/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20352064]

Good books showing how Guenon was wrong and Buddhism is actually more consistent than Advaita, which is just a plagiarism of Buddhism made to prevent the bleeding of Hindu converts into Buddhism? Advaita is really weak metaphysics when you examine it, it can't hold up to Buddhist or Visishadvaita critiques.

[Anonymous No.20352090]

>>20352064

[Anonymous No.20352121]

>>20352064
Buddhism is onions

[Anonymous No.20352135]

I've seen people ay the Dalai Lama was friends with Serrano and I've seen the picture of them together. Were they really friends and did the Dalai Lama know about Serrano's views?

[Anonymous No.20352138]

>books that show (my opinion) is correct
fucking jannies need to get to work

[Anonymous No.20352211]

>>20352138
We would lose 99% of threads though

[Anonymous No.20352269]

>>20352064
>Good books showing how Guenon was wrong and Buddhism is actually more consistent than Advaita... it can't hold up to Buddhist or Visishadvaita critiques.
Ultimately, there are no books for this. Such a book doesn't exist, and that's because Shankara comprehensively refuted Buddhism and they never issued any reply to his arguments, and then the few later times Indian or Tibetan Buddhist authors mentioned Advaita in history they (while omitting any reference to Shankara's actual arguments) got basic facts about it all wrong such that their arguments were made useless and inapplicable. And Advaitins issued replies to the arguments of Vishishtadvaitains refuting them. This is why there is no published book that presents a comprehensive critique or refutation of Advaita from the Buddhist perspective, they are unable to come up with one! The critiques of Vishishtadvaitins are largely untranslated and they have been replied to and refuted by Advaitins anyway.

The two books you should actually check out are "The Advaita Tradition in Indian Philosophy" by Sharma and "The Seven Great Untenables" by Grimes. The latter book details the arguments of Ramanuja against Advaita and how Advaitins refuted his arguments, and the former book involves explaining and comparing Madhyamaka, Yogachara, Advaita Vedanta and Kashmir Shaivism and there are passages in the book explaining why Advaita is the most correct and consistent out of all of these systems.

[Anonymous No.20352292]

>>20352269
Advaita has been debunked.

[Anonymous No.20352358]

>>20352064
The Pali Canon

[Anonymous No.20352364]

>>20352292
>Advaita has been debunked.
Except it hasn't, the author of that book, Robert Bolton, has no idea what he is talking about and his arguments are laughable. Feel free to demonstrate it for us by posting his actual arguments (which you never have on /lit/ despite shilling the book for a long time, because you know they are trash)

[Anonymous No.20352388]

>>20352358
>The Pali Canon

In early Buddhist literature there is no reference to Brahman (neuter) as absolute, but only to Brahmā (masculine) the creator God. The principle of absolute consciousness is however mentioned in a debate between the Buddha and Brahmā (Majjhima Nikaya I.329 - Sutta, No. 49) The Buddha does not defeat this view by polemics but by supernatural powers.
- H. Nakamura, " Upaniṣadic Tradition and the Early School of Vedānta as Noticed in Buddhist Scripture, "Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies, 18 June 1955, pp.78-79

https://pdfslide.net/documents/upanisadic-tradition-and-the-early-school-of-vedanta-as-noticed-in-buddhist-scripture-nakamura-hajime.html

wow, supernatural powers instead of arguments, very impressive

[Anonymous No.20352584]

>>20352135
>and did the Dalai Lama know about Serrano's views?

lol you think he didn't know about them? How naive can you be?

[Anonymous No.20352587]

>>20352364
>They haven't been debunked because...they like just haven't, okay?

[Anonymous No.20352608]

>>20352388
>wow, supernatural powers instead of arguments, very impressive
This is rich coming from someone who believes (1) the vedas are divinely authored, (2) reality is actually jeetgod just thinking about himself constantly, and (3) all phenomena are due to said jeetgod's magical power of casting illusions simply by being alive. But no it is Buddha having a debate with Brahmā in which the god's ultimate superpowers are shown to be illusory which is totally silly

[Anonymous No.20352673]

>>20352064
The Doctine of Awakening by Julius Evola unironically
the book was awarded by the pali society as one of the most correct interpretation of buddhism btw

[Anonymous No.20352869]

>>20352673
Does /lit/ just read the same three or four /pol/ chart authors or what?

[Anonymous No.20353006]

[Anonymous No.20353045]

>>20353006
Let's make it happen.

[Anonymous No.20353183]

>>20352064
Holy… the chink Pope is based?? PBUH

[Anonymous No.20353288]

>>20353183
Really makes you wonder why Guenon hated Buddhism and told Europeans they should leave Europe to marry non-white women.

[Anonymous No.20353308]

>>20352869
Why wouldn't /lit/ read good books from good authors?
>/pol/
Ah, you disagree with him politically.

[Anonymous No.20353318]

>>20352064
I wish I could call this based but Buddhism is pussy shit.

[Anonymous No.20353319]

>>20352587
>Advaita has been deboonked because... because it just has, okay???
Your move, fag

[Anonymous No.20353320]

>>20352673
>The Doctine of Awakening by Julius Evola unironically
That book doesn't attack Advaita, the opposite is true. The word Advaita isn't used once in it, 'Vedanta' is used 8 times and all in a more or less positive sense, where Evola says they have similar insights about certain things as Buddhism and Sankhya, like in pic related

[Anonymous No.20353324]

>>20352869
>implying pol reads anything
>implying you've read Evola
>implying you aren't more pol than Evola fags could ever be
Sad but true.

[Anonymous No.20353325]

>>20352673
>the book was awarded by the pali society as one of the most correct interpretation of buddhism btw
So... European Buddhist scholars are jerking off another European Buddhist "scholar"? Wow. That sure tells us something. I'm sure they all know exactly what they're talking about, immured in the tradition as they are

[Anonymous No.20353335]

>>20352064

>To those who studied the great teachings of Sankara, the philosophies of Kanada and Kapila seemed childish; the Saiva doctrines looked unholy; the Sakta teachings appeared perverse; the Vaishnava creeds sounded self-contradictory; and the Buddhistic philosophies looked contemptible. The teachings of all these schools appeared as mere fairy tales, and not serious philosophic thought. As Sankara continued his merciless refutation of all hostile creeds and philosophies, the teachings of the Tathagata became lifeless, the school of Kumarila became silent, the Naiyayika philosophy became weak and paralysed, and Kapila's system also followed suit.

[Anonymous No.20353343]

These advaita buddhist discussions are so fucking retarded read something else you faggots

[Anonymous No.20353347]

>>20353343
These books are huge, like your nose

[Anonymous No.20353353]

>>20353324
>>implying pol reads anything
They've been pushing this chart out a lot recently.

[Anonymous No.20353357]

>In all the eastern and southern regions the tÏrthikas (non-Buddhists) prospered and the Buddhists were going down . . . there lived two brothers who were the acaryas of the tÏrthikas. One of them was called Dattatrai (Dattetreya). He was specially in favour of samadhi. The second was Śaṅkarācārya, who propitiated Mahadeva. He chanted spells on a jar placed behind a curtain. From within the jar emerged Mahadeva up to his neck and taught him the art of debate. In Bhamgala he entered into debates. The elders among the bhikshus said, ‘It is difficult to defeat him. So acarya Dharmapala or CandragomÏ or CandrakÏrti should be invited to contest in debate.’ The younger panditas did not listen to this and said, ‘The prestige of the local panditas will go down if a debater is brought from somewhere else. We are more skilled than they are.’ Inflated with vanity, they entered into debate with Śaṅkarācārya. In this the Buddhists were defeated and, as a result, everything belonging to the twenty-five centres of the Doctrine was lost to the tÏrthikas and the centres were deserted. About five hundred upasakas (buddhist monks) had to enter the path of the tÏrthikas.
- Taranatha (1575–1634), “dpal dus kyi 'khor lo'i chos bskor gyi byung khungs nyer mkho” (History of Buddhism in India)

[Anonymous No.20353367]

>>20353353
>STOP HERE IF YOU CARE ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH
Woah, some insanely deep, obscure, never-heard-about stuff is sure to follow.
>Marcus Aurelius’ meditations
Come on /pol/

[Anonymous No.20353370]

>>20353353
It's just one part of their game of pretend. Or do you think it's all one big cosmic coincidence not 1 in 100,000 pol posts suggests any knowledge about any of these books?

[Anonymous No.20353422]

>>20353370
>Or do you think it's all one big cosmic coincidence not 1 in 100,000 pol posts suggests any knowledge about any of these books
Do you think they should quote the Social Contract everytime they shit on twitter calling for free maternal care?

[Anonymous No.20353466]

>>20353422
I think they shouldn't act like they understand Adam Smith and get everything wrong when they do.

Those aren't books or authors on that list. They are brand names for ideology.

[Anonymous No.20353502]

>>20353006
I wish Langan would have more debates but his ego is probably too inflated for that.

[Anonymous No.20353534]

>>20352064
This
>>20352358
'anatta' is not a noun and not used as one outside of barely 3 instances.

>>20352388
>I can't parse metaphysical shorthand of the ancients in the 'supernatural' terms of the time

[Anonymous No.20353535]

>>20353308
And you agree with him I take it? I've read the book; it's his usual dichotomy-driven reading of everything into old good solar telluric thing vs new bad lunar chthonic thing, but this time from the nikayas instead of say, the history of medieval Europe. If you want to understand Buddhism on its own terms, you could simply read the texts, (which are now more completely translated into modern Western languages than they were then). If you want to make it sound compatible with his project, you read his book on it.

[Anonymous No.20353564]

>>20353335
I don’t see how vedānta refutes Kashmir Shaivism

[Anonymous No.20353587]

>>20353564

[Anonymous No.20353590]

>>20353564
It's some dumb hagiographic commentary. You could just as well say today that through the persuasive power of outsourcing the brahmins were subdued by western corporate governance and abandoned the doctrines of Shankara and whoever else for those of the Harvard Business Review.

[Anonymous No.20353643]

>>20352388
Based. Imagine being able to win arguments by pulling off miracles.

[Anonymous No.20353714]

>Guenonfag on duty again, waiting to eventually be asked to prove that Brahman exists, for him to say that Advaita doesn't have to prove it's existence as long as the doctrine is "internally consistent" (it isn't) and therefore BTFO himself for the millilonth time
Pitiful existence

[Anonymous No.20353753]

>>20353714
>(it isn't)
nice argument

[Anonymous No.20353793]

>>20353753
Like clockwork. Prove the brahman exists or stop shitting up threads.

[Anonymous No.20353804]

>>20353793
>Prove the brahman exists
Why? That has nothing to do with whether or not Advaita has been refuted (it hasn't)

Seething about whether Advaita has proven Brahman or not is the last resort of the retard who lacks any effective argument yet continues to seethe about Advaita despite he himself accepting a philosophy which doesn't prove its tenets, making him not only stupid but also a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.20353841]

>>20353804
>it hasn't
Nice argument. Anyway, we are all tired of your faggotry and sophisms that span entire threads only for you to resort back to bare religiosity at the end of the day. Prove your teners before "debating" or gtfo.

[Anonymous No.20353941]

>>20353804
>>20353841
are you guys not ever going to get tired of this? i as a lurker am getting tired of the constant bickering between you two.

[Anonymous No.20354470]

>>20352064
Absolutely Cringe, After Studying and I am continuing to Study The Subjects, I have come to find it almost impossible to participate in this sort of thread, it's ridiculous once you actually do successfully assimilate knowledge breaking through the profane phenomenal space of debate and haphazard critique, you find yourself in a position totally beyond these exoteric typically sacerdotal religious squabbles, this to me all things considered is a merely prefatory stage, one of blindness and ignorance, a man engaged directly in the Promethean struggle to obtain immortality, to purify his titanism luciferically to reinvigorate within himself that primordial monadic state, does not care.

[Anonymous No.20354479]

>>20353793
You cannot “prove Brahman”. You clearly don’t understand what he is because that doesn’t even make sense.

[Anonymous No.20354484]

>>20353793
"prove"
O 1 +
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH
You are a Soullet.

[Anonymous No.20354497]

>>20352064
The Dalai Lama is based asf
Single-handedly making buddhists cool

[Anonymous No.20354564]

>>20354484
And this is why "the atman is brahman and everything else is maya" is total nonsense, because it would be one thing if there were merely one metaphysical concept being thrown around without any possible basis for discussion, but here we have three! Rabbit's horns, sky lotus, city of gandharvas—nothing to discuss

[Anonymous No.20354954]

>>20354564
You have no clue what you’re talking about

[Anonymous No.20355008]

nationalism is a 18-19th century concept that these third world countries like Tibet, China, etc. havent moved forward from.
There is no "Germany".

[Anonymous No.20355048]

20355008
Weak bait

[Anonymous No.20356014]

Living Yogacara by Tagawa Shun'ei

the problem of life and death is an epistemological one

[Dago No.20356306]

>>20353006
I’m a Guenonfren if Guenonfag but until he can bench press 315 lbs, Chris Langan will wipe the floor with him

[Anonymous No.20356956]

>>20353343
yeah these threads have ruined the comfyiness of bvddhist threads
it's more mental masturbation and less practice
intellectualization is not the same as spiritual growth