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Do Eastern Religions have apologetics?
Actually making arguments why their system is correct and defending it from criticism like Christians have in the west?

>> No.20356007

The Pali canon has a bunch of passages of Siddhartha refuting opposing views

>> No.20357192

>>20356003
Zen teachers insist they have no belief system to defend, and that you should simply try zazen to see whether it works. They're not big on revelation, history, etc. Is that a kind of apologetics?

>> No.20357234

>>20357192
it's lazy apologetics

>> No.20357238

>>20356003
the truth of a true belief system is self evident

>> No.20357252
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20357252

what is idle speech and why is it bad?

>> No.20357455

>>20356003
No because every other religion quickly realized that if you apply logic to their beliefs, it falls apart. Most religions counter this by artificially elevating the status of their leaders to make them the unquestionable authority, or by restricting access to their holy texts.

>> No.20357462

Yes. The Pali Canon is full of it. Most Mahayan Buddhist Sutras amount to this. The beginnings of the Daoist Canon are also full of this. There's also a huge amount of this stuff in Confucianism (due to attacks from Legalists).

>>20357252
Gossip. It's part of stuff involving mental phenomena. tl;dr gossip causes suffering, don't do that.

>> No.20357476

>>20357252
Idle speech is basically small talk. The Buddha was always telling the monks to quit talking about politics and village gossip because it was a waste of time and interfered with their meditation.
If you're not a monk then some small talk is necessary, just don't get obsessed with it. Too much small talk will turn you into a Twitter user, one of the worst rebirths imaginable.

>> No.20357489

>>20356003
Christian apologetics basically died with Hellenic paganism c. 550 AD. There was also a period where nearly every school of Greek philosophy got a Christian version that tried to make it compatible with Yahweh and Jesus and the "Holy Spirit" but these were largely eliminated in favor of a couple of schools of thought (some of these actually have come back in spirit via forms of Protestantism). Thereafter the only opponents they argued against for the next thousand years were other state sanctioned Christians, with whom they agreed 95% anyway. In Asia there was more competition, and a thousand years instead of debates between Hindus/Jains/Buddhists in India or Taoists/Confucianists/Buddhists in China/Korea/Japan. Reduced to fart sniffing and confidence checking, Christian missionaries by the close of the 19th century were having trouble even debating Buddhists from Sri Lanka.

>> No.20357513

>>20357462
>>20357476
isn't that all that happens on this site? i feel that reddit does a better job of rewarding posts made with effort over here where it would just be buried and forgotten.

>> No.20357562

>>20357513
>buried and forgotten
That is sort of the point, there are no absolutes here, a single post in a locked thread does not become a defacto truth just because the person who wrote it read the thread and distilled down everything people agreed on. 4chan is closer to conversation.

>> No.20357596

>>20357562
sure but it can never go beyond idle chatter since there's no system in place to uplift it. it's just a sea of opinions with no distinction beyond what is substantial and what is nonsense.
what good could come from it beyond idle chatter?

>> No.20357633

>>20357596
>what good could come from it beyond idle chatter?
Learning to filter and find what is of worth instead of just looking at the vote count. Even this short thread has had some quality posts. Ideas can develop and grow here in ways which they can not on reddit, it is far from perfect but also far from being just idle chatter. Engage with the effort posters, effort post, and throw in a little shit posting for the lols, you get what you put in.

Most importantly you can fail without consequence beyond learning from that failure, this is my biggest issue with reddit.

>> No.20357655

>>20357192
Mightn't it just be that there's something there that's utterly beyond words?

>> No.20357663

>>20357462
Is Confucianism really a religion?