Pessimist on Communism

[Anonymous No.19575390]

Pessimist here. After i have finished reading The Last Messiah by Zapffe and History and Utopia by Cioran, i can say that communism is just a massive cope.

Communism get influenced by Christian morality. Egalitarian as the core value Plus the utopian vision of communism come from the idea that “Muh the father has created all men equal.” In addition this; Marx as the biggest pseud was secularising this idea by sayin’ “Umm... yeah. The stateless egalitarian society will be the end of the dialectical materialism.”

Keep coping, commie !

[Anonymous No.19575417]

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[Anonymous No.19575424]

>>19575390
What do you think of communism in China? When do you forecast it to fail, if it ever will?

[Anonymous No.19575433]

it’s not utopian it’s scientific trust me bro

[Anonymous No.19575453]

>>19575390
Based
They believe in Hegelian nonsense of rational reality. Reality is irrational so are men. Dostoyevsky told them they didn't listen. Libs, commies, fashies all were fighting for le good cause and ended up with the most brutal century of mankind. I don't know how the fuck pic related pessimistic giant fell for petty commie bullshite.

Fuck cope, embrace quietism.

[Anonymous No.19575653]

>>19575424
> Private ownership of massive companies
> Enormous exploitation of the working class

Nice "communism" you got there Chang, really channeling the spirit of solidarity.

[Anonymous No.19575736]

>>19575390
that's ridiculously wrong. Marxism rejects metaphysical human equality and shows that the concept is rather a historical product. this is diametrically opposed to both Christianity and liberal human rights. Engels:
>Christianity knew only one point in which all men were equal: that all were equally born in original sin — which corresponded perfectly to its character as the religion of the slaves and the oppressed. Apart from this it recognised, at most, the equality of the elect, which however was only stressed at the very beginning. The traces of community of goods which are also found in the early stages of the new religion can be ascribed to solidarity among the proscribed rather than to real equalitarian ideas. Within a very short time the establishment of the distinction between priests and laymen put an end even to this incipient Christian equality....
>The feudal Middle Ages ... developed in their womb the class which was destined, in the course of its further development, to become the standard-bearer of the modern demand for equality: the bourgeoisie.... The political order remained feudal, while society became more and more bourgeois. Trade on a large scale, that is to say, particularly international and, even more so, world trade, requires free owners of commodities who are unrestricted in their movements and as such enjoy equal rights; who may exchange their commodities on the basis of laws that are equal for them all, at least in each particular place....
>[W]here economic relations required freedom and equality of rights, the political system opposed them at every step with guild restrictions and special privileges. Local privileges, differential duties, exceptional laws of all kinds affected in trade not only foreigners and people living in the colonies, but often enough also whole categories of the nationals of the country concerned; everywhere and ever anew the privileges of the guilds barred the development of manufacture. Nowhere was the road clear and the chances equal for the bourgeois competitors — and yet that this be so was the prime and ever more pressing demand.
>The demand for liberation from feudal fetters and the establishment of equality of rights by the abolition of feudal inequalities was bound soon to assume wider dimensions, once the economic advance of society had placed it on the order of the day.... And as people were no longer living in a world empire such as the Roman Empire had been, but in a system of independent states dealing with each other on an equal footing and at approximately the same level of bourgeois development, it was a matter of course that the demand for equality should assume a general character reaching out beyond the individual state, that freedom and equality should be proclaimed human rights.

[Anonymous No.19575748]

It is a massive cope. These people cling onto a past movement they've never been a part of, and a present political environment they can not even gain a foot in. The average leftypol tranny that posts here is nothing more than a cheerleader in an empty stadium. Marxism is where people go when they have no spiritual or traditional wisdom. Its a sad existence. I would not feel sorry for these people, and I would not bother saving someone who became one of them. Just let them die as a result of their stupidity as they always do, and let the people who are intelligent enough to avoid it not stop Marxism from moving idiots from the gene pool.

[Anonymous No.19575761]

>>19575736
Why do Marxists just copy and paste quotes without understanding them? You're still for (((equality))) - you just want to call it something else. You're a liberal with extra steps. You still believe in egalitarian non-sense such as the abolition of class and capital accumulation. You're just mad liberals don't go far enough in being as retarded as you.

[Anonymous No.19575765]

>>19575736
>Engels:

[Anonymous No.19575767]

>>19575748
>spiritual or traditional wisdom
Nice copes there you have it buddy.

[Anonymous No.19575783]

>>19575653
China is communist ideologically. However, they acknowledge how weak communism is economically speaking and they know that they wouldn't be able to survive in modern world without exploiting capitalism. If it's not obvious for you, you probably never looked thoroughly into this subject.

When was the last time you've seen communism "channeling the spirit of solidarity" at a larger scale? People who believe in that kind of stuff are the ones that get exploited by a communist system.

[Anonymous No.19575786]

>>19575761
You really are just a retarded kid. Abolishing classes (socialism) would mean eliminating the division of labor by turning every person into a polymath who could do every function of productive labor in society. That's never going to work because we don't have the resources, time, or ability to turn people into specialists of every kind of work. People are always going to be naturally gifted at some work more than others, therefore there will have to be classes to allocate to work people based on their expertise and function. You are hopeless and stupid utopian. You're even more annoying the Jehovah Witnesses and just abstract as being time wasters.
>>19575767
Traditional wisdom is not a cope. The reason why religion has survived longer than Marxism is because its tried, and true, theories have been affirmed by existence. That's why these traditions have been passed down for millenniums That's why the majority of communist countries are highly conservative and religious and not atheist and materialistic like you. That's why you always fail.

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