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20245417 No.20245417 [Reply] [Original]

Incoming novel-let seethe

>> No.20245427

>>20245417
The best writer is someone who writes nothing at all.

>> No.20245434

>>20245427
whoa, is this some le deep Buddhist wisdom nugget? sure does seem shallow enough to be one

>> No.20245437

i see this quote alot but you guys read way more novels or philosphy than poetry. i read slightly more poetry than novels but idk if its a more demanding form.

>> No.20245439

>>20245434
Seethe more.

>> No.20245444

>>20245439
Not very Buddhist of you.

>> No.20245447

>>20245437
It's definitely more demanding in terms of density. In poetry, you have to polish a beautiful gem. In a novel, you're making a pizza with random smeared shit.

>> No.20245477

>>20245447
>In a novel, you're making a pizza with random smeared shit.
not if you're writing a good novel. what the fuck?

>> No.20245483

>>20245417
How is a short story more demanding than novel? What a fucking hack

>> No.20245485

>>20245477
Brevity is the soul of wit

>> No.20245491

>>20245477
They all have unnecessary extra parts and have tendency to elongate, to be long-winded, to ramble on and on. A novella (which is basically a short story) is far more ideal form.

>> No.20245494

>>20245483
Have you tried writing a novel? You can just write nonsense with no end in sight while in a short story your space is limited so you have to astonish the reader in fewer pages.

>> No.20245526

>>20245494
i drop a novel if they dont astonish me in a few pages

>> No.20245529

>>20245526
Based ADHD kid. Life is too short for boring shit

>> No.20246131
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20246131

>>20245417
>went through this process but in reverse

>> No.20246153

>>20245417
Poets are failed comics artists. Comics artists are failed film directors. Film directors are failed video game designers. Video game designers are failed novelists.

>> No.20246201

>>20246153
Novelists are failed interpretive dancers.

>> No.20246515

>>20246153
Almost everyone, in his own mind, is a failed almost anything except what he actually is.

e.g. When Mark Twain was young he spent time on a river-boat on the Mississippi, and always counted it the happiest time of his life. (That's where he got his pen-name from.) He said many times that all he really wanted was to go back and live like that.

Lots of novelists counted themselves failed poets. But Philip Larkin counted himself a failed novelist. He thought the poet was basically childish compared with the novelist because the novelist deals with the world and the poet only with himself. He said: "If you tell a novelist, 'Life's not like that', he has to do something about it. The poet simply replies, 'No, but I am.'"

Or there's the comment by Dr. Johnson: 'Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier, or not having been at sea.' (On Desert Island Discs, Enoch Powell was asked about his greatest regret. He said "I wish I'd been killed in the war." The interviewer really didn't know what to make of it.) But Wolfe, the night before taking Quebec, recited almost the whole of Gray's Elegy in a Country Churchyard and said "he would prefer being the author of that poem to the glory of beating the French tomorrow."

Robinson Jeffers thought writing poetry was a bit gay, frankly. He thought one should be a pirate:


SECOND-BEST
by Robinson Jeffers

A Celtic spearman forcing the cromlech-builder's brown daughter;
A blond Saxon, a slayer of Britons,
Building his farm outside the village he'd burned; a Norse
Voyager, wielder of oars and a sword,
Thridding the rocks at the fjord sea-end, hungry as a hawk;
A hungry Gaelic chiefling in Ulster,
Whose blood with the Norseman's rotted in the rain on a heather hill:
These by the world's time were very recent
Forefathers of yours. And you are a maker of verses. The pallid
Pursuit of the world's beauty on paper,
Unless a tall angel comes to require it, is a pitiful pastime.
If, burnished new from God's eyes, an angel:
And the ardors of the simple blood showing clearly a little ridiculous
In this changed world: write and be quiet.

>> No.20246614

>>20246153
You have microplastics lodged in your brain.

>> No.20246623

>>20245427
2/10, read some Wilde for inspiration.

>> No.20246753

>>20245485
Conventions are for amateurs

>> No.20246764

>>20245434
There's a difference between writing nothing and writing no thing.

>> No.20246781

>>20246515
10/10 post

>> No.20246795

>>20245417
Who?

>> No.20246804

This may have been the case back in his day where for the last 200 years being a poet was sort of like being a rock or rap star.

Nowadays no one reads poetry and people want to become writers because they saw Brandon Sanderson make 30million on Kickstarter.

>> No.20246807

>>20245491
“ Digressions, incontestably, are the sunshine; — they are the life, the soul of reading; —take them out of this book for instance, —you might as well take the book along with them.” - Laurence Sterne

You aren’t wrong. It’s just a matter of wording.

>> No.20246816

>>20245427
Keke

>> No.20246919

>>20246764
*claps

>> No.20246921

>>20246201
Everyone know that interpretive dancers are failed pornographic actors.

>> No.20247341

>>20245494
Or have less characters do less things.

>> No.20247466

>>20246153
Poets are actually failed Musicians. It's well known.
Musicians > Poets > Novelists.

>> No.20247474

>>20245427
The greats of that category are on /lit/

>> No.20247489

>>20247466
>Poets are actually failed Musicians
Not true btw.

>> No.20247500

>>20247489
It's partially true. True Poetry always tries to reach music. But language has more limited combination of sounds and colours.

>> No.20247509

>>20247500
I would say this is an anachronistic view. Lyrics weren't a standard part of serious music until recently. Some purists would say they still aren't. Most of the time, and I mean 99% of the time, lyrics cannot stand on their own as pure poetry does.

>> No.20247591

>>20245483
Have you ever written a short story and submitted it? Every single word needs to be perfect, everything from beginning to end needs to function. You have zero wiggle room and have to brood over every word and ever sentence and every comma in order to make sure that the limit amount of characters you can work with actually gets the intended meaning across.