Schopenhauer later wanted to move to Weimar to pursue philosophy, she desperately tried to convince him not to move to Weimar, saying she couldn’t stand to be around him.

[Anonymous No.19463410]

>>19462155
lel

[Anonymous No.19463426]

>>19463408

[Anonymous No.19463629]

>>19457049
NO

[Anonymous No.19464449]

[Anonymous No.19464476]

>>19459104
>Brahms

[Anonymous No.19465172]

>>19459104
I read Schrödinger’s brief autobiography and he said he almost switched his degree from physics to philosophy after he read Schopenhauer. Pretty profound stuff.

[Anonymous No.19465559]

>>19463408
do females really?

[Anonymous No.19465661]

>>19457070
shit and cringe

[Anonymous No.19465666]

>>19457136
This. OP is illiterate. Schopenhauer was a constant in Nietzsche's thought, and not in the rent-free way

[Anonymous No.19465876]

>>19457049
>>19457081

I agree. Schopenhauer didn't interact with Kant (that's how OP's pic makes it out to be). Schopenhauer took a part of Kant's work and mixed it with Upanishads for his philosophy.

Also Nietzsche was actually motivated by Schopenhauer in his philosophy. His concept of "the will to power" is partially inspired from Schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.19465927]

What if my will to life is ******