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>> No.19814519
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King of /sffg/.

Simple as

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Raven Stratagem, The Machineries of Empire #2 - Yoon Ha Lee (2017)

I've rarely seen a more severe case of middle book syndrome than what I read here. It wouldn't have been a problem that 90% of the book was for the last 10% if that 90% didn't feel like padding. The pacing was awkward relative to how much it wanted to cover. This is strange to say, but I felt like the narrative was grinding out conversations and mentioned accomplishments to develop the characters so that their actions seemed plausible. Considering how wobbly the characterizations seemed to be, I think it only made moderate progression towards that goal.

Unlike the first book, nothing won me over this time, which always makes me wonder about my previous rating. The space battles were greatly reduced and not much else of interest was introduced. In their place were many conversations, backstories, and similar. This wasn't so much a quantitative problem as it was a qualitative one. I previously stated this wasn't science fantasy — I was wrong, it was. There was far too much in this one to where saying otherwise couldn't plausibly be defended.

What this book definitely had though was sexual representation. There were arguably three transmen and a host of other LGBTQIA characters and relationships. The typical family situation was unclear, but it seemed to involve marriage contracts, more than two parents, and artificial births. Also, there was sibling incest, which the parents found to be amusing. So despite how terrible everything else may be, at least their society has achieved equality for the identities that matter in our current society, even though they've also created several new identities that are even more discriminated against. I'm at a loss as to how intentional this was.

The ending was far too convenient and neat. I don't know what it was intended to be on a meta or symbolic level. Maybe I'll better understand after the third book. As it stands though, I didn't enjoy it. I don't know what the book is trying to say and that's a severe problem. Perhaps the fault was my own, or there's less to it than I think, or it's just as confused as I believe it to be, but regardless, it has greatly impacted my enjoyment.

I've written a lot about negatives, but collectively they aren't enough for me to dislike the book. I expected improvements and a better second book that would be good, but instead I'm left with a worse book that's only decent. I tend to write about whatever has been most salient for me, so this has mostly been me addressing my disappointments. Sometimes that ends up with entirely unbalanced write-ups that don't seem congruent with the rating and I'm okay with that.

Rating: 3/5

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Shilling for this again. Ayyys crashland near a middle-ages German village, and have to interact with the learned priest, local lord, and villagers. Some eventually (sort of) convert to Christianity. It's good shit, and contains no poz.

>> No.19814573

who is this "Bakker" person?

>> No.19814580

>>19814565
Haven’t read it, but the description sort of sounds like Paul Anderson’s High Crusade to me.

>> No.19814588

>>19814519
wait a minute

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>>19814573
>who is this "Bakker" person?
>person
He is no person, he is a King author in a pozzed age

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King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>> No.19814614

>>19814600
crispy hair, looking like curly fries

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Caught up to Aposimz yesterday and was sad that it got axed but it sparked some need for scifi in me again.
A few of you have probably read the Blame! or biomega manga so I was thinking if you have some reccs along the typical Nihei style.
I remeber reading quantum thief which had some wild technology that felt like it could be at home in Blame but the setting obviously is a lot more positive.
Also the sequel immediately turned me off by introducing a second ass character from whos point of view we can watch entirely unrelated events to take away the spotlight so I dropped that.

Searching for Blame! like recs. (or something along those lines)

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>> No.19814630

>>19814580
A Can*dian.

>>19814580
Similar concept, but the action is centered around the local region. Also very well researched; most of the events that happen in the story actually did, minus the aliens and the specific characters. It's a nice cross between hard historic fiction and scifi.

>> No.19814637

>>19814628
Have you read Gantz?

>> No.19814643

>>19814628
>Caught up to Aposimz yesterday and was sad that it got axed

Damn, really? Does the story get wrapped up or is it left without a conclusion?

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>>19814573
The biggest meme and best writer in contemporary fantasy, why?

>> No.19814653

>>19814565
>members of a technologically advanced civilisation capable of interstellar travel crash land in near middle ages village and after reading jewish fantasy book for goyim written and rewritten countless times by corrupt political/religious elite convert to christianity.
>good

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19814657

Can you make 'Collections' on your Kindle through file explorer, like making new folders, instead of having to do it through the Kindle itself, and adding books manually that way?

>> No.19814671

>>19814657
No, you cannot. Buy kobo next time.

>> No.19814672

>>19814628
Have you read Knights of Sidonia or Land of the Lustrous?

This is anime, but Gargantia on the Verduous Planet is a pretty good scifi.

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>>19814643
Got concluded but it's kinda rushed towards the end. You can see the sights and the battles he wanted to draw condensed in two chapters or so but it's very bare bones. But to be honest, good endings where never really Niheis strong suit so I still very much enjoyed the ride. >>19814672
Yes to all of that.
> Land of the Lustrous?
Haha just 9999 years left for the next chapter right?
>>19814637
Yes. It has giant bitches so that makes it a spiritual cousin to Niheis work.

>> No.19814794

>>19814657
ignore the kober

https://www.epubor.com/4-ways-to-create-and-manage-kindle-collections.html#method5

>> No.19814802

>>19814794
>4 ways
>it's actually 6
holy shit

>> No.19814807

>>19814657
Depends on what model you have. Some of the earliest generations had an app where you could do that relatively easily. There's a calibre app that allowed some later generations to do that, but it was too much for to bother with. I don't know of any way that does it now. It isn't really an issue for me, but I don't care to have a ton of different collections. It shouldn't be too much of an issue unless you want tons of collections and many 100s, if not more, that need to go into each. The easiest way to me would be to put all you want in a collection onto the kindle at once from Calibre and then open that collection and add the recently added into it.

>> No.19814813

I am currently writing a short historical fantasy novel involving a college student from the present day being transported back to England during the Viking invasions and caught in the middle of a cosmic contest between Christianity, Arthurian legend, and Norse mythology.
Where would be a good place to get useful feedback on my writing? Obviously I'm not stupid enough to post it here expecting constructive criticism, but I am admittedly an amateur who has no hope of publishing and just wants to write an enjoyable story for my own self-amusement.

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>>19814514
I am now convinced that he's truly dead. RIP Bakker, gone but not forgotten.

>> No.19814816

>>19814807
I've a Paperwhite. I don't know the exact model. I could probably find out but I don't care to at the moment. I remember doing this on my old Kindle 3 and it being a colossal chore. I'll mess with calibre.

>> No.19814820

>>19814794
>calibre method says to jailbreak my Kindle
Do I really have to? I mean, I don't use the online features at all but I've been finding and uploading ebooks from the internet for at least a decade and it hasn't bothered me yet.

>> No.19814821

>>19814598
is that Lindsey Ellis?

>> No.19814827

>>19814629
When you get older you figure out what really matters.

>> No.19814832

>>19814794
Kys, the only good way is to jailbrake it and install custom software, but good luck jailbraking recent update kindle. I have an old paperwhite with 5.6.5 firmware and and none of those options work. Obviously amazon way is garbage and only allows amazon purchased books to be managed.
So just fucking drop kindle and buy a kobo

>> No.19814845

>>19814816
If you mean the Kindle Keyboard, if you had the right app it was super easy. Literally just drag and drop. Mine stopped working a couple years ago from wear and tear so I bought a slightly newer model, like 8 years old versus 12, for like $30 off ebay. It was a shame that I couldn't use that any longer, but I do like the backlight it has now.

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>non-amazon books
what did they mean by this>

>> No.19814855

>>19814820
not worth it, check the other methods and hopefully you find one convenient

>> No.19814907

>>19814629
The preface of the first new one is basically "my editor wanted more money"

>> No.19814910

>>19814814
I was here during first anniversary of his last blog post. We are clocking on the second one soon.

>> No.19815028

>>19814910
fug...

>> No.19815160
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Fresh Off The Press!

>> No.19815174

>>19815160
I like how you can instinctively yet accurately judge the quality of every book in this image from its tiny little cover.

>> No.19815179

>>19815160
Library of Mount Char is not isekai nor gamelit.

>> No.19815232

>>19814852
You do know you can pirate EBooks, right anon?

>> No.19815257

>>19815160
if I liked Mother of Learning which books form that pile of trash would you reccomend me to read?

>> No.19815270

>>19815160
Hidden tower is very good, choice of magic also not bad, only watched magicians tv show and it was absolute trash, book is probably a lot worse, not sure about other works on that list

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>>19814565
>Carl Sagan meets Umberto Eco
Carl didn't deserve this

>> No.19815412

>>19814813
people you know irl, the writing general in this board. if you post here some excerpts there might be some anons who will read them and give you feedback

>>19815160
what's the point of this chart, you are supposed to order them by quality or something. why should i read one of the books there over any other

>> No.19815443

>>19814813
el reddito
fantasywriting sub or something

>>19815257
>>19815270
read wizard knight

>> No.19815504

>>19814600
Based. Even the anime-shitters try to copy our memes.

>> No.19815521

>>19814649
>female opinions

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>>19815521

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>>19815521
>>19815528
This one made me read him.

>> No.19815602
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I just finished this book. I don't usually like steampunk, but this didn't have any of the usual shit that I hate about it. It was a great read overall and I hope Butcher crawls out of his cave to finally finish the sequel this year. 5/5

>> No.19815604

>>19815602
Does it not have needless brass cogs everywhere? If you say yes, I put it on my to-read list.

>> No.19815607

>>19815602
so what's it about? just finished reading Bakker and need something to read

>> No.19815613

>>19815602
>steampunk
What was the "punk" part?

>> No.19815617

>>19815602
>5/5
lol

>> No.19815657

God I wish Kellhus was my dad

>> No.19815659

>>19815604
>>19815613
I can't recall a single cog in the entire book. Very little steam even. To be honest I only used the term steampunk because that's how the book was described to me but like I said I didn't really see it much. The aeronauts have goggles while they fly through the sky which counts I guess. The main ship is made of wood and most things are powered by magic crystals with no brass pipes anywhere. And the talking cats were cringe at first but they grew on me as it becomes evident that it isn't being done for typical "lol so randumb xD" nonsense and you see what role they play in the world.
>>19815607
Disgraced former-navy airship captain and some young nobles get caught up in the plot of one spire (big tower that humans live on since the surface is uninhabitable and filled with monsters) warring against another. The ship battles are really well written and easy to follow.
>>19815607
If I like something it's 5/5 and if I don't it's 1/5

>> No.19815673

>>19815602
Is Butcher still alive, when is the new Dresden book coming out. God, when covid hit and everything was shut it was literaly perfect time for these people to write their sequels, but wtf did Butcher do? Fucking dissapeared for like a year with no updates. The fuck is wrong with these people

>> No.19815694

>>19815673
Publishers froze nearly everything for the last two years and now have a backlog of releases that will take several years to clear out.

>> No.19815750

>>19814653
Post your mjolnir necklace.

>> No.19815752

>>19815673
>when is the new Dresden book coming out.
The last update on his website says he'll start writing the next Dresden book after he finishes Cinder Spires 2, which is his next one allegedly. This update is over a year old though so he might be dead in a shack somewhere by now.

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>feminist scifi
>good
how is this

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>>19814814
F

>> No.19815966

Why is Steven Erikson such a fat fetishist? Does he have a smoking fetish as well?

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finished solar cycle finally.
now i'm depressed.

>> No.19816563

>>19815602
>>19815659
It isn't steampunk at all. It has a Victorian-ish setting so maybe that's what you meant. Great book though.

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Books like pic related?

>> No.19816615

>>19815602
This was a fun book, typical Butcher style. The cat thing was kind of dumb, but it grew on me.

>> No.19816617

>>19814814
Surely if he was dead it wouldn't be a secret this long?

>> No.19816624

>>19816612
Add a curved phallus and you have Bakker.

>> No.19816629

>>19816612
See >>19814519

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>>19814565
is it anything like pic related? because pic related is comfy.

>> No.19816657

>>19816612
add a penis to the elf and it will pass

>> No.19816818

>>19816612
My diary

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Books like pic related (without lesbians)

>> No.19816903
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I asked the other day if I should give up on this when I was around the chapter when they go to the botanical gardens. I’m on chapter 17 of Claw of the Conciliator and I can confirm the series gets better and better as you go. Shits really good.

>> No.19816988

>>19816612
read the wizard knight, that may as well be a scene from it

>> No.19816997

>>19816903
based wolfe enjoyer

sword drags a little in the very beginning (5-10%) but it just keeps getting crazier from there

>> No.19817001

>>19816903
Glad to hear you stuck with it, anon. It only gets better.

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19817010

Is there a book for /this/ picture? And no, not Raistlin Majere.

>> No.19817021

the book of the new sun series?
the book of the long sun series?
solar cycle series?
Downloading them, but wondering how I should label and sort them in calibre

>> No.19817045

>>19814565
sounds based

>> No.19817052

>>19815174
Turns out "don't judge a book by its cover" is the worst fucking meme ever

>> No.19817062

>>19816845
Football 17776
Last Legends of Earth
Lord of Light

>> No.19817074

>>19814565
i'll check it out thanks anon

>> No.19817082

>>19815160
Don't know a thing about a single one of those but I've heard good things about The Wizard Knight

>> No.19817084

>>19817001
>>19816997
I planned on quitting once I got to the end of Shadow and thought what the hell im just going to keep going, I got through all 17 chapters just today because I got really into it. For anyone having the same problem as I did really just keep going because it gets way better.

>> No.19817109

>>19817021
it's two series
I don't know if calibre can do double series
but ideally you'd label them the book of the new sun and solar cycle series

>> No.19817125

>>19816903
I wanted to say claw has some of the best moments in the series, but then I remembered all the great moments in sword and citadel and shadow, and it turns out the whole thing is just really incredible overall.

>> No.19817284

>>19815270
>Hidden tower
isn't that cuck shit?

>> No.19817316

What isn't cuck shit at this point imo

>> No.19817323

>>19817284
yeah, like actual literal definition of it

>> No.19817331

>>19817316
Shit where the guy gets the girl.
Not the guy gets the girl after shes had everyone else and learned.
Not the guy gets the girl after the bad guy has her and he "rescues" her.
Not the bad guy gets the girl and the "good" guy ends up at peace with the universe or some shit.
Just, the guy gets the girl, he and her stay faithful to one another even if its inconvenient.

>> No.19817355

>>19817331
but that's not heckin subversive...

>> No.19817383

>>19817355
Like, I'm reading david bryn's "Earth Clan" and I'm really enjoying the coming of age story of the MC and his interactions with the alien diplomats, particularly Uthacalthing and his brilliant sense of ironic humour, and the MC gets with the alien ambassadors daughter, they end up marrying each other to make some political gambit to save the day, but they had actually developed feelings for each other, and she's got a body that can morph to suit her needs and his tastes, so it's all good.
But then just as it's about to wrap up happily, some hogwash about needing their own kind gets thrown in the mix and she pushes him onto some female marine and goes off to frollick among the alien men as soon as the heat is off and they can move freely again.

soured the whole damn book for me.

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>>19817010

>> No.19817434

>>19817421
I mean, I know not to judge a book by it's cover, but that certainly does look like it fits the bill.

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>>19817383

>> No.19817455

>>19817445
I need more to go on than this.

>> No.19817477

>>19817383
why do they do this

>> No.19817527

>>19817477
I think it's because a 100% faithful woman wouldn't be believable.

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unadulterated kino, enjoying it more and more

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The first and only Japanese LN I've read was that shit where the guy is transported to another world to become a queen's husband. He's the descendant of a cadet branch of the royal family and she thinks he could help propogate her magic bloodline of space transportation magic. She also doesn't want to marry any of the nobles from her own kingdom because they've never had a queen regnant before and they'd try to take over as king due to sexism. Fair enough.

So because the author hates everything that is holy he decides to make her a cuckqueen. She pimps out her husband to bitches from other countries even though he doesn't want to which makes absolutely no sense and puts potential pretenders to her throne in the hands of her enemies, not to mention undermining the monopoly on space teleportation magic her dynasty controls. Fuck that series and fuck cucks.

>> No.19817652

are there any sff booktubers I can watch to get constant recommendations on what to read?
I use to use this gen to do that, but lately it's just shitposting

>> No.19817671

>>19817652
reddit's r/printsf is the only subreddit I go to and well I think it's fairly based and you should check it out

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>> No.19817712

>>19817710
Weebs are a plague

>> No.19817750

>>19817712
nah, that's americans

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I know they are cheesy and corny and read like a never-ending Gimli-Legolas scene from the LotR, but once you get hooked up on it, you just want to read more. And there are about 15 of them, so...
Plus, you travel around with them, learning about the different parts of the Warhammer Fantasy world, which is kind of cool, I guess.
Once I'm done with this, I'll switch to Sigmar trilogy.

>> No.19817799

>>19817652
Why not the GR group in the OP?

>> No.19817824

>>19817792
I’m going to start soon, I need to expand beyond 40k. Thanks anon

>> No.19817826

>Society that treats commoners like absolute shit and have no rights
>Religious police state that will burn you at the stake for heresy
>Nonhumans are overworked to death or killed for sport
>At least it's not heckin s*xist or homophob*c though

>> No.19817832

>>19817826
That's somewhat like this series
>>19814526

>> No.19817836

>>19817652
Do you need someone you can pretend is an authority to give you specific recommendations for you to try so that you don't have to think for yourself at all?

>> No.19817894

>>19814526
>90% of the book was for the last 10% if that 90%
What the fuck.

>> No.19817902

>>19817710
I love how the Jap artists feel compelled to embellish Severian's character design beyond recognition.

>> No.19817903

>>19817836
no, I want someone who has more time than me to dig through the trash for me

>> No.19817906

>>19817903
That's not really possible. You won't know until you read it for yourself until you can find someone who reliably likes the same stuff you do, which seems unlikely.

>> No.19817910

>>19817894
Are you responding to how it's written or what was written?

>> No.19817912

>>19817906
it won't be perfect, but it'll be better than nothing

>> No.19817916

>>19817671
>first page
>can science fiction wake us up to our climate reality?
I don't know what I was expecting to be honest.

>> No.19817917

>>19817906
>until you can find someone who reliably likes the same stuff you do, which seems unlikely.
It works like this, noone on the goddamn planet has heard of anything that I haven't until I find something that's new to me and actually good, THEN and only then, it will turn out that nearly everyone in the fucking world knew about this thing and just could not remember, but now it's all they can talk about.

>> No.19817932

>>19817912
How To Use This Group
/sffg/ Reviewers
This thread shows the members that have written reviews. It's updated once a year usually. It's there so that you don't have to look through every member to see who has how many reviews.
13 members have 100+ reviews and 52 and 20+.

/sffg/ Ratings
This is an overview of all group members to see what was most read and best rated. Due to the time it takes, it won't be updated again.

/sffg/ Group Reviews
Enter a book title in the search field and then click "view group reviews". This will show all group activity from the group members, including from accounts set to private.

What is /sffg/ Currently Reading?
An overview of what the members of this group are currently reading.

>> No.19817938

>>19817917
That sounds like some kind of bias at best.

>> No.19817953

>>19817917
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

>> No.19817954

>>19817938
Like when you learn a new word and suddenly see it everywhere and before it had never existed or was incredibly rare, something you only found in dusty old books (and you didn't know what it meant), but now it's on street signs all of a sudden!

>> No.19817959

>>19817953
Yeah that's what I was trying to remember here >>19817954
Thank you!

>> No.19817999

>>19815805
it's not feminist
It's alright. Kinda long form thought experiment. Not super exciting. Earthsea and The Dispossessed are better places to start with her. City of Illusions is good too.

>> No.19818203

>>19815805
She wrote the WORST sci-fi/fantasy short story of all time.

>> No.19818248

>>19818203
Which was?

>> No.19818266

>>19814630
Sounds interesting. I’ll have to add it to my Papal SFF reading list.

>> No.19818269

>>19816903
Seems like a lot of people feel the same way anon, myself included. Can’t wait for my re-read now that I’m done with it.

>> No.19818282

>>19815160
I just got into gamelit/litrpg. This'll be useful. I'd recommend "Shadeslinger" and "Dungeon Crawler Carl"

>> No.19818284

>>19817710
>>19817712
>>19817902
I kinda like these covers.
>>19817792
I really liked the Angelina Fleischer series but I might give these a shot. Very few fantasy books have been able to scratch their comfiness.

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19818363

I'm looking for some fantasy novels/series to reference while writing my own systems of magic for my own fantasy story.
A friend of mine recommends the Wheel of Time series but I'm looking for more books that have a really fleshed out, definitive system of magic.

>> No.19818381

>try to find book
>smut for women keeps popping up
is this how girls feel...

>> No.19818382

>>19818363
as much as I hate him, it's Brandon Sanderson. That dude is an autist about it.
His books are anime in book form. So, just read the notes at the back to learn about his magic systems.

>> No.19818393

>>19818382
I've read his notes about creating magic systems a couple times already and that's exactly how autistic I want to be with mine.
I'm just stuck on what kind of magic I want to work with and am looking for sources of inspiration.

>> No.19818426

>>19818363
You're approaching it from the wrong end.
>write the story with no rules
>invent rules so that the story makes sense
>shrinkwrap the story onto the rules in editing
There are so many fucking things you have to be good at when writing. There is a maximum of like ten good authors in America at any given time, and if you're in a smaller country, you can adjust the odds downwards from there. If you make it any harder on yourself than you have to with world building and magic systems there is absolutely no way your qualities are going to shine through the mountain of RoyalRoad-level trash you're buried beneath. Sanderson gets published through Mormon fuckery; don't think that emulating him is going to get you anywhere unless you convert to that or scientology. Rothfuss is about as autistic as you can afford to get.

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>>19818426
I'm establishing the largest parts of the world first before getting into the setting and story itself like you're supposed to. Developing a system of magic is something that needs to be done first as it's apart of the foundation of the story itself.
I'm not looking to find asspulls in my story, I'm looking for things to reference as I develop it fundamentally before I even start writing it. I think you misinterpreted my post and you seem just generally upset.

>> No.19818472

>>19818443
I'm telling you, as someone who's written a fantasy novel, that you're going to trip over what you think you're "supposed to" do. Nothing more I can do than tell you that and good luck. I'd love to see more fantasy authors because god knows the genre needs life.

>> No.19818485

>>19818381
that's tame, try finding a book that involves romance without cuckolding, HA!
it's almost as t for some fucking reason if you're a writer, cuckolding is your fetish, they try to sneak that shit everywhere
EVERYWHERE I say

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19818564

>Started Lyonesse
>Expecting something with fairy tale feeling
>Prologue already has stuff like my fetish Japanese porn
Well okay then.

>> No.19818580

>>19818472
>as someone who's written a fantasy novel
An actual published novel that people would recognize, or some shitty fanfic?

>> No.19818628

>>19818443
If you think "magic systems" or worldbuilding are important to narrative, you have failed to understand the fundamentals of storytelling. Stop playing video games and read a book.

>> No.19818677

>>19818628
cringe, 99% of fiction is is save the cat + world building

>> No.19818695

>>19818677
99% of fiction is shit, enjoy your toiletworld

>> No.19818707

>>19818695
Unironically retarded.

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19818806

This is the level of this general

>> No.19818809

>>19818806
Yes, I am but a simple fool who wishes to escape his mundane life.

>> No.19818811

>>19818695
Fiction is what you call good fantasy, actually.

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19819136

The french cover of Carrion Comfort is some nerd-baiting of the highest order

>> No.19819229

Im writing a book about an autistic dwarf girl

>> No.19819254

wish there was more light hearted stuff...

>> No.19819305

>>19815160
Highly recommend He who fights with monsters. Reading it on Royal Road, its up to chapter 573 atm

>> No.19819320

>>19819254
Bakker.

>> No.19819322

>>19817792
Sounds fun, I was in the mood for something like this. Read and enjoyed Eisenhorn a year or so back so I'll add Trollslayer to the list with Gaunt's Ghost as I was told that's fun too.

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19819497

>write sci fi society that abolished gender centuries ago
>write group of people that are literally called "gender fetishists" in universe because they get off by play acting old gender roles
>this group causes untold damage across the world through inane conspiracies and revenge plots and directly leads to women being pushed out of power politics
>after they are exposed women immediately bounce back to equal status with men

>trannies reee'd at you because that's obviously transphobic and literal violence and a genocide
>add a line in the last chapter of the last book about how "uuhhh gender is actually good and we should maybe go back to exploring it instead of just making biology the sole differentiator"

I saw their trash in another book that is set in a world where gender roles had been made irrelevant and it's acknowledged that they're mostly arbiterary nonsense and the sexes are equal, but there's still tranny characters and the cops ask you your pronouns and some people use "they" and their sex is never revealed.

May all troons die painfully, I hate nobody else, but I hate them. Every single one is mentally ill and half of them are abusive assholes. STAY OUT OF MY FICTION YOUR SHIT IS DUMB AND MAKES NO SENSE.

>> No.19819539

>>19819497
and here you are ree'ing like a tranny

>> No.19819587

>>19819497
and yet you post tranime

>> No.19819602

>>19819497
>locon will never create another character as spunky as this

>> No.19819659

>>19819539
>>19819587
Dilate.

>> No.19819726

>>19819497
>Anime
Unironically did not read.

>> No.19819764

>>19816903
The underground city full of morlocks and some kind of lovecraftian horror was such a great moment

>> No.19819774
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19819774

Any recommendations for glorious high elves?

>> No.19819788

>>19819774
malazan i guess

>> No.19819820

>>19819497
Ah, so you read Too Like The Lightning.

>> No.19819827

>>19819602
Are you sure that isn't the female version they made?

>> No.19819831 [DELETED] 

Any SFF books about killing liberals and communists and the sweet taste of revenge?

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>>19819831
Wrong general, chud.

>> No.19819879

>>19819871
You wouldn't say that if I asked for a rec for books about killing conservatives and capitalists

>> No.19819893

>>19814514
Thoughts on Brandon Sanderson?

>> No.19819907

>>19819893
He's overhated imo

>> No.19819910

>>19819879
Funny that you assume I'm an American, chud. I couldn't care less.

>> No.19819933

>>19819910
So you think ideology is specific to United States? Found the retard

>> No.19819939

>>19819893
Writes good first books of series but doesn't finish stories well and bloats them.

>> No.19819941

>>19819831
Fuck off back to /pol/, poltard.

>> No.19819990

>>19819941
Cry about it bitch boy

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>>19817559
>JANNY

>> No.19820019

>>19817559
Is this where Sanderson got his Mistborn ideas or something?

>> No.19820039

>>19818472
>you're going to trip over what you think you're "supposed to" do
Isn't that the whole point of crafting a narrative though? Figure out how to find a solution to a conflict given only the preset rules you've made for yourself before writing the story in the first place?
>>19818628
>worldbuilding isn't a fundamental part of storytelling
LMAO you clearly haven't tried to write anything in your entire life, you are out of your mind retarded

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>>19819893
His fans words.

>> No.19820106

>>19820088
>Brandon's focus on the mechanics of magic turns it into fantastical physics, not magic
>Doesn't understand the difference between hard and soft magic systems
Filtered

>> No.19820181

>>19820088
I agree with most those but Sanderson shouldn't do a sequel to Elantris and warbreaker. I have not read them but Mistborn really drops off in quality after Well of Ascension and especially after Alloy of the Law. Mistborn would have been best as a standalone I think. Long series and even trilogies are overrated.

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19820244

How do you like your spaceship aesthetics?

>>>/qst/5141010

>> No.19820312

>>19818282
>I'd recommend "Shadeslinger" and "Dungeon Crawler Carl"

>"Shadeslinger"
It's the same normal shit of "in an online game", like everything else on the market

>"Dungeon Crawler Carl"
It got real shit after book one. The stupid cat got more and more focus, the book became about the cat almost. Also fuck that footfag AI

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>>19820244
Probably the only good thing to come out of 40k is their ships.

>> No.19820592

>>19820039
>literally has never read a book

>> No.19820633

>>19820592
What do you hope to accomplish with this terrible bait besides giving me (You)s?

>> No.19820641

>>19820592
Not him, but based on your asinine understanding of literature and trivial dismissal of world building, neither have you.

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19820762

imblyign a femMC has bigger balls than Sabriel

>> No.19820972

>>19820762
Is that a boy or a girl on that cover?

>> No.19820993

>>19820762
Jirel of Joiry

>> No.19821028

>>19820972
Use context clues.

>> No.19821076

>Villainous character of the evil church organization who burns people alive has the main character on the ropes
>He's sussing out all the secret details of the MC and his gay lord patron
>Calls all of the activity they've been up to "Queer" meaning strange
>Realizes he's commited a heckin homoph*be
>Blushes and runs away in shame crying at his biogtry
ffs

>> No.19821167

>>19821076
Why read them if they will bother you? Is that part of the attraction to them?

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19821188

>start reading a book
>the main character is great
>a pure and morally just hero
>he's then killed off because he was a decoy protag and the rest of the story follows a bunch of antiheroes and villains
I hate it so much.

>> No.19821217

>>19819893
All plot no depth. YA level stuff.

>> No.19821340

>>19821188
Sounds pretty good

>> No.19821344

>>19821167
I don't like dropping books once I've started reading them. But this one is getting progressively (ha) worse by the page.

>> No.19821387

> book starts with thing I like
> I like book
> book does thing thing I no like
> I no like book
> book insults me for not liking thing
> I take book outside and beat it up
> book takes revenge with papercut
> I take out lighter and set book on fire
> book smolders with fury
> I win

>> No.19821390

>>19821387
based

>> No.19821405

>>19821387
>physical books
cringe

>> No.19821448

>>19821167
>i don't like thing
>you haven't read enough thing to know thing

>i don't like thing i'm reading
>don't read thing then
every single thread there's one of these exchanges

>> No.19821493

>>19821448
>metacomplaint about thread
every single thread there's one of these slick fellows

>> No.19821499

> book starts with non-rape
> I don't like book
> book does pozzed I no like
> I no like book
> book insults me for non liking pozzed
> I take book outside and beat it up
> book takes revenge with papercut
> I take out lighter and set book on fire
> book smolders with fury
> I win

>> No.19821510

>>19821499
Well, that was a rather quick imitation. I'm flattered.

>> No.19821539

>>19821510
you're welcome

>> No.19821552

Does Buryoku ever stop being bad? I am ~40% into book 2 and it's painful. The protagonist makes me wish someone would just kill him already.

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19821644

Bakker, where are you?

>> No.19821673

>>19821387
I just delete books that piss me off. There is absolutely no merit in tolerating things you don't like.

>> No.19821745

>>19821673
I just kill people that piss me off. There is absolutely no merit in tolerating people you don't like.

>> No.19821762

>>19821745
Dangerously based

>> No.19821770

>>19821745
Basedly dangerous

>> No.19821922

>>19821745
Basado

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>>19821745

>> No.19822136

>It's an NTR chapter

>> No.19822146

>>19822136
dropped

>> No.19822155

I feel like the rate at which you people talk about cucking/NTR is higher than the rate at which is appears in sff literature.

>> No.19822159

Yo is it true that the percy jackson series became super sjw in the later books?
I remember reading the first series as a kid and it was pretty normal.

>> No.19822163

>>19822155
That's because most people here spend more time reading anime nonsense than they do reading books

>> No.19822165

>>19822155
I only talk about it when I read it though

>> No.19822167

>book is collection fo short stories
>one random story has a paragraph I need to reread like 3 times to digest
>turns out this short story is the graphic description of a little boy being raped by an older man in a theatre
>get super pissed
>rip this entire short story out of the book
>burn the pages
>book on my shelf now has an empty chunk

>> No.19822176

>>19822167
what book

>> No.19822178

>>19822163
How does one even read anime? I mean it is just pictures with few lines of dialogue, what is there to read?

>> No.19822183

>>19822178
Read the subtitles

>> No.19822185

>>19822178
I think he means manga and light novels which are the source of modern anime. Fantasy japshit seems to have a lot of NTR and rape these days.

>> No.19822200

>>19822183
>>19822185
Yeah I meant manga.

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>>19822176
Oh, I even wrote myself a note next to the torn out pages lol.

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>>19822204
absolutely based

>> No.19822212

>>19822204
Based. Send the author this pic on twitter

>> No.19822218

>>19822212
I don't do twatter, but feel free to go ahead and do it on my behalf.

>> No.19822236

>>19822209
>>19822212
The only other time in my life a piece of media has made me that mad was The HIlls Have Eyes.
I ejected it before the rape scene was even finished and broke the disc.
to mention it is one thing, but to graphically depict or describe the act is degeneracy on an unnaceptable level, not entertainment.

>> No.19822240

>>19822167
>>19822204
holy based

>> No.19822246

>>19822204
Bitch

>> No.19822250

>>19822246
Found the pedophile.

>> No.19822253

What's NTR?

>> No.19822254

>>19822204
>>>/reddit/

>> No.19822260

>>19822250
So what?
Foucault is among the greatest philosophers of all time and he advocated it. But somehow we're in the wrong because some retard on 4chan uses pedophilia as an insult.
No, you're wrong. It's not an insult. It shouldn't be illegal.

>> No.19822261

>>19822254
I believe you are mistaken, they support the pedo scene.

>> No.19822269

>>19822260
Pedophilia absolutely the fuck should be.
Fucking a pre pubescent girl is abuse and can only result in damage, never reproduction.
Now if you want to take Hebes and puberty and natural, that's another story.
But actual fucking children is off-limits you sick freak.

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19822272

>No gays
>No blacks
>No NTR
Was he /ourguy/ all along?

>> No.19822273

>>19822261
it is not that, anyone who rips pages out of the book because they got triggered or really for any reason and then posts
(pictures) about it social media is subhuman redditor

>> No.19822279

>>19822260
>Foucault is among the greatest philosophers of all time

>> No.19822283

>>19822273
Because I did it unprompted.
>>19821387
>>19821499
I was adding my true story to the shitposters.

>> No.19822284

>>19822269
Lmao, it's your worthless words vs one of the greatest philosophers of all time.
Pedophilia is completely natural and normal.

>> No.19822293

>>19822284
>Pedophilia is
Just like homosex.
If it can't result in having a baby its unnatural freakshit.
At least with anal and oral it's merely "weird" and noone is actually being damaged and no freaky new incurable diseases are being bred. (GRID)

>> No.19822296

Would you rather have a perfect fantasy book for you but it was so niche it gets discontinued after the first one, just when the bigger plot opened up, or it becomes so popular it gets adapted as a big series but also gets pozzed in the process?

>> No.19822298

>>19822293
Fuck off retard.

>> No.19822303

>>19822296
The former

>> No.19822305

>>19822260
>Foucault is among the greatest philosophers of all time and he advocated it.
>Someone is a great philosopher so everything they said must be true
Brainlet take. Literally appeal to authority without actually thinking.

>> No.19822306

>>19822296
Oh goddamn, that is a hell of a quandary.
...... I'll go with the former, the dead end still leaves my imagination to daydream, the pozzed series bullshit does a good job of overriding that and increases my blood pressure.

>> No.19822307

>>19822296
The perfect fantasy book is a standalone either way.

>> No.19822308

>>19822293
Must men stop having sex with their wives after menopause?

>> No.19822309

>>19822272
No, strong female characters, strong romance element, a lot of time given to females, dialogue is literally all females and it is garbage, mc protag is literally like a supporing character (supporting females), it is garbage and even more garbage given how it was supposed to be (western) xanxia. wight not just failed as a western author (which isn't that hard or even uncommon these days) but he forever ruined the western authors ability and credibility at eastern fantasy. And don't think that it (cradle) will get better because I assure you it will only get worse.

>> No.19822312

This ain't Bakker.

>> No.19822314

>>19822308
I mean, without lube that is damaging, right?
After menopause women literally dry up some down there IIRC? I know they lose elasticity.

>> No.19822320

>>19822253
Doesn't mean anything.

It's just someone shitting up the thread.

>> No.19822323

>>19822253
It's Japanese for cuckolding, basically.

>> No.19822324

>>19822253
It's short for Netorare which is japanese for Cuckoldry Porn
>>19822320
If you don't know, don't answer, spreading misinformation is for the illiterates.

>> No.19822327

>>19822296
I want to say the former one but truthfully, I'd be pretty annoyed if I really liked something that never got finished. And an even sadder truth is that anything can be pozzed retroactively in this age of cheap adaptations so the second isn't that much worse.

>> No.19822330

>>19822324
>>19822323
Since fucking when?

I've been browsing this shit general for years and never once saw that.

My guess is that you weebs have finally taken over.

>> No.19822332

>>19822324
Netoru!
Netori!
Netorare!
Netorase!

>> No.19822334

>>19822330
NTR has been a tag and used for shitposting here a lot longer than cuckoldry. But if you only stay in /lit/ you'd have been late to be exposed to it I guess.

>> No.19822336

>>19822332
>tfw you know what all of these mean

>> No.19822337

>>19822324
>If you don't know, don't answer, spreading misinformation is for the illiterates.
You sure have an extensive vocabulary on cuckoldry.

>> No.19822340

>>19822314
Dryness isn't an issue, american men get mutilated early in childhood and stay dry their entire lives and this didn't stop them from having sex (except those few unlucky 5%ers who had it botched)

>> No.19822341

>>19822330
Japanese LN is true literature and there is nothing you can do about it.
Isekai is the best fantasy trope.

>> No.19822342

>>19822330
>Since fuckin when?
Like I said, if you don't know, don't answer.
It is better to sit in silence having everyone wonder if you are an idiot, than it is to open your mouth and confirm it.

>> No.19822345

>>19822330
>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=ntr

>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=netorare

You just weren't paying attention.

>> No.19822348

>>19822324
>It's short for Netorare which is japanese for Cuckoldry Porn
It has a much broader meaning than just that, actually.

>> No.19822350

It's pretty ironic that I see people on /a/ uses the word cuck more than NTR, and when I browse /sffg/ people use the world NTR instead of cuck.

>> No.19822353
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19822353

The weebs sure are going all out today.

>> No.19822357

>>19822348
I admit that three of these >>19822332 terms were new to me just now.
But I mean, it's a tag I note and then skip, I'm not down with the NTR.

>> No.19822365

>>19822342
Not my problem, cuck.

>> No.19822374

>>19822345
To be fair, NTR is clearly not a /sffg/esque acronym.

>> No.19822375

>>19822350
cuck is /pol/
It's still used a lot. As usual, a few anons can make it seem like it's used. So when those few aren't around it may be none. Same for basically anything really.
>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=cuck

>>19822348
Not even the Japanese agree with it really means. It can get rather broader and stupid though. "I've been NTR'ed because this cute girl who was I about to talk to actually already has a boyfriend!" Alas, jealousy.

>> No.19822377

>>19822283
Prompted or not, your behaviour is reddit tier, kys.

>> No.19822383

>>19822374
>acronym
It's an initialism.

>> No.19822384

>>19822377
>kys.
Says the dipshit talking about "reddit tier"

>> No.19822385

>>19822383
I wouldn't know. I'm not a weeb.

>> No.19822388

>>19822383
I do believe that it is actually an abbreviation as T and R are not the first letters in following words.

>> No.19822392

>>19822385
You don't need to know. Acronyms are said, NASA, LASER, RADAR. Initialism are spoken letter by letter. CIA, FBI, IRS.

>> No.19822398

>>19822392
>Initialism are spoken letter by letter. CIA, FBI, IRS.
>CIA
>Central Intelligence Agency
>NTR
>Netorare
>FBI
>Federal Bureau of Investigation
Abbreviation anon, stop giving english lessons until you've finished taking them.

>> No.19822399

>>19822392
No, not really.

>> No.19822417

>>19822398
Yes, both acronyms and initialism are a type of abbreviation.

>> No.19822425

>>19822384
we are not talking about me, why are you trying to change the subject, you are a fucking re ddit garbage, go back to red dit and kys

>> No.19822436

>>19822417
>CIA
>Central Intelligence Agency
Initialism, much like
>John Smith
>JS
Whereas:
>NTR
>Netorare
is ONE WORD. an INITIAL is when you use the INITIAL LETTER OF EACH WORD to abbreviate MULTIPLE WORDS.
not the initial letter, the middle letter and the next to last letter of one word.
>FBI
>Federal Bureau of Investigation
Again, THIS is an initialism acronym.
>NTR
>Netorare
This is ONLY an abbreviation.
It does not make a pronouncable word so it is not an acronym, it does not have multiple words so it is not initialism.

>> No.19822495

>>19822436
You accept my surrender.

>> No.19822508

Is any of the chink shit good.

>> No.19822514

>>19822495
I do!

>> No.19822528

>>19822508
Only reverend insanity and maybe one or two other works.

>> No.19822533

>>19822528
>reverend insanity
Wasn't that axed by Winnie?

>> No.19822603

>>19822533
It is mostly complete though and there are 2300+ chapters

>> No.19822617

>>19822528
I thought chink shit was all edge or self insert power fantasy, but I enjoyed Way of Choices a lot.

>> No.19822618

>>19822508
>>19822528
What about Three body problem?

>> No.19822631
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>>19819774
The Silmarillion.

>> No.19822655

>>19822617
Most but not all.

>>19822618
Never read it, the fact that it wasn't banned by communists is huge red flag.

>> No.19822659

>>19816903
took me about 5 tries to get into it then i found a better audiobook version with a good narrator.

great series

>> No.19822680

>>19822655
>the fact that it wasn't banned by communists is huge red flag.
It was pretty critical of the Cultural Revolution though. Chinks aren't banning everything anymore, they're hit and miss with censorship these days.

>> No.19822728

>>19820039
>Isn't that the whole point of crafting a narrative though? Figure out how to find a solution to a conflict given only the preset rules you've made for yourself before writing the story in the first place?
Not really. Conflict resolution is for scenes, not for stories. Stories are generally about having someone who thinks they want something, and then having their views of what they want and what they need challenged over the course of a journey. That's the important part. Maybe what they want is the resolution of a conflict, but the thread of the story you write has to be something more internal to the protagonist. All of the "worldbuilding" is just that; it's stuff you put in the world around your protagonist because it allows you to challenge their fundamental beliefs. Everything else is either directly propping that narrative up or is extraneous and needs to be cut. I mean, imagine - if you can - a novel outside of the fantasy genre, one with no "made up" rules. What's important in that is what's important in a fantasy novel, too.

>> No.19822757

>>19822680
Was it supporting of any communist ideas or ideals?
The notion that communists aren't banning left and right or banning less is false, in fact china is getting more authoritarian by day, something may not be openly banned but things like ambiguous censorship laws and low social credit score means that authors and creators simply censor themselves.

>> No.19822764

Is lord of the rings a good place to start for my first fantasy series? Only ever read sci fi. Also I’ve seen the movies like 3 times, do I pretty much already know the whole story or is there a lot more to it?

>> No.19822796

What's a good lit/rpg/ book but sci-fi not fantasy?

>> No.19822808

>>19822796
They're only good if they straddle the line of litRPG imo. Stuff like Iron Prince or Street Cultivation.

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>>19822764
Read this instead. Tolkien is outdated.

>> No.19822814

>>19822764
>Is lord of the rings a good place to start for my first fantasy series?
Yeah, every fantasy afterwards is just a carbon copy of his. So read the original isntead.

>> No.19822815

>>19822764
Read the lion the witch and the wardrobe imo

>> No.19822818

>>19822809
But I am not homosexual

>> No.19822820

>>19822764
Pretty much what these two said >>19822814
>>19822815
start with those series first.

>> No.19822849

>>19822815
Isn’t that more Christian fantasy though?

>> No.19822855

>>19822818
I wasn't talking to you, though. But we all know that transwomen who like men are straight, so.

Congrats on your transition btw.

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>>19822764
Start with the canon. You can't really go wrong.

>> No.19822860

new thread
>>19822858

>> No.19822861

>>19822764
No there's no reason at all to read the books after seeing the movies. Unless you're really into dudes walking in the woods and singing songs for hundreds upon hundreds of pages.

Read something with characterization, pacing, intricacy of plot, and not suffering from christian idealism instead.

>> No.19822863

>>19822757
I don't recall any especially communist ideas being presented. But I'm not a Chink so I may have missed some more subtle elements of communism within their culture.

>> No.19822866

>>19822809
Bakker is Baka

>> No.19822869

>>19822859
Already said I am not homosexual

>> No.19822879

>>19822859
>>19822809
Thank you for the suggestion. This Bakker guy seems to be very popular here. I will give it a go.

>> No.19822912

>>19822849
The Magician's Nephew and The Final Battle are the only ones that I would read as straight up Christian fantasy. The first it doesn't matter much, but the second can only be appreciated as a recontextualization of Revelation. The Horse and His Boy could be read as a screed against Islam but only if you interpret it as the most strawmanned caricature of Islam possible and it's not really useful in that regard.

>> No.19822924

>>19822912
Thanks for the effort post, Rare to see it in this general.

>> No.19823551

>>19820009
For free you say?