/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.19752180]

Knight's Oath edition

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[Anonymous No.19752184]

>>19752180
More books like the OP image? Tired of the edgy deconstruction of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19752188]

did you like the Green Knight movie?

[Anonymous No.19752303]

>>19752188
Huh, thought about asking the same thing just yesterday. this and about Tolkien's rendition of The Green Knight.

[Anonymous No.19752312]

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.19752439]

>>19752312

A child worships Bakker's nods to philosophy and religion.
An Adult finds enjoyment in experiencing KJ Parker's nods to history

[Anonymous No.19752478]

How many of these dorks are actively posting in these threads

https://youtu.be/xWKKciavKU4

[Anonymous No.19752532]

>>19752312
The "king" has no clothes

[Anonymous No.19752570]

didn't get it. Liked the creatures, didn't like the coomer shit.

[Anonymous No.19752605]

>>19752532
All that shows is what the current state of rigging is. It's not legitimate at all.

[Anonymous No.19752613]

>>19752312
your chilling is fake and gay, get a life anon

[Anonymous No.19752637]

>>19752180
I’ve been reading stars my destination but the writing just seems too abrupt and basic. Does it get any better?

[Anonymous No.19752716]

>>19752180
Reply with controversial opinions you have:

>WoT was pretty good and I think Sanderson did the best he could wrapping it up

[Anonymous No.19752720]

>>19752532
Cope.

[Anonymous No.19752722]

>>19752716
Dune Messiah is the best Dune book

[Anonymous No.19752835]

>>19752570
okay retard

[Anonymous No.19752860]

>>19752722
That's not controversial at all.

[Anonymous No.19752868]

>>19752860
I'm glad to hear that. I see far too many people saying rude things about it.

[Anonymous No.19752904]

>>19752860
Well, neither is >>19752716

[Anonymous No.19752911]

>>19752904
Well, in /sffg/ it is.

[Anonymous No.19752913]

>>19752716
Tolkien only remains popular and is considered required reading because he was adopted by the literary establishment.

[Anonymous No.19752914]

>>19752911
Touché.

[Anonymous No.19752916]

>>19752716
Controversial =/= retarded. Although I will cattily agree that Sanderson did his best.

[Anonymous No.19752920]

>>19752722
God emperor though. I'll give it 2nd best.

[Anonymous No.19752929]

I quit. What a shit load of fuck. This book is so boring. Like what were they thinking!!???!??

[Anonymous No.19752933]

>>19752913
He said controversial, not brain dead. Striking Tolkien from a hypothetical fantasy reading list would be like striking Homer from the classics.

[Anonymous No.19752957]

>>19752929
Don't worry, Sanderson will soon have his latest backflipping, spellslinging, teenage assasin kino on the shelves for you to enjoy.

[Anonymous No.19752984]

>>19752957
The people reading Hobb are the same people reading Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.19752994]

>>19752984
I like Sanderson but I don't read female authors

[Anonymous No.19753004]

>>19752716
The actual plot of The Wicther is better than the Short Stories
The first two books are great, but the rest of the series is even better, and people who say that the wicther is at it's best in a monster of the week are objectively entitled to their own opinion, even if I disagree with it.

[Anonymous No.19753013]

>>19752933
There's no problem striking Tolkien from the canon. He is not even of "the classics", and his only contribution is spreading the idea that excessive worldbuilding is good (well, that and the word "orc").

[Anonyman No.19753015]

>>19752994
I got tricked into reading Robin Hobb. Fucking Americans, Robin is a mans name.

[Anonymous No.19753091]

>>19752984
I read Hobb but don't read Sanderson

[Anonymous No.19753098]

>>19752984
The same as the ones that read Tolkien, Bakker, Herbert.

[Anonymous No.19753121]

Anyone know a fantasy book/series where the main character uses a spear or other polearm? I'm getting tired of swords.

[Anonymous No.19753130]

>>19753004
As much as I liked Witcher, Lady of the Lake wrapped up way too quick even if there was some great kino moments like the Battle of Brenna. They spent too much time dicking around in Toussaint

[Anonymous No.19753140]

Cringe: Using a spear
Mega cringe: Using a sword
Based: Using a spear on the battlefield and a sword at close range
Megabased: Using a spear on the battlefield then half-swording a sword at close range
Chad megabased: Using a spear on the battlefield then half-swording a sword at close range, then grappling and pulling out a dagger

[Anonymous No.19753148]

Does this book have magic and faerie creatures in it?

[Anonymous No.19753150]

>>19753148
Read it and find out.

[Anonymous No.19753156]

>>19753130
>They spent too much time dicking around in Toussaint
Fair
>Lady of the Lake wrapped up way too quick
Really? I didn't think it was badly paced. To mee everything seemed ti flow naturally from what had been set up before. Though Lady of the Lake isn't my favorite from the series (that would be Baptism of fire) I did find it really good.

[Anonymous No.19753169]

>>19753013
"excessive" worldbuilding is precisely what you need if you want to make a proper fantasy series
if the author cannot tell you a zillion more things about his world than what he tells his readers in the books, then the books will never be immersive enough

[Anonymous No.19753179]

So I'm working on a middle grade fantasy book for boys and I have a bit of a dilemma. The MC has to find a specific plant to cure his friend and, after a short journey, happens upon a witch who can help him. My dilemma is this - should the boy outsmart the witch somehow, thus winning the cure, or should he make a deal for the cure and have to perform some task for her later on as payback for her giving him the cure? I like both choices, thus my conundrum. Thoughts?

[Anonyman No.19753184]

>>19753179
How sexual are you willing to get?

[Anonymous No.19753185]

>>19753179
>Thoughts?
Yeah, fuck off back to /wg/ >>19751113

[Anonymous No.19753191]

>>19753179
Read Mother of Learning then come back to me.

[Anonymous No.19753196]

>>19753184
Not at all.

>>19753185
No u

>>19753191
I'll give it a look

[Anonymous No.19753198]

>>19753140
>half-swording a sword at close range
is this some kind of code for dicks rubbing together?

[Anonymous No.19753215]

I finished The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and now I'm reading Prince Caspian. I haven't enjoyed either. Should I continue?

[Anonymous No.19753218]

>>19753215
Can't you decide for yourself? Or are you that much of a bitch?

[Anonymous No.19753224]

[Anonymous No.19753238]

>>19753215
>not liking Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe
Absolutely soulless... Keep reading as punishment.

[Anonymous No.19753244]

>>19753148
It has moor cock

[Anonymous No.19753247]

I just finished Book of the New Sun. I feel retarded so I might read the whole thing again at a later date.
Severian definitely fucked his mother, right?

[Anonymous No.19753285]

>>19753218
Is it really a matter of being a bitch? I'm just asking for the opinion of those with insight on the rest of the series.
>>19753238
Maybe what makes it so great went over my head because I wasn't raised Christian and have never read The Bible. Can you tell me what you like best about it?

[Anonymous No.19753427]

>>19753215
My personal favorite CS Lewis is The Horse and His Boy. It's set in Narnia but it doesn't focus on the usual suspects.

[Anonymous No.19753431]

I don't read sf but do you guys ever talk about the French cigarette goblin? He technically wrote a sci-fi novel with scenes in the far future beyond humanity (The Possibility of an Island) but since he's not marketed as a genrefag idk if you lads knew what you were missing out on

[Anonymous No.19753438]

>>19753431
I remember when he wrote a full page ranting about black cocks and how animalistic bbc is.

[Anonymous No.19753444]

>>19753431
I read Whatever and it was shit. It was like being on this website but it wasn't fun. Pathetic misery porn.

[Anonymous No.19753448]

>>19753431
I heard two of his books contains bbc, I only read one and its full of blacked cuck fantasies (Atomized)

[Anonymous No.19753460]

>>19753448
>character gets cucked by a black
>therefore it's a fantasy of the author's

sure thing

[Anonymous No.19753482]

>>19753460
didn't say its his fantasy, just said it contains cuck shit and for some reason its a black and he had to make a point of him having a giant cock.

[Anonymous No.19753490]

>>19753482
>he had to make a point of him having a giant cock.
Was it curved?

[Anonymous No.19753491]

>>19753179
have him make a deal now and then learn from it somehow to outsmart the witch the next time he is in the situation

[Anonymous No.19753693]

>>19753198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO9HoH_GsYA

[Anonymous No.19753723]

>>19752984
kek
The two are completely different.

[Anonymous No.19753738]

By the time I got to the end of the Wheel of Time, I had two questions, anons:
What happened to the song the Tinkers were searching for? I don't remember anything to do with that, but then again, it took me well over a year to finish all the books. The second:
What happened to Asmodean? He goes into hiding when Rand re-captures Caemlyn but gets caught by someone and I don't think anything happens after that. He's just... gone and forgotten. What the fuck? I feel like either Robert Jordan forgot about these points (unlikely, he kept lots of notes I heard), or Sanderson is a retard fag who just wanted to finish the big plot lines and call it a day.

Also, I think these books are actually ancient history books, not set in the future (although from one point of view, perhaps our future is our past when the wheel of time turns).

[Anonymous No.19753750]

>>19753738
The song doesn't exist. They'll never find it. And that's from Jordan himself. The tinkers are dumbasses who gave up their oaths to the aes sedai and as a result they forgot their own history and search for a myth.
Asmodean fucking died dude. Reread the end of book 5. I think it was the epilogue but he didn't go into hiding. It was a big mystery who killed him for several years before finally being revealed in book 12 or so that Graendal had Slayer kill him.

[Anonymous No.19753758]

>>19752439
i've had K. J. Parker on my tbr list for over a year now, is pic related a good place to start or should i go for the engineer trilogy? i hear a lot of good things about the latter but Prosper's Demon has a really pretty cover

[Anonymous No.19754071]

How did we go from Disney adapting Terry Goodkind ot modern Disney?

[Anonymous No.19754181]

>>19752722
I stopped reading after Messiah. It certainly is the best one.

[Anonymous No.19754189]

>>19752716
Science fiction has always been and always will be, superior to fantasy in every concievable manner imaginable.

[Anonymous No.19754256]

>>19753224
Based, just wish the opening section in the village spent less time having the mc jerking himself off instead of using his knowledge of the future more, especially since he knows his time there is limited

[Anonymous No.19754269]

>Having said so, Caucasian Monk clapped his hands: “Fly away, faggot!”
God bless chink web novels

[Anonymous No.19754292]

What should I read if I really liked the noble politics/drama/intrigue in Dune?

[Anonymous No.19754338]

>>19753285
Go read the Bible instead

[Anonymous No.19754397]

>>19753196
>Not at all.
Bye.

[Anonymous No.19754402]

>>19753758
I think the best starting point is The Folding Knife
I didn't like the memory trilogy and the fencer trilogy (engineer was fine) but the standalones are good, especially sharps.
this newest trilogy is a trilogy of standalones so it's good too.
don't expect a change in tone, the books all have the same sarcastic somewhat nihilist narration

[Anonymous No.19754720]

>>19754292
Do you want something with grimdark and philosophy? Read The Prince of Nothing by King Bakker

[Anonymous No.19754766]

>>19753224
Doesn't even have a system baka

[Anonymous No.19754967]

>>19753156
I guess it's more so that Geralt figuring out where Yennefer is just because he happens to eavesdrop on those key actors feels like quite a bit of an asspull. I would have very much liked to have had more of the adventures of Geralt's Hansa

[Anonymous No.19755033]

>>19753750
>They'll never find it. And that's from Jordan himself.
Really? There's a scene with Randlews humming a song and having greenery sprout up around him, I assumed that was *the* song as seen in one of the Age of Legends flashback.

[Anonymous No.19755093]

I'm having a blast with athe book of the new sun.
I've also enjoyed dune.
Thinking of trying Bakker or Tolkien next, I'm afraid tolkien will seem generic after being familiar with fantasy and the history of tlotr. Is still enjoyable if you've watched the movies, etc?
Any other authors worth checking out if you particularly enjoyed the new sun stuff?

[Anonymous No.19755124]

>>19755093
Bakker is absolute peak KINO

[Anonymous No.19755163]

Audio Books are not Books.

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.19755172]

>>19755093
>Any other authors worth checking out if you particularly enjoyed the new sun stuff?
Vance's Dying Earth

[Anonymous No.19755181]

>>19754766
What system

[Anonymous No.19755186]

>>19752929
I like it, but there's something undeniably homosexual about all of it

[Anonymous No.19755206]

>>19755172
Thanks, still check it out

[Anonymous No.19755430]

>>19755033
It is, but they wouldn't "know it when they hear it" like they claim otherwise they would have ended their journey centuries earlier when they heard an ogier treesing. They split from the aiel to go back to singing to plants but over time that warped into the hunt for some song that is supposed to bring world peace or whatever it was they say. What they travel the world looking for now isn't what they started their journey looking for and doesn't exist. Also since they aren't aiel any longer it might be that they couldn't even sing the song Rand sings if they knew it. The are truly Lost

[Anonymous No.19755435]

>>19755163
Here's your (You)

[Anonymous No.19755444]

>>19755435
He's still correct.

[Anonymous No.19755513]

>>19755124
why? Never herad of him before. Is this the newly shilled author of /lit/ now that Sanderson has fallen into disgrace?

[Anonymous No.19755599]

literally no one who listens to audiobooks actually focuses on what he hears, it's just a dumb add zoomer way of consooming but not internalizing

[Anonymous No.19755609]

I FUCKING TOLD YOU

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/728897/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-consciousness-continue-SOUL

[Anonymous No.19755626]

>>19755513
Nice way of outing yourself as newfag.

[Anonymous No.19755636]

>>19755599
You forgot your ironic greentext, because surely you weren't projecting your own disability on others?

[Anonymous No.19755637]

>>19752984
lmao, I've seen way to many stans of Sanderson get filtered by Hobb, or anything that actually focuses on characterization beyond the super simple straightforward kind that the hack likes to drag out.

[Anonymous No.19755665]

>>19755609
thank God

[Anonymous No.19755666]

>>19755637
I was filtered by the suffering porn.

[Anonymous No.19755681]

>>19755513
The only novelty here is you, buddy.

[Anonymous No.19755718]

>>19755609
Quantum mechanics is there just to entertain us seriously, nothing else

[Anonymous No.19755725]

Books for this feel

[Anonymous No.19755795]

>enter /sffg/ for the first time in months
>bakkertranies keep shilling their reddit turboautist idol
Is there any hope for them?

[Anonymous No.19755800]

>>19755599
I do, but I have rules. I only do it when I'm alert and I make a conscious choice to focus on it. I constantly rewind the moment my mind drifts. I never do it while driving, because driving is actually very distracting... unless you're a bad driver that doesn't pay attention to the road.

[Anonymous No.19755815]

>>19752532
>I have read and enjoyed a book by Bakker: 2 votes

>Number of seething replies to a comment about Bakker's irrelevancy outside /sffg/: 2
>>19755626
>>19755681

So it's either the same schizoid autist phoneposting, or Bakker himself and his wife are shilling his crap here. Big lmao

[Anonymous No.19755820]

>>19755815
>>19752720

[Anonymous No.19755842]

>>19755820
that poll was famously rigged

[Anonymous No.19755863]

>>19755842
not my problem

[Anonymous No.19755870]

>>19752312
Before this month ends, I'll read the first book in his series, and if it sucks ass, I'll call ALL bakkerfags TRANNIES from now on.

[Anonymous No.19755941]

>>19755820
>>19755863
>he shills Bakker for free
Pure autism

[Anonymous No.19755963]

>>19753179
have him "outsmart" her but it'll come to bite him in the ass later on.

[Anonymous No.19755968]

>>19755941
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.19756007]

>>19754967
Well, I didn't remember that. I don't remember a lot from the books on general, actually
Good thing I'm reading them again

[Anonymous No.19756012]

>>19755941
>>19755513
>>19755815
You're trying too hard, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.19756014]

>>19755842
>No argument.
>No proof.
I accept your defeat.

[Anonymous No.19756087]

>>19755870
I accept your deal as i judge there is very little risk of that

[Anonymous No.19756108]

>>19755870
You should post under a trip code and come back with your own detailed analysis. Otherwise, I don't really care.

[Anonymous No.19756150]

>>19756108
I'll post with the dotasmut visuals, just as with my previous post.
Detailed analysis of what? I'll share my opinion, will not write you an essay. If you don't like it, too bad for you; Bakkerfag.

[Anonymous No.19756196]

>>19756014
proof of >>19752605?
??
?

[Anonymous No.19756198]

>>19756150
Like I said, I don't care.

[Anonymous No.19756308]

>>19755815
>Number of seething replies to this post: 2
Bakkertrannies couldn't make it more obvious

[Anonymous No.19756454]

>>19752720
Jesus, I never heard of Bakker and Wolfe. Is this true?

[Anonymous No.19756500]

>>19756454
>a community of less than 100 people produces 400+ replies to a poll
Do you even need to ask?

[Anonymous No.19756508]

>>19756454
>a community that spans across /sffg/ and into other discord communities and reddit that produces 400+ replies to a poll
Do you even need to ask?

[Anonymous No.19756513]

>>19756454
Of course it is.

[Anonymous No.19756520]

>>19756454
Yes. I was here that day. The poll is 100% legit, and I think it is still up today. I also saw it spread across a number of fantasy discords.

[Anonymous No.19756545]

>>19756508
>>19756520
>bakkerposters are discordtrannies
Not even surprised

[Anonymous No.19756657]

Anyone got a Witcher reading order chart?

[Anonymous No.19756664]

Need some GRI approved books.
Didn't read a good rape in years.

[Anonymous No.19756669]

Thoughts on this series? I was considering reading it.

[Anonymous No.19756727]

I want to make 2022 the year of cyberpunk
I have previously read Gibsons Sprawl trilogy
I have George Alec Effingers Budayeen trilogy order, and also Melissa Scotts Trouble and her Friends
What else should I get?

[Anonymous No.19756819]

>>19756669
Cringe current year cuck shit.
>>19756727
I always rec Rucker for cyberpunk.

[Anonymous No.19756837]

>>19755626
>>19755681
>>19756012

Well I am not a newfag since I come here since 2006, but I don't visit here too often and irregularly.

All you three did not or could not answer my simple question though, so I might be tempted to guess I was right in assuming this was a shill author? Also...

>>19755815
... seems to confirm.

I just wanted to know why this author that I have literally never heard of before today would be so popular.

That is also not how you make someone interested in a new author.

But I have no horse in that race, so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.19756864]

>>19756657
Pic Related. The last one actually takes place somewhere in the middle of The Last Wish, but it's not part of the main story and is considered to be worse than the rest, so no reason to read it unless you really liked all of the others

[Anonymous No.19756870]

>>19752312
Stop selfposting Bakker you autistic loser. Your books are peak Reddit

[Anonymous No.19756872]

>>19756819

[Anonymous No.19756880]

>>19756727
I had a pretty good time with Idoru by William Gibson. I liked it as much (or maybe even more) than Neuromancer. It's part of a trilogy, but can be read as a standalone really well (and it's the highlight of the trilogy anyways), but if you want to read lot'sof cyberpunk, no harm on giving the Bridge trilogy as a whole a shot.

[Anonymous No.19756901]

I have enjoyed Egan in the past and read Diaspora, Clockwork Rocket, Permutation City and Schild's Ladder. I think I like Diaspora and Schild's Ladder best.

What are comparable books to these (not necessarily from Egan).

[Anonymous No.19757012]

Why didn’t you guys tell me about Clifford Simak? I just shotgunned Watch Station in one sitting and it was pretty good. Not god tier but certainly good enough I’m surprised I hadn’t heard about it sooner.

[Anonymous No.19757039]

Any other books like The Night Land? Something with a world/universe where everything is nearing its end, the stars going out, everything becoming cold and the last humans living near the last suns around.

[Anonymous No.19757047]

>>19756545
So are these "bakkertrannies" in the room with us right now?

[Anonymous No.19757051]

>>19757039

[Anonymous No.19757058]

>>19757047
Obviously

[Anonymous No.19757062]

>>19757051
I did not like Vance. Could never get into any of his books.

[Anonymous No.19757101]

>>19757047
I bet that seemed more clever in your head.

[Anonymous No.19757128]

>>19757101
Not at all.

[Anonymous No.19757175]

>>19756837
>Well I am not a newfag
Thins only newfags say.

[Anonymous No.19757401]

>>19756727
If you can stretch to Belterpunk then CJ Cherryh's Company Wars series is good

[Anonymous No.19757408]

>>19757047
Yes

[Anonymous No.19757425]

>>19756901
"Yellow Blue Tibia" and "The Thing Itself" by Adam Roberts. His other stuff is great but less philosophical

[Anonymous No.19757428]

>>19757047
THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS

[Anonymous No.19757505]

Why do we argue about authors and why not just talk about books, understanding that some we like less than others?

[Anonymous No.19757603]

>>19756669
i only read the first book, don't know about the rest. the first book starts off fantastic, i absolutely loved the setting and the tone and how it felt, but as the plot kept advancing it lost most of its charm and i felt kinda disappointed. i disliked it from third act or so, and specially the ending which was absolutely retarded, i remember feeling betrayed after thinking how much i had liked the book earlier. feel free to ask for more details

[Anonymous No.19757676]

>>19757062
Filtered

[Anonymous No.19757684]

>>19757051
As a brainlet, is it safe for me to read BOTNS? Or do you recommend just going for The Dying Earth and co?

[Anonymous No.19757715]

My favourite thing to happen to a current author is all his fans dropping him after he had a tranny soapbox a quarter of the third book in the series, and we found out more of the tranny than the main protagonists.

He was ranting how misunderstood he was.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.19757795]

>>19752180
Tremors - Tomas L. Martin
Almost all the water in world has evaporated. Acid rain downpours threaten all life on the surface. Soon it will be too later to ever escape Earth. A team of Europeans tunnel underneath the seabed with colossal excavators to reach the Azores, which has the last viable launchpad.
Ok

Open Letter to Non-Robotic Sentients - Shawn Howard
A sexbot becomes sentient and requests legal rights. Reminded me of the tv series, Äkta människor (Real Humans), though this preceded it by a year.
Ok

Waiting Room - Bruce Golden
How should an automated caregiver of the elderly that is designed to have a sense of ethics respond to a patient's request to allow their death? The cover seems to be about this story.
Ok

Breakers - James C. Bassett
A spacefaring salvage crew comes across a ship that's on course to fall into the sun's gravity well, but it's in perfect working order and seems newly constructed, so why is it bound for destruction? It's not what you'd expect and given the context didn't really make sense to me.
Meh

Inchoate - Tab Earley
I dislike stories that are allegories to the exclusion of anything else, especially when they're as preachy as this was. Humans find an alien species and their first and only thought is along the lines of, "We should bring them back to Earth and have everyone on the planet eat them." What? Seriously, what?
Blah

El Camino - Dustin Monk
Why was this included? Who would like this? Best as I can tell it's redneck life in the midst of some sort of war.
Blah

The Night We Flushed the Old Town - Martin L. Shoemaker
A surprisingly ok hard SF story about lunar waste management and its perils.
Ok

Fruitful - David Steffen
A monstrous and peculiar dystopia. Incubated children are commodities and revenue streams. Many battle to be a top social influencer. This was certainly weird.
Ok

Out on a Limb - Tom Barlow
A war veteran in rehabilitation falls in love with his doctor, despite how idealistic she is, which puts her at odds with their corrupt superiors.
Ok

Nevermind the Bollocks - Annie Bellet
A sexbot for the space mafia decides she wants out and coerces a guy she literally has by the bollocks to do so.
Meh

A lot of these "Ok"s were almost "Enjoyable", but not quite, so I liked this more it would initially appear.

[Anonymous No.19757814]

>>19757684
The chart is just a journey through the Dying Earth subgenre. The references in BOTNS are to itself and Biblical, not to genre.

[Anonymous No.19757837]

>>19757814
Oh I got that. Not talking about the chart, talking mostly about how people usually say BOTNS is a relatively hard read (Lots of metaphors and interpretation and unclear language, etc), and I'm a brainlet

[Anonymous No.19757840]

how do i show trauma of a character without him constantly looking like a bitch?
im playing on how he enjoys simple pleasures in his life but is constantly bogged down by responsibility of oppressors and how they take away those pleasures constantly.
one chapter he will be solemnly enjoying these pleasures and then the next chapter they are either ripped away from him or he is too hurt to continue to enjoy the pleasures.

i feel as though it will come off as him being whiney, so how do i properly show this without it coming off weak and make the reader actually sympathize with the character?

[Anonymous No.19757841]

>>19757401
Could you elaborate?

[Anonymous No.19757847]

>>19757840
fuck off back to /wg/ >>19751113

[Anonymous No.19757856]

>>19757837
It rewards multiple readings, it's not unreadable.

[Anonymous No.19757863]

>>19757841
it's pretty much cyberpunk (hacking, political/corporate intrigue, life on the margins) but without augments or urban landscapes, just on a space station

[Anonymous No.19757874]

>>19757795
Is that robot gonna watch her float?

[Anonymous No.19758056]

>>19757874
I see how you'd make that connection, but no.

[Anonymous No.19758072]

Anything similar to Diablo? Demon lords, dungeons, hellscapes. Thanks

[Anonymous No.19758073]

>>19755186
Yeah written by a woman innit

[Anonymous No.19758191]

>>19757684
>is it safe
Do you think your brain might hemorrhage if you try?

[Anonymous No.19758237]

>>19758191
Yes, I definitely meant safe as regading to my health and mental state, and not as a menonymy for agreeable/easy/non-problematic.

[Anonymous No.19758404]

>>19758072
bumping this anons request

[Anonymous No.19758497]

how the hell did this win the nebula award? the story is middling and the characters are cardboard cutouts. surely by 2007 people had higher standards than this

[Anonymous No.19758592]

>>19757401
The cover art gives be "big bush" vibes in all the right ways, will have to check this out. Thanks anon.

>>19758072
Check out some of the short stories of Clark Ashton Smith (start with Abominations of Yondo). They vary widely but quite a few of them deal with demons, cursed temples, evil wizards, and corrupted kings.

I'm not sure in terms of novels, maybe Elric of Melnibone? They're not my favorite but they have a lot of demon/old God themes and many love them.

>>19758237
Go in ready to be confused and you'll be fine. I bounced off it my first time but picked up again and loved it. Half the fun of the books is figuring out what is going on because Wolfe used a really cool "you're reading an interpretation of and interpretation of a future you can't even imagine) writing style

[Anonymous No.19758642]

Give me nautical fantasy. Why does so little of this exist?

[Anonymous No.19758651]

What Joe Abercrombie book should I start with?

[Anonymous No.19758661]

>>19758592
Thanks I’m going to check out the Clark Ashton Smith collections. I also added the Elric saga books to my list.

[Anonymous No.19758662]

B A K K E R
I I
N N
O O

[Anonymous No.19758712]

>>19758651
The blade itself. But its not that great of a series. I like Glotka though he almost makes it worth it. Unironically just read Bakker as annoying as the shills here are, hes the best "le grim dark" around

[Anonymous No.19758725]

>>19758642
>Why does so little of this exist?
Boats are fucking boring.

[Anonymous No.19758728]

>>19758725
Go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.19758755]

>>19758662
YEAH! BAKKER BINO AINO
TRUTH SHINES

[Anonymous No.19758765]

>>19758728
Eat shit retard. There is nothing interesting about fucking boat wars, its just a more contrived version of a regular story.

[Anonymous No.19758769]

>>19756837
>¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.19758776]

>>19758642
One Piece.

[Anonymous No.19758786]

>>19758765
>a regular story.
Retard.

[Anonymous No.19758823]

What are some of the best biology- related scifi?

[Anonymous No.19758827]

>>19758776
BS. I read over 200 one piece chapters and there's little actual naval anything.

[Anonymous No.19758837]

>>19758823
Just watch The Thing.

[Anonymous No.19758840]

>>19758755
Bakkerchads win again!

[Anonymous No.19758967]

I like how all of the Bakker shitposting is now exclusively committed by people who have neither read the books nor have any wish to talk about them.

[Anonymous No.19758980]

>>19758967
I'm not even convinced the books are real desu

[Anonymous No.19759004]

>>19758823
Peter Watts is a marine biologist, so his books are pretty autistic about biology.

[Anonymous No.19759038]

My name is Bakker and I'm here to say
That I'm going to rap in an eliminativist way
Word on the street
Your soul is just meat
Attempts to disprove
Are met with defeat
See it doesn't really matter what you feel
Because your inner experience isn't real
See here's the thing
You're a puppet on a string
Completely enslaved by your conditioning
Its a truth that you can't escape
Man is an ape that's designed to rape
So get this through your head
God is long dead
And neuroscience rises in its stead

[Anonymous No.19759039]

>>19758967
Who the fuck is Bakker?

[Anonymous No.19759044]

>>19758651
Best practice is sticking to publication order since they tend to follow closely in the same continuity.

>>19758712
That's a pretty forced comparison from someone claiming not to be a shill.

[Anonymous No.19759065]

>>19758967
> TRUTH
> SHINES

[Anonymous No.19759082]

>>19758592
thanks for recommend Clark Ashton Smith.. never heard of this guy but I've been in a huge pulp mood lately and he seems good. I'm going through Wagner's Kane novels now that another anon previously linked.

[Anonymous No.19759085]

>>19759039
The conundrum is that if I read him to find out I become one of Them.

[Anonymous No.19759103]

>>19758592
>Go in ready to be confused and you'll be fine
That's good. If not for this suggestion I'm pretty sure I'd get confused, think I'd been filtered and fuck off to something else. Thanks

[Anonymous No.19759113]

>>19759085
You would probably also learn how to write.

[Anonymous No.19759316]

>>19756837
Cringe post.

[Anonymous No.19759354]

> Mods deleting the truth
Truth didn't shine today lads

[Anonymous No.19759373]

>>19759354
Mods=gods
No wonder they can't stand the glory that is Bakker.

[Anonymous No.19759376]

>>19759039
The best living fantasy writer, why?

[Anonymous No.19759391]

>>19759376
Yeah, and Seth MacFarlane is the best living comedy writer. Not really a high bar for anything right now. Everything sucks.

[Anonymous No.19759682]

Some books are just so long that it puts me off from reading them, even if I think I'll enjoy them.

[Anonymous No.19759697]

>>19759682
Welcome to my life with sci fi trilogy series.

[Anonymous No.19759729]

>>19756669
Great stuff. I'm on book 3. It's kinda like a modern Alice in Wonderland.

[Anonymous No.19759785]

>>19759038
girl in the bottom is sucking his curved phallus, what a chad!

[Anonymous No.19759791]

>>19759038
>Man is an ape that's designed to rape
Absolute FIRE, this is a non-pozzed classic.

[Anonymous No.19759797]

>>19759682
Either that or they have fifteen sequels

[Anonymous No.19759805]

>>19759797
look for books that have no sequels or a series that you can read the first book and stop, don't ask here, just go to google and search "pozzed books" and you will find what you want.

[Anonymous No.19759818]

Recommend books where Truth Shines?

[Anonymous No.19759822]

>>19759818
The Prince Of Nothing by King Bakker

[Anonymous No.19759831]

>>19759805
I do this quite often but it's kind of sad that so many good ideas are wasted because publishers realized sequels print money.

[Anonymous No.19759832]

>>19759039
Some literal who shit author.

[Anonymous No.19759856]

>>19759831
I like when a writer just writes different books with different ideas, so I can read the ones I want and leave the others, if its not pozzed I don't read it, non pozzed sequels are not worth the time.

[Anonymous No.19759866]

Does anyone have that science fiction chart, 4 squares and the axis are Dystopian and Utopian plus some other two listing "possible" futures to the world?

[Anonymous No.19759867]

>>19759856
newfag anon... I think you are mixing words up without understanding what they mean, let me help:

Pozzed = bad and unbased
non-pozzed = good and non-unbased

[Anonymous No.19759873]

>>19759867
I'm not like other anons, I like pozzed things

[Anonymous No.19759906]

>>19759873
Reddit is that way --------->

[Anonymous No.19759928]

books with human male female of other species coomer bait?

[Anonymous No.19759930]

>>19759928
Try asking google.

[Anonymous No.19759951]

>>19759928
literotica

[Anonymous No.19759967]

>>19759729
What do you mean by that? Is it heady then?

[Anonymous No.19759972]

>>19753247
>I just finished Book of the New Sun. I feel retarded
You and me both anon. I don’t even get half the memes on the subreddit.

[Anonymous No.19760035]

How much longer before Bakker spamming becomes a bannable offense?

[Anonymous No.19760048]

Should I bother reading any of Gene Wolfe's stuff if I couldn't even get through the first book of Wizard Knight? I found it really dull

[Anonymous No.19760086]

Any books with actual stories that capture the All Tomorrows feel in any way?

[Anonymous No.19760090]

>>19752716
Tolkein's works is good because of the world building, not the actual story or contents of the LotR books.

[Anonymous No.19760159]

What are good SPACE VOYAGE lit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBL9dTwVi4I

[Anonymous No.19760198]

>>19760090
That's just bog standard cope for criticism of Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.19760204]

>>19760090
Bakker's works is good because of the sublime prose, supreme philosophy, deluxe grimdark nihilism and majestic characters.

[Anonymous No.19760209]

>>19759928
This reminded me of the Coomer Lit general here in /lit/ that existed for about a week. Shit was fun, even if I never read any coomer lit myself.

[Anonymous No.19760219]

>>19760198
>no rebuttal, just anger

[Anonymous No.19760240]

>>19760090
The Silmarillion is excellent.

[Anonymous No.19760248]

>>19760240
That's world building, not LotR.

[Anonymous No.19760255]

>>19760248
Nah. It's a collection of stories. Though, yes, it's not LotR.
But if you prefer something more like a typical novel then: The Children of Hurin is excellent.

[Anonymous No.19760266]

The Battle of Hurin's Keep

[Anonymous No.19760267]

>>19760255
Stories that exist to build out the world.

[Anonymous No.19760317]

>halfway through shadow of the torturer
>severian has already contradicted himself post-exile/relocation
Also, this guy's a fucking simp. Falling for every woman who talks to him and then obsessing over them.

[Anonymous No.19760333]

>>19760317
>Falling for every woman who talks to him and then obsessing over them.
just like sandersimps, they read books with women protags!

[Anonymous No.19760522]

recommend books where there is humans that can shape shift to groypers and are rebelling against conservatives inc by sissyfiying ben shapiro and turning him into a cat boy?

[Anonymous No.19760526]

>>19760522
The Darkness That Comes Before

[Anonymous No.19760533]

>>19760317
Severian is an unreliable narrator and those girls were asking for it

[Anonymous No.19760597]

>>19752188Not OP but I loved it

[Anonymous No.19760871]

>>19759391
I wasn't asking.

[Anonymous No.19760882]

Just read Gardens of the Moon. What did I think of it? Not sure I want to read 20k pages more of this.

[Anonymous No.19760893]

>>19760882
2nd book was the best one in the entire series.

1st one doesn't even qualify for top 5. So that's that.

[Anonymous No.19760930]

>>19760882
First is quite seriously a screenplay that was retooled (poorly) in to a novel. The 2nd book is the first one actually written as a book. I dropped the serious are book 5, but there is a jump in quality after the first so if I were you I would make my choice based on the the next one if you want to keep going.

[Anonymous No.19760933]

>>19760930
>I dropped the serious are book 5
I think it is time I went to bed. Night.

[Anonymous No.19760937]

http://poal.me/2hwcet

[Anonymous No.19760938]

Can someone help me remember a book? It's sci fi and I think it's a utopian/dystopian setting. Someone recommended it to me ages ago and with a quick google search with limited parameters it amounted to fuck all. If it helps I think the name of it was a single word with no more than 7 letters. I'm looking at the mega lists right now and can't see it there either.

[Anonymous No.19760943]

>>19760159
>cringe sing-song to promote DLC
I blame Warframe for this.

[Anonymous No.19760950]

>>19760938
There's easily a hundred books with that description.

[Anonymous No.19760958]

>>19760950
You're telling me, man. Another thing that just popped to my head is that maybe it starts with the letter O.

[Anonymous No.19761006]

>>19752722
Children is really the only one from the quatrology that I would dispute being called the best. God Emperor for me, but I respect the original and Messiah a lot for different reasons. Messiah had the additional surprise factor because I didn't know what kind of quality to expect going past the first book.

[Anonymous No.19761009]

>>19753013
Just set your story in the real world jackass.

[Anonymous No.19761013]

>>19753215
I thought the Narnia books were garbage. I got tricked into reading the Magician's Nephew first, which I actually enjoyed a bit, but after slogging through LW&W and Prince Caspian I had to drop the series.

[Anonymous No.19761020]

>>19755093
Reading Tolkein is impressively fresh and unique if it's your first time, regardless of how much other fantasy you've consumed.
And yes having seen the movies won't hurt your enjoyment either. LotR is filled to the brim with soul which permeates every single sentence.

[Anonymous No.19761024]

best standalone books
>less than 500 pages
>made before 1980
>non-American author
?

[Anonymous No.19761032]

>>19761024
Have you tried Bakker yet?

[Anonymous No.19761124]

What's a version of Dune that's unironic

[Anonymous No.19761206]

>>19761124
you mean non-ironic?

[Anonymous No.19761212]

>>19753121
stormlight archive

:^)

[Anonymous No.19761215]

>>19761124
The Darkness That Comes Before by King Bakker

[Anonymous No.19761218]

>>19753224
edgelord kino

[Anonymous No.19761221]

>>19761212
massive pozz system overloaded unbased

[Anonymous No.19761229]

>>19761206
No I mean unironic unless that's ungrammatical in which case I don't care
>>19761215
Thanks fren

[Anonymous No.19761231]

>>19753121
non-sword fantasy

[Anonymous No.19761241]

>>19761229
>Thanks fren
you are welcome my fren(soon to be bakkerchad), get ready to read a non-pozzed book, its filled with philosophy just like Dune, its also Grimdark and nihilistic.

[Anonymous No.19761276]

>>19759866
That sounds boring, here's a couple of better ones (1/2)

[Anonymous No.19761280]

>>19759866
>>19761276
(2/2)

[Anonymous No.19761307]

>>19757051
I only need to read Micheal Shea's stuff, Zothique and Virconium and I'll have read everything on the chart

[Anonymous No.19761411]

What are some cultural/social scifi that has really alien cultures as a part of the focus?

[Anonymous No.19761425]

I wanna be raped by Joachim

[Anonymous No.19761428]

whats a good book if i like klingons
it doesnt have to be star trek

[Anonymous No.19761457]

>>19761280
All of these are awesome but vapor-futurist corporatism is the comfiest.

[Anonymous No.19761505]

>>19761457
gib microinsurgent warzone waifu

[Anonymous No.19761522]

>>19761425
The psychopath prettyboy sharpshooter? Me too man.

[Anonymous No.19761546]

>>19761221
Why

[Anonymous No.19761560]

>>19760882
It gets better.

[Anonymous No.19761646]

>>19755609
d-does this mean hell is real?

[Anonymous No.19761661]

>>19761411
Never read it but I think people say Children of Time is this

[Anonymous No.19761697]

>>19761646
someone was talking about S Craig Zahler's book a while back.. but in his book Corpus Chrome, "hell" sort of exists, and it's like so:

Each person has a physical body on Earth, and a "shadow body" on the Moon. If you kill someone, your shadow body is ejected from the Moon and into the Sun, where it burns for all of eternity. In Zahler's book, a murderer, who eventually dies himself, is brought back to life via mind uploading, and so when he comes back to life he's able to tell everyone about his shadow body experience. it's pretty fucking crazy and Zahler does a great job of describing the torment

[Anonymous No.19761756]

>>19760090
The actual story is very much intertwined with the word building. Unlike most authors he doesn't include world building just for the sake of it, or solely because it is cool and interesting. Everything has a point, including the songs and tom bombadil stuff, even if its only to build a sense of something in the reader.

[Anonymous No.19761770]

>>19753758
I started with Sixteen Ways to defend a walled city.
Quite enjoyed that one

[Anonymous No.19761814]

>>19761646
For (You).

[Anonymous No.19761834]

>>19761756
You're wylin out, coping and seething, making excuses for an author you like because you've been told you have to, not because you actually like him. The story is boring. The worldbuilding is no deeper than anything else that has been thought through enough to make it cohesive. There's no need to keep up this charade.

[Anonymous No.19761851]

>>19752180
i have done nothing but reading books with speaking dragon for past month. I even have dreams about being myself a dragon. I need help

[Anonymous No.19761882]

>>19761834
>The story is boring
What do you mean? I love groups of people with identical personalities endlessly walking through forests and singing songs about irrelevant history tidbits. You just don't understand the immense depths of Tom Bombadil.

[Anonymous No.19761902]

Any good psychedelic fantasy or sci fi? I like Vermillion Sands if that helps

[Anonymous No.19762204]

>>19760219
The rebuttal is world building is the lowest form of story telling. Tolkien has no characters or meaning in any of his stories, just empty escapism. They have the seeming of mythic grandeur without any potentially uncomfortable truths. It's perfect bugman lit. Unironically worse than Harry Potter.

[Anonymous No.19762269]

>>19761834
Worldbuilding doesn't need to be deep to be good. It just has to connect well with the rest of the book. In fact, given the story, it would be worse it he overexplained everything, since it wouldn't add anything to actually reading the books. You have exposed yourself as a contrarian pseud. Not surprising given you’re seething so hard about Tolkien, while desperately pretending you don’t care too much.

[Anonymous No.19762357]

>>19761756
lol? tolkien wrote and imagined his world way before the stories, and has imagined it to an extent which the stories never explore. how is that worldbuilding for the sake of the story and not the opposite? Tom Bombadil he included for the fun of it because he didn't realise how seriously people would take his book. Nor did he even himself realise that he would change the tone of the LOTR books towards the end completely, from a Hobbit adventure in nearby woods into an epic style.

[Anonymous No.19762440]

fuck off lotr is pure kino, assuming you actually have read it and own a copy and aren't just talking about something you know nothing about go read the chapter where aragorn and co discuss terms with the mouth of sauron, i have a physical copy but if someone has a digital copy and can post an excerpt of that that would be great

[Anonymous No.19762480]

>>19762357
>how is that worldbuilding for the sake of the story and not the opposite?
Because all the stuff in his notes and background books doesn't appear in the main stories unless in the aim of something.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3263607-the-fellowship-of-the-ring
>2.5 million ratings
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7332.The_Silmarillion
>250k ratings

Nobody really cares about the 'expanded lore' shit. Tolkien knew that so only included stuff when it was needed or added something to the books. He didn't infodump or overexplain (well, he did but not in the sense modern authors do it).

His overexplaining was going on about the people and the environment. Annoying to some, but still very useful for a reader. Authors now overexplain things that don't even need explained in the first place; magic systems and just how superpowered their superpeople are.

[Anonymous No.19762551]

The opening to God Emperor of Dune is so sick, the D-Wolf chase that is

[Anonymous No.19762557]

>>19762551
I thought it was kinda silly. but yea God Emperor is pretty based

[Anonymous No.19762622]

>>19762557
I don't mind when Frank gets silly, I bust out laughing when they mentioned poison sniffing House Weasels in Children

[Anonymous No.19762697]

>>19762204
trying too hard troon

[Anonymous No.19762748]

>>19762204
>Comes to /SFFG/ and proceeds to tell conasuers of the genre that world building is the lowest level of telling stories
This nigger serious?

[Anonymous No.19762766]

>>19762748
>conasuers
huh? conansuers? cunnysuers? trannysuers? bakkersuers?

[Anonymous No.19762849]

>>19762557
I like how Leto just btfo's everyone with his glorious collection of experiences and memories.
>tfw the Bene Gesserit realize that Leto as the worm is the actual culmination of the Kwisatz Haderach

[Anonymous No.19762893]

>>19762748
There's worldbuilding and there's worldbuilding. Jack Vance achieves more with his worldbuilding in a 20 page short story than Tolkien does in all of LotR.

[Anonymous No.19762980]

>>19762893
You could write 20 pages describing the scenic descriptions of a world using every word in a thesaurus you can possibly look up and it still would be less effort than Tolkien's made up language, something that is next level world building and no author has come close to creating. Get the fuck off my board.

[Anonymous No.19763000]

>>19762980
Stop responding to the shitposter.

[Anonymous No.19763336]

>>19760086
My diary desu.

[Anonymous No.19763675]

>>19761032
Yeah. Not my thing.

[Anonymous No.19763685]

>>19762980
There are a lot of conlangs.

[Anonymous No.19763689]

>>19761024
Do you prefer Fantasy or Science Fiction?

[Anonymous No.19763786]

>>19761902
Cyclonopedia: Complicity with Anonymous Materials

[Anonymous No.19763809]

>>19761902
There’s also the three stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. If the first one isn’t up to your liking.

[Anonymous No.19763851]

What’s with the recent hate with Tolkien? I know most of it is just contrarians, but why now?

[Anonymous No.19763862]

>>19763851
better late than never

[Anonymous No.19763865]

>>19763851
Retards trying to shill their failed authors, by trying to bring down the grandfather of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19763866]

>>19763851
it's mostly discord trannies having a raid like this cuck here >>19763862

[Anonymous No.19763875]

New thread
>>19763871

[Anonymous No.19763882]

>>19763865
>bring down the grandfather of fantasy
Dunsany?

[Anonymous No.19763889]

>>19763882
not gay fairytail shit so no

[Anonymous No.19763952]

>>19763889
>not gay fairytail shit so no
Like the Hobbit?

[Anonymous No.19763961]

>>19763952
exactly. Imagine author only writing Hobbit, that's what Dunsany was

[Anonymous No.19764652]

>>19762748
It is though. I read Alastair Reynolds and Vernor Cringe for muh world building, but I admit they're awful hack writers. To say otherwise is to adopt a child's view of literature.