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19930122 No.19930122 [Reply] [Original]

How's your book coming along?

>> No.19930150

>>19930122
>""""artists"""" try to reproduce a photograph as accurately as possible
This sort of thing deserves the ridicule it got.

>> No.19930201
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>>19930150
This is the ideal representation of a frog. You may not like it, but this is what peak One Corner style looks like.

>> No.19930228

>>19930150
This. I try to explain to my classically trained painter roommate that Jackson Pollock is just as cute and valid as Caravaggio, but he just doesn't get it. I did some finger painting the other day; I think it's better than his master's thesis, therefore it is.

>> No.19930234

>>19930122
Well, let's see:
>self-published personal short fiction in anthology
>sent manuscript of novel to my dad
>family is concerned
>best friend thinks I should quit drinking
>moving innawoods in five months without a single power tool or typewriter in my ouvre.
tell me I'm still gonna make it

>> No.19930252

>>19930228
Fortunately a lot of people don't agree with you, therefore you're wrong

Fortunately we have stepped away from pure technical ability in painting since that has became obsolete and mostly a curiosity.

Fortunately you're a fucking retard and will enjoy your endless subjective vs objective art argument. The rest of us has moved on.

>> No.19930257

>>19930234
imagine if henry miller sent a manuscript to his 21st c. bourgeois family for approval

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>>19930252
Fortunately you sound like enough of a massive faggot that I can disregard this post off-hand

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>>19930201
That's one happy frog. What's his secret? It looks like he has a secret.

>> No.19930280

Just started, it's going good though. Around 3k words in.

>> No.19930303
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>>19930122
I've written the second part of my first novel. Technically, my second novel. The reviewers said it's great. For the first novel I sold 200. 100, at least to friends and family. For the second novel, I don't know yet. I have less friends and less family now so I may have to think about strategies for selling my stuff since the publisher won't do shit. I don't have any presence on the social media because I don't care about people. What are some tips to actually shill your novel and give it some presence in the real world?

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>>19930271
The sage Ryokan admired bamboo, for it grows straight and is empty inside. His hut was surrounded by bamboo, and one day he noticed a shoot growing through the floor of his closet. He took great interest in the shoot, and as it grew too large for its enclosure he decided to burn a small hole in his thatched roof. He took a candle to the roof, but the thatching caught fire more readily than he expected, burning his hut and the bamboo to the ground.

>> No.19930342

>>19930262
Yeah, well.

>> No.19930344

I love democracy.

>> No.19930348

>>19930257
then maybe he wouldn't have written his brainrot nigger shit tier smut """literature""" for mongrel mongoloids, so it would be for the

>> No.19930352

>>19930303
>What are some tips to actually shill your novel and give it some presence in the real world?
Post it here. I just hope it's something good and not just genre fiction shit.

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>>19930348

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>>19930122
I have become way too disjointed for normal people. Not sure if my heart's in it

>> No.19930388

Finished my 94k literary fantasy at the end of Jan. Finished editing it last Sunday.

Now I'm querying, and I hate it. The waiting is horrible.

>> No.19930408

>>19930122
Got a new professional cover a few months ago.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B094KYWD3P

>> No.19930419

>>19930378
I don't know why anons here keep thinking they need to be relatable to the normal person in order to be successful in a creative field. It's the opposite; no one wants to see writings of their lives reflected, they want to experience others. You're still a human being in the end. Don't let your own conformity irreparably ruin your craft, shine and use words to not merely write and communicate, but to paint on that digital paper as of if a canvas it were.
I don't know anyone who reads that wants to see an account of their drab lives etched in pages. Perhaps reflections on it, sure, but there's a million ways to go about it, and trust me, the public in general, even those normies you see in disdain so often, prefer the more vibrant executions of this process.
Be a schizo and the world will welcome you with open arms. If you were merely a normal individual of the lot, a drab John Doe with nothing else but their monotone routines going for them, then I'd tell you to quit right here and now.
Just learn to fucking write. Let the rest, be it misery or success, come.

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>>19930355
>t.

>> No.19930428

>>19930378
life, aye?

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>>19930122
i don't read or write

>> No.19930594

>>19930257
I truly think my dad should've been a novelist but he became a businessman and provided for his family as a compromise.

>> No.19930627

>>19930329
What a tard.

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>>19930122
Attention troops: you will never be a woman. Also, fuck niggers.

>> No.19930808

>>19930352
If you like vampires, fiction and ESLs...

>> No.19930939

>>19930122
Soulful depuration and ideal representation vs tryhard souless eikasia

>> No.19930994

>>19930122
Well, I've got the /lit/erary part. Emphasis on the /lit/. Otherwise, not too much career.

>> No.19931004

>>19930408
There he is!

>> No.19931020

Thinking about querying agents tomorrow. Any advice on how to go about it? Other than the obvious "keep word count reasonable/query for your genre" shit.

>> No.19931029
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>>19930122
Pretty good, just published my second book (pic related) and doing all the promo stuff for it now. Sending off copies to various reviewers, bloggers etc, it's a hard road doing all your own publicity when you're published with a small indie press but that's life.

>> No.19931044

Been published in a bunch of zines. Now i'm being asked if I want to release a poetry book. But my friends say I need an agent and to know about marketing bullshit so I don't get screwer and it all seems like a bunch of extra shit that will stop me from writing more. I kind of loathe the idea of fame honestly, no matter how infantisimal. I don't know what's wrong with me and i'm entirely aware that a lot of people here might hate me for complaining about "making it", but I legitimately don't know what to do with myself.

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Why is publishing such a big deal? You can order thousands of leaflets online, isn't it the exact same technology and materials for printing and binding cheap books? It's the current year and authors should have an easier, cheaper way of publishing their work. How difficult would it be to set up an operation where books would be printed ad hoc from online orders? This way you wouldn't have to commit to thousands of copies at once and just ship what is being bought.

>> No.19931115

>>19931084
>What is Lulu?
It's okay bro. People who finished their manuscripts are already on it.

>> No.19931118

>>19931029
Any tips on that? Also good luck, you seem to be on the right track.

>> No.19931134

>>19931115
Oh wow I never knew this platform existed. Makes me think even lowlier of authors who struggle to get published when there's such an amazing tool available.

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based; wagmi; faggots cope; pls read

>> No.19931155

>>19930228
caravaggio painted before the camera existed, it made sense to aim towards realism back then. why paint a photorealistic frog instead of looking at a photograph of a frog? have you seen jackson pollock's early works?

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>>19930228
I often post about the decline of visual arts in contemporary culture but I literally make abstract meme paintings myself

>> No.19931199

>>19931138
Explain the cuttlefish NOW

>> No.19931305

I've been writing a "my diary desu" about when I used to live in a college city studing at a uni that I dropped. I'm close to finish it but for sure I won't publish it, I see it more like a writing exercise and and an answer about what I did in those failed years. Funny how (I discovered this a few days ago) what I wrote equals to 150/160 pages of a standard book, I thought it was much less. Anyway, it kinda reminds of Elliott Rodgers Manifesto

>> No.19931309

>>19930122
Another win for lit-rpg bros

>> No.19932199

>>19930329
that's retardded, you should never let bamboo creep close to your house, otherwise you have to literally excavate a 2 foot deep hole and replace the earth in order to get rid of them. I live north of Quebec City, we have a division that's all bamboo because it grows insanely quickly and cut off the neighbors completely, but it is a fucking pain to manage.

>> No.19932212

>>19930122
still working on creating the despaire code
Im meetign with the director of F3IUJ on saturday to access the stuff the ystole from the vatican during ww2
hopefully the mind calcification problem can be solved soon

>> No.19932258

I've had several short stories and several poems published. I am currently at work on a big story that will span multiple books and works and which will be both grand and intimate in scope. It is my life's work, the story I feel I was born to tell.

I've finished the first two books as well as a short story that follows from those books. About to start work on the third book. I am not sure what to do with the first book. I have queried many agents and not gotten much of an answer. I got something hopeful from one agent but he wants me to wait and write him again in the spring.

The trouble with the first book is that it is rather long; it's almost 140,000 words long. I had a small press tell me that it needs to be rewritten because it's so long. But, in truth, I'm not sure what I can cut. It's not my first book-length story; I've written several novels that were never accepted anywhere, and I've even written long fanfics. So I know what a long story should and shouldn't look like, and there's not a lot in this book that I think I could cut or rearrange. It is what it is. Maybe I could reword some things, take out a few instances of repetition, but that would not get it short enough for what the small press wanted.

One thing I have thought of lately is releasing it in serialized format. Releasing it a section at a time, and using my social media to promote it. I do have a fair amount of followers on various platforms. The trouble is, where would I put it? I've poked around various serialized fiction platforms, like Wattpad and Kindle Vella and Royal Road. None of them seem to be what I'm looking for.

>> No.19932277

>>19931020
I just started too. I got a solid query letter, because that's what I was lead to believe was needed.

Turns out, you also need a solid summary, and often a one sentence pitch that's exciting.

Honestly, it hasn't even been a week, I've only queried 8 people, but I despise agents. They seem like the worst type of people.

>> No.19932280

>>19930122
There's so much litrpg that i doubt my story even exists in reality anymore

>> No.19932289

>>19932258
You could literally just post it on a blog site like wordpress or whatever; if people end up liking it they will buy a real copy. I like your serialized idea, people loved that shit in the 19th century. It breaks it into more approachable chunks for normies and it also can make use of cliffhanger method if you want.

Anyway good luck, I know my post is not much help lol

>> No.19932295

Got an offer from a hybrid press not too long ago for my first poetry book. I'm still waiting for responses from mainstream publishers, but I'm trying to decide between going with them and just doing it myself. I write counter-culture-y stuff, generally, so breaking through into the mainstream is almost in impossibility, even though I've won awards and been published many times. Basically, shit's tough, b.

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>>19930271
>tfw you'll never be a frog and understand the secret

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>>19932289
Thanks, Anon. Wordpress, I confess, is something I hadn't fully considered until now. But now it's growing on my mind more. Why not? It's a good format. It's worked for tons of people, why wouldn't it work for me?

Also, yeah, I am really interested in the idea of serializing the story. The thing is, I've also written some fanfiction before; I was a fanfic writer before I moved into original fiction. Fanfiction is always released serialized, and I became pretty good at mastering when to release a chapter. How much to delay, how to build up hype. How long to go between chapters, and to make that length of time different when the hype levels are greater versus when they're lesser. So serialization is definitely on my mind and I think it could get me an audience.

I'd just need to make sure the formatting would be right, because there's some poetry in this story and I need the formatting to work for that. I have a Substack, but I abandoned putting the story on that because Substack doesn't format verses of poetry properly.

>> No.19932373

>>19932343
Substsck has an awful design, unnavigable. Actually the site I was thinking of is Blogger. Wordpress also has a bad design for browsing archives. Blogspot is also not bad but nobody uses that anymore it seems

Anyway you want a site where its extremely easy for people to just click on obvious stuff, and they can find a little sidebar menu for the chapters, and absolutely no ads or anything like that, uncluttered, just the text to make them immerse in it. Gutenberg has by far the best online design I've seen for reading books; the text is always scaled to your screen and there is nothing else there; but that's obviously a public domain site.

Anyway just some ideas

>> No.19932377

>>19932295
what do you write about?

>> No.19932459

>>19932377
This particular work isn't as much in that vein, but it doesn't spew the usual Marxist stuff, so it's sort of by default counter-culture-y. If anything, this one's just dark humour.

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>>19930419
Thanks anon. I guess I worry I'll reveal too much or slip up mentally in front of people. Something I just have to get over

>> No.19933062

first drawing has soul

>> No.19933398

>>19930419
A lot of writers who start write a novel about their own hometown. That's not because they particularly like it, or because they want to reflect their own lives. That's because normies like to read about their hometown. Politicians and media like to talk about novels about their city/town. So they'd rather spread the word about the adventures of Peter of Bumfucktown, Missouri, than those of Gerdrel of Reevia.

>> No.19933427

>>19931155
Caravaggio wasn't aiming at le epic camera copy though. He used specific conventions in his paintings. Copying a photograph is not comparable to painting realism from life. This discourse is mind fuckingly idiotic but sadly people read books written by Jews about modernism and think they know about art, whereas to know about art you should fucking learn to paint.

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>hurts just a little

>> No.19933444

Also the funny part is that both images in the OP are made by bugmen. One is made by someone who copies a photograph, which is completely void of vision. The only mental effort involved is in choosing the photograph to copy, then you have to literally act like a printer in that you need to match colors and lines with the help of a grid or other guide. The other image is the usual tired post-modern shit take made by another braindead moron with no creativity. One is #1 the other is #2 but the reason why one sits above the other is simply because it would have been funnier as a meme. The people who voted themselves had no taste whatsoever in how the interfaced with the submitted artwork. Literally all which happened in the OP could have been the work of bots, because the way people reason today can be easily boiled down to a python script.

Remember that if you are making or have made a heartfelt work of art you must destroy it.

>> No.19933465

>>19931175
that's one way to prove your point

>> No.19933554

>>19930329
>asian wisdom

>> No.19933577

>>19930228
La photographie a libéré la peinture.

>> No.19933731

>>19930122
Picrel is what happens every single time there's an election of any kind.

Why are people so surprised?

>> No.19933982

>>19930419
except when youre too unhinged... you need something relatable else people will be confused and only a very select few will care. if this is what you want so be it but it is a very hard road and you will have to tank a lot of punches

>> No.19934024

>>19930252
Stop being a pretentious little shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDDGZxb6YhM

>> No.19934140

>>19930201
Based Sengai poster.

>> No.19934665

>>19933982
>>19930419
>>19930378
If you're going to be unhinged, go all the way and let the select few care. If you're going to write relatably, you must practice the formulas over and over. If you middle-of-the-road it, you will get neither fans nor recognition from based readers. At worst you will create a niche commune of insufferable selfsuckers.

This is why Ezra's Nandos and Rupi's Milk&Cummy, or Finniggers' Wake/50 shades are both miles above the endless stacks of trite which is neither unhinged nor widely appealable. Also why pleddit is unlimited cringe compared to chans or IG. Pick a path and hit its logical conclusion, lest you revel in permanent mediocrity.

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I have to catch up to Frank, working on book 3 today... I have a great scene where the main character is having a fist fight with a drag queen wearing a "she/they" bracelet.

He is MKultra'ed so he can't punch the "woman" but finds a sharpie while the drag queen is beating his ass and uses the sharpie to blot out the "s" and "t" and "y" so the bracelet reads he/he, and then is able to deliver a fucking beating.

>> No.19934902

>>19934702
lmao Jesus Christ, Jason?

>> No.19935289

>>19930637
Peanut butter you asshole

>> No.19936038

>>19935289
never even tried it. Is it better than chocolate?

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>>19934902
You bet my nigga

>> No.19936394

>>19930122
both of these frogs suck

>> No.19936547

>>19933577
Bazin is a retard who, for some reason, thinks painting should represent the soul or idea behind the material while simultaniously claiming that photography is better the more objectively it represents material reality, disregarding the spiritual. His ability for contradiction is admirable.

>> No.19936568

>>19936547
>photography is better the more objectively it represents material reality
but photography does not represent material reality that it is trying to capture at all? at best it represents some particular subset of photons captured by the lens

>> No.19937553

>>19936568
Not for Bazin, he claims photography is ontologically true and that it's the only art that would be better if there were no human intervention. He can't decide if he is a dualist or a materialist and every contradiction in his work comes from this.

>> No.19937587

>>19934702
Where can we read books 1 and 2?

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>>19930122
I'm surprisingly confident and happy about it.
Never in my life had I considered becoming an author, but once I started it came so naturally to me, it was like love at first sight.
And differently from every single other hobby I tried to pick up, I didn't slow down at all even after a long time. On the contrary, I write even more now, and every single day.
Of course I might not become a big author, but I'm content in doing it anyway.

>> No.19937634

>>19930271
>What's his secret? It looks like he has a secret.
He has commited unspeakable acts, he has arrest warrants in multiple states and countries for feliny charges, and he is suspect of aiding in the 9/11 world trade center attack.
He's smiling because he got away with ALL if it, and no one will ever know.
Im behind 7 proxies and dont actually exist, dont show this to him though.

>> No.19937684

>>19930234
>typewriter
What? You dont have pencil and paper or something? Are you seriously that cringe and gay that you cant write your original manuscrips by hand? Are your feeble little fingers to weak to stand writing a lot? LMAO no wonder your works will never be read, that is PATHETIC HAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.19937761

>>19931155
Yeah, they look like shit. He's just not talented.
I'm not saying artists should replicate photos, just that they should have some level of skill to be respected. I like Zdzsislaw Beksinski (however you spell that), which is abstract modern art

>> No.19937953

>>19931138
Well done. Can you help me edit my book?

>> No.19937968

>>19932373
Hey, it's >>19932258 again. I looked into Blogger and it does look like it might be a good fit. The trouble is that when you make a blog on Blogger it's technically owned by Google, which makes me somewhat hesitant to publish there.

But I suppose I'd run into that problem anywhere I put it.

>> No.19938042

Finished the first draft and now I'm having a break before going back and editing what I can. Hoping to get it out this year though.

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My best friend stopped talking to me after I sent him the draft of my novel... I shouldn't have had Bill Clinton rolling around in a suit with a fellatio chamber containing a woman on her knees...I knew the public wasn't ready for my genius yet, but I am Icarus...I had to go for it.

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>>19938717
At least that means he read it. My friends didn't even do that because they don't read at all. How do I get someone to actually read my stuff?

>> No.19940006

>>19931020
I've just started this. I've spent several hours browsing agents and so far 99% of them say they prefer women/bipoc authors and stories about the same. Most of them have the same shitty haircut and oversized glasses. What is it about the profession that exclusively draws that exact type of person?

>> No.19940019

I imagine this is similar to how all those investigative journalists from the 90s feel when they read Vice article headlines that are a mishmash of woke diversity buzzwords.

>> No.19940036

>>19937761
Beksinski is not abstract, even in his most expressionist stuff he's strongly figurative and representational

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>>19939701
>How do I get someone to actually read my stuff?
You don't. People who like good literature usually don't read new authors, and especially don't read amateurs. The only people who read amateur writing are depraved fanfiction/genreshit readers and publishers.

>> No.19940098

>>19940064
You forgot the part where they're all amateur writers themselves so in case you form a community it will instantly turn into a shill 4f4 circlejerk

>> No.19940118

>>19930122
>soul vs soulless

>> No.19940153

>>19934702
Wtf this is awesome where can I read your shit

>> No.19941464

>>19930150
It's a balance. Some of modern art is literally literal shit. Photorealism is impressive in terms of skill, but boring to look at.

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>>19930228
>I did some finger painting the other day; I think it's better than his master's thesis, therefore it is.
kek

>> No.19941554

>>19930252
Holy reddit.

>> No.19941594

I write down any ideas I get. I want to write a fantasy story. But lately I've gotten this idea for the story involving time travel (specifically a looper character who loses his power during the story, establishing the story as the ultimate loop) and I don't know if it fits or not, but conceptually I think it'll work. I know that time travel is a very divisive topic.

I also want to write a middle/high school drama loosely based around the completely absurd "and everyone clapped" shit that happened in my life. It might be good for practice.

>> No.19941704

>>19940064
What are you supposed to do against this bullshit?

>> No.19941971

Wrote about an 80 page short story that I'm polishing up now. After that I have no clue what I'll do with it. Throw it in a drawer for people to find after i die?

>> No.19941997

>>19939701
"I'll read yours if you read mine" is basically the way it works in amateur circles. I've sent mine to three close people and only one read the first few pages when it wasn't as big. Still waiting on opinions.

>> No.19942023

>>19941704
Move on to productive hobbies.

>> No.19942032

>>19941704
Don't let the doomer dissuade you. Writing for pleasure is about the same as drawing for pleasure. It may not end up on a bookshelf in Walmart one day but you had a hell of a good time writing it and that's all that matters. Also submit unsolicited to dozens of publishers. Worst they can say is no i guess.

>> No.19942116

>>19930150
Photorealism is art, they understand the beauty of geometry and nature. The amount of knowledge and understanding of the natural world you need to know is phenomenal; look at the way they've captured how light should reflect off the frog perfectly. Stuff like that is extremely difficult to reproduce, and yet everyone can notice at a glance if it's slightly off. It's great to be able to draw like that, because then you can extend and do what Lorne Lanning eventually did with Oddworld.

>> No.19942147

>>19942116
The 1st place picture looks better. I'm saying this without a morsel of irony.

>> No.19942330

>>19930122
reminds me of that screencap i've seen a couple of times over the years where an art student explains how he spent the whole semester carving a realistic dragon/serpent in wood and it was finally exposed next to a crude papier mâché sculpture made in a day by another student of a guy sucking his own dick.

>> No.19942404

>>19931134
Well let's say you print 2000 copies of your book, what's your plan for actually selling them?

>> No.19942686
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>>19942032
They say yes, but they also say that I need to do the selling myself so we are back to the start. Nobody is going to read my books unless I go door by door, it seems. I like writing precisely because I don't have to interact with people. Taking away that takes away most of the fun. And a lot of time.

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>>19930271
>It looks like he has a secret.
you bet

>> No.19942958

>>19942686
That's the most unfortunate part about creative work is the realization that you either have to trust someone with a business sense or develop it yourself which is usually a soulless endeavor. However we do (unfortunately) live in the age of the internet where you could shill your stuff to literally any platform. Take out a massive lone and go raid shadow legends for a book i suppose.

>> No.19942991

>>19942958
loan*

>> No.19943062

>>19937684
I lost my computer and 40000 words of my novel in spring 2021. Been writing on yellow legal notepads ever since.

>> No.19944152

>>19930150
2nd place isn't exactly ridicule, and that artist should be grateful, and probably learn a lesson instead of getting butthurt. Photorealism is technical, not creative, and I'm perfectly fine that the cartoon frog won first place, even though popular vote is a stupid way to win contests (unless it's for fun) because voters just meme it up.

>> No.19944221

>>19943062
I do not want to advocate for computers but you could simply keep backups. I no longer write on my desktop but I still automate two backups in different places, one daily and one weekly.

>> No.19944232

>>19944221
What I've been doing is typing out my notepads then emailing them to myself.

>> No.19944239

>>19942958
you have never written anything

>> No.19944243

>>19944232
I keep all my files on the OneDrive TM by Microsoft Office265

>> No.19944249

>>19944232
do you know that cloud storage exists?

>> No.19944258

>>19944249
he is basically using it if he's on gmail, only just like a retarded person

>> No.19944272

>>19944249
cloud storage is jewish

>> No.19944301

>>19944272
if you are not using pgp to encrypt those emails you are a giant retard, see>>19944258

>> No.19945634

>>19944239
Poor bait. Try harder next time.

>> No.19946008

>>19930122

I am currently in benzo withdrawam hell confined to my bedroom taking my pregnant wife's adderall and writing between 10-50 pages a day. I am very miserable. Everyone who has read the work so far says it's brilliant and totally unique. I just keep chugging on ahead and then do a lot of editing so that every sentence feels like poetry.

I don't care about a writing career. They are all posers and grommits, I only write for my friends and anyone they feel compelled to share it with.

>> No.19946030

>>19930150
This. Thinking art is supposed to be a showcase for effort and skill is a true midwit take. The world is not a big talent contest

>> No.19946035

>>19946008
Can we see it?