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20314655 No.20314655 [Reply] [Original]

>He did it out of his own free will
This is lazy storytelling

>> No.20314853

>steal the Myth of Adammu, change a few names and call it a day
>hailed as the greatest work of all time

What a lucky prick

>> No.20314887

>>20314655
Christians invented the concept of free will because without it the inevitable conclusion is that God is a sadistic psychopath.

>> No.20314892

Free will is non-canonical cope. All OT stories should be read literally.

>> No.20314896

>>20314892
Or non-free will maybe it's better to say. Whatever!

>> No.20314905

>>20314887
>attaching contingent and sentimental considerations to something universal
You do realise God isn't the bearded guy in the sky meme, right?
God is perfect and there's literally nothing you can do about it, chud.

>> No.20314914

>>20314905
>God is perfect
kek

>> No.20314926

>>20314914
That laugh you utter is perfect too because it is contained within or caused by Him. You are perfect, Anon. All your little insecurities, that mole on your arm; God did a great job - literally perfect.

>> No.20314943

>>20314926
Tell it to the screaming cancer riddled children.

>> No.20314982

>>20314655
I dont get it? Adam and eve chose to eat the apple

>> No.20314991

>>20314982
see >>20314887

>> No.20314994

Anthropomorphic jealous God with beard and violent mood swings is infinitely more compelling than God as "oneness" ...like bro this pencil is God. Boring!

>> No.20314998

>>20314655

Well... you can count is an conaiderable effort to explain the mistery too. I gave you the permission to not to take Genesis too literally.

>> No.20314999

>>20314943
Man is responsible for that

>> No.20315007

>>20314999
There's a flaw in your logic there champ

>> No.20315041

>>20314655
This is anthropomorphizing God, but whatever. I actually don't see a problem with the picture. It is creation happening.
>>20314943
Karma

>> No.20315050

>>20314887
>atheists resort to denying free will so they can critique the morals of God

>> No.20315122

>>20314998
>christcucks interpret the bible literally
>philosophy/science advances to a point where it can critique the bible
>'No actually, it was all metaphorical'

>> No.20315134

>>20315050
Can you even define free will?

>> No.20315140

>>20314943
You're looking at this from a relative and contingent point of view. A universal point of view sees all. The cancer may prevent further sufferings that would be more grave or allow salvation of the soul that was destined to perish. Disharmonies harmonise as you change your point of view from contingency to universality. The universal and God are one and perfect.

>> No.20315156

>>20315140
>allow salvation of the soul that was destined to perish
Aborted 'babies' (since christcucks never accept they are fetuses) go to heaven anyway, lol.

>> No.20315185

>>20315140
An omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent god could and would prevent all suffering outright.

>> No.20315202

>>20315185
You are attaching a negative connotation to suffering from a relative point of view. An equally relative point of view could give a positive connotation to suffering (e.g. character building). Both of these are irrelevant. Suffering merely is and is perfect.

>> No.20315203

>>20314655
Reading Milton again and boy oh boy does he hate women.

>> No.20315208

>>20315140
And the universal point of view is that omnipotence and monibenevolence would completely cancel out all suffering

>> No.20315210

>>20315208
See >>20315202

>> No.20315236
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>> No.20315243

>>20315236
you’ll burn in hell, tranny

>> No.20315246

>>20315236
The first premise is wrong. From a universal perspective, neither evil nor good exist. Only when one takes on a relative perspective that such sentimentalities that give rise to "good" and "evil" can appear. The secret is: the Demiurge is our own ego that refuses to accept the universal perspective and instead substitute it for our own relative one. In this way, the Demiurge creates "evil". But remember it never REALLY exists only virtually.

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20315272

>>20315246

>> No.20315275

>>20315272
>no argument
Better luck next time.

>> No.20315279

>>20315202
>Suffering merely is and is perfect
stockholm syndrome

>> No.20315282

>>20315279
>stockholm syndrome
It's a value-less analysis. I'm not attributing any positive meaning to suffering.

>> No.20315285

>>20315275
>he thinks this >>20315246 pseudo-intellectual incontinence is an argument

>> No.20315293

>>20315285
>still no argument
You should be able to point out where my logic is faulty.
Try again.

>> No.20315327

>>20315282
Yet you are attributing a negative meaning to atheism. Curious...

>> No.20315328

>>20315293
>You should be able to point out where my logic is faulty.
The discussion was about the Christian conception of God, this
>From a universal perspective, neither evil nor good exist.
has nothing to do with what Christians believe, it's just your schizo strawman.

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20315329

I love it when pseuds who "dunk" on Christians come in with such confidence using their child-like meme images and get absolutely BTFOed with only a slightly nuanced Gnostic position.

>> No.20315334

>>20315329
Obvious samefag is obvious

>> No.20315335

>>20315327
When did I? Oh wait, I didn't.

>>20315328
It's literally written in Genesis. Just because the cucked catholics, prots and orthocucks have promulgated wrong interpretations doesn't mean that this view is invalid.

>> No.20315338

>>20315334
Yeah, it was me. I was laughing at how pathetic your attempts are.

>> No.20315347

>>20315335
>It's literally written in Genesis. Just because the cucked catholics, prots and orthocucks have promulgated wrong interpretations doesn't mean that this view is invalid.
Lmfao this faggot thinks he knows more about Christianity than every major branch of the Church.

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20315352

>>20315347
Yes.

>> No.20315353

>>20315335
When you are arguing in imageboards, you are attributing a postive meaning to your philosophy and necessarily a negative meaning to contradictory philosophies, such as atheism. If it were otherwise, you would not post at all.

>> No.20315358

>>20314926
Do you have a source for that post? An Academic Journal, perhaps.

>> No.20315360

>>20315246
>The first premise is wrong. From a universal perspective, neither evil nor good exist.

And this tells me you're a hopelessly sheltered little boy. You should test this by intentionally infecting yourself with a horrendously painful disease, and then ask yourself if there's still no difference between good and evil.

Of course you won't, because types like you never put your money where your mouths are

>> No.20315386

>>20315360
What about relative perspectives do you not understand? Someone who has a sheltered upbringing may have a positive association with suffering and someone who hasn't may have a negative one. These are both contingent and irrelevant to the universal.

>> No.20315391

>>20315353
You don't understand what value-free means.

>> No.20315393

>>20315386
Again, nobody cares about your claims about suffering. Implement it in your own life or don't expect anyone to take your takes on suffering very seriously

>> No.20315396

>>20315391
Is that a positive analysis, a negative analysis or an analysis that did not need to be made at all?

>> No.20315397

>>20315393
I never said you had to believe in the universal. You can choose not to. I simply showed up because people were attributing relative things to the universal.

>> No.20315402

>>20315396
That's not what value-free means. Value-free means objective or free from subjective/relative standards.

>> No.20315409

>>20315397
>I never said you had to believe in the universal.

Nor did you need to, the fact that you don't expose yourself to the consequences of your own ideas tells me more than enough about their validity

>> No.20315410

>>2031540
Is that your opinion, your analysis or your perspective?

>> No.20315412

>>20315134
Free will is self-evident, it is a fool's game to deny it.
I think, therefore I am. I choose, therefore I am free.

>> No.20315414

>>20315397
Did you have to post?

>> No.20315421

>>20315412
Are your choices random, or do make them for one reason or another.

>> No.20315428

>>20315409
I am perfectly within my metaphysics by not caring. As I said, I didn't come to proselytise but rather correct misconceptions. You can choose to accept them or not; that is partly up to how well I've presented them and also your personal disposition. Belief in the universal is not for all.

>>20315414
Yes, to see if my metaphysics can withstand criticism. It has.

>> No.20315444

>>20315421
Random when I choose them to be, rational when I choose to consider.
Internal choices affect external actions, of which there are a multitude of different choices to make during.
>I am going to buy some food
Is an internal choice I make when I think it is a good time to gather supplies, both in that I am not interrupting my work and also that I actually need them.
Then the external choices of what exactly to buy come more into play once I am at the store. I may be confronted by something I had overlooked, or not known about being on sale, etc... when that happens I make another choice as a part of the greater choice to buy food. Some of those will be random, based on whims and temporary fancies/cravings. Others will be rational, contemplating if I could make good use of an item/ingredient and coming to a decision.
Others I decide even more arbitrarily, if I cannot come to a decision I leave it to chance in some way (a coin, a die, waiting for something to happen that is out of my control, etc...) and then firmly stuck with whatever the result of that is. Ultimately, it is a choice I made to leave it up to chance.

>> No.20315451

>>20315428
It 'withstood criticisim' because all metaphysics is unfalsifiable, and anyone can argue whatever they want about metaphysics.

>> No.20315477

>>20315444
>When I choose
Do you choose randomly, or according to one reason or another.

>> No.20315488

>>20315444
>Sometimes, I make choices according to reason
>Sometimes, I make choices based on whim, i.e instinctually
>sometimes, I leave it up to chance
Where's the part where you make choices free willingly?

>> No.20315817

>>20314655
OP here. Can anyone name narrative device/trope lazier than free will? It is basically the author admitting he can't write a cohesive narrative.

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20315843

>>20315444
>Random when I choose them to be

>> No.20315859

>>20314655
Eve has a SUPREME dumptruck

>> No.20315907

>>20315477
Depends.
>>20315488
The part where I make the choices.
>>20315843
Yes, if I choose to flip a coin for a decision then it is random by choice.

Now if you're all against free will, explain to me what there is instead, and make clear how it differs from free will.
And please have it be something more than just a cope as to why you do nothing but shitpost all day, since that too is a choice you're making.

>> No.20316155

>>20315907
>depends
lol, you just admitted your actions depends on, i.e are determined by pre-existing causes.

>> No.20316188

>>20315358
Peer-reviewed, even.

>> No.20316202

>>20316155
Only some of them, and yet I still choose which actions to take in those situations.

>> No.20316275

>>20315236
Evil is nothing but privation of Good. To say Evil "exists," is wrong.

>> No.20316371

>>20315140
Why does god care about a man fucking another man in the ass from a cosmic pov then?

>> No.20316376

>>20316155
Determinism and free will are not mutually exclusive.

>> No.20316406

>>20315428
>I am perfectly within my metaphysics by not caring.

In that case, I don't care about your worldview, nor should anyone. Worldviews that the proponent doesn't apply to his or her own life are by definition hollow and meaningless, and no one is obligated to care about them

>> No.20316414

>>20315412
You don’t choose. Prove that you choose, and aren’t just following a predefined script.

>> No.20316430

>>20316376
They are.

>> No.20316438

>>20316202
When you say 'my choices depend on', you forgo free will.

>> No.20316441

> ITT: meat automatons can’t into causality

>> No.20316456

Imagine thinking god is anything other than the ultimate human cope

>> No.20316472

>>20316456
I have it on good authority that god is a 10/10 hot fit brown sporty tan tomboy.

>> No.20316492

>>20314905
>God is perfect
TOPKEK

>> No.20316513

>>20316492
A perfect ass, maybe.

>> No.20316933

I choose to not give you a (You) for such weak bait, now prove to me there is a defined script. Burden is on you, if you're honestly making that claim. Then again, you're probably just a disingenuous shitposter.
>>20316438
>Taking conditions into account is an absence of free will
No, I'm merely exercising my will according to how I deem fit for the given circumstance.
Rationality and the will go hand-in-hand.

>> No.20316948

>>20315202
God doesnt need suffering. He's omnipotent. The idea that suffering might be a tool to him is self-contradictory to his omnipotence. Its like in xavier renegade angel when xavier makes an ice cream vendor and five dollars instead of just making ice cream.

>> No.20316957

>>20315246
>From a universal perspective, neither evil nor good exist.
Then god is not good.

>> No.20316983

>>20315412
Causality is not self-evident. What is self-evident is that 1. You had a desire, 2. You remember a sequence of events in which that desire was fulfilled.

For instance, consider sleep paralysis. You desire to move and shake and wake yourself off, but you can't. This is because usually your body happens to follow your desires, but it isn't then.

Moreover, how do you defend against the fact that the choices you make are determined by your desires? For if the choice you make isn't what you like most, by the normal definition of choice, many would not consider that a choice.

>> No.20317037

>>20316933
> I won’t @ you
Cad.
> Prove there’s a defined script
Fuck it, fine
> Either A, we make choices, or B, we don’t make choices.
> If B, we would only observe a single outcome.
> We only observe a single outcome.
> Therefore B, QED.
Chew on that, fag.

>> No.20317644

>>20314905
>Nooo you don't understand. God is a personified abstract concept. We have to pray to it.
>Oh and btw. It says that you musnt touch yourself and yeah uhm... also gimme some of your money
Ok

>> No.20317648

>>20314926
If everything is perfect then nothing is.

>> No.20317690 [DELETED] 

>>20314655
The Islamic take on this : you're here because you chose to. Because you believed you would believe in this life, even though you knew it would be difficult and therefore EVEN your place on Earth is by your own will.

>> No.20317752

>>20317648
Elaborate. Smells like semantic bull.

>> No.20317795

>>20316933
>according to
Not free will. Sorry, not sorry.

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>>20317752
Reality isn't absolute thus perfection is a relative measure. If everything is perfect then there's no relative distinction between things but perfection relies on relatives. The thing that comes closest to perfection without being that is the omission of judgment entirely.
Of course a god fag would disagree with my first statement but you have no argument for it. Everything in life seems to reject absolutism.

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20317880

>Free Will vs Determinism
See pic, same response.
Even if we don't have free will, our perception is that we make choices and whether we really do or not has no meaningful impact on our lives outside of if you use it as an excuse to be a shitter.

>> No.20317928

> If everything is perfect then there's no relative distinction between things
Why not? If a person living in a perfect world compares their fortunate situation to a theoretical imperfect world, does it make everything in their world imperfect? Or are you arguing for the instantiation of imaginary concepts?

>> No.20317931

>>20317928
>>20317843
Bollocks, that was meant for (you)

>>20317880
You don’t make choices, you make predictions.

>> No.20317953

>yeah dude God is a perfect being
Then why did he create women?

Go on, I'll wait

>> No.20318087

>>20317931
>You don’t make choices, you make predictions.
Meaningless semantic mastrubation, what difference does it make?
Doesn't have any impact on my life one way or the other.

>> No.20318144

>>20316275
Wrong. Good and Evil are like positive and negative, not 1 and 0. A universe consisting only of empty void is the privation of Good and effectively 0. A universe consisting only of infinite torture of infinite innocent beings is maximal Evil, and effectively negative infinity.

>> No.20318171

>>20318144
>infinite torture of infinite innocent
On what basis is this evil? By what metric are you able to determine this?

>> No.20318177

>>20318087
>Doesn't have any impact on my life one way or the other.
Well you’re right about that..

>> No.20318188

>>20318171
It occurred to me in a dream.

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>>20318188
Leave, Emerson.

>> No.20318197

>>20318193
No.

>> No.20318229

>>20318197
Go!

>> No.20318278

Does anyone else laugh at the "bro just rip out your own eyes" guy?
He's in every one of these threads shits hilarious and it's been going on for years
I can't wait to meet him

>> No.20318445

>>20314655
>hmmmm, there are many different courses of actions, better ones infact, but my character chooses to do this, not just because I said so but uuuuuuhhh free will yeah that's sounds about right he freely wills it.

>> No.20318635

>>20315041
Isn't god from abrahamic religions already anthropormophized ?

>> No.20318890

>>20314655
Gnostic faggotry needs to go back to /x/ or that shit hole called /his/

>> No.20319812

>>20317037
Kek, freewillfag absolutely btfo

>> No.20319834

>>20318177
Yes, and thus my perception of free will overrules all theories behind free or non-free.

>> No.20319843

>>20316933
>Rationality and the will go hand-in-hand.
There is no free will without reason, there is no reason without free will, etc. Most retards seem to conflate "freedom" with simply making choices randomly, as if just randomly picking two options at the flip of a coin would make you free. This really seems to be the crux of the issue generally speaking. No one who wants to refute free will can actually comprehend what it is they're trying to refute. It seems to boil down to arguing that if something does not occur completely at random, then it is not free. I'd argue the exact opposite, if your actions occur completely at random, then you are not free. The appearance of determinacy is the greatest proof that we are in actual fact free and as such self-determined. Determinacy being the natural result of freedom, both being connected to each other necessarily.

>> No.20319851

>>20319843
I'm sure that sounded profound in your head, anon.

>> No.20319858
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20319858

>God is perfect and there's literally nothing you can do about it, chud.

>> No.20319859

>>20317037
That is possibly the weakest argument for determinism I've ever seen.
>hurrdurr we can't see parellel universes of outcomes so le heckin' determinism is true
Doesn't prove anything about free will/choices. There's no correlation between the ability to choose and the number of outcomes we see, you're coming up with a flawed, illogical premise from the start and trying to make it seem clever.
If you intend to be a sophist, then I commend you. If you meant that wholeheartedly, I feel pity for you.

>> No.20319860

>>20319851
If it's not profound then explain what you think free will is, and why it is not just chance.

>> No.20319861

>>20319859
>>hurrdurr we can't see parellel universes of outcomes so le heckin' determinism is true
We actually can though because we possess the faculty of imagination, so that anon is not even correct in theory. If anything his argument skews towards option A being correct due to this same faculty.

>> No.20320522

>>20319834
Nope. Your perception is your perception, but it ends there. It doesn’t have to be mirrored in other people’s perceptions, let alone reality itself.

Put simply: Shut it Harold, the big boys are talking.

>>20319859
>There's no correlation between the ability to choose and the number of outcomes we see
Yes there is. If the only option is X (if option Y, Z, etc.) don’t exist... then X will be the only option taken. Try explaining how that’s wrong without devolving into irrationality.

>>20319861
Imagination has infinite potential though, which makes our “observation of choices” actually observations of completely separate realities. It’s utterly worthless for observing concrete choices in regard to our own existence.

>> No.20320669

>>20315203
Can you post some kino passages that makes this evident?

>> No.20320710

>>20319860
free will is an ill-defined, abrahamic superstition.

>> No.20320808

>>20320669
Literally anything with Eve. If you want pure, unadulterated, rabid misogyny, just read Samson Agonista—an entire play dedicated to one mans hatred of women. It's pretty good, too.

>> No.20320824

>>20314926
I guess that's why he decided to kill all humans in the flood until noah convinced him otherwise

>> No.20320850

>>20316414
You chose to reply like I did (:

>> No.20320864

>>20320850
No we didn’t, 0/10.

>> No.20320873

>>20320864
You chose to deny. It's funny, by simply playing the game you keep digging your grave.

>> No.20320879

>>20320873
Riddle me this: what’s the difference between doing something and choosing to do something?

>> No.20320894

>>20320879
Is this the best you can come up with?

>> No.20320910

>>20320894
It’s cutting to the heart of your retardation, so, yes. Cope and seethe, etc.

>> No.20320971

>>20320522
Retarded sophist, how does it feel knowing some greek buttfuckers btfo'd you all thousands of years ago already?

>> No.20320977

>>20320971
> The idiot stalls, for he knows all his answers paint him as a moron.

>> No.20321648

>>20314914
>>20316492
>>God firebombs gays
>there's a lot to unpack here, sweaty

>> No.20321707

>>20314655
>create humans with no knowledge of good and evil
>tell them not to do something
>act surprised when they disobey you because they didn't know it was wrong
I thought this God guy was supposed to be smart?

>> No.20323070

>>20314655
How so?

>> No.20323487

>>20323070
It's the author admitting there's no real reason for the character to do a certain action within the narrative. It's basically a deus ex machina.

>> No.20324064

>>20321707
They're using smart in a prescriptive sense rather than a descriptive one. While we only call people smart after we observe signs of intelligence abrahamists start with the prior assumption that god is infact the smartest being in the universe, and then proceed to 'understand' the 'infinite wisdom' behind mauling 37 children with bears, yelling at a fig tree and so on.

>> No.20324076

>>20314655
Sometimes I wonder if lit is just being edgy because they don't got the full story, or if they truly don't like the idea of being created.
You would think out of everything many of you have read, you don't understand simple concepts.
Maybe it would be best to suggest becoming game engine NPC AI programmers, maybe then it will click for some of you.

>> No.20324107

>>20324076
>defending 2000 year old semitic creation myths

>> No.20324114

>>20324076
No sweetie, we just understand that the version from tge Bible is based on earlier versions of the same story, and therefore is probably just that, a story

>> No.20324685

>>20324076
NPC AI programmer here: if your god is real, the last thing you should be doing is worshiping it.

>> No.20325322

>>20321648
>creator of all things
>creates gays
yes, there is a lot to unpack here.

>> No.20325420

>>20314655

Human beings are giant greasy chimpanzees. If God is real, he's the biggest, ugliest, greasiest chimp in the cosmic chimpanzee troupe of all extant and possible conscious life. The biggest nigger. Fuck niggers

>> No.20325542

>>20325322
>he wouldn't create gays just to firebomb them
also,
>unironically saying there is a lot to unpack here
ishygddt

>> No.20325573

>>20321707
Isn't knowledge of good and evil just knowledge of what YHWH likes and dislikes? Rather than knowledge of some objective morality?

>> No.20325582

>>20325322
God doesn't have "knowledge of sin or sinful things" because that would make him imperfect. I'm not joking, some denomination unironically believes this.

>> No.20325674

>>20325573
Morality cannot exist without an arbiter. Arguing it exists in a non-subjective manner is oxymoronic - moral absolutists are, in fact, arguing in circles (it’s good because it’s good because it’s-). It’s nonsense.

>> No.20325696

>>20325322
"gays" aren't created, humans are
"gays" are humans that choose to partake in sodomy
you have a structural misunderstanding of how things work

>> No.20325719

>>20325696
>people 'choose' to be gay
>god creates humans in such a way that they would 'choose' to be gay
Wow, there's a lot to unpack here...

>> No.20325878

>>20325719
there are drawbacks to free will, I agree, but our actions wouldn't have meaning without it

>> No.20326027

>>20325878
> god is flawed, but aaa gotta cope by pretending this is just the demo level rather than the full game

>> No.20326036

>>20314887
God is selection. So yes, he is in fact a sadistic sociopath.

>> No.20326100

>>20326027
>humans are flawed
>I am an insecure human
> I must blame god for my flaws
who's the one coping?

>> No.20326119

>>20326100
>god
Who? I'm sorry, I cannot imagine anything that fits the notion of God you espouse.

>> No.20326127

>>20314655
>Lucifer the light bringer, the promethean archetype, villified
Thanks, Jews

>> No.20326148

>>20326119
a concession then, have a nice day and hope you figure out how to express yourself better

>> No.20326271

everyone in this thread is fucking annoying can we just talk about harry potter or something

>> No.20326320

>>20326119
I will continue to type god in lower case letters for your displeasure.

>> No.20326396

>>20326100
I think you”re confusing insecurity with boiling rage.

>> No.20326399

>>20325420
and they hated him for he spoke the truth

>> No.20326499

>>20314655
Why do people always act like god is Barry mean and evil? In the early OT god is very caring and even lets his subjects talk back at him and he listens to them. Like Abraham begging him to save sodom if there’s even a couple good men or Cain begging for his guaranteed safety

>> No.20326553
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20326553

how come atheists hate the nice Christian God so much but they never say a word about gods like this?

>> No.20326595

>>20326553
because they're uneducated and just like to rebel against what they know
it's never actually been about morals since they don't have any moral framework to go off of

>> No.20326737

>>20326553
Because those kind of gods don't lie to me. They're cruel, but at least they have no problem with admitting to that. That's a kind of brutal honesty I can appreciate

>> No.20327196

>>20326595
Ironically, a lot of rebelling is probably *because* they go off the christian moral framework, which is as internally consistent as an under baked cake.

>> No.20327207

>>20326499
Or when he told Abraham to sacrifice his child to prove his faith

>> No.20327212

>>20327196
What's the inconsistency in Christian morality?

>> No.20327218

>>20326553
Yahweh isn't nice, as you readily admit. But anyways, they did. There used to be huge amounts of atheist """"""literature""""""""" dedicated to stuff like this. It died when Jews invented Social Justice because the gimmick of hyper-rational dweebs detailing why the Vedas is absurd in excruciating detail can't be used for Anti-White purposes.

>>20327196
You know that Progressivism is derived from Christianity, I know it, he knows it, but he can't admit it because then that makes the LARP pointless.

>> No.20327226

>>20326499
>why do people talk like the demon that lives in a volcano who demands mass child sacrifice by his chosen tribe of bloodthirsty sodomite sadists is evil?
probably because they are at least passingly familiar with the ot lol

>> No.20327236

>>20327218
Progressivism is against Christianity, so you're just coping

>> No.20327243

>>20327212
> tortures his creations
> still somehow all-good
Babbi morality.

>> No.20327260

>>20327243
Oh I thought you'd have an argument but you're a retard

>> No.20327269

>>20327260
> n-not an argument! *sweats*
Nevertheless; the tardle copes.

>> No.20327279

>>20327269
You just wrote a retarded meme arrow text on the problem of evil, which has nothing to do with the moral system that Christians adopt

>> No.20327351

>>20327279
Ah, so in your world christians believe it’s cool to harm people for your own entertainment? Got it, interesting. Go home to your parallel universe, it sounds less hypocritical.

>> No.20327441

>>20327351
What the fuck are you talking about you low IQ monkey? Do you think God is subordinated to human morality? Do you think humans expect God to abide by their moral law?

>> No.20327487

>>20327441
No - I expect him to abide by his.

>> No.20327523

>>20327487
He made morals for us not for himself you dumb retard

>> No.20327571
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20327571

Does anyone here like Bionicle?

>> No.20327617
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20327617

I love God and God loveS you and me

>> No.20327652

>>20327523
> it’s okay for god to be a massive hypocritical faggot, please don’t hurt me daddy
Underbaked. Cake.

>>20327571
The great spirit’s redemption arc or Bara Magna was ten times better than the Mary Sue bullshit i Jesus pulled.

>> No.20327655

>>20327617
Unironically this. She really does love us all.

>> No.20327957

>>20314887
Aristotle yaæled about the concept or at least mentioned the fact that determinism renders responsability meaningless

>> No.20328057

>>20327957
For infinite causes, yes. But a prime mover has /all/ the responsibility (hence the christfag cope of “free will”, shunting the responsibility onto arbitrary points in the causal chain).

>> No.20328259

>>20326737
If there is no God why is a lie worse than a truth and why is a truth better than a lie

>> No.20328850

>>20328259
Because truths and lies still have consequences, whether a god, multiple gods or yoir god does or doesn't exist

>> No.20328855

>>20314887
Atheists invented the concept of determinism because without it the inevitable conclusion is that God is benevolent and loving.

>> No.20328898

>>20328855
>being willing and able to stop all human suffering, but instead of doing that blaming its victims and torturing them forever when they don't worship you enough is benevolent and good

>> No.20328918

>>20326553
They don't claim to be omnibenevolent.

>> No.20328935

>>20328898
Good and all that follows from it doesn't exist in a universe populated by automatons. Be thankful that God is giving us the opportunity

>> No.20328939

>>20328935
We don't need some obscure war deity from Israel to have free will.

>> No.20328952

>>20328935
Can you tell the difference between a so-called automaton and a person with free will?

>> No.20328984

>>20315360
how is a disease 'evil'? a disease has no autonomy, it is not sentient, it has no spirit. how can you say something that simply exists is evil?evil, i think, denotes an idea of moral or ethical choice - a personal failing in contrast to what is 'good'. disease is anonymously inflicted, without reason or purpose. it's simply something that exists.

>> No.20329039

>>20328952
Free agents must hide their calculations of the future state of the system they exist in in order to avoid deviations from said calculations

>> No.20329043

>>20329039
People don't plan ahead?

>> No.20329056

>>20329043
The point is that free agents *don't* merely plan ahead. To clarify:
>Free agents must conceal their calculations of the future state of the system they exist in—from other agents within the system—in order to avoid deviations from said calculations

>> No.20329072

>>20329056
Planning against others and not telling them about it is free will?

>> No.20329093

>>20329072
No. Free will is a state of agents within a system in which said agents
>must conceal their calculations of the future state of the system they exist in—from other agents within the system—in order to avoid deviations from said calculations
A determined system is one in which agents within it can openly inform the system of their calculations and still avoid deviations

>> No.20329102

>>20329093
Why does telling people with free will what they will do in the future mean that they will deviate?

>> No.20329111

>>20329102
It doesn't mean that they will (this would just be another determinism), but rather that the possibility is there

>> No.20329116

>>20329111
How do you know that, when an individual happens to deviate from a plan, that it means said individual has free will and not that the plan itself is faulty and couldn't calculate the actions of an automaton?

>> No.20329145

>>20329116
I think this word "plan" is interfering with your understanding—it's not a word I ever used

>> No.20329151

>>20329145
How do you know that, when an individual happens to deviate from "calculations", that it means said individual has free will and not that the "calculations" themselves were faulty and couldn't calculate the actions of an automaton?

>> No.20329185

>>20329151
Because such a system can be compared to one in which such a thing is an impossibility; one in which agents within it can openly inform the system of their calculations and still avoid deviations

>> No.20329299

>>20329185
I asked you "How do you know that, when an individual happens to deviate from "calculations", that it means said individual has free will and not that the "calculations" themselves were faulty and couldn't calculate the actions of an automaton"

>> No.20329310

>>20329299
Cant free will be born from bugs?
Probabilistic universe can produce it

>> No.20329527

>>20329310
No, but not because bugs are too stupid or whatever, but because the ability to magically supercede cause and effect doesn't exist.

>> No.20330500

>>20328984
Infect yourself with one. A very painful one preferably. Then you'll realize how meaningless your word games are

>> No.20331653

>>20330500
that won't make diseases evil lol

>> No.20331954

>>20314655
OP here, confirming that there is indeed no narrative device lazier tham free will.

>> No.20331960

>>20320873
>>20320879
Kek, this faggot bailed.

>> No.20332513

>>20316933
>I choose to not believe in god, now prove to me he existst. Burden is on you, if you're honestly making that claim. Then again, you're probably just a disingenuous shitposter.

>> No.20332539

>>20332513
Didn't ask and has nothing to do with my post, thanks for conceding that you have no argument.