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What is your opinion of Rene Guenon? Is he worth reading?

>> No.19552868

>>19552850
I like him, but I haven't read any of his work. I like what I hear about him from his fans on this board though:
>Eschewed politics, and focused instead on spirituality

>> No.19552883

peak midwit core

>> No.19552894

>>19552883
Elaborate on that.

>> No.19552951

>>19552894
guenon had little to no exposure to humanities in the academic sense and it really fucking shows. he copes with it by denouncing academia as a whole but every time he thinks he does a novel critique of western philosophy he's basically attacking some distorted image of positivism which is something not even positivists themselves believed in, and he's more than ignorant of every other form of thought there was at the time. like if you know 101 dialectics you can probably demolish his entire worldview in a paragraph, as well as the premise of advaita which it's based on.

>> No.19552986

>>19552850
i will not read rene guenon

>> No.19553157

>>19552951
Tell me you did not read Guénon without telling me you haven't

>>19552850
Guénon is not intended to communicate anything new but rather attempts to establish a paradigm with symbolic language. That's why he filters many. People come to him expecting something, or just dismiss him as "weirdo traditionalist" even though he himself uses the word "traditionalist" because of the word "tradere."

His whole life, he tried to find initiations, and his work is about finding an initiation (not a religion, but something orthopractical), which he found in Islam (because the rituals are adhered to as a reality). It is difficult to explain right now, but Guénon lays out the language necessary to explain something that exists outside of (what Spengler would call) a Faustian paradigm. Through this, he also makes a common language for traditions of other types to speak with one another.

The "Perennial" stuff did not come until much later in his life and evolved into what it is now after death.

>> No.19553171

>>19552951
imagine thinking that ACTUAL METAPHYSICAL REALIZATION AND NOT MERE THEORIES can be refuted by dialectics and philosophy
ngmi

>> No.19553317

>>19553171
>ACTUAL METAPHYSICAL REALIZATION
like what? you don't have any means of differentiating this stuff from new age tier mystic experiences other than by basing your criteria on "tradition" that provided you with one, which certainly does fall in categories of philosophy, as well as your interpretation of your mystic experience as "metaphysical realisation" to begin with

>> No.19553488

>>19553317
>you don't have any means of differentiating this stuff from new age tier mystic experiences other than by basing your criteria on "tradition"
get out of your room, move to India, find an authorized guru (reading Guenon would help for avoiding frauds) and get working on your spiritual path, that is TRADITION
>but noooooo I don't want to live with hindoos, living in my mom's basement and "refuting" Guenon is much more important

>> No.19553515

>>19553488
yeah that's pretty much what I'm talking about

>> No.19553618

>>19552850
It was when someone started autistically spamming him that I left /lit/. I have been popping back in every now and then the last year and it disappoints me to see that he is still memed.

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19553629

retroactively refuted

>> No.19553647

>>19552850
He is worth reading, but not worth discussing. Mainly because of autistic spammers.

>> No.19553683

>>19552850
Check Ibn-Arabi

>> No.19553697

>>19553647
This really, its impossible to have any kind of decent discussion about him here

>> No.19553716

>>19552951
Anons already exposed your stupidity, but to add one thing: Guenon taught philosophy at uni for a couple of years

>> No.19553734

>>19553716
>Anons already exposed your stupidity
none of them have refuted my claim so far
>Guenon taught philosophy at uni for a couple of years
yeah, Indian one

>> No.19553765

>>19552850
> What is your opinion of Rene Guenon?
I agree with Dugin that Guenon is the smartest, most correct and most important person of the 20th century
>Is he worth reading?
You betcha!

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Since we're on the subject, what are your favorite authors and philosophers that write about the metaphysical, eldritch and supernatural?

>> No.19553784

>>19552951
>like if you know 101 dialectics you can probably demolish his entire worldview in a paragraph
Feel free to write this paragraph. BTW Guenon (PBUH) refuted dialectics

>> No.19553928

>>19553784
advaita: brahman and maya which brahman creates are opposed as an absolute and relative reality, but the latter can only be so as long as it is devoid of brahman's presence. the former, on the contrary, can only be so if it is unbound by anything, but since it isn't to be found in maya it becomes limited by it, which means that it either isn't an absolute reality or that this is not the case, which in turn means maya isn't relative reality and any distinction between the two becomes excessive
guenon: apart from advaita, the only other basis for his claims is the idea that big t tradition has been consequently being transmitted from symbolic adam to the esoteric circles of modernity, and regardless of their exoteric aspects all true religions preach the same thing. guenon, however, doesn't consider the fact that esoteric knowledge as something absolute and objective should also be manifested in religion's exotericism, because if it isn't, all exoteric parts of any religion become completely meaningless despite the fact that they supposedly should still be followed if one wants to initiate, and the line between traditionalism and some shit guenon criticises like anthroposophy becomes extremely vague, as an "enlightened" individual becomes able to transmit his knowledge without preludes, because they don't matter anyway. if it is, the initial assumption is false since most religions contradict each other when it comes to ethics, cosmology etc.

>> No.19553950

>>19553488
>streetshitters are peak traditionalists
Oh no no no no