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Post good books about freemasonry, esotericism, the occult, etc

>> No.20218792

Mario bros

>> No.20218801

>freemasonry
lamest occultism

>> No.20219220
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Been thinking of getting this book since i hear its an important introduction to the western interpretation of the occult. Any toughts on it? Any good reccomendations?

>> No.20219243

>>20219220
I think there's a chapter on it and Levi in general in Webb's Occult underground if you want to start with a contextual approach. Great book too.

>> No.20219259

>>20219220
There’s been a book club on Levi on ecosophia.net for like a year now, you could skim those posts before you take the plunge.

>> No.20219315

Not OP but I'm considering joining my local Scottish Rite masonic lodge. I'ev met a few masons and my ex-gf was a low degree mason as well. From the extremely surface level research I've done it seems like I can discard most of the stuff about them being a sex cult that sacrifices children as misinformation.

However, I'm still far too uneducated about the modern institution of Freemasonry and what it means to join an iniatic order in general. There's also an active modern Gnostic ( Samael Aun Weor) movement where I live which also peaks my interest.

I know this is pretty vague, but does anyone have book recommendations that will help me decide if joining Freemasonry or any initiatic order in general is a good idea? I don't want occult or material power, I just find esoterism interesting and like the masonic ideal of building yourself to become a better man.

>> No.20219361

>>20219315
>my ex-gf was a low degree mason
I thought females were not allowed?

>> No.20219368

>>20219315
>my ex-gf was a low degree mason
If they let women in, it isn't an authentic rite from what I hear

At best I think you can get into a feeder group for the "real" ones (if they exist), if you're well connected and old-moneyed. The very low level ones that normal people join are probably multiple levels removed from even those feeder orgs, and I bet the feeders themselves are mostly worthless - like any elite cadre, you let the pathetic climbers and shoulder-rubbers think they've "made it" while really only selecting the cream of the crop from among them, and letting the rest feel important by giving them some bitch task occasionally.

I'd read this
https://counter-currents.com/2012/11/freemasons-against-the-modern-world/
probably a good example of one of the feeder groups, not one of the truly elite groups. Although to most people this would look elite.

>I don't want occult or material power, I just find esoterism interesting and like the masonic ideal of building yourself to become a better man.
You may want to stay away from groups altogether then. You are likely to fall in with some kind of Crowley or Gurdjieff bullshit. Honestly if that's what you want I would be more likely to suggest looking into serious Buddhist practice, or something within your own religion. I don't know if groups like the Quakers still have any interesting hold-outs but maybe something "ecumenical" and Christian would work.

I recommend avoiding small Sufi groups. Many of them are extremely intense and heterodox, and frankly, have dark energy.

Read Sedgwick's Against the Modern World so you can see how Schuon's Alawiyya/Maryamiyya tariqa formed, how Guenon kept trying to found/renew Masonic orders after being in various Theosophy splinters (including Encausse's), and read something standard on the Golden Dawn and its splintering and splinter groups (Dion Fortune for example), read Webb's Occult Underground. Just do this to give yourself a general de-mythologizing and take initiation off its pedestal. Initiation is used to lure too many people into totally bullshit groups. Like I said it is probably better to work within an existing tradition. Look up Pannobhasa on Youtube for his interactions with the Burmese sangha, and his disillusionment with the possibility of monastic practice in the West.

Just try to get as non-rosy of a view as you possibly can on all these things, because I highly doubt there's some secret Rosicrucian order just waiting in the wings to scoop people like you up right now, whereas there are a lot of creepy heterodox groups and groups run by psychos and feeder groups for disgusting elite social networking that would be happy to exploit or indoctrinate you for their own ends. Definitely read the link above.

>> No.20219460

>>20219361
Some lodges allow women, there are even women-only lodges. However, not all of them are "accepted" by the main rites, the York Rite and the Scottish Rite being the two most prominent ones from what I know.

>>20219368
I appreciate your post. From what I know the lodge I'm referring to is a legitimate lodge recognized by the Scottish Rite, in that one they don't allow women, my ex GF got initiated in a different rite I believe. But regardless I will do my due diligence to make sure I'm not just joining some para-masonic or offshoot group.

>You may want to stay away from groups altogether then. You are likely to fall in with some kind of Crowley or Gurdjieff bullshit.
I mean, I am trying to keep my interest and pursuit of this "path" as pure as possible. I despise talking in terms of "enlightenment" because that word has been draped with unintelligible schizobable from lunatics and escapist drug addicts, but my main goal is the "pursuit of truth" "liberation" and to build myself to become a greater and virtuous man. I would be lying if I didn't also find the aspects of "magic" as interesting, but my main motivation is not trying to have psychic powers or have influence over other people.

I am genuinely interested in esoteric concepts and practice, but I think I would want to stay away from groups like satanists or luciferians who seem to base their occult practice into gaining more power over the world, also invocation and evocation of daemons kinda scares me ngl.

>Just try to get as non-rosy of a view as you possibly can on all these things
Yes, this is what I want to do. I guess at some point if I'm truly interested I will just have to bite the bullet and see for myself if a group such like this is for me. I just hope I don't ignorantly stumble upon undesired spiritual consequences (whatever the fuck that could be) from dealing with the wrong people.

But I think it's probably better for me to first do some more research on my own on esoterism, occultism, hermeticism, etc to have hopefully a better frame of reference and not end up slurping dogma.

>> No.20219472

Faivre "Access to Western Esotericism". Curiously enough, the book is also absolutely LADEN with Judaic elements, symbols, tropes, authors etc. What a coincidence!

>> No.20219494

You're going to be so disappointed when you join the Freemasons with your newfound knowledge of ritual magicks only to find it's a just glorified drinking club for fat middle-aged businessmen looking to get away from their wives.

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>tfw you realize that the real esoteric magick was the friends you made along the way

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>>20219368
>I recommend avoiding small Sufi groups. Many of them are extremely intense and heterodox, and frankly, have dark energy
What about the 'larger' groups? Any you might recommend?

>> No.20219546

>>20219526
Im not your friend, pal

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>>20219526
i'm your friend, buddy

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>>20219553
I am NOT your buddy, sir

>> No.20219573

>>20218786
The Bible does a good job explaining, and demonstrating with case studies, the evil and failure of such practices.

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>>20219573
>The Bible does a good job explaining, and demonstrating with case studies, the evil and failure of such practices.

>> No.20219630

>>20218786
Maybe Eustace Mullins? His work of the Federal Reserve and such is good, I think he did Babylonian cult stuff too, which ties to Freemasonry.

>> No.20219660

>>20219630
Was that the guy who Pound told to write on the Fed? I heard that book gets kinda kooky if that's the same dude

The best one is Quigley
>Pg. 950: There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the ... Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe), but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.
https://thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/Tragedy_Hope_excerpt.html

And "None Dare Call It Conspiracy." Also look into Jekyll Island.

>> No.20219717

>>20218786
The Torah.

>> No.20219767

with love from /x/

https://mega.nz/folder/jlEwhYyJ#iK4mVC4y5iwk_cr3eIpX4g/folder/jpkCiarY

>> No.20219783

>>20219660
Yes it is him. Mullins is a deep dive into some esoteric shit so just be prepared. I think it is still worth a read. Just use your god given reason to parse out lunacy from fact.

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>>20219220
You faggots really go around practicing "magic"? Lmfao

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>>20219786
>worships baphomet, a literally tranny
>here I will show you how to do some magickkk
>*procedes to chop off dick and balls*
>its gone, ta da

>> No.20219818

>>20219786
What else could you possibly call my persistent invisibility to women despite how much I know about speedrunning?

>> No.20219833

>>20219786
Abra cadabra!

>> No.20219836

>>20219660
>>20219783
At this point you might as well just read LaRouche

>> No.20219847

>>20219836
Redpill me on LaRouchites, from what I understand they reduce all of history to an eternal battle between evil Aristotelian materialist empiricists and noble rationalist Platonists

>> No.20219942

>>20219847
Pretty much, and he believed that the Anglo-American establishment was thoroughly Aristotelian-empiricist and that this worldview would lead them to attempt to control the populations of the world under the guise of environmentalism. He was notorious for his Anglophobic theories, tying together the crown of England with prominent American families like the Bushes. He had a lot of very wacky but intricate and thought-out beliefs and garnered a fairly large following for someone as nearly schizo as him. A number of his followers obtained state legislature seats, he ran as a candidate in several Democratic primaries notoriously spoiling Biden's chances back in the 80s, and he had people in the Reagan administration. I'd put him on the level of Scientologists I guess, a wacky cultish figure from the 1950s that everybody kind of hated but who had just enough of a following to cause trouble.
https://larouchepub.com/lar/2020/4747-doubts_existence_of_biden-lar.html

>> No.20220403

Daniil andreev roza mira. The most obscure stuff in da game

>> No.20220446

Destruction of Freemasonry through Revelation of Its Secrets by Erich Ludendorff https://files.catbox.moe/f8miwp.pdf

>> No.20220603

i found this book in my grandfather's library after he died, haven't read it yet but it looks interesting.

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>>20220603
forgot pic

>> No.20220757

>>20218786
I have a few I'd have to look first

>> No.20221694

>>20219786
It's just applied psychology and aesthetics

>> No.20221813

>>20218786
>freemasonry
Studies in Freemasonry and the Compagnonnage by René Guénon
>esotericism
whatever book title and chapters interests you from René Guénon
>the occult
Theosophy: History of a Pseudo-religion by René Guénon; The Spiritist Fallacy by René Guénon

>> No.20222090

>>20219942
>would lead them to attempt to control the populations of the world under the guise of environmentalism
That isn't exactly incorrect. The Anglo-Jewish establishment is openly using terms like "climate justice" and "environmental justice" now. If you don't believe me google those terms + "Harvard" or "Yale" or "Brookings Institute".

>> No.20222378

>>20219472
This surprises literally no one besides the /pol/nigger that doesn't read.

>> No.20222703

Here anon
http://www.occult-mysteries.org/books.html

>> No.20222746

Any good books like Peter Dale Scott on the deep state, but for thinktanks and front orgs and how they all link together?

Anyone know anything about Tavistock?

>> No.20223690

bmp

>> No.20224113

>>20222090
>you're wrong, they're doing what you just said they were doing
Anyway, LaRouche doesn't view it as an Anglo-Jewish establishment. He placed blame squarely on the Anglos, in contrast to mainland Europeans. He didn't assign any particular importance to the Jews and generally condemned/condoned them on the basis of where they landed within his Anglo-empiricist vs Continental-rationalist dichotomy.

>> No.20224168

>>20218801
It's not even occultism. Lodge meetings are just rotary club meetings for sad nerks to LARP that they matter.

>> No.20225449

>>20219786
You mean to tell us you DON'T practice magic?