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[Anonymous No.19756337]

What was his deal? Nazi or not?

[Anonymous No.19756342]

Yes, he was a registered member of the NSDAP. The better question is why aren't you a Nazi?

[Anonymous No.19756344]

>>19756337
Being a Nazi simply meant someone was a member of the Nazi Party. It was not a big deal.

[Anonymous No.19756400]

>>19756342
i keep trying to register but all i've managed to sign up for is non stop double anal penetration. shouldn't have used mom's credit card

[Anonymous No.19756413]

>>19756342
I'm just asking if he it was in his philosophy, thats it

[Anonymous No.19756449]

>>19756413
Yes, read the 1933 rectorial address and the Black Notebooks, or some book like Heidegger's Roots or Heidegger's Volk. Skip the 1980s/1990s between people like Ott and Wolin over whether Heidegger was fascist, they overcomplicate it and they pre-date the publication of the Black Notebooks. He obviously was and it made perfectly fine sense.

[Anonymous No.19756463]

Afaik, he was an actual Nazi during the early days of the movement, but become disillusioned with it quickly.

[Anonymous No.19756692]

No.
His philosophy can't be described with national socialism.

[Anonymous No.19756789]

>>19756337
>Nazi or not?
Nazi, although by the modern understanding of the term, you have to agree that he was "the least worst nazis possible." Whatever that's worth.
>>19756337
> What was his deal?
He was an opportunistic creep. A very brilliant opportunistic creep, however. I personally do not like or agree with the finer points of his philosophy, but I don't see why you should read B&T in light of his nazism rather than on its own.
He seemingly *was* racist in his own personal writings, but it doesn't really come across as the kind of demonic racism that would lead one to stoke the ovens, more like the weird attitude of Lovecraft who constantly made antisemitic quips despite marrying a jewish woman and reportedly being absolutely horrified at learning of the treatment of jews by nazi germany.

[Anonymous No.19756816]

>>19756789
I think he was probably an opportunistic creep, especially after reading Jaspers' correspondence with him (or rather Jaspers' periodic attempts to ask him why he discontinued correspondence after years of friendship). Despite all the liberal kvetching over his attitude to Jewish colleagues, he was actually more of an asshole than he needed to be to his Jewish colleagues, even if he chose politically to support Hitler. There is something off about the man in general.

But he didn't gravitate to Nazism because he was an opportunist or careerist, he fully supported it philosophically, or rather he supported what it philosophically represented. His entire late philosophy (1930s onwards, pre-Nazi too) can be read as calling for a rupture which modern techne-societies that allows for a new clearing. The Nazis were one possible vehicle to this and they disappointed him, that's all.

[Anonymous No.19756923]

>>19756899
I meant "even if" like: "even if one is antisemitic for political and philosophical reasons, one doesn't have to be a total asshole." Schmitt seems to have been less of an asshole despite being, in some ways, more of a general asshole.

For me friendship comes over everything and you always owe your friend an explanation even if you do choose to part with him for tragic but necessary reasons. So I have a hard time understanding Heidegger's behavior to his former friends and colleagues. The Jaspers correspondence made me very sad. But I suppose I don't know all the details.

I can almost understand the drama with Husserl, because from what I can tell, Husserl was autistic and overbearing and maybe there was more friction between them. But I still don't think that justifies what happened to Husserl.

[Anonymous No.19757151]

Of course he was and his philosophy only leads to the vitalistic völkisch spirit of National Socialism as it is promised before it gets attacked by capitalist anglos and bolshevik russians.

People are just so hell bent on perceiving National Socialism as some freak incident where all of Denker und Dichter Germany became drunk on evil for a dozen years to give the west the ebin movie villain. They don't want to understand the spirit and instead hold on to jewish concentration camp rollercoaster and human lamps stories.
You will not understand Heidegger if you are not inclined to National Socialism. Heidegger got disillusioned with the Hitler regime not with national Socialism.

[Anonymous No.19757156]

>>19757151
This. Even his student Leo Strauss, famous Jewish apologist for Israel, said "if I hadn't been a Jew, I would have been a National Socialist."

[Anonymous No.19757620]

Every reasonable person in Germany was a nazi during the 1930s

[Anonymous No.19758899]

>>19757151
What of Heidegger have you read

[Anonymous No.19758920]

>>19757620
Only because the truly reasonable people left

[Anonymous No.19758972]

Heidegger wrote privately that Jews are anti-Dasein, meaning, I think, that they do not orient themselves in a phenomenological sense of being-in-the-world; but live by systems of finance and value that little to do with direct experience.

I thought this myself in that most Jew surnames are of things like metals, jewels, mountains, red shields etc., objects evoking grandeur, whereas a lot of European names are traits or work roles; implying action, being-in-world etc.

Just a thought. That doesn’t mean to say he aligned with every natsoc issue but maybe he saw a chance to put forward his philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19759067]

>>19758972
Jews, along with Christians (who Heidegger also resented quite a bit), express a “productionist metaphysics” where the world is molded/created, and all of the things in the world are created as well - for humans to use and exploit. This line of thought leads to technological ge-stell, where everything is turned into standing-reserve, a resource to be manipulated and used. This is why he hated “Jewishness” and certain lines of Christian thinking.

[Anonymous No.19759112]

>>19759067
I do remember something about that from questions concerning technology, iirc, interesting, I’ll have to read him again at some point.

[Anonymous No.19759147]

>>19756337
This thread again. Yes, he was a nazi. Nietzsche was as well, but just less blatant, so he can be discarded as well. In fact, discard the entirety of German philosophy, they all have this weird fascist spirit to them, read French philosophy instead, which is infinitely better.

[Anonymous No.19759161]

>>19756449
No he wasn't. He was generally ostracized from the core nazi party.

[Anonymous No.19759182]

>>19759112
There’s also interpretations of Heidegger’s philosophy as essentially “Hebrew” as well funnily enough

Not very farfetched when you take into account Heidegger’s interest in the Early Christian Church and Paul of Tarsus, the apocalyptic tone of his writings/lectures, and the influence he exerted on people like Levinas

[Anonymous No.19759185]

>>19759067
You haven't read much Heidegger have you?

[Anonymous No.19759190]

>>19759185
I have, I’m just recapitulating Zimmerman’s take

[Anonymous No.19759238]

>>19756337
>Good morning class! Welcome to 20th Century Philosohy! I want you to turn to Page 3 of the course Syllabus and note that we will be reading Lenin's 'State and Revolution' -- how exciting!
>Beforehand, though, we will read Marx's 'Communist Manifesto,' though I am sure many of you already have, at the least, a familiarity with this work
>We will also be discussing Sartre and his Marxist humanism. We will spend at least two weeks discussing this subject matter -- please prepare accordingly.
>If we have time -- and I REALLY want to fit this in -- we will try to read excerpts from Engel's 'Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State.'
>Notice too -- we will be discussing Martin Heidegger's 'Being and Time,' but we must spend AT LEAST 2 classes discussing the extreme dangers of Martin Heidegger's Nazi background and, more importantly, the question of whether universities should continue teaching him. Martin Heidegger was a proponent of Nazism, an authoritarian ideology which resulted in the deaths of millions. This will be very heavy, but we must confront this subject. I was inclined to leave Heidegger out completely -- I may do so next semester.
>Oh, I almost forgot -- we'll studying Wilhelm Reich, too!

[Anonymous No.19759259]

>>19759238
kek

[Anonymous No.19759792]

I read the Question Concerning Technology and I couldn't tell he was a nazi

[Anonymous No.19760249]

>>19756692
Did you read Being and Time? The whole last section is about how his philosophy leads to the notion that people from the same culture and heritage have a common spirit and fate.

[Anonymous No.19760268]

>>19759238
I actually had a class JUST like this.
>professor is big into marx and sartre
>teaches existentialism
>he is only person in the department who is qualified to teach heidegger
>”UhHhH, I tHiNk We MiGhT sKiP hEiDeGgEr ThIs SeMeStEr”
>raise my hand and object
>after class I get an email for a meeting
>in the meeting he asks if I am being radicalized online and tells me to be careful with what I read and who I valorize
>mfw

[Anonymous No.19760280]

>>19760268
Nazi punks fuck off!!

[Anonymous No.19760285]

>>19760280
Can you people think outside of pop culture mind rot? Star Wars. Harry Potter. Shitty punk music from the 1980s. Really sad.

[Anonymous No.19760301]

>>19760280
I usually don't care about nazis nor commies nor anything of that shit, but there's something about that chant that I just love. Whenever I hear it I just want to go out and punch some smug nazis. NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFFFF!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.19760320]

>>19760285
No. We're the cool kids. Your side may have the money and the military, but we have culture and passion. You won't shame us into feel ashamed of our strength. Harry Potter and Star Wars are a bit played out and lame though, but punk is awesome.

[Anonymous No.19760383]

>>19760320
punk is right wing now, kiddo

[Anonymous No.19760394]

>>19760383
nazi punks FUCK OFFFFFFF

[Anonymous No.19760398]

>>19760383
Keep telling yourself that. Now that leftism is hegemonic, being a conservative is the new punk rock!, right? That shit will never happen, boomer. Kids will keep rebelling by leaning even more to the left. It has always been the case. Conservatives are the only ones naive enough to think the pendulum must come back at some point. Look at history after the french revolution. There may be a misstep here and there, but the compass keep moving to the left and there's nothing you can do about it. All your money, all your power means nothing when we have culture on our side.

[Anonymous No.19760440]

>>19760320
There is no culture. Your passion is fuel by anti-depressants and other drugs. Punk is dead and you know nothing about music. And you're a fucking dweeb.

[Anonymous No.19760502]

>>19760440
Don't care. We're still winning and our wishes, unlike ours, get written as law sooner or later, so you will have to follow them anyway. And even if you remain loyal to your ideas in your mind, your children won't. Look at Ted Cruz's daughter. We already won.

[Anonymous No.19760598]

>>19758972

[Anonymous No.19760606]

>>19760598
Heidegger is the only philosopher I like (for obvious reasons) and I still can't understand anything of what he says.

[Anonymous No.19760710]

>>19760502
>>19760398
classic commie/nazi, getting all wet thinking about coercion
culture is on the side of liberty, it will take time and effort but humanity will be ridden of government before the end of the century or it will be destroyed

[Anonymous No.19760819]

>>19756337
he was a pseude, read Carnap

[Anonymous No.19760824]

]>>19760606
pathetic

[Anonymous No.19760837]

>>19760819
>read the guy that couldnt learn esperanto after 10 years of trying

[Anonymous No.19760838]

>>19760837
At least he wasn't a nazi.

[Anonymous No.19760846]

>>19760606
I guess its fair to linke someone without having read him
the short explanation is that the goal of every human is to reach authenticity, which in german would be eingenheitlicheit i think, being-your-own, similar as what kierkegaard wrote just without the explicit need of a God

Jews made it their task out of their hate for the gentiles and christians to destroy their selfhood, by promoting pornography, smut, degeneracy, homosex and troons. A tranny is the opposite end of an authentic person, while their twisted brain actually believes that the mangled body and soul is "what they really want" and "their true self".

>>19760838
Nothing wrong with being a nazi in nazi germany desu

[Anonymous No.19760854]

>>19760598
In his Question concerning Technology Heidegger talks how we lost our original way of thinking in technology. The river Rhine became a tool to power a hydroplant, a forest became a logging site, and humanity became human resources and in the modern age especially they are ad feeding machines. We lost our connection to being itself, if you want to go that way thats whats Baudrillard also talks about.
Heidegger thinks that the Jews use this for their own gain and existence, from the medieval usury to modern basedboyification

[Anonymous No.19760920]

>>19760854
Disappointing. So he’s basically /pol/ with a more intellectual swing to it?

[Anonymous No.19760969]

>>19757151
>ignores the fact that left-Heideggerians have been infinitely more productive and fertile than right-Heideggerians (seriously, name three)
>ignores the fact that there is a pervasive Kierkegaardian individualist strand in Heidegger that does nothing but screech autistically and angrily at the very core of national socialist ideology
Like a NAZI BOSS my man, epic based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.19761188]

>>19760969
>leftist/liberal coping regarding Heidegger and Nietzsche is good philosophy
Lol

[Anonymous No.19761347]

>>19756342
I havent been able to reach the party office for any kind of correspondence. If I could I would go there to sign up and get my party member card, but until I am able to I will have to settle for just being an external proponent.

[Anonymous No.19761353]

>>19760268
Careful anon, in the gulag archipelogo solzhenitsyn describes many situation where the stasi "arrested" people by inviting them to "meetings". Communists are not to be trifled with, they are a deadly serious opponent and should not be taken lightly.

[Anonymous No.19762020]

>>19757151
Why do Nazis who arent even German always post this same image kek
Too scared to show club foot Goebbles, fatass Goering, chinless Moltke, and so forth?

[Anonymous No.19762027]

>>19758972
Jewish surnames were assigned to them, it's not something they picked lmao. Why the fuck do you think they got names like Fleischfresser (carnivore), Klein (small), even Luegner (liar) was a surname assigned to Jews

[Anonymous No.19762033]

>>19760268
Kek god damn. I had a Communist philosophy professor who supported BLM and defunding the police and shieeeet and even he taught us Heidegger.

[Anonymous No.19762061]

Thoughts on Peter Sloterdijk???
It is shocking how based and redpilled he is in his writings considering that he lives in Germany in the current year and he hasn't been cancelled or anything.

[Anonymous No.19762136]

>>19762061
I think the reason’s he’s not cancelled yet is that otherwise Germany would have 0 living philosophers; and that scenario absolutely terrifies the feuilletonists.
Also hardly anybody even knows the content of his Philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19762156]

>>19762136
>otherwise Germany would have 0 living philosophers
Well they would still have the gay liberal philosopher Habermas

[Anonymous No.19762410]

>>19760969
Heidegger literally despised all your "left-Heideggerians". There are plenty of statements of his that you can find regarding this.
>>19762020
I am literally Swabian kek
But yes, you can't be a (german) National Socialist unless you are German.
>>19758899
A lot.

[Anonymous No.19762439]

Mandatory

[Anonymous No.19762560]

>>19760280
It's becoming more popular. More people are looking for stability, structure, order and safety. It will be like the fall of thr Weimar.

It used to be you could not find enough people to discuss these beliefs in a positive light, now we do. Openly.

[Anonymous No.19762579]

>>19760301

[Anonymous No.19762606]

>>19757151
> Literally steals everything he writes about from a Danish Christian Existentialist and a former Austrian Jew-turned-Protestant phenomenologist.
> BUT YOU NEED TO BE A NAZI TO UNDERSTAND HEIDI
Jesus fucking Christ are you ever retarded.

[Anonymous No.19762633]

>>19762606
>what is Geschick

[Anonymous No.19762686]

>>19756337
>What was his deal? Nazi or not?
Define "Nazi".

Did he believe that Jews have a genetic predisposition to be what their stereotypes held? No, he didn't.
Did he believe that a collectivistic and totalitarian ideology, centralized around a national culture, to be the answer against nihilism? Yes, he did.
>>19760301
>NAZI PUNKS
Oxymoron.
I find it amusing how leftists try to turn left-wing concepts that the right abhors into right-wing ones.

[Anonymous No.19762816]

>>19762686
>>NAZI PUNKS
>Oxymoron.
>I find it amusing how leftists try to turn left-wing concepts that the right abhors into right-wing ones.

Punk is inherently counter-culture. You can not be a rebel/punk when every government, corperation, company, media group, movie, song, tv show, streaming service, fast food chain, restaurant, celebrity, artist, polititian agrees with you.

[Anonymous No.19762872]

>>19762633
>he unironically thinks that the historical a priori is an absolutized monolith
just stop

[Anonymous No.19762880]

>>19762872
What?

[Anonymous No.19762882]

>>19762816
>he thinks the government is in favor of anarchy because they let gays marry
>he thinks corporations are in favor of mutual aid because they have advertisements with queers
>he thinks fast-food chains are in favor of workers rights because they make epic tweets
You're suffering from brain rot my man, lay off the internet for a while.

[Anonymous No.19762910]

>>19762880
Try defining the terms one at a time, maybe with pen and paper if you find it very difficult.

[Anonymous No.19762932]

>>19762910
You’re using hegelian words like ”absolutized”, I don’t understand the connection to Heidegger

[Anonymous No.19762985]

>>19762932
Indeed. It would seem that a facile understanding of Geschick invites Hegelian lingo.
The clue is clear as day, it would seem.

[Anonymous No.19763137]

>>19762633
Husserl's Kultural Ego.

[Anonymous No.19763161]

>>19762882
Because they dont match your politics 100% does not mean they are not 'in your camp'. The overarching narrative the West is under directed by the West.

[Anonymous No.19763184]

>>19763161
>the west is under is directed by the Far-Left.

[Anonymous No.19763211]

>>19762816
> Love for one's place of origin
"but let's proceed to ruin Europe!"
> Desire for justice
what?
> Rejection of weakness
Unchristian.
> Immunity to liberal programming
*invents modern propaganda*
> Healthy sexuality
"Those roving gangs of sadistic homosexuals sure look like they'd make good soldiers!"
> Respect for culture and aesthetics
"Let's destroy that pinnacle of civilization, culture, art and sophistication, France"
> Knowledge of the truth
"let's reject the greatest mind since Plato, Husserl, because he was Jewish, and replace him by his retarded creepy assistant."
> Masculinity
Cross-dressing beta males hooked on meth.
> Disdain for Stasis
?
> Passion for righteous violence
Unchristian
> Opposition to materialism
Good, but you justify it in the most retarded ways, and confound different concepts of materialism together.
> Dreams of purification
Cope of the unclean.
> Freedom from degeneracy
And again. Cross-dressing sadistic homosexuals.
> And last but not least
Cross-dressing sadistic homosexuals. On meth. It cannot be said enough times.

[Anonymous No.19763297]

>>19763211
Those were the Weimar Era Wild Boy Gangs, you know this, they were part of the reason people celebrated and accepted Hitler and his party in to power. For you to potray them as Nazis is a great slue to your people who died in the camps.

https://crimereads.com/the-wild-boy-gangs-of-weimar-berlin/

We're close to repeating history.

[Anonymous No.19763701]

>>19762061
Very based.
Been reading him for two years now and already on my 10th+ book by him. Coincidentally it's "nicht gerettet" on Heidegger.
Sloterdijks ontology especially in Spheres is decidedly Heiddeggerian and it goes through all his work.

[Anonymous No.19764051]

>>19756337
Jussy destroyer

[Anonymous No.19764268]

>>19759067
>Christians (who Heidegger also resented quite a bit)
Wasn't Heidegger Catholic on at least a cultural level?

[Anonymous No.19764314]

>>19764268
Jorge Rivera, who was the most important heideggerian academic in the hispanic world, was very christian, and he says that when he met Heidegger he asked him about a conflict he had between pursuing his faith or philosophy, and Heidegger was very kind and told him that there was no need to be in conflict, since faith gives us the certainty we need to pursue philosophy with a clear and open mind. Apparently he told the exact same thing to a famous theologian as well, but can't remember the name.
This doesn't mean he was necessarily a christian, but at least he was very respectful of it.

[Anonymous No.19764579]

>>19757156
Source?? I’ve read a lot of Strauss, but never seen this before

[Anonymous No.19764610]

>>19763297
>This led him to Christine Fournier, a journalist who had just done a lengthy piece on the gangs in Carl von Ossietzky’s renowned left-wing journal Die Weltbühne.

> These wild boys served as the grunt troops of the grown-up underworld, robbing and pleasuring the citizenry of the demimonde. But after plying their trade in the city’s nocturnal dives, they would retreat to their forest lair, where they created their own culture in defiance of all adult authority.

>The mainstays of wild gang culture were sex and violence, often combined. To become a full-fledged member, one had to go under a “baptism.” Fistfights and knife fights would kick things off, followed by acts of sado-sexual exhibition such as timed masturbation, gang rape, and coprophagy. Newcomers were often bound, smeared with piss and shit, then tied to trees and penetrated with homemade dildos carved from tree limbs.

>Afterward, the whole gang, initiates and veterans alike, would celebrate with a drunken orgy. As for the more routine acts of sexual congress among the already inducted, these always occurred on the hallowed Stoßsofa, or “fucking couch.”

>The gangs’ distinctly gay, woodsy ethos
> flourishing of gay culture across Germany, particularly in Berlin. The relatively permissive sexual climate of the city in the twenties (even though homosexual acts were still illegal), along with its many gay and lesbian bars and clubs, drew sex tourists like writers W.H. Auden, Stephen Spender, and Christopher Isherwood, for whom “Berlin meant boys.

[Anonymous No.19764647]

>>19764610
Somehow my first impulse is to actally think this group is pretty chad unlike american homosexuals who just hide in bathhouses.