Bible Thread III - Edición de Santiago

[Anonymous No.20217070]

Looks like the Protestants are going to have to remove another book from the Bible.

>What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

>Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

-The General Epistle of James 2:14-26 KJV

[Anonymous No.20217095]

>>20217070
They can just ignore that bro , just like prosperity gospel people like to ignore the book of Job

[Anonymous No.20217099]

>chantards LARPing as Christians
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.20217117]

>>20217099
>Fuck off

[Anonymous No.20217129]

I need help bros. I’ve felt increasingly demoralized as of late because of a passage I read, and the more research I’ve done into it, the more my beliefs into it are reaffirmed. From 1 John 2:15-17–

>15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
>16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
>17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

I’ve (likely wrongly) interpreted this to mean that we must give up on the modernity of the world and focus on achieving salvation and deliverance from Christ. I did more research into this, and just read about things saying that Satan rules this place and that we’re wallowing in Satan’s playpen here on Earth. And no, this isn’t mentioned once throughout the Bible.
>https://www.openbible.info/topics/not_of_this_world
It explains much about the state of the world, but I’m feeling disheartened because of this and I wanted to hear what other anons think about this.

[Anonymous No.20217138]

>>20217129
Isn’t mentioned just once* Sorry, terrible wording.

[Anonymous No.20217145]

>>20217117
how christian of you

[Anonymous No.20217176]

Evil is the absence of good.
Yes or no?
Explain.
>>20217129
Learn Κοινέ and read the Textus Receptus instead of the KJV.
Jokes aside, I think the most simplified example of this would be if your given a choice by God to depart the earth to Heaven judged free of sin, even considering all that which you have on earth be it money, power, even a family, and having to give up all the work you've done to get where you are, would you take it?
Satan is the prince of the world insofar as he has no power in and of himself, but derrives it from the Sin in the hearts of men who could so easily forgo if they chose to.
Modernity is a relative word and should never be used in an absolute sense: what is modern for us now shall be antiquity for the future and what was once antiquity had been also seen through the lens of modernity.
Such is similar to what Herodotus said in regard to retrospect:
>For many states that were once great have now become small: and those that were great in my time were small formerly.

[Anonymous No.20217182]

>>20217129
It doesn't mean you should shun anything, just that you shouldn't give it any importance.
the passions, as some call those desires, are the issue.
don't put things above God, and know He is everything you need, and the only important thing is doing His will. basically.

[Anonymous No.20217192]

>>20217176
No. suffering is not inherently bad, and it is the absence of comfort.
as for a practical example, someone who suffers will learn how to live with or around it, as someone who doesn't would be called spoiled, because they would not learn those things.

[Anonymous No.20217200]

>>20217176
I meant modernity more as in the ever growing and prevalent evils in the world today, but I understand what you mean. Satan has dominion over sinners and sinners have power through him and thus thrive in his realm here. What do you think of the phrase “Not of this world”?

[Anonymous No.20217207]

>>20217200
literally the opposite. the devil has power because of sin (and therefore sinners) and they're slaves to their own sin. there's no "power" in it, just some people need bigger temptations to give in.

[Anonymous No.20217210]

>>20217200
Aa for the last one, in what context?

[Anonymous No.20217234]

>>20217207
Well these slaves to sin sure hold a lot of power here on Earth.
>>20217210
I meant in the context of how it’s mentioned in the Bible multiple times. It’s interesting to me how it’s used and the many passages it’s seen in. I linked it earlier but I’ll put it here again:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/not_of_this_world
I’d copy paste the whole page but I don’t think it’d fit lol

[Anonymous No.20217243]

>>20217234
Ask them if they would let go of their riches or "power".

i didn't get your question then. what do you mean what i think about it?

[Anonymous No.20217246]

>duuude chiliasm / millennialism is a heresy
Why does this cope exist? The 1000-year kingdom is the only reading of Revelation that makes sense

[Anonymous No.20217266]

"Not of this world" simply means, not of this world, but in the context of our one true God, it refers to 'the world to come' - the afterlife. There is where we meet Christ - Son of the all-knowing Father - and come to be among the infinite in communion with true unity
>>20217192
I didn't say suffering was bad in and of itself.
Women - too - are quite literally an absence of Man, be it the algebraic reduction of the XY as compared to the XX chromosomal pair, and the more 'carnal' element, but women are not in and of themselves evil.
Equal duality is a malicious freemason concept, one of the two always has the advantage - how can darkness 'illuminate' light?
>>20217200
>>20217207
In Satan being a fallen spirit, where can he fall? Spirits - good or bad - do not follow Eucidian Geometry and they can appear in multiple places at the same time (Legion). So - logically - he can only fall from Good to Evil, but - in realising that we live always by God's grace whether we know it or not - there is a greater absence than simply a lack thereof, and that is a vaccum. We live on this earth - flat or not, it still holds in terrestrial physics - that has a pressurised atmosphere, warmth, and breathable oxygen: take those away and one's skin will split, blood will boil, and lungs shall rupture. Now, picture that but of a spiritual nature, tempting, enticing, and seducung, for we are made in God's Image and have Free Will, but a simple 2D photograph is not the true model, for we know both Good and Evil, but so does God, yet only benevolence and benediction is his way. So, as nature abhors a vaccuum, it is our duty to overwhelm evil with righteousness, repay confession with forgiveness, and meet mistakes with mercy.

[Anonymous No.20217270]

>>20217145
Says the heretic, enjoy hellfire.

[Anonymous No.20217277]

>>20217099
stop larping as a non-christian please

[Anonymous No.20217289]

>>20217266
here's another argument, made by Lewis, mangled a bit by me summarizing it:
evil is nothing but good distorted. there can be no evil without good to be warped.
even in its existence, it has to take from God's benevolence.
as he says, "see now why the devil is a fallen angel?"

[Anonymous No.20217328]

>>20217289
Take this analogy: Evil is as a house of cards, edified by excuses, and juxtaposed by justifications, all built up one after the other in coutntless levels of lies and decpetions like a Babylonian Tower to distort the perception of that which is objectively Good. Unfortunately, there are scarce few Dr. Evils who boast of their dastardly doings publicly, but rejoice in the fact that Evil presents itself never more than the counterfeit of Good, and without a watermark all its efforts can simply be cut down by Ockham's Razor since not only is brevity the soul of wit, but in the wit of the soul is brevity: Logos; and the only card Jesus Christ needs is the King of Hearts.

[Anonymous No.20217333]

>>20217328
i'd rather not use cards even for such a reference. they were made in mockery of the Lord.

[Anonymous No.20217341]

>>20217333
They don't have to be used for gambling, brother.
Have you heard of Uno?

[Anonymous No.20217445]

James: 1:25 & 2:10
Peter 1:20 *Eternal Christ*
For later reference

[Anonymous No.20218153]

>>20217129
We are dead to the world, and born again into the Spirit.

[Anonymous No.20218393]

>>20217266
>Satan being a fallen spirit, where can he fall?
From grace, what else?

[Anonymous No.20218562]

>>20217129
So allow me to insincerely insult you with:
>Man I sure do love chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream...
>HELLFIRE FOR YE SINNER!!
It is not that the things of this world cannot bring physical, emotional, or mental joy, or that they cannot act as a temporary panacea to our worldly bodies, but rather that we should seek the salvation and mercy of Christ and the commandments of God before we seek anything else.
Satan *is* the god of this world, this is a fallen world and will eventually get bad...really really bad.
That should only dishearten you if you are unaware of the promises Christ gave to John and the other Apostles, that this world would be difficult and unfair, but it will not last.

Christ wants you to find Him and serve the will of God first and foremost, because that is the only way to make sure you're saved and ready for the trials that lie ahead.

And even then, that does not mean this world cannot have slivers of God's beauty in it, but you cannot be saved from the inevitable death of this world by ice cream or music or what have you.

It may seem like an ominous foreboding, but in reality it is the Father working to make sure you, his beloved son, finds happiness that will persist even in dark times, and even through death.

[Anonymous No.20218762]

Which is your favorite entry level retard talking point?
>christcuck
>kike on a stick
>jew worshipper
>picture of a prot wearing a rainbow sash
>picture of the pope washing feet
>picture of a mulatto wearing a cross
>le 56% christian face
>Christianity destroyed the West
>Thor has a hammer hurr durr
>Bible verse out of context
>jewish zombie
>sky daddy
>stolen pagan rituals
>soijack e-orthodox zoomer
>2011 era atheist demotivational poster
>flying spaghetti monster
>jesus = communism
>flagrant display of historical uneducation
>strawman your position and then ignore sincere reply
>at least islam gets virgins

I'm a big fan of the out of context verse posting and historical ignorance, cause as soon as you offer any type of explanation they just start foaming at the mouth screaming "cope cuck cuck shill sneed onions carrots kike cuck"

[Anonymous No.20218832]

>>20218762
Calm down, it’ll be aright.

[Anonymous No.20218860]

>>20217129
Read the Ladder of Divine Ascent by St. John Climacus

[Anonymous No.20218877]

>>20218762
>picrel
that's a very long cope

[Anonymous No.20218904]

>>20218762
>>christcuck
checks out
>>kike on a stick
checks out
>>jew worshipper
checks out
>>picture of a prot wearing a rainbow sash
checks out
>>picture of the pope washing feet
checks out
>>picture of a mulatto wearing a cross
never heard of that one
>>le 56% christian face
also never heard of that one
>>Christianity destroyed the West
debatable, probably not
>>Thor has a hammer hurr durr
agree, it's cringe
>>Bible verse out of context
>out of context
mental gymnastics
>>jewish zombie
a what
>>sky daddy
checks out
>>stolen pagan rituals
checks out
>>soijack e-orthodox zoomer
anon...
>>2011 era atheist demotivational poster
agree, cringe
>>flying spaghetti monster
agree, cringe
>>jesus = communism
debatable, probably not
>>flagrant display of historical uneducation
agree
>>strawman your position and then ignore sincere reply
agree
>>at least islam gets virgins
agree, cringe

[Anonymous No.20218916]

>>20218877
>>20218904
>>20218762
Probably the people who can't come up with anything on their own

[Anonymous No.20219766]

Bump for Jesus
Anyone got Good Friday plans?

[Anonymous No.20219854]

>>20219766
The Passion play.
It's my first time going and there are two choices both taking place at the same time: traditional and a high school reenactment. I must say, I don't know how so one is different from the other. Is traditional with a different sort of actor?

[Anonymous No.20219911]

>>20217129
My own reading of the Bible came to similar conclusions: that Christianity is, at its core, an ascetic religion, and that it's nigh impossible to be a good Christian and live what is today a normal life. Not totally impossible, but pretty close.

[Anonymous No.20219917]

>>20218762
I like sky daddy and flying spaghetti monster because it's basically self-defeating: it obviously displays the ignorance of the one who espouses it.

[Anonymous No.20219927]

>>20219766
Just finished planning my weekend out.
Today: Maundy Thursday Eucharist of the Lord's Supper
Tomorrow: Solemn Liturgy
Saturday: The Great Vigil
Sunday: Easter Eucharist
Pretty annoying to do all that driving but Easter only comes once a year so I'll just endure it. That, or skip The Great Vigil so I get a day off.

[Anonymous No.20219947]

>>20219766
Thurs: read all Last Supper accounts, including John 13 through 17. Do communion.
Fri: read all trial/crucifixion accounts.
Sun: read all resurrection/post res accounts plus ascending.

[Anonymous No.20220107]

Any theological books that discuss things like the many layers of heaven (7 or more heavens/etc), throne of God, angelic/related beings dwelling spaces above, Abraham's bosom, and etc?
Or commentaries?

[Anonymous No.20220646]

>>20219911
>>20217129
I almost take that as evidence that we are set on the path God pointed to in Revelation. I can't mathematically prove God exists (I'm not that smart) but I can point at the decaying reality we find ourselves in and draw at least a few parallels to the religious text that calls so much of this out word for word.

It's reassuring in a weird way, I see the 'absence' of God in society and know that He is there.

[Anonymous No.20221061]

>1 John 5:7
Non-trinitarians btfo

[Anonymous No.20221146]

>trinitarians
I can't lie and pretend that isn't tritheism and breaks 1st commandment

[Anonymous No.20221195]

I am greatly disturbed by the fact that marriage has no sanctity in heaven. if marriage has no sanctity then what about the family as a whole? it seems like its all meaningless according to the bible.
This is the only thing ive encountered that truly troubles me and has put a halt to my journey

[Anonymous No.20221197]

>>20220107
Seraphim Rose on the tollhouses maybe?

Also unironically: Dante (the DC is a mystical vision)

[Anonymous No.20221200]

>>20220107

[Anonymous No.20221205]

>>20221197
Also obviously Pseudo-Dionysius on the Celestial Hierarchies..

Although please be careful with this stuff. I recommend reading Versluis on Theosophia, or Wisdom's Children if you're interested in Bohme and his followers in England and Greece, and the follow-up anthology of theosophical texts, Wisdom's Book.

[Anonymous No.20221210]

>>20221195
What if you're a remaried widow(er)?

[Anonymous No.20221230]

>>20221205
>and his followers in England and Greece,
Shit I meant England and Germany.

[Anonymous No.20221234]

>>20221210
pretty sure thats adultery, is it not?

[Anonymous No.20221241]

>>20221195
I struggled with this too, but I don't assume there will be zero value to having been married and having children, parents, friends, etc.
I just assume the limitations of this earthly mind prevent us from clearly thinking about what rapturous joy really means.
Maybe you do spend your free time still with your spouse and family, but if you were fulfilled simply with the joy of being reunited with God and knowing your loved ones were too, it might not actually matter that much.
Just like how a human mind might think it would require some difficulty or occasional challenge to keep boredom away, and if Heaven is flawless entertainment, how could you possibly enjoy it?
Well my assumption is that you won't feel that inherent desire for struggle or if you do, maybe God let's you workout or something.

>>20221234
No, death frees you from the spiritual contract of marriage.

[Anonymous No.20221245]

>>20221195
Heaven is so far beyond human comprehension it's not worth worrying about. How can our animal brains comprehend an existence which transcends time and space?

That aside though, it's more like everyone is unified. Your wife is there, and you are one with her, it's just that everyone is also one with everyone and happy about it.

[Anonymous No.20221319]

>>20220646
"Underrated", as the kids around here sometimes say.
>>20221195
>leaning unto thine own understanding
It'll all make sense when we get there.

[Anonymous No.20222053]

>>20221195
>marriage has no sanctity in heaven
Then why get married in Church and call it holy matrimony?

>Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, made them male and female? And he said: [5] For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh. [6] Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.
Mat 19

[Anonymous No.20222061]

>>20221200
Are you ready?

[Anonymous No.20222147]

I've just looked up flying spaghetti monster and I think it's hilarious. I'm lost as to how people would use this in an argument or get angry at it

[Anonymous No.20222314]

Anyone else get their feet washed today?

[Anonymous No.20222391]

>>20218762
Bible verses out of context are always amusing, because even after you contextualize them they just don’t keep spouting nonsense and don’t even care

[Anonymous No.20222537]

>>20222391
it's just lovely when they try to be reasonable though.
take longer to come up with the next argument with each passing one dismantled. And they never take another perspective and see they were proven wrong, they either just start insulting you or leave without changing.

[Anonymous No.20222564]

>>20222537
quite sad for the latter though.
most of them would be quite close to truth if they studied Scripture instead of just picking bits to warp into strawmen.

[Anonymous No.20222599]

>>20218762
>accuse others of having bad talking points
>my opponents are literally satan and can only debate in bad faith
c o p e

[Anonymous No.20222612]

>>20222599
point is, most do discuss in bad faith.
have you any issues with Christianity, as you claim to not be like them?

[Anonymous No.20222615]

>>20222612
and i'd rather you didn't write an insult into your answer.

[Anonymous No.20222641]

>>20222599
They don’t all debate in bad faith, just a large amount of them do.

[Anonymous No.20222680]

>>20222612
I'm just drive-by shooting at this thread. If you think no one has an argument against your religion that isn't motivated by "satan" you are ill-equipped to debate and should stick to a soft pseudo-scholasticism where everyone just argues against dead or imaginary straw opponents.
>>20222641
Something something camels and needles... casting stones

[Anonymous No.20222688]

>>20222680
i think no arguments against it are correct, or even reasonable.
and that's out of knowing it, not fanaticism.
i didn't say that at any point, and even said that as you say you don't do so, to give us your side.

[Anonymous No.20222712]

>>20222688
the image that was originally posted whines that persons arguing against Christianity are not providing a replacement for it (as if one was required to replace something in order to argue against it) and concludes its opponents are satanic, which is of course your version of insults/name-calling and therefore ok because you are the one doing the dehumanizing

[Anonymous No.20222752]

>>20222615
You see, I'm not calling detractors of Christianity literally Satan, but the ideological viewpoint is that they are doing the will of evil by opposing the Gospel. That is an entirely subjective point reliant on my personal belief as a Christian. I do not make this argument in every generic thread elsewhere, because it's needlessly antagonistic and has no weight on my 'opponent'. I make that point here because of the specificity of the thread being an inherently pro-Christianity general.

The second someone posts anything remotely Christian elsewhere though, you are 100% guaranteed to get at least 3 retards opening with the gayest basic bitch talking point on Earth.
You can have someone in a thread be perfectly normal but the second they see Christ they drop 80 iq points and act as though a fedora was glued to their head at birth.
I'd rather they not post at all, and I have certainly never felt compelled to enter a thread specifically for, say, "Islam General #291" and start posting
"DOGS OF ISLAM DIE"
"TERRORKIKES LMAO"
and so on.

[Anonymous No.20222790]

>>20222752
In general, people do not like to be proselytized to, especially not by someone who has memorized dogmatic assertions with no ability to demonstrate or offer proof for them and whose slender justification for even shilling here at all is "the bible is literature," and it is entirely reasonable to mock such people when they post off-topic outside of their containment threads. You aren't bringing your religion to anyone who hasn't heard of it before on an English-speaking forum populated by Americans and dominated by Australians.

[Anonymous No.20222844]

>>20222790
Your built in assumptions are that I'm proselytizing to people without appropriate warrant or cause, and that your parameters for 'on-topic' discussion are fundamentally accurate.
I did not complain about the message of Christianity being challenged, nor did I complain about me being unable to answer criticisms of Christianity, I complained that in most of the instances where Christianity was being criticized, it was the most mind-numbingly boring strawmanning and ad-hominem available.
This is not necessarily limited to this board either, if someone posts an open ended thread titled "How do I stop hating myself" or "Please bros I need a whitepill, any whitepill", then I am going to give what I believe to be the best medicine for anyone who wants to listen.
It becomes exhausting when the same 10 points are made to strip Christianity down and when each of those 10 have grounded historical conclusions drawn from studies and observations to challenge them instead I find no sincerity in the honest conversation, which is where the image comes into play.
People are not belittling Christianity with any intent to offer alternatives or truly elevate the discourse, they are there only because they are miserable and want everyone to validate their agony by sinking into the same pits.
>Okay well you should expect push back with any ideology
I'm fine with that, I love to debate and argue about politics and spirituality
My issue is that imagine every time someone posted about the failure of modern government a Trump fanatic showed up and spammed
"Dangit Joe Biden is a Demonkkrat and a Racist Trump is going....to win the shadow election in Government....PATRIOTS in control 2 weeks I just want to grill"
and treated that like sincere contribution or real dialogue.

It's exhausting, and I am complaining about it on a containment thread so I don't bother other people who don't care with my frustrations.

[Anonymous No.20222860]

>>20222844
>they are there only because they are miserable and want everyone to validate their agony by sinking into the same pits.
Well this is one of Nietzsche's arguments against Christianity so maybe chew that over for a little bit. And indeed you've said yourself you seek out threads with miserable OP's to contribute Christian replies to

[Anonymous No.20222890]

>>20222860
Alright, again that's fair and I'll debate Nietzsche when he is the subject matter, and while I don't blame you for not knowing the endless amount of garbage I am uniquely experienced with funneling, my greater point is simply this:

OP: Anyone doing anything for Good Friday?
Reply 1: Yeah gonna go to an outdoor service! God bless!
Reply 2: Christcuck larpers are such sheep lmao Rabbi Yeshua isnt going to come down from Heaven you kike worshipping jew slaves and deliver you like the chosen youre just obedient goyim you ruined Europe

which is routinely said even without provocation in threads that are specifically orbiting the subject of Christianity.
These types of replies are numerous, and any sincere follow up is 99% of the time met with further derision and vitriol, and thus made only to enflame and lower discourse because the owners of those comments (as far as I can deduce) are faggot lipped depressed schizos hoping to validate their 'Sky Daddy' issues with pointless rectal foolery.

We don't need to see eye to eye on this, but I wanted to make it clear I wasn't just, as someone said, C O P E posting in oblivious ignorance.

[Anonymous No.20222905]

>>20222890
>These types of replies are numerous, and any sincere follow up is 99% of the time met with further derision and vitriol, and thus made only to enflame and lower discourse
Because this isn't really a place to discuss what religious services you attend, it's a literature board colonized by political polemicists

[Anonymous No.20222906]

>>20222890
Its not cope posting if you're being ruthlessly mocked for your retarded false beliefs and its getting to you.

[Anonymous No.20222918]

The issue is expecting good discussion here in general. I’ve been posting here for years and 99% it’s just the same low-IQ talking points over and over. Sometimes there is someone worth talking with though

[Anonymous No.20222924]

>>20222906
If you say so, I'll pray for you

[Anonymous No.20222941]

>>20222924
It obviously is you fucking retard. You just posted multiple paragraphs highlighting how it is getting to you. If it wasnt you wouldnt have cried about it like a little bitch.

[Anonymous No.20222948]

>>20222890
And I suppose I've simply forgotten the golden rule of this hellscape, which is that everyone is retarded, including me.
Perhaps I'd simply hoped that when the discussion had potential to be better than generic garbage, that in the spirit of good faith people would be able to, on places specifically made for discussion of serious topics, seriously discuss topics.

More's the pity.

>>20222941
You're angrier than I was, which is telling

[Anonymous No.20222954]

>>20222948
Actually religion is off topic discussion that belongs on his. Take your stupid fucking ass over there and discuss your kike religion faggot. Dont even fucking say your crock of shit bible is lit.

[Anonymous No.20222961]

>>20222954
Jesus loves you

[Anonymous No.20222971]

>>20222961
He said he was going to Home Depot for plywood and nails and never came back