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How would /lit/ categorize Marquis de Sade's personal philosophy?

>> No.20257606

>>20257578
Sadistic. Next question.

>> No.20257712

>>20257578
He's writing pornographic satire
Whatever philosophy you find in it is a reflection of yourself

>> No.20257718

A sadist, the word literary comes from the dude.

>> No.20257747

>>20257712
Are you retarded?

>> No.20259676

>>20257578
Yanahigaresque

>> No.20259708

>>20257578
Libertinism, egoism, moral scepticism -- he both earnestly advocates these things but also provides a meta-commentary on them. What I find interesting is the way he allows his characters to make justifications for their actions from all sectors of society. The aristocrats talk about might is right, the revolutionary brigands talk about the same thing, the men about the superiority of the male sex, the women talk about their right to assert power against oppression, the gays talk about the drives imposed by nature being better than those imposed by religion, etc. It's a real kaleidoscopic view of human egoism.

>> No.20259821

>>20257578
>Marquis de Sade's
Who?

>> No.20259823

>>20259821
The man who degraded yo great great great grand mama. She loved it.

>> No.20260004

He’s fixated on a sort of ethic that prescribes a total disconnection from the inner life of other beings. All that’s left is a destructive drive that aims to bring about a universal evil that spares nothing. In an attempt to fully express how this ‘total evil’ can actualize itself, the egotism that served as the origin of this ethic is also not spared, and a kind of absolute torment engulfs the entire transcendental framework that supported it, and the homogenous evil totality that remains resembles the fantasy of universality that drove the French Republicans in their political maneuvers. Sade tries to articulate something he experiences at a more basic level, and struggles to achieve this, because the process of articulating his desire is constrained by the actual desire.

>> No.20260009

>>20259708
pretty good response here. the meta-commentary is important, and the tedious speeches made by the libertines during their exploits are probably the best part of Sade’s writing

>> No.20260110

>>20257578
Basically sacrilegious. He wants to tear down things that are considered good or wholesome.

>> No.20260154

>>20257578
He was a pre-postmodernist

>> No.20260157

>>20260154
he was actually a post premodernist.

>> No.20260264

>>20259708
I've seen people call Sade an individualist anarchist. I've also seen people call Sade a proto-fascist. What do you think?

>> No.20260279

>>20260264
I think both labels are appropriate, as long as you don't take them too seriously. Actually there's often a lot of crossover in the rhetoric between individualist anarchists and fascists, you see that in the Egoist magazines of the late 19th and early 20th century too.

>> No.20260297

>>20257578
>How would /lit/ categorize Marquis de Sade's personal philosophy?
butt stuff

>> No.20260307

>>20257578
lucifareanism
whatever the hell that means idk but it sounds flashy

>> No.20260309

>>20260264
arent they the same thing? absolute freedom would necessitate the freedom to command others to your will.

Also, yes, the quagmire of fascism, Liberalism, Socialism, and anarchism all kinda bubbled from the same primordial soup of the time time.

>> No.20260426

>>20257578
Naturalism

>> No.20260557

>>20260279
>the Egoist magazines of the late 19th and early 20th century too
Do you have any recs?
>>20260309
>arent they the same thing?
In Sade's case yes. However because "fascism" is such a loose definition, many things can mean and not mean fascism in other scenarios

>> No.20260622

>>20257578

Correct.