Refutation of Nondualism

[Anonymous No.19670802]

>John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

According to biblical Scripture, all things that are not God are made by God. Therefore, creaturely consciousness is only a created image of the the consciousness within the eternal Godhead. Put another way, our consciousness can only ever be analogous to God's consciousness, which is paradoxically described as three distinct centers (since God is tri-personal), yet singular and unified (since God is one being). God's internal consciousness can only be known to us analogically by examining our own created consciousness, and it can never be accessed or known immediately, nor can it be a direct object of our own consciousness (unlike our creaturely consciousness). There is no way for the nondualistic epistemology to refute the existence of such an entity. This renders the Advaitan's central assertion of the sole existence of Brahman/Atman as arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.19671507]

Can anyone find any problems with this argument?

[Anonymous No.19671545]

>>19671507
If you drink the Christ kool-aid, you can't simultaneously drink the Hindu kool-aid, is that the argument?

[Anonymous No.19671557]

>>19670802

[Anonymous No.19671597]

>>19671545
The argument is that from within the Vedantic worldview, there is no way to epistemically disprove the existence of an entity that is neither subject or object, yet has the capacity to affect consciousness and its objects.

[Anonymous No.19671609]

>>19671597
God is surely a subject, sure seems to take on predicates a lot in the Bible, creating the world and all that. He can also turn himself to an object, manifesting as Christ to be objectified upon the cross

[Anonymous No.19671616]

>>19670802
>brahmin dogma bad
>abraham dogma good
i'll be bing chilling like buddha but you do you

[Anonymous No.19671658]

>>19671609
God is not subject in the Vedantic sense of the word -- God is not the nondual "awareness," nor is He awareness with some attributes on top. God's awareness is beyond our own awareness, ontologically speaking. Therefore, God is within this category of entities that is neither consciousness nor an object of consciousness, which makes His existence (or the possible existence of any other such entity) unknowable and non-refutable from the Vedantic perspective. This is problematic if you positively assert that reality is nondual.

[Anonymous No.19671668]

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[Anonymous No.19671691]

>>19671557
>>19671616
>>19671668
/pol/-tier ad hominem, zero interaction with the argument presented.

[Anonymous No.19671698]

>>19671658
You don't even know what you are arguing against, just that it seems to be more popular than Orthodoxy on /lit/. The nondualism in AV is between Brahman and Atman, both of which are really quite specific to the Vedas. So there is an ontologically real God for AV, but he is equivalent to your self, and everything else is merely illusion. Reality is just that Brahman-Atman. This non-duality of selfhood and Godhood is the only thing to be known. Other theistic systems make God entirely unknowable, especially the Christian, who has him as a transcedent creator rather than a reality principle. There are criticisms of AV but that it is not Christianity's version of God is merely a statement of fact, not a criticism to be resolved

[Anonymous No.19671717]

>>19671691
Your argument is extremely weird and presupposes we are defending the volcano demon against the brahmin delusion. But these are both theological claims and all your axioms are "god said so in the godbook" which leaves no room to discuss anything. You're giving some pseudo-platonist explanation of our consciousness as copy modeled on divine one as if that were a point the Advaitan had agreed to. He won't and he doesn't because there's no separation between the two in his system to begin with. You're out of your depth

[Anonymous No.19671725]

>>19670802
>According to biblical Scripture
Ok but scripture doesn't teach nondualism. It presents a different theology. How is that a 'refutation' of nondualism? It's simply a different paradigm. We could just as easily say that anything from the Vedas 'refutes abrahamism' or whatever. Why do Chr*stoids think that everyone bows down to the Bible as much as they do? The bible simply has no currency in Hindu thought

[Anonymous No.19671728]

>>19671507
>Can anyone find any problems with this argument?
Yeah, lots of people do every time you post this shitty thread.

[Anonymous No.19671735]

>>19670802
Yeah, ok. So...?

[Anonymous No.19671810]

>>19671507
arguments are invented by rationalists, ie arguments are mental masturbation made up by glorified mental coomers.
The reality is that empiricism is better and rationalists are mental mdigets, which makes buddhism better just for shitting on intellectuals all the time.

The retarded brahmins in vajrayana have the same problem with their love-hate relationship to logic.

[Anonymous No.19671832]

>>19671810
Vajrayana is kino. Visualize deities until you have an experience of the cosmic dharmakaya and the emptiness of all form. Then call everyone else a retard. Even other Buddhists.

[Anonymous No.19672843]

>>19671658
Now do dvaita vedanta.

[Anonymous No.19672855]

>>19670802
>>19671507
>described as three distinct centers (since God is tri-personal)
Speaking of arbitrary....

[Anonymous No.19673929]

>>19670802
>Put another way, our consciousness can only ever be analogous to God's consciousness
Analogous, yes, but not an exact image since our consciousness is irreparably fallen, and not to the model of the trinity, but to Adam Kadmon, truth incarnate and the platonic human ideal, our Lord Jesus Christ, the trinity is of course part of this formulation, the Holy Spirit's irresistible grace pushing us towards Jesus Christ who then redeems us into the Father, infinite and larger than any material world (heaven, untouched by the original sin).
Meat and potatoes Christianity is actually advaita, dualism is a gnostic heresy.

[Anonymous No.19673967]

>>19671658
>God is not the nondual "awareness"
Non-dual awareness is the act of seeing/becoming God, Revelation, that every jewish prophet, and a good chunk of the early apostolic saints had.

[Anonymous No.19676260]

>>19671507
Read it.