They were right

[Anonymous No.19490104]

The pessimists... the anti-natalists.... the nihilists.... they are all right.
All of them, this world is rotten, filled to the brim with rotten people and built upon a rotten structure.
The only thing that can fix this mess is a firm hand, someone to punish the wicked and provide the people with order and morality. Who will commit to this task? You? Reading this? No. Me? No. But someone.

This world cannot be written with books alone. How do we fix this mess? Any philosophy for it?!

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19490114]

>>19490104
No, idiot.

[Anonymous No.19490115]

>>19490104
Dunno man I hope I keep getting my videogames and books, rest of the world be damned

[Anonymous No.19490120]

>>19490104
>Any philosophy for it?!

You need to turn 18 first so you can understand it

[Anonymous No.19490126]

>>19490114
A man (or woman) with no answers who curses like a drunken harlet and spits in the face of life’s questions. You deserve to be punished.

>>19490115
Indifference serves the devils pleasure. When you break a man so hard he no longer cares for the well-being of his tribe, you know you have truly won. Well played, well played.

[Anonymous No.19490134]

>>19490104

My hate for women is keeping me alive ? the lack of pussy is what makes life so much shittier. So now I look forward to the world ending and it's enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.19490135]

>>19490120
I’ve already turned 18, the bliss of a young child has long since evaporated for me. If only we could remain innocent for our entire lives. They love to ruin innocence, turn our daughters into whores and our sons into violent thugs.

[Anonymous No.19490138]

>>19490104
t. got rejected by a girl

[Anonymous No.19490144]

>>19490134
You hate women, yet you are so blind that you do not know that man is favouring no better in this world.
A woman does a woman’s job best. A man does a mans job best. You have been subverted into useless ‘gender’ wars to divide and conquer your very soul. Well played, well played.

[Anonymous No.19490147]

>>19490138
that could spell OP's genetic death

[Anonymous No.19490154]

>>19490138
Incorrect, this comment >>19490144 should provide that I have no ill will to the other sex.
On the contrary, I am not worthy of a ‘girlfriend’ as you say. I am base and useless. Physically and socially stunted

[Anonymous No.19490165]

>>19490104
>this world is rotten, filled to the brim with rotten people and built upon a rotten structure

God said we live in a fallen world thousands of years ago anon that doesn't mean nihilism is correct
Everything that is happening is ordained by God to happen and he will make good of it

[Anonymous No.19490166]

>>19490154
Try having sex then—the greatest refutation of pessimist philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19490169]

>>19490144
>You have been subverted into useless ‘gender’ wars to divide and conquer your very soul.
>it's okay to get cucked by foids bro
yeah bud, women will almost always be able to ensure their genetic survival while a vast majority of men should just die out getting cucked?unironically kys christcuck kike.It's u folks who've normalised such degeneracy by
>muh mercy
>muh tolerance
>muh christ bore ur sins
all of these bitches should watch their genes die out as an act of evolutionary revenge.

[Anonymous No.19490181]

>>19490169
>as an act of evolutionary revenge
and that would be mankind's act of exerting 'evolutionary revenge' ***

[Anonymous No.19490198]

>>19490165
GOD, I hope you are right. If this is a test, then it is truly one of high value to our creator.

>>19490166
No.

>>19490169
You’re lashing out at an indifferent world. I can understand you. Hate and anger fills your very heart as you feel, no, you ARE betrayed by the very world you are raised in. You have not been taught what it means to be a man, so you lash out at others. I understand you deeply. I truly do.

[Anonymous No.19490211]

>>19490104
Brother you know Nick Land? Le one of the most prominent contemporary philosopher? I use to checkout his twitter feed very frequently but I didn't understood what the fuck he was about. At the I got. The thing with Land is that he treat news bulletin as a comedy show, the fucked the future of humanity, the better the keks. If you penetrate into his asshole deep enough you will see that he preaches nothing beyond contrarianism with heavy dose of cynical indifference, he is a jargon coated misanthrope. He just sit back, relax and enjoys the world getting burned.

Stop caring bro, just lay flat. Take the indifferencepill, this was the absolute endgame of Cioran.

[Anonymous No.19490226]

>>19490211
Indifference is perma sleep. You live in your sleep, you die in your sleep. If you surrender to the devils you might as well die. I cannot become indifferent, I cannot force myself into such an artificial state.

[Anonymous No.19490269]

>>19490226
Then you haven't got what Pessimism is. You're still "hoping" that someone will clean this mess up which is a mistake. Billions came before you, who thought same as you but the "mess" is still there. Do you remember 20th century? Both commie and fashies thought they "cleaning up the mess" and they end up creating way bigger shitshows from the one they started with.

Suffering and evil are woven into the very fabric of life. So mess is here to stay. I know we are humans who are mainly driven by emotions over reason or intellect but hope as Cioran says hope never fails to deceive us.

[Anonymous No.19490292]

>>19490144

life is meaningless even if there is a god or something more supernatural.

[Anonymous No.19490303]

>>19490269
>just do nothing and read books
It's 7+ billion people doing nothing and reading "books" that got us into this mess. Why don't you fucking retards understand this?

[Anonymous No.19490313]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Qn3NidZm8

Blogposters, frogposters, jezebelposters, pajeetposters, geunonposters, i've read hegel and you should too posters.

[Anonymous No.19490361]

>>19490303
>It's 7+ billion people doing nothing
You're wrong, they're hoping and coping.

[Anonymous No.19490363]

Read Celine

[Anonymous No.19490461]

>>19490104
>>The only thing that can fix this mess is a firm hand, someone to punish the wicked and provide the people with order and morality. Who will commit to this task?
Jesus already did
Also, no need to punish the wicked and force order on people.

[Anonymous No.19490472]

>>19490461
I wish I could believe

[Anonymous No.19490476]

>>19490303
>doing nothing and reading "books" that got us into this mess
That's what you think causes the suffering in existence?
>>19490472
Read Brothers Karamazov

[Anonymous No.19490495]

>>19490476
I believe consciousness causes suffering and that it is a product of matter

How do I escape my materialism? I'm literally going to rope if I don't find a way out of this nightmare

[Anonymous No.19490497]

>>19490476
>That's what you think causes the suffering in existence?
I never said that, I said shrugged shoulders iterated 7 billion times is why nobody does fucking anything and I'm sick of reading theory and posting memes about it.

[Anonymous No.19490498]

>>19490165
>Everything that is happening is ordained by God to happen and he will make good of it
All your god does is coom to the screams of humans suffering

[Anonymous No.19490519]

>>19490498
correction: he cooms to screams of anything suffering.

[Anonymous No.19490549]

>>19490495
>How do I escape my materialism?
Ligotti, Cioran, Schopenhauer, Mainländer, Pessoa etc. none of these people were materialists.

[Anonymous No.19490555]

>>19490498
>>19490519
Gnosticism was right, huh?

[Anonymous No.19490557]

>>19490555
Trips of gnosis. Yup.

[Anonymous No.19490568]

>>19490549
Ligotti is an atheist and materialist, anon. He's associated with new atheism.

Cioran wasn't a materialist? This is news to me. Does he have a metaphysical system?

[Anonymous No.19490665]

>>19490495
>I believe consciousness causes suffering and that it is a product of matter
Do you think joy and love is also nothing but chemicals in the brain?

[Anonymous No.19490687]

>>19490665
I don't want believe so but it would make sense in materialist worldview, yeah

[Anonymous No.19490717]

>>19490687
Do you love anything unconditionally?

[Anonymous No.19490728]

>>19490568
>Ligotti is an atheist and materialist, anon
Oh no no no no, read a fucking book faggot

>Like Segal’s vastness, Schopenhauer’s Will has the same purpose in mind for human beings—to use our “circuitries” to acquire some kind of knowledge of its mindless self. For Schopenhauer, though, the self-seeking Will does not feel good to human beings except during moments when we temporarily satisfy its universal ravening as it emerges within us. Why the vastness or the Will should want to use us in this way is a mystery. Both of these non-dualistic meta-realities do serve the purpose of making sense of human life in their own way. But whether they make us feel good does not seem to matter to either of them. We are just vehicles; they are the drivers. And wherever we are going, as Segal and Schopenhauer have assured us, along with every other individual whose consciousness has been opened to the vastness by whatever name or nature, we must keep in mind that we are not what we think we are. Taking things a step further, Professor Nobody would teach us that neither is our world what we think it is, lecturing us with a flamboyant dispassion on the omnipresence of the infernal in “The Eyes That Never Blink.”

>Mist on a lake, fog in thick woods, a golden light shining on wet stones—such sights make it all very easy. Something lives in the lake, rustles through the woods, inhabits the stones or the earth beneath them. Whatever it may be, this something lies just out of sight, but not out of vision for the eyes that never blink. In the right surroundings our entire being is made of eyes that dilate to witness the haunting of the universe. But really, do the right surroundings have to be so obvious in their spectral atmosphere?
>Take a cramped waiting room, for instance. Everything there seems so well-anchored in normalcy. Others around you talk ever so quietly; the old clock on the wall is sweeping aside the seconds with its thin red finger; the window blinds deliver slices of light from the outside world and shuffle them with shadows. Yet at any time and in any place, our bunkers of banality may begin to rumble. You see, even in a stronghold of our fellow beings we may be subject to abnormal fears that would land us in an asylum if we voiced them to another. Did we just feel some presence that does not belong among us? Do our eyes see something in a corner of that room in which we wait for we know not what?
>Just a little doubt slipped into the mind, a little trickle of suspicion in the bloodstream, and all those eyes of ours, one by one, open up to the world and see its horror. Then: no belief or body of laws will guard you; no friend, no counselor, no appointed personage will save you; no locked door will protect you; no private office will hide you. Not even the solar brilliance of a summer day will harbor you from horror. For horror eats the light and digests it into darkness.

The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

[Anonymous No.19490730]

>>19490717
Yeah, my family

I've felt unconditional love for a girlfriend before

[Anonymous No.19490734]

>>19490104
>The only thing that can fix this mess is a firm hand, someone to punish the wicked and provide the people with order and morality.
people shidded and pissed when figures like Stalin & Mao tried to do this. Ahh well, history slowly sweeps the trash heaped upon their names. Eventually the masses will understand their importance, you as well.

[Anonymous No.19490748]

Real world is pretty gay yes. Prefer my escapist digital diversions.

[Anonymous No.19490777]

If I can't be great, I would rather be nothing. Fucking being some nameless nobody. Another worker drone, a cog in the infernal machine.

[Anonymous No.19490791]

>>19490728
I thought Ligotti was following in the tradition of Zapffe? Zapffe worked out a framework for how consciousness emerged from matter.

Also, I don't understand how to those excerpts suggest that he's not a materialist

[Anonymous No.19490798]

>>19490104
Bible

[Anonymous No.19490811]

>>19490791
Are you sure that you understand what materialism and non-dualism is?

[Anonymous No.19491025]

>The optimist is right. The pessimist is right. The one differs from the other as the light from the dark. Yet both are right. Each is right from his own particular point of view, and this point of view is the determining factor in the life of each. It determines as to whether it is a life of power or of impotence, of peace or of pain, of success or of failure.

>The optimist has the power of seeing things in their entirety and in their right relations. The pessimist looks from a limited and a one-sided point of view. The one has his understanding illumined by wisdom, the understanding of the other is darkened by ignorance. Each is building his world from within, and the result of the building is determined by the point of view of each. The optimist, by his superior wisdom and insight, is making his own heaven, and in the degree that he makes his own heaven is he helping to make one for all the world beside. The pessimist, by virtue of his limitations, is making his own hell, and in the degree that he makes his own hell is he helping to make one for all mankind.

>You and I have the predominating characteristics of an optimist or the predominating characteristics of a pessimist. We then are making, hour by hour, our own heaven or our own hell; and in the degree that we are making the one or the other for ourselves are we helping make it for all the world beside.

>The word heaven means harmony. The word hell is from the old English hell, meaning to build a wall around, to separate; to be helled was to be shut off from. Now if there is such a thing as harmony there must be that something one can be in right relations with; for to be in right relations with anything is to be in harmony with it. Again, if there is such a thing as being helled, shut off, separated from, there must be that something from which one is held, shut off, or separated.
https://sacred-texts.com/nth/twi/twi04.htm

[Anonymous No.19491033]

>>19491025
>The optimist is right
Stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.19491057]

>>19490292
care to elaborate?

[Anonymous No.19491062]

>>19490730
That's something at least
Try to extend that love to everything in existence

[Anonymous No.19491065]

>>19490104
action
philosophy drives action, or rther it should - this is why the formalization of philosophy was both necessary and a complete failure of purpose

[Anonymous No.19491079]

>>19491033
maybe the sentence after that will change your mind anon
>The pessimist is right.

[Anonymous No.19491219]

>>19490104
>>19490211
>>19490269
>>19490361
>>19490476
>>19490748
You're supposed to try no matter how hopeless it is, even if it's just out of spite. Being a man of inaction just contributes to entropy. You're a weak, weak little man if you only try because you expect to win

>>19490114
Kill yourself you worthless whore, you pestering little maggot, nobody likes you and nobody ever will. You're nothing but a retard and an attention whore

>>19490138
>>19490144
>>19490166
Kill yourself too simps

[Anonymous No.19491268]

>>19491219
Based

Life will inevitably destroy me but I'm going to struggle against it regardless

[Anonymous No.19491696]

>>19490104
There's no fixing it.
The Christians tried to do it, they failed.
The Muslims tried to do it, they failed.
The Communists tried to do it, they failed.
The Nazis tried to do it, they failed.
The modern liberal democrats tried to do it, they are failing.

There's no solution, every utopian vision is doomed to fail, because that is nature. We are meant to meaninglessly suffer and compete against each other until we die. If you really don't want to off yourself, then just take the existential pill and find meaning on your own instead of worrying about everything.

[Anonymous No.19491716]

>>19491219
Based. Even if both are wrong, the depressed and the apathetic will always lose to the spiteful and the bitter.