Did you try to like your own country's literature but couldn't like it no matter what ?

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Did you try to like your own country's literature but couldn't like it no matter what ? Anonymous Thu Jan 20 09:57:02 2022 No.19779166 [Reply] [Original]

I honestly tried and gave it more than one shot , it just doesn't engage me at all. The only thing i enjoy reading in my language is the bible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 09:58:35 2022 No.19779169 >>19779166 Depends on where you come from I'd say. Where you from op, azerbaidjan? India? USA?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 09:59:00 2022 No.19779171 >>19779166 What is your country for reference so I can recommend good works from there. I'm American, so I never have to worry about this problem.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 09:59:11 2022 No.19779173 >>19779166 I enjoy my country's literature provided I'm not reading something contemporary. Everything 200 years old and older is OK

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 09:59:47 2022 No.19779177 I didn't even tried.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:01:37 2022 No.19779188 >>19779169 I'm Brazilian , you can recommend me Portuguese authors as well if you know good ones. Just don't recommend Saramago please , i read his "Siege if Lisbon" and somewhat enjoyed it but his other ones i hated it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:02:40 2022 No.19779195 >>19779171 My favorite American author is kinda cliche really , Cormac McCarthy

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:09:46 2022 No.19779232 >>19779177 What country are you anon ? I'm Brazilian

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:10:54 2022 No.19779237 >>19779188 Brazilian sounds rough, southern american in general. Then again, you are probably a pseudo macho asshole anyway, as its sadly cultural with you people, so you'd only pretend to read anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:12:32 2022 No.19779240 >>19779237 Umm , not macho at all anon , though i only like pussy. Brazil have a lot more faggots than you or anyone else imagine to be honest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:16:42 2022 No.19779250 >>19779240 Pseudo macho, as I said, your comment confirms it. Must suck to be shaped by a mutt culture like that. Like a lighter shade of African basically.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:17:05 2022 No.19779252 File: 1.71 MB, 1000x3100, New Project.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19779166 I like my country's literature.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:26:13 2022 No.19779281 >>19779166 I like American lit from around 1850-1959 Can’t stand fast food or American pop music or Marvel movies though

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:30:19 2022 No.19779290 imagine not being french

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:31:14 2022 No.19779294 >>19779188 >t. xenophiliac clown who doesn't know any of his country's literature. There are numerous great authors, but you probably find them too hard/got filtered by having to read them in literature class.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:33:14 2022 No.19779300 On the topic of Brazilian lit, machado de Assis’ book Memoirs of Bras Cubas is pretty bad. I wonder if it’s the translation or if it’s just the book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:34:22 2022 No.19779303 >>19779300 What did you dislike? It is quite a slog at some points.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:37:11 2022 No.19779310
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>>19779166
what country, OP?
I don't have problem engaging in a story written in my native language as long as the authors are good. I don't quite enjoy nonfiction written in my language, though. Especially if it's translation

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:37:39 2022 No.19779314 >>19779290 Hé, cela ne pourrait pas être moi, pour être desu

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:38:34 2022 No.19779315 >>19779290 J'habite en France mais je suis fier d'être Russe plutôt que Français.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:42:09 2022 No.19779327

>>19779303
I only read 110 pages before shelving it. I wasn’t finding it very funny or deep, which is what the preface promised: more or less a comic philosophical treatise that describes itself as a novel. This is a bad criticism, but something about it struck me as akin to Reddit humor. It tried to have that obnoxious but fun charm of Rabelais, Quixote, Sterne, but fails.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:43:48 2022 No.19779328 File: 47 KB, 443x693, images (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19779188 i really liked this one, but i don't know how enjoyable it is in native language. Some Portuguese anon said it's difficult and hated it, though

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:45:21 2022 No.19779331

Yes, I live in India but I just cannot get into Indian lit. It's all about the caste system and farmers and other "indian" things. I'm a NEET who has no exposure to anything besides American and Japanese culture. So i read Japanese and American lit lel

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:46:27 2022 No.19779336 >>19779327 >didn't read all of it and criticizes It is not that, though. It's the quite shallow life of a "cynical" man. So, yeah, not great. Try Quincas Borba next. Most of his novels are very down to earth, so to speak.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:47:00 2022 No.19779339 >>19779188 >I'm Brazilian Fuck you, OP. I could see it coming (Self-hate is a classic brazilian trait).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:49:10 2022 No.19779354 >>19779336 I'll give that one a go. I had heard great things about Assis so am willing to give him another try. Also, I think reading half the book is enough to decide whether I want to complete it or not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:49:33 2022 No.19779357 Capitães da Areia - Jorge Amado Grande Sertão: Veredas - Guimarães Rosa (very heavy read) Dom Casmurro - Machado de Assis Here's three greats.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:50:48 2022 No.19779364 american literature is actually my favorite, and im american. so no problem there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:50:51 2022 No.19779366 >>19779354 Also, translation might've mangled most of the humor. There's some great jokes in it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:52:02 2022 No.19779373 >>19779339 Seeing people hating on our own culture because of xenophilia and stupidity makes me wince.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:54:12 2022 No.19779381 >>19779339 Uhh , i wouldn't say i hate it , I'm just indifferent towards it , though God knows i tried not to be. Should I like my country's culture just because it's my country independent of what i really think of it ? Am i an ant or a person ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:55:39 2022 No.19779385 >>19779328 Thanks anon , I'm going to pick it up and try it. I quite like my own language though not so much the literature in it.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:56:59 2022 No.19779388
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In terms of modern-to-contemporary era literature, yeah it's been a struggle. As you would expect from a post-colonial country, the commonly hailed books contain a lot of humanitarian, sentimental to a spielbergian degree, very influenced by lite-communism, naive calls for a more lax westernized bon vivant life under the "one world, one nation, one love" banner of bs, sometimes with some magical realism involved. I understand why these works have resonated for so many people, but their limited scope and quite frankly borderline insulting manipulation of the population's general spirits is ultimately exasperating. It's not necessarily the authors' fault, it was an emotional reaction to the unrest that they witnessed and how it hurt them, but its presentation and its treatment by those who were supposed to carry the torch made it all the more nauseating, and the fact that these were mainly written by diaspora who left their country of origin to live in their colonist's land so they can daydream about the good old days without doing much to contribute to the cause that they so deeply cherished in their writings is another element of repulsion for me.
Whereas the latinos were bold and laid down fiery writings that didn't sacrifice the lucidity of a thousand yard stare, and kept the balls of internal identity rolling, our guys were impotent. Where did the mysticism go?
I'll also mention that the lack of studious critics and abstract theorists was fatal as well.
They missed the heart of the matter by many miles, and worst of all, they pointed the finger at the wrong reasons. Being exposed to this climate in the context of severely misguided university students as well as "intellectual" who are merely propagating the status-quo without realizing it was a frustrating experience for me and many others, but on the flip side, hopefully, this disillusion has planted the seeds that will grow from our soil into the sharp swords of nature that will pierce the veil and bring times of greater clarity. I sincerely hope that someone out there will take that torch and do it while transcending silly labels such as "reactionary" and whatnot. A grassroots type of intelligentsia. We must not let the alternative approach to life be completely eclipsed and swallowed by the beige beast.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:57:04 2022 No.19779390 >>19779381 >trying to reason xenophilia Go read the greats. You just don't know anything.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:58:29 2022 No.19779395

I'm American, but I'm also a 2nd gen immigrant (i.e. my parents weren't born here); the people I come from were illiterate for most of their history. I have read some of their oral literature but I haven't ever really sat down and committed to seriously studying it (I should though). Other than that the rest is either purely academic or political/historical which isn't that interesting to me (I could get that stuff in English obviously). I should try to read that stuff though, I'm so American that I barely know anything about my heritage, lmao.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 10:59:08 2022 No.19779397 >>19779188 There is this author called joaquim machado de assis, read his book, memories of a small winner

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:03:03 2022 No.19779415 >>19779395 >I'm so American that I barely know anything about my heritage, lmao The American way!

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:05:04 2022 No.19779423

>>19779381
You just said your favorite writer is Cormac McCarthy, nigger. Can you get plebier?
Do you even read?
Do you write sometimes?
Who is your favorite poet?

Answer these questions an then we'll see if your opinion is worth taking seriously or if you're just another sweet summer child.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:06:05 2022 No.19779426 >>19779315 >tier-mondiste arriéré fier patriote de son état nation militaro-mafieux je l'avais pas vu venir celle-là

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:09:54 2022 No.19779448 >>19779423 My favorite AMERICAN author is him for sure , but absolute favorite is Michel Houellebecq. Favorite poet is Baudelaire

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:16:03 2022 No.19779474 >>19779290 la risée de l'europe. quelle fierté, en effet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:16:06 2022 No.19779476 >>19779448 >Houellebecq Even worse KEK

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:17:13 2022 No.19779480 >>19779476 Why ? Don't you think he's good ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:24:07 2022 No.19779513 >>19779232 I'm brazilian too. But I'm planning to give Alvares de Azevedo and Murilo Rubião a try. I'm a science fiction/horror/fantasy enthusiast. Brazil doesn't produce authors on these genres.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:25:29 2022 No.19779514 File: 366 KB, 1170x1699, 667E1499-60B8-4496-BD11-53AC4C6A5B5F.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19779188 Have you read this?

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:26:48 2022 No.19779518

>>19779448
>My favorite AMERICAN author is him for sure
Even then.
You've been 4CHANNED beyond belief!
I'll bully you to oblivion until you start knowing your own culture and heritage instead of being bashed by the Monroe Doctrine and even being proud about that.
In an eventual new government I would give you THE ROPE, for falling for these jewANGLO tricks.

Now I'm gonna go to the beach sip some "caipirinhas" and contemplate "bunda".
So long, anon.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:27:07 2022 No.19779523

>>19779166
I am Polish, and I enjoy reading the works of Polish nationalists (endeks) and conservatives. One I find most interesting is Koneczny. I never got to study the works of the Polish bards in school (mickiewicz, słowacki, krasiński) due to being a part of the diaspora (I know it's a cliché) and neither do I intend on reading them since I don't enjoy poetry in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:27:10 2022 No.19779525 Yes, Finland has no culture

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:30:48 2022 No.19779544 >>19779331 Have you read Rushdie? I think his experience living in Anglo countries and his talent has allowed him to surpass traditional Indian tropes to just write stories that explore Man rather than just the Indian man.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:32:23 2022 No.19779551 File: 17 KB, 460x464, 6987C410-03A6-44E1-970D-C8621D78D2EA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19779364 Same here, m8. Feels good

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:36:39 2022 No.19779563 >>19779448 yeah there's a lot of homogenization going on in your mind there, but i'll assume that you're at an early age and you still have time to grow. don't waste it on pedaling memes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:37:34 2022 No.19779567 >>19779514 Fun fact, Guimarães Rosa overviewed the translations into several languages

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:38:23 2022 No.19779573 >>19779480 No, he really isn’t. Maybe is themes are relevant, but he is as mediocre a writer as it gets.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:39:23 2022 No.19779577 >>19779567 But is it good? I want to read it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:40:49 2022 No.19779584 >>19779577 Yeah, it's great. Extremely heavy read in the original, he probably kept it like that too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:42:08 2022 No.19779588 >>19779188 I knew it. Just emigrate filisteu filho da puta

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:44:01 2022 No.19779597 >>19779480 very middle of the road, stating the obvious kind of writer

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 11:45:41 2022 No.19779603 >>19779588 i think he's just a teenager. if that's the case, give him a break.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 15:22:53 2022 No.19780707 >>19779310 based indonesianbro

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 15:25:19 2022 No.19780722 >>19779166 Same. I find German so sterile as a longform language. I love German poetry and lyrics, but hate the books. The only German books I've enjoyed have been translated in from other languages.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 17:27:23 2022 No.19781299 >>19780722 Cringe. Read some Kleist, Böll, Kafka, Sebald, Frisch (I know he's Swiss but it's still in German)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 17:44:41 2022 No.19781408 >>19779166 Luckily Romania has great literature so I never had this issue.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:04:38 2022 No.19781496
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>>19779188
HAHAHA, I saw it coming. I am also a Brazilian.

Listen here boy, you will not get anything out of that high class mulato Lord De Assis or that fucking Graciliano Ramos Vidas Secas (Barren Lives). Maybe you will understand them when you grow up.

I'm going to say this right now:

you are better off reading the Russians. Yes, the fucking russians, Dosto, Tolstoy, Gogol, 'Oblomov', Turgenev, Leskov, etc...

Then you can make the jump toward other great G*rmans and maybe British authors. I'm talking about Hesse, Heidegger, etc...

You can even start reading the other 'outliers' guys, you know that one that bent the lesbian heart of Maria Nys ? Aldous Huxley.
There is also Guenon, I wouldnt recommend Evola too much, nor the other schizophrenics like Serrano.

Nothing from Japan, Korea, or Chink shit. Unless you like mutilated garbage novels and writing, you will have to dig a lot to read anything decent by them.

I'm hiding a lot here, I don't want to share stuff with the plebs of lit here. There is also the Nordics. You need to explore words.

Unless using portuguese for fucking University,
learn English, german, french, etc..

A word to the wise is to also stop coming and visiting 4chan, hell forget about this whole national internet or whatever the fuck this is.

That being said, all of this is useless. NO ONE WILL CARE ABOUT YOU IF YOU DIE POOR INSIDE THIS SHITHOLE.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:07:16 2022 No.19781507 >>19779166 It doesn't help that most writers in my country re hardcore leftists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:11:30 2022 No.19781529 >>19779474 Camus c'est la risée de l'Europe? Celine? Proust? Houellebecq? Huysmans? Zola? Voltaire? Victor Hugo? Dumas? C'est vrai que la France de ce siècle est lamentable mais de là à dire que c'est la risée de l'Europe come on

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:14:22 2022 No.19781546 >>19779290 Whenever I read most French authors it feels like something is going over my head, I can't understand what the author is trying to do. Houellebecq and Dumas were fine, but Camus, Flaubert, and Celine left me confused. Not french though.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:22:31 2022 No.19781595 [DELETED]

>>19781496
Also, do not mingle yourself with the putrid modern culture of Brazil. You can feel the corruption of universities and workplaces growing inside this hellhole. Unless you want to literally become a beta bitch inside twitter, reddit or whatever the fuck.
Schools and University are literally cancer. Choose your degree and life-prospects wisely.
They will be infinitely more important than philosophy right now. (assuming you are still young)

Wake up and smell the coffee.

If any Russian appears here:

I dont want to insult you Russians or whatever. We also have rigged elections here in Serbia you could say and Life and standard of living isnt that diffrent. I really think you guys are exagarating it while it isnt perfect it isnt as bad as some of you faggots keep crying. i see liberals here cry so fucking much too and they are pretending like its auchwitz. Dont get me wrong its shit but they like to pretend its 10000 times worse than it really is. It seems to me its like that in Russia. We also have government corruption like you so we arent that diffrent. I think people in Serbia,Russia and other East European countries are too much of fucking drama queens. thats just my opinion bye.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:25:29 2022 No.19781623

>>19781529
camus et houellebecq absolument, oui. hugo et dumas c'est bien pour les fillettes. t'aurais au moins pu citer rabelais ou racine, mais non t'as choisi les mecs bien moisi à la sauce médiocre. je te conjure de revoir ton arrogance mal ficelée.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:16:46 2022 No.19781938 >>19781623 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:44:20 2022 No.19782116 Yeah, portuguese literature is shit. Fiction is always boring and regional and non fiction only stands to explain brazilian dynamics and society, which i dont care because i hate this shit hole. The greatest writer is Fernando Pessoa

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:46:47 2022 No.19782129 >>19779300 Brazilian writers like Machado only wrote for other brazilians. Dont worry because you are not losing anything, he was shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 20:16:15 2022 No.19782309 >>19779523 give Lem a chance sometime i you haven't so far

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:00:51 2022 No.19782525 >>19779166 there's not a single readable canadian book. everyone here is an illiterate bigot

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:04:25 2022 No.19782544

>>19779388
It can not be done man.. I may be trolling with my post here >>19781496, but with this educational system ? You gotta be fucking kidding me. Literature and Philosophy are dead, I went to a school where they needed to cut philo on the last years of HS. You bet your eye on universities, specifically humanities, and holy fuck, it is all dead, all BS.

Fucking hell, I'm talking about the extremely sensible youngshitters from this place. Larping fucking communists, smartphone addicts (irony, pc addiction is not great by a mile either), and the crybabies that make Brazil look like fucking AUSCHWITZ.
You know what I'm talking about, this new progressivism mixed with technocracy that never seems to end. A disgraceful overpopulation that hinders everything.

We are at the point that only bombs will cure this country.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:12:00 2022 No.19782584 bump

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:15:09 2022 No.19782596 >>19779166 my country's greatest contribution to modern literature was the book of enoch, i didn't have to "try" to like it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:18:17 2022 No.19782612 >>19779339 >(Self-hate is a classic brazilian trait). German, actually

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:24:19 2022 No.19782644 >>19781496 Is this bait ? Why would someone not read brazilian literature ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:28:30 2022 No.19782667 >>19779373 Your "culture" is built on asses and black crime

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:34:55 2022 No.19782702

>>19779188
Esquece Guimarães Rosa, muito super-valorizado. Leia Suassuna, Fonseca, Barreto e poetas Portugueses, claro Camões, amado por Melville e vários grandes poetas da anglosfera, mas também Helder, Pascoaes, Breyener, uma exceção para Florbela, que é simplesmente terrível.
>>19781496
Melhore sua gramática, deixe de ser pobre.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:38:07 2022 No.19782713 >>19779240 >tries to say how macho he is >goes on to say he isn't gay okay? what does that have to do with anything

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:40:09 2022 No.19782723

>>19782702
How to improve ? write daily english, french phrases ? (on paper)
I'm 19; I'm pretending to leave this place to not become corrupted by the evils of the world, but it is impossible, the outside world is already a shithole. I went to drink a coconut water yesterday, a bunch of fucking uneducated people of all types, old uneducated too. I don't know how, they have a dialect worst than mine, which I found impossible.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:40:56 2022 No.19782727

my country's literature is divorced from my own history and culture, so i don't really care for it in the first place. i'll just seek out what i can from my own people and see if i enjoy it. from what i've seen so far, it's much better than the national mainstream

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:43:07 2022 No.19782749

>>19779328
Assigned reading in HS, torturous. Every other novel by Eça is better, A Relíquia is the only one with any spark of originality, he's a very underwhelming, uninspired writer, probably one of the reasons it translates well. Portugal's only standout prose writer is Lobo Antunes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:47:43 2022 No.19782778 >>19779331 You're blessed to (sorta) have Naipaul then, with his uncompromising, beautiful descriptions of the now famous indian street shitting >>19779388 would love him as well. One could even be so bold as to call him /ourwifebeater/.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:55:06 2022 No.19782812

>>19779448
If your favorite writer is McCarthy you-all absolutely love Fonseca, and since you don't read enough poetry and only name dropped Baudelaire from the widely memed Incelbecq connection, read Mario de Sá Carneiro and Herberto Helder. A surprising amount of Portugal's poetry is incelcore, even setting aside Pessoa.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 21:59:16 2022 No.19782820

>>19779518
Olha meu amigo, eu não gosto desse complexo de vira lata não, e nada melhor que uma bela rrrrraba, mas esse endeusamento da caipirinha como ícone nacional... É "moonshine" com dois disfarces enjoativos, sempre que um gringo sexpat escroto fala da kaepeRaenha da vontade de montar uma nova cabanada.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 22:08:20 2022 No.19782855

>>19779166
Yes, Brazilian literature is shit, with very few exceptions. Even our most famous author, Machado de Assis, is very good nationally, but internationally ends up looking like a second-rate Sterne. Lispector is a unique writer, capable of incredible sentences, but 90% of her writing is "introspective" sentimental trash of the worst kind. Regionalist/social novels (Azevedo, Barreto, Ramos, Amado) are sub-literature, can't take it seriously. Guimarães Rosa is very talented, but horribly sentimental and frankly just a bad writer sometimes, he has great metaphors and neologisms, but often uses them to write soap opera stuff. Jorge de Lima wrote a fascinating poem, A Invenção de Orfeu, which however is too long. Carlos Drummond is OK, but not very smart, he's at his best when writing ironic poetry, when he takes himself seriously the results are disappointing. Mario Faustino died before he could become really good. Haroldo de Campos wrote both very shitty and very good poems, but his best work was in poetic translation. Our best writers are probably the poets Murilo Mendes and João Cabral, and our best book is Os Sertões, by Euclides da Cunha, if only because of the highly interesting subject matter. Pre-Machado Brazilian literature is mostly so bad that I don't even want to remember that it exists. There is one major exception, Gregório de Matos, who was a fine satirical poet from the 17th century, but he was really more Portuguese than Brazilian, and again he's only good at his satire, his serious poetry is trash, same applies for Bernardo Guimarães. Sousandrade and Qorpo-Santo are interesting for their uniqueness, but I am not sure if they were really good authors, perhaps they were. There are hundreds of other names, most of whom wrote at least one or two good pages, but I can't be bothered. I'd rather read French or English books.
Still, Portuguese literature is a little better and has four or five actually very good authors, such as Pessoa, Cardoso Pires, and currently Lobo Antunes. Even the highly overrated Saramago is better than most BR lit.
One Brazilian author I haven't read yet but who looks interesting is Osman Lins.

I will be spending a few months away, and am taking ~70 books with me. There's not a single BR book among them, although Pessoa and Lobo Antunes are there. When deciding between Machado and Sterne, I didn't have to think before choosing Sterne. If I want to read the Portuguese language, I'd rather read a foreign classic in translation or reread Pessoa/Eça/Antunes. Camões is alright too, although rather dated. And sometimes I just read a Hispanic author instead.

Anonymous Thu Jan 20 22:26:05 2022 No.19782940

>>19782855
Haroldo's absolutely terrible, from that gimmicky generation the only halfway decent poet is Gullar, even then sometimes he sounds like Rupi Kaur's ass sniffing creepy uncle. For current writers Bonvicino and Hatoum, who you'd assume is more soapy regionalist Jabuti bait, but reads more like detached realism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 22:45:34 2022 No.19783013 >>19782855 /thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 22:49:02 2022 No.19783031 I didn't really try, I was forced into it in a young age so I grew traumatized

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 22:55:29 2022 No.19783069 I'm Filipino and have this same issue. Our entire arts/entertainment industry is absolute garbage. The only Filipino media worth consuming are a handful of Filipino new wave/arthouse movies >>19781408 Got any recs? or perhaps a chart?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 02:25:36 2022 No.19783812 I'm Canadian and all our literature is absolute dogshit. If you're not a woman or some two-spirit Indian, you don't get published.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 02:27:38 2022 No.19783817 >>19782525 This but I wish there were bigots. It'd make the content more interesting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 02:46:27 2022 No.19783867 >>19783812 Anne of the green gables is a great book. >>19779166 I am Costa Rican and most literature is pretty bad. There are some decent books, but nothing groundbreaking. I avoid it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 02:53:50 2022 No.19783880 >>19779523 A idź ty świntuchu

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 04:13:20 2022 No.19784036 >>19783812 You can draft pick both Bellow and Irving

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 04:54:00 2022 No.19784123

>>19779166
Brazilian literature is good when you grow older and realize literature is supposed to be a way to show how society is, unfortunately you would be stuck in the 20the century since Brazilians were imbecillized by communists applying gramschism (I.e. cultural marxism), including the communists themselves

>>19779188
camões is really cool when one of your ancestors is cited there

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 05:10:47 2022 No.19784155

>>19779232
está cheio de brasileiro no lit

Eu gostaria de escrever um dia sobre o padrão das pessoas de hoje em dia

men
>soccer
>sertanejo
>FIFA
>booze
>women
>drugs
>aaaaaa bolsonaro sneezed without a mask aaaaaaa

women
>netflix
>lgbtq
>celebrity gossip
>my life is so miserable adulthood sucks aaaaa why do I have to work aaaa much anxiety aaaaa muh depression aaaaa give me my black label meds aaaaa
>aaaaaaa bolsonaro farted without a mask aaaaaaaaaa

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 05:12:01 2022 No.19784158 >>19784155 oh yeah forgot one for both >look my tatoo how unique I am haha >let's post about hitting the gym every once in a while (women). yeah lifting hard, all natty haha (men, of course all juicing)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 05:13:57 2022 No.19784162 >>19782855 what about camilo castelo branco

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 05:15:23 2022 No.19784166 >>19784155 >>19784158 kkkk boa

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 06:15:25 2022 No.19784333 Poland. The bombardment with positivist garbage in school made me avoid local literature, I like some of our historians tho.

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 06:57:03 2022 No.19784443

>>19783069
Sorry no idea about translations. I was thinking about making a chart one day, but our literature is very nationalistic in the sense that it's centred around our culture, history, and people, and I don't think any outsider is interested in investing the time to engage with the tradition of such an internationally unimportant country. It's a blessing for Romanians though, we certainly inherited a love for literature thanks to our Latin language and perhaps our close connections with the Greeks. There are still Romanians who are blind to it though and don't realise Eminescu is a world-class romantic poet, but objectively we are very rich in literary talent and Romanians should not be allowed to complain in any way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 07:09:05 2022 No.19784475 >>19781529 Sauf Proust et Huysmans, et peut-être Céline, oui.

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 08:01:25 2022 No.19784613

>>19779166
Yeah, Australian here and I'm not a big fan of our literature, with rare exceptions like "Voss" by Patrick White. And honestly even with that, I persisted through it because I wanted to find *something* in our canon that I loved, and the highest praise I could give it upon finishing it was that it was 'pretty good'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 08:42:24 2022 No.19784753 >>19783812 >>19782525 Marshall McLuhan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 09:32:40 2022 No.19784903 >>19779166 I'm from Kazakhstan. Our literature is either oral tradition or 19-20th century authors who got literate because of Russians, yet complain about muh Russian occupation. It's boring.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 10:08:47 2022 No.19785059 >>19784903 be the change you want to see kazakhanon. it's the one ambition keeping me going in this post-communist bloc country

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 10:10:47 2022 No.19785068 >>19781529 >Houellebecq au même niveau que les autres HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 10:11:13 2022 No.19785072 >>19784903 >Kazakhstan how is it going there? I heard people revolted because of vaccine mark of the beast for banks?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 10:12:37 2022 No.19785081 >>19784903 Salam, Kazakh bro.

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 10:21:06 2022 No.19785122

>>19782940
>Bonvincino
>Hatoum
Seriously? Bonvicino has some decent poems, but Hatoum *is* soap opera stuff, at least to judge from Dois Irmãos, which I had to stop reading at page ~50 because it felt like watching Globo with my aunt, no idea if his style changed since then, but that book was trash, and the prose is mediocre too.
And Haroldo wrote decent longer poems. Galáxias is quite good and better than most of Gullar's production, and certainly levels above Hatoum's writing. He sustains the rhythm very well and it's also a fun book to read, full of linguistic invention, besides of course being rather unique, at least in our language. Also, it's not really concrete poetry. Haroldo, by his own admission, became neo-baroque in his later years. Perhaps you are forgetting this.

>>19784162
Good writer, but spoiled by high school tier Romanticism, at least to judge from Amor de Perdição. I'd recommend reading Eça instead.

>>19784123
Fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 11:10:23 2022 No.19785304 >>19779281 who are some great authors beside Mark Twain?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 11:12:37 2022 No.19785315 >>19784903 >19-20th century authors who got literate because of Russians, yet complain about muh Russian occupation Can you name some?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 11:20:28 2022 No.19785348 >>19785122 seethe more commie fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 15:19:07 2022 No.19786440 >>19785068 l'élite qu'on vous dit

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 15:44:57 2022 No.19786547 >>19785348 Literature is not sociology, and I am not a commie. Go back to Olavo's Facebook account.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 16:06:46 2022 No.19786608 >>19779188 I love Brazil. How easy is it to learn the language? What do you recommend to get started?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 16:20:13 2022 No.19786671 >>19779188 Se mata cara, literatura brasileira é uma das melhores, seu preguiçoso do caralho

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 16:37:21 2022 No.19786747 >>19784123 That's why it doesnt appeal young teenagers in school. But good overall, I would not say so .... >>19786671

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 16:49:48 2022 No.19786815

Brazilian literature is no more than OK. The best authors are Machado de Assis, Guimarães Rosa, Clarice Lispector, Graciliano Ramos, Carlos Drumond de Andrade, Murilo Mendes and João Cabral de Melo Neto.
Some middlewit writers that worth check it out too: Sérgio Sant'anna, Dalton Trevisan and Rubem Fonseca.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 16:56:54 2022 No.19786852 >>19786815 isn't raduan nassar supposedly good?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 16:59:41 2022 No.19786871 >>19786852 Lavoura Arcaica is good. Um Copo de cólera sucks. It's not enough to be on the list.

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 17:28:40 2022 No.19787022

>>19784443
I really dont feel our literature is overly "national". Camil Petrescu, Rebreanu, Caragiale, Sorescu (I really liked his theatre and novels), Preda (Cel mai iubit dintre pamanteni) and Eliade mostly deal with more universal themes like love, war and spirituality, unlike Ivo Andric for example whose work feels very balkan since its main elements are the ethnic mosaic and complicated history of Bosnia.
Most of the above mentioned authors could be translated and worth reading for foreigners. Translations into the other romance languages would be eapecially good. But we should just give up on exporting Eminescu and poetry in general. Nichita and Blaga are the only two I cane see working in translation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 17:40:26 2022 No.19787074 File: 11 KB, 96x96, frog.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19779166 I didn't have to try; I like it because it's good. It of course appeals to me culturally as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 18:02:10 2022 No.19787197 >>19786547 in case you didn't notice I didn't complain about 20th century commie literature since it was good it is an objective fact that communists have made brazillians and themselves more stupid using socio constructivism

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 18:03:11 2022 No.19787203 >>19786608 play Minecraft in brazilian Portuguese

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 18:07:33 2022 No.19787223 >>19779166 Colombian here. Yep.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 18:09:04 2022 No.19787231 >>19779240 You'd be surprised by how much machismo fit gym culture and gay culture overlap then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 18:17:24 2022 No.19787284 >>19781546 It's intentional, the French academia denigrate and mock any thinker that is "too easily understood", so the majority insert a little obscurantism to stay aloof.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 21:12:17 2022 No.19788186 bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 21:19:22 2022 No.19788223 I used to dismiss my country's literature because it doesn't have any really big names. Now I read it more than anything else because it reminds me of my childhood.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 21:27:27 2022 No.19788284 >>19782667 >Your "culture" is built on asses and black crime Excuse me; are you talking about the amerifarts?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 21:33:27 2022 No.19788310 No, I've never tried to like Australian literature Having grown up in the public school system I was made to read a lot of Australian authors and I disliked all of them

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 21:45:45 2022 No.19788368 >>19782702 >Pascoaes What a jewel. Thanks, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 21:47:30 2022 No.19788377 >>19779381 >Should I like my country's culture just because it's my country independent of what i really think of it Uh yes of course

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 22:06:53 2022 No.19788467

Yes! I was filtered to all American literature except for some Edgar Rice Burroughs ebooks.Been on this damn board for eight years learning to read and only enjoyed Goethe's poetry, and Strindberg's plays and some novels, and maaaybe a certain autobiographical book that the assholes who put the top 100s together seem keen to erase from history if they would have it their way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 22:19:06 2022 No.19788505 >>19784613 I hated all the Australian literature we were forced to read in school and I've never touched it since.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 22:40:28 2022 No.19788574 there are two genres that are truly american and its the mystery and western genres. I like em both

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 22:46:27 2022 No.19788594

>>19788505
Aussie here. There's some good stuff. I've learnt to appreciate bush poets and Xavier Herbert is a great author. I think it's just the public school system is gay as. Same thing happens to everyone I reckon, if you're forced to read something you won't enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 22:47:53 2022 No.19788599 >>19786608 >I love Brazil. Where are you from?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 22:52:34 2022 No.19788612 >>19788594 >if you're forced to read something you won't enjoy it. This is often the case.

Anonymous Fri Jan 21 23:25:02 2022 No.19788703

>>19779166
I cannot take most American literature seriously since for much of our existence we somehow made boringness itself our primary philosophy. It’s not to say people like Steinbeck or Twain are bad persay because clearly they know how to tell a story, but it’s just from the same time period there is just way more interesting stuff happening overseas in like France or Russia with literature. James I can tolerate because he was for all intents and purposes an Anglo aristocrat born in the wrong country, and Melville is the only writer I can really respect and Americans totally forgot about him for like 40 years. Naturally anything that are the Beats and after I dismiss out of hand for obvious reasons, and somehow by then the rest of the world managed to write even worse than them, so it’s like choosing to eat shit or nothing by that point

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 23:42:52 2022 No.19788750 >>19782723 Just by reading this I know precisely how your accent sounds like. t.I'm Gaúcho

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 21 23:54:19 2022 No.19788781 >>19781496 >you are better off reading the Russians why not the greeks?

Anonymous Sat Jan 22 00:14:42 2022 No.19788841

>>19782723
>I'm pretending to leave this place to not become corrupted by the evils of the world, but it is impossible, the outside world is already a shithole
Not him but my solution was religion to provide a backbone of morality and worldview through which everyone else are analysed and filtered, it helped to prioritize tasks and interests and use millennium advice to protect myself in society. I chose Judaism for this as it is very more practice oriented.

>I went to drink a coconut water yesterday, a bunch of fucking uneducated people of all types, old uneducated too. I don't know how, they have a dialect worst than mine, which I found impossible.
Humble yourself boy, in life you're like a worm or a vermin, even more so in death, learn with others, your pride will blind you to what's important in life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 00:33:38 2022 No.19788897 >>19786547 >Literature is not sociology Still written by human beings, who need a solid formation to write anything decent. That foundational formation was destroyed by communists in Brazil.

Anonymous Sat Jan 22 00:51:47 2022 No.19788949

>>19782525
>>19783812
I tried reading Margaret Atwood's novels and couldn't stand them. Dancing Girls is OK because it's short stories, and I actually think her non-fiction writing and comics are great.
Robertson Davies is OK, I'm amazed that no one has made the Deptford trilogy into a movie or a TV series.
Couldn't finish The Stone Angel.
Lots of people really like Alice Munro and she even got a fucking Nobel Prize, but she writes about normal people and I hate reading about normal people.
Chester Brown and Julie Doucet are a lot better writers than a lot of non-graphic novelists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 02:52:28 2022 No.19789353 >>19784613 I liked that one by that Greek dude who did The Slap

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 02:55:24 2022 No.19789361 >>19788949 There's something about Alice Munro that comes off as super pretentious to me.

Anonymous Sat Jan 22 03:19:53 2022 No.19789404

>>19787197
>>19788897
Literature is NOT "supposed to be a way to show how society is". That's the goal of a specific science known as sociology.
Literature is simply the art of writing. If you honestly think Kafka showed "how society is", you are an idiot and your interpretations of Kafka are shit. In fact, not even 19th century so-called "realists" (there is no such thing) showed "how society is", as they were full of biases, the strongest of which was favouring the dramatic/picturesque over the realistic. Don't like Kafka? Substitute it for Borges, Pound, Eliot, or anyone else.

Anonymous Sat Jan 22 03:28:55 2022 No.19789430

>>19789404
>Literature is NOT "supposed to be a way to show how society is".
I said literature is a way to do it you dummie, not that literature only serves for that, go learn some logic if you can't use it instinctively

either way literature has been shit for all purposes in Brazil since the people born before 1950 died

Anonymous Sat Jan 22 04:15:25 2022 No.19789514

>>19788467
>Been on this damn board for eight year
Anon.. try to quit for your sanity.
>>19788841
Thank you anon. Perhaps I was harsh with the response (or insane, since all I indulge here is in insanity, this place is somewhat bad for me; i forget my senses and feelings when im on the net..disgrace).
I am even friends with the coconut's establishment worker (he had a child while he wad 14yo with a 21yo girl; can you imagine..).
I also found some fragments of religion inside me, or rather some 'infinite' hidden on the abyss. I was reading the bible and C.S Lewis to help on the journey.. I also believe inwardness and existentialism are extremely important factors for one to change. Anyway.. sorry for the responses, goodbye and good life.
>>19788781
Dunno, I didn't have enough time to read the greeks, only Socrates(plato) and the other one from Copenhagen with the fancy name.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 04:16:38 2022 No.19789516 >>19788841 >Humble yourself boy, in life you're like a worm or a vermin, even more so in death, learn with others, your pride will blind you to what's important in life. And yeah anon, exactly this. Spinoza's worm........

Anonymous Sat Jan 22 04:28:20 2022 No.19789539

>>19789430
You said:
>Brazilian literature is good when you grow older and realize literature is supposed to be a way to show how society is
>is supposed to
To "be supposed to do X" means that it has to do X. It may do other things, but it has to do X. Here is how the Cambridge dictionary defines it:
"to have to; to have a duty or a responsibility to:
The children are supposed to be at school by 8.45 a.m."
Literature doesn't have a duty to "show how society is". Sociology does that already, or at least it "is supposed to".
You can't write clearly, at least not in English. Perhaps it's you who should learn a little more.

>either way literature has been shit for all purposes in Brazil since the people born before 1950 died
It it isn't any worse than it was before. You only think that because your favourite professors told you to, and not because you actually examined the authors.
Nothing has really declined. BR literature is as mediocre as ever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 04:45:15 2022 No.19789579 >>19789516 >Spinoza's worm I have a good reason to believe he just took it from Ramban's letter https://www.sefaria.org/Iggeret_HaRamban.4?lang=en&with=all&lang2=en

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 05:12:36 2022 No.19789633 >>19789579 Oh, alright Well, it is beautiful too..

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 11:22:27 2022 No.19790715 bump

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 11:25:57 2022 No.19790729 >>19788841 >I chose Judaism I don't wanna sound paranoid, but still...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 11:43:57 2022 No.19790819 >>19779166 i like brazilian lit my country's lit is very good in the 20th century and really average otherwise + you are living in a big language and should have something to read always

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 12:31:16 2022 No.19790997 >>19790819 what's your country?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 12:53:50 2022 No.19791080 >>19779166 Yeah, Croatian literature sucks. It's either ancient, peretentious or just plain depressing. I can't relate to anything. I always enjoyer Russian literature, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 17:46:09 2022 No.19792505 >>19783867 I am also Tico and I agree. It's shit larping as deep and revolutionary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 17:57:17 2022 No.19792563 >>19782309 Sure will, will read him after I'm done with the New Testament (I'm reading the Society of Saint Paul edition, since that was the bible we already had).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 18:57:19 2022 No.19792806 >>19781546 Self filtered

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 18:58:47 2022 No.19792815 >>19782525 Thats cause you dont read French Canadians, anglo nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 22 21:35:29 2022 No.19793459 >>19792815 >Thats cause you dont read French Canadians, anglo nigger. Basée

Anonymous Sun Jan 23 02:50:06 2022 No.19794414

I've read little of it, but most New Zealand literature is very bad. We have a good poet, James K. Baxter, and a good short story writer, Vincent O'Sullivan. There are some others I enjoy, but they are incredibly mediocre by any other Western countries standard.

To be fair, we haven't been around long.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 02:51:07 2022 No.19794416 >>19794414 country's*

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 08:13:46 2022 No.19795399 >>19782727 Irish?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 08:17:35 2022 No.19795411 I wouldn't even piss on the modern shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 13:43:39 2022 No.19796549 >>19779188 absolutamente boiola viado e bluepillado

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 18:05:09 2022 No.19797904 >>19779166 I like it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 18:42:31 2022 No.19798062 >>19792815 Are there any English translations of French Canadian books? What's so different about them compared to the Anglos?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 18:48:48 2022 No.19798088 File: 1.89 MB, 1000x1500, image_2022-01-23_184844.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I like this one

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 22:18:09 2022 No.19799024 File: 643 KB, 640x960, image_2022-01-23_221740.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hate this idiot. Plus she looks like the witch who tried to eat Hansel and Gretel

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 22:22:21 2022 No.19799032 >>19799024 be the change you want to see, write the great canadian novel it shouldn't be hard jej

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 23 22:30:24 2022 No.19799068 >>19799032 I would, but I'm writing middle-grade adventure fiction instead

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 24 05:43:12 2022 No.19800368 >>19779525 I bet you don't even read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 24 09:14:24 2022 No.19800949 I hate American literature. I hate reading anything about race issues or black people or our disgusting culture and politics. I can't stand it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 24 09:52:39 2022 No.19801089 Yes. Scotland has the best authors since after the Classical Era.

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