Bible thread VIII

[Anonymous No.20365904]

My new suggestion for a regular bible general - soli deo gloria

Bible threads are a non-denominational general on /lit/ dedicated to the study and discussion of the Bible specifically and Christianity more broadly. While some level of inter-denominational bullying is expected, we do try to keep things generally focused on sharing the teachings of Christ, rather then attacking each other. Questions from people new to Christianity and/or Bible study are very much encouraged, no matter how basic. Fedora-Trolls are common in these threads and the best way to deal with them is to just report and ignore, rather then responding to them.

Read the Bible online: https://www.biblegateway.com/
Read (non-Gnostic) apocrypha online: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/apocrypha.html
Read Gnostic apocrypha online: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlcodex.html

Bible translations commonly discussed in these threads:
KJV - King James Version - The Classic Bible from 1611, still in common use today.
NKJV - New King James Version - A well received conservative update to the KJV from 1982.
ESV - English Standard Version - Very popular translation and basis for one of the best Study Bibles.
NASB1995 - the most literal bible still in publication. don't get the 2020 update
NABRE - New American Bible Revised Edition - Popular (progressive) Catholic Bible.
NIV - New International Version - One of the most popular translations but also considered progressive.

last thread >>20344384

remember to always present a reason for your faith WITH GENTLENESS

[Anonymous No.20365916]

please dont write any posts with bad language

[Anonymous No.20365920]

>>20365916
Then go to >>>/his/

[Anonymous No.20365953]

>>20365904
Are Plantinga's books worth reading? Also what theology books would you consider to be must-reads?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/592322.Warranted_Christian_Belief

[Anonymous No.20365974]

>>20365953
I'm going to say right now, reading theology is worthless if you havent at least read the NT and developed your own foundational views of what the bible teaches through that + google. that way you'll be able to laser focus on whatever you consider to be deeper issues worth warranting diving into literature over. there is so much material online through free articles and lectures, that its very difficult to recommend essential works over freer and shorter material that does an equally good job and covering most of the subject.

[Anonymous No.20366021]

>>20365904
>NASB1995 - the most literal bible still in publication. don't get the 2020 update
Nah, the original NASB1977 is more literal and better. The 1995 sacrificed some literalness to make reading slightly smoother.

[Anonymous No.20366073]

>>20366021
>still in publication
the ASV from 1901 was even more accurate than the 1977

[Anonymous No.20366105]

>>20366073
The 1977 is still in publication.
https://www.lockman.org/nasb-1977
https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntt=nasb+1977

[Anonymous No.20366169]

[Anonymous No.20366170]

>>20366105
damn well thats good

[Anonymous No.20366191]

>>20365953
Plantiga is alright. Personally I find analytic philosophy offensive in it's bland pseudo-mathematical approaches to existential questions. The biggest flaw of Plantinga is that he rejects the classical theist tradition in Divine Simplicity and accepts Theistic Personalism instead, which is clearly wrong and far more vulnerable to all the classical atheistic objections against theism.

Basically in that book you've posted he argues there are two objections to God. De facto objections say that God simply doesn't exist. De jure objections say that it is irrational to believe in God whether or not He exists because of a lack of verifying evidence. Plantinga argues that we can ignore the De Facto objections and focus on the De Jure question which is "Is it rational to believe in God".

It's a far weaker case he's making than proving God does indeed exist, only arguing that it's rational to believe that God exists.

As for theology my recommendations would be the following:

Orthodox Christianity:
Dogmatic Theology by Vladimir Lossky
Byzantine Theology by John Meyendorff

Catholic Christianity:
Truth is a Synthesis by Mauro Gagliardi
Handbook of Catholic Dogmatics by Matthias Scheeben
Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott
Sources of Catholic Dogma by Denzinger

Reformed Christianity:
Reformed Dogmatics by Herman Bavinck
Systematic Theology by Charles Hodge
New Testament Theology by Thomas Schreiner

[Anonymous No.20366243]

Anything other than the K J B from Church Bible Publishers is fake and gay. Even the cross references in it are better than the ones from the NASB, ESV, NKJV, NIV, or NRSV, that I personally have direct experience with. If you disagree then you disagree with the truth and must either remain in darkness or begin the coping process.

Allow me to make one little demonstration. What does your personal "bible" (assuming non CBP K J B) cross reference from Matthew 2:2? If it is not Isaiah 60:3 then you have a fake and gay counterfeit copy of the Holy Scriptures and have now been revealed to walk in pathetic shame.

[Anonymous No.20366298]

>>20366243
>Church Bible Publishers
>not Local Church Bible Publishers
Have fun burning in hell.

[Anonymous No.20366336]

>>20366298
CPB is the bindery owner after falling out with LCBP. LCBP does not have any internal means of self production. The video that LCBP had (or still has for all I know) on YouTube showing the bindery was the facilities of what since became CPB, who asked them to remove it as it no longer reflects reality. Even further, since then CPB was sold and moved to a Baptist church in Texas so is no longer even near to LCBP. Please try to keep up, henceforth.

[Anonymous No.20366352]

>>20366336
Have fun burning in hell.

[Anonymous No.20366380]

>>20366169
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[Anonymous No.20366390]

>>20366243
>Matthew 2:2
>ch. 27:11, 37; Jer. 23:5; 30:9; Zech. 9:9 m [Num. 24:17; Rev. 22:16] n See ch. 8:2
>we saw his star when it rose. The wise men would likely have been familiar with OT prophecy through interaction with Jews in Babylon, and they may have remembered Balaam’s prophecy that “A star shall come out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel” (Num. 24:17).
This was understood by Jews to point to a messianic deliverer (e.g., Dead Sea Scrolls, Damascus Document 7.18–21; Testimonia 9–13). The movement of the star (Matt. 2:9) suggests that it is not a natural phenomenon (e.g., a comet, supernova, or conjunction of planets) but was supernatural, perhaps a guiding angel that appeared as a star, or perhaps some specially created heavenly phenomenon that had the brightness of a star. have come to worship him.
The wise men likely traveled with a large number of attendants and guards for the long journey, which would have taken several weeks. For example, if they had come from Babylon by the main trade route of about 800 miles (1,288 km), averaging 20 miles (32 km) per day, the trip would have taken about 40 days.

[Anonymous No.20366417]

>>20366390
Excellent information.
>if they had come from Babylon
This is exactly my assumption, figuring them to be descendants of those whom Daniel taught.

[Anonymous No.20366476]

>>20366417
That was all ESVSB.

[Anonymous No.20366503]

>>20366476
Yes, I have one. Despite all it has, it lacks the reference to Is 60:3, which is the single most relevant verse to specifically the star, and only appears in the K J B cross references. I do not know what all non CBP editions it appears in, but they get their text from the Bible Protector Pure Cambridge Edition.

[Anonymous No.20366520]

>>20366503
Well, I shouldn't say they "get their text" from there, I do not know the origin of their text with the center bar references, but they have ensured that theirs conforms to the PCE. Bible Hub *does* get their K J B text from Bible Protector.

[Anonymous No.20366826]

I didn't know there were jokes and shit talking in the bible

[Anonymous No.20367032]

>>20366380
>terrible reviews
Yeah, I think Ehrman won.

[Anonymous No.20367122]

>>20367032
>atheist troons review bomb christian literature because daddy Dawkins told them to
>looks like Ehrman won bros

[Anonymous No.20367128]

>>20367122
What are you, good sir? Are you a Catholic?

[Anonymous No.20367134]

Because I know no one ITT has actually read Macculloch's book...

[Anonymous No.20367136]

>>20367128
I'm Vedic Catholic, The Indo-Aryan race are Gods chosen.

[Anonymous No.20367137]

>>20367128
anybody that avatar fags that fate character is a catholic for some reason

[Anonymous No.20367141]

>>20365904
Does anyone have the Knox bible? I'm looking into buying it

[Anonymous No.20367144]

>>20366169
>>20366380

[Anonymous No.20367153]

>>20367141
I have it. What do you want to know about it?

[Anonymous No.20367186]

>>20367136

[Anonymous No.20367208]

>>20367186
Sounds like a troll account

[Anonymous No.20367245]

>>20367186
I hope that this is just an FBI or CIA agent.

[Anonymous No.20367408]

>>20365953
>Also what theology books would you consider to be must-reads?
J. Gresham Machen and Geerhardus Vos are both excellent.

[Anonymous No.20367415]

>>20367032
>redditor 15 year olds seethe that someone questions their historical-critical bullshit they themselves don't even understand
yawn

[Anonymous No.20367428]

>>20365953
Francis Schaeffers Trilogy

[Anonymous No.20367455]

>>20365904
Whats wrong with the 2020 NASB bible?

[Anonymous No.20367481]

What's schizophrenia from the point of view of Christianity ?

[Anonymous No.20367488]

>>20367481
Believing in superstition like magic

[Anonymous No.20367498]

>>20367488
I'm not schizophrenic then, even though I was diagnosed.

[Anonymous No.20367530]

>>20367481

Almost every single mental illness from the point of view of Orthodox Christianity is demonic influence. Some are a result of material factors, like brain damage, but if you were to say "The mental illness is caused by demons" you would be right more often than not.

Intrusive thoughts, for example, are very obviously caused by demons - otherwise, people wouldn't identify them as intrusive. It's hard to tell the difference between thoughts that are your own, and thoughts that are from demons, either when you've been living a demonic life because you become conformed to a demonic ideation, or when you fall for the modern superstition that the only things that exist are chemicals, and all you are are is a loose collection of the.

>>20367488

If you don't believe that magic is real, you're an atheist. Magic is real, and to be avoided, precisely because it's empowered by fallen spirits.

[Anonymous No.20367537]

>>20367141
It's the Catholic version of the Message.

[Anonymous No.20367546]

>>20367530
>magic is real
based
>"The mental illness is caused by demons"
cringe

[Anonymous No.20367759]

[Anonymous No.20367773]

>>20367530
>If you don't believe that magic is real, you're an atheist
I believe that God is real and that magic is, at best, trickery.

[Anonymous No.20367825]

>>20367773
Pharaohs sorcerers turned their staves into snakes just like Moses did. It wasn't a trick.

>And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

[Anonymous No.20367840]

>>20367773

Some magic is trickery - most is. Some magic, especially the kind recorded in scriptures, church history, and church fathers, is legitimate demonic power. At high levels of freemasonry, they openly tell you that at advanced levels of occult initiation you receive powers from demons - and the same thing is done in Tantric Buddhism, but they call them "wrathful buddhas" instead.

Much of the demonic magic is in fact trickery and trickery oriented, but it's trickery facilitated by demonic power.

[Anonymous No.20367877]

>>20367840
What about divine magic facilitated by God, like miracle healings?

[Anonymous No.20367889]

>>20367877

Category error - occult magic by definition is intervention by demons and their spiritual power. Purely human magic by definition is human intervention by sleight of hand, misdirection, and psychological trickery.

Miracles are intervention by God. Even if the effects can be superficially similar, their cause is different.

[Anonymous No.20367902]

>>20367889
>Miracles are intervention by God.
So...divine magic

[Anonymous No.20367908]

>>20367902

>So, divine [Demonic intervention]

What?

>So, divine [Human manipulation]

What?

[Anonymous No.20367909]

Call me lacking in faith, but I can’t bring myself to buy this kind of thing not being orchestrated by priests

https://youtu.be/-kBConPpAis

[Anonymous No.20367920]

>>20367908
Not all magic is "occult magic"

>occult magic by definition is intervention by demons and their spiritual power.
Ok

>Purely human magic by definition is human intervention by sleight of hand, misdirection, and psychological trickery.
ok

Now you're missing the third category which is Divine Magic which is distinct from those two categories you've talked about. Divine Magic is performed by uniting the human will with the divine will. The atonement was an act of divine magic performed by uniting the human will of Jesus with the divine will of Jesus.

[Anonymous No.20367923]

>>20367909

My Godfather has personally seen myrrh-streaming icons being transported from Church to Church. The back seats of the cars get completely drenched in myrrh, in a completely inexplicable amount. Like, it is physically impossible to have that much oil inside of an icon, and have it gushing for that long, all the time.

Will there be some false miracles/icons staged by atheist priests? Sure.

But the one my Godfather saw wasn't.

[Anonymous No.20367935]

>>20367920

I get it. You're Tombergposting. Tomberg's categories come from trying to syncretise Hermeticism and Roman Catholicism, not from the tradition of the faith of the 1st millenium.

Read the Church Fathers. Since you're reading Meditations on the Tarot, then you're up for reading heavily symbolic Fathers like St Maximus the Confessor.

All of the Church Fathers are explicitly against "purely humanly willed" operative magic like what Tomberg advocates, because in the Church's understanding, those acts are never purely humanly willed, but are always assisted mechanically by demons.

[Anonymous No.20367985]

>>20367935
>Read the Church Fathers. Since you're reading Meditations on the Tarot, then you're up for reading heavily symbolic Fathers like St Maximus the Confessor.
I've read them. Maximus is probably my favorite of the early Christian theologians.

>All of the Church Fathers are explicitly against "purely humanly willed" operative magic
I literally just said that divine magic is uniting the human will with the divine will, where did you pull "purely human willed" from that?

>Now Peter and John went up together to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour. And a certain man lame from his mother’s womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to [a]ask alms from those who entered the temple; who, seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, asked for alms. And fixing his eyes on him, with John, Peter said, “Look at us.” So he gave them his attention, expecting to receive something from them. Then Peter said, “Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.” And he took him by the right hand and lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
Do you understand this? I ask you, would the man still have been healed if Peter said nothing and ignored him? The miracle is achieved because Peter willed to heal the man and God willed to heal the man THROUGH Peter.

You're reverting to Calvinism by denying the place of the will of man within the divine scheme. Human will not only exists, the exercise of it is necessary to enact Gods will.

[Anonymous No.20368002]

>>20367122
What kind of edgy teenager atheists would read Fucking Bart Ehrman

[Anonymous No.20368006]

>>20367985

>I literally just said that divine magic is uniting the human will with the divine will, where did you pull "purely human willed" from that?

I didn't. I was talking about Tomberg's work where he advocates purely humanly willed magic, and gives the meaning for occult symbols for operative humanly willed magic, like the pentagram.

This is why I said " "purely humanly willed" operative magic like what Tomberg advocates".

> The miracle is achieved because Peter willed to heal the man and God willed to heal the man THROUGH Peter.

That's all well and good.

>You're reverting to Calvinism by denying the place of the will of man within the divine scheme.

I've never done any such thing. Don't put words into my mouth.

>Human will not only exists, the exercise of it is necessary to enact Gods will.

That's not quite right - the human will co-operating with the divine will is the intented mode of operation of the human will. God isn't reliant on us to do His will - we are reliant on God to do His will through us. He respects our free will to reject His will for us.

[Anonymous No.20368024]

>>20368006
>This is why I said " "purely humanly willed" operative magic like what Tomberg advocates".
He does not do this.

[Anonymous No.20368049]

>>20368024

I've skimmed it again to verify - My mistake, it has been a long time since I've read Meditations.

My point still remains that syncretising Hermeticism with Roman Catholicism is not Christianity. He gestures in a more correct direction than Roman Catholicism itself, but still far off aways precisely because of this syncretism, and commitment to Roman Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.20368092]

>>20367481
Ever watch idiocricy?

[Anonymous No.20368110]

>>20365904
You should've added a topic of discussion as it's usually the tradition with these threads. Helps keeping it on-topic and have something to return to when the discussion departs too much.

I'd also mention the Vulgate among the Bibles listed. There are quite a few anons who can read basic Latin, and arguments about NT can resort to bringing up the Vulgate.

Other than that, it'd be nice to also have a list of books/church fathers. I think all denominations agree with Augustine for example

[Anonymous No.20368218]

>>20367141
I used to have the Baronius Knox, but I sold it and got the original instead.

[Anonymous No.20368820]

I'm too often rude to people on here. I know it's bad, but I just find it catarthic to call someone a retard instead of engaging with their unintelligent arguments. It's bad, but I keep doing it. What do I do?

[Anonymous No.20368850]

I always feel like I’m letting God down. I feel like my faith is weaker than it should, and no amount of love I give can match his love for us. Has anyone written on this?

[Anonymous No.20368869]

>>20368850
But if you believe in the enormous love he has for us, doesn't it mean you have quite a strong faith?

[Anonymous No.20368878]

>>20368820
>their unintelligent arguments
(You) could have your own private parade with that pride. Werk it gurl (but ywnbaw).
>>20368850
Just have faith that you have faith even when you don't think you have faith.

[Anonymous No.20368879]

>>20368869
I feel like I cannot live up to His love. If I were truly faithful, I would be able to follow Him better. Maybe my faith is stronger than I think since I know He exists, but we are given so much, and I feel like I am incapable of giving anywhere near enough in return.

[Anonymous No.20368987]

>>20368879
Anon, of course you aren't capable of giving anything to God which would equal what you have been given. No one is. Rather than aiming to do so, aim to do the best with what you have been given, to produce many talents from the number granted to you. The Kingdom of God is a pearl of great price, and the price of such a pearl is not a number of coins and bills, but simply all you can give.
You can't reach God by piling your good works on top of themselves into a tower; you can, however, bend towards God infinitely, asymptotically, growing closer and closer for eternity. Who can say what manner of closeness with God awaits the faithful after this life has passed?

[Anonymous No.20369016]

What is everyone's thoughts on section headings?

[Anonymous No.20369020]

>>20368987
Thank you, anon. Gives me something to think about.

[Anonymous No.20369024]

>>20369016
Just recently I have been thinking that I don’t like them, as it splits up artificially what was meant to be read as something continuous. It can isolate sections from a wider context.

[Anonymous No.20369030]

>>20369016
Good for location and relative location assistance.

[Anonymous No.20369059]

>>20368878
What, to be humble it means that you must reject reality and pretend unintelligent arguments are intelligent?

[Anonymous No.20369068]

>>20369016
Should either just be in the top margins of pages next to the book title and chapter/verse number like they used to always be in old Bibles or offset in the margins like some newer Bibles do. I've grown to dislike them in the text columns themselves for the reasons >>20369024 explained. Arguably, a similar argument can be made against chapter divisions, too, and justify a sort of "reader's" Bible that removes the chapters and verses. It would be useless for actually citing anything, but worthwhile to see the Bible books as they were written and initially read.

[Anonymous No.20369071]

>>20369059
>this unintelligent exegesis
I hope (You) do much better than that with Bible passages.

[Anonymous No.20369080]

>>20369024
You must buy some weird "bibles". This is not an issue with the Church Bible Publishers K J B Pure Cambridge Edition compliant Holy Bible.

[Anonymous No.20369095]

>>20369071
Mkay

[Anonymous No.20369287]

>>20369095
>too proud and unintelligent to understand how true the statement is
>just can't see it
>thinks its unintelligent
>deflect with sarcasm

[Anonymous No.20369301]

>one calls self Baptist
>doesn't believe in baptism
Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.20369345]

>>20369301
I never noticed this (low intelligence) until I watched Steven Anderson loosely "address" this problem.

[Anonymous No.20369442]

>>20368110
I replaced it this thread with that blurb on gentleness. I wanted to see if it would affected the quality of conversation

[Anonymous No.20369445]

>>20368850
literally augustine confessions

[Anonymous No.20369485]

feel forsaken by God. Every day, I pray that God will have mercy on me. Though I remind myself of Romans 3:23 daily.
I remember my sins, and I struggle to believe that Christ could ever forgive me. Even though I know that we are saved by our faith alone.

[Anonymous No.20369488]

>>20369485
what could you have done so bad? Paul murdered the elect

[Anonymous No.20369489]

>>20365904
Hey bros, I’m currently reading this Christian book from the 1960s that my late grandpa passed on to me and it’s really thought provoking, almost gnostic at times saying the kingdom of heaven is within and the holy spirit is in all of us and stuff. It claims all disease is caused by unhealthy thinking and that through the power of Jesus all disease can be healed. I look around at people today and they are constantly worried and anxious about things that don’t even matter, like who gives a fuck about war in other countries or what celebrities are doing or who is president? People always have their minds elsewhere, either in the past, in the future, cursing others in faraway lands, cursing their past and worrying about what hasn’t even happened yet. I believe cities with their nonstop media over saturation and advertising and radio and television have removed the spirit of man from his body completely, making them essentially walking dead. Just as a corpse in the ground decays because the spirit is absent, so does the walking corpse in his every day life slowly rot away.

If people would believe in themselves, God, and actually bother to be present in the moment and in their bodies, a lot of this sickness would go away. It’s not the cities themselves per se, but the negative attitudes that a city fosters in its inhabitants 24/7. Birds live in our cities and they are happier and healthier than we are because they don’t stew in negativity all day long.

[Anonymous No.20369519]

>>20369488
I was sexually immoral and, I was hateful and abusive to people that especially needed kindness and generosity. And I am unable to fix what I have done.

[Anonymous No.20369529]

>>20369519
Why can't you help the people that needed kindness and generosity? Do they no longer need kindness?

[Anonymous No.20369541]

>>20369529
I don't know them anymore, as it was so long ago. I can only help those that are around me, and I've been trying to do so.

[Anonymous No.20369576]

>>20369489
Sounds like Christian Science.

[Anonymous No.20369591]

>>20369576
It’s called “Let go and let god” by Albert E Cliffe

It transformed my life so fast it is actually really funny. I can’t stop smiling. I got in a huge argument with my protestant boomer parents who refuse to read it because they don’t believe me that it works. I tried telling them all their health problems are manifested by their negative thinking and they blew a gasket. They still think that Jesus isn’t back yet and they’ve got books about muh Rapture and muh Israel all over their house. The comedy of it is that I found it in my grandpas things after he passed away. I don’t think he understood it either. My parents think I am luciferian because of this book, they can’t comprehend that I smile and laugh at all the stuff they worry about and don’t give a fuck about it. Jesus is my homeboy legit, I feel like I’m in gangsta paradise while other people think the world is doomed and shit.

I love my folks and I forgive them but I’m going to steer clear of them for the next little while, their mentality is completely poisonous. They are straight up boomercore I’ve invited them to the kingdom of heaven and they lash out angrily at me, said I was on drugs and delusional lol

[Anonymous No.20369818]

>>20368218
>he didn’t keep both
What if you have to lend one out?

[Anonymous No.20369829]

>>20369818
>polluting others by lending counterfeit "bibles"

[Anonymous No.20369839]

>>20369829
I want to hear Knox’s psalms, I’m borrowing it. Problem?

[Anonymous No.20369860]

>>20369489
>All disease is caused by unhealthy thinking
What about blindness, or cancer, or other afflictions caused by a material affect in the body and thus can only be cured by another material affect?

>I look around at people today and they are constantly worried and anxious about things that don’t even matter, like who gives a fuck about war in other countries or what celebrities are doing or who is president? People always have their minds elsewhere, either in the past, in the future, cursing others in faraway lands, cursing their past and worrying about what hasn’t even happened yet.

I agree with you on that point. In fact, I've been recently pondering what Jesus meant by "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself". Its commonly thought to mean love others and love yourself and at an equal level. However, Jesus didn't say "love all others", he specifically said "thy neighbor". Because you rub shoulders with your neighbors everyday, you actually PERCEIVE them physically, with your eyes, through conversation, etc. So you should limit your concerns to the people around you, who are important to you and who you actually have any power to help and love. You can feel sympathy for, but you cannot be devising and deliberating plans to save and help people beyond your reach in ways beyond your power. Whoever is significantly touched by certain actions you do, is your neighbor in that moment of your action. And whoever you live close to, and whoever is close to you in your life and whoever sees you as close to them in their life, is also your neighbor. I think. And these are the people you must worry about most, because they are within your scope of power to act upon your love for them.

[Anonymous No.20369918]

>>20369818
The Baronius Knox has typos in it, whereas the original doesn't. I wouldn't lend out a Bible with typos. That said, I do have the hardback Knox NT that you have, though mine actually had an extra signature sewn into it, so everything from 1 Peter to the end of Revelation 3 appears twice in full, before picking up where Revelation 4 was cut off and continuing to the end.

[Anonymous No.20370021]

>>20369591
You gotta be joking

[Anonymous No.20370035]

>>20369918
>an extra signature sewn into it
So does this mean there’s a Knox NT out there with 1 Pet - Rev 3 missing?

I got one with nothing missing nor anything added to it.

[Anonymous No.20370045]

>>20369839
Yes, you need to hear God's psalms instead.

[Anonymous No.20370057]

>>20370035
>So does this mean there’s a Knox NT out there with 1 Pet - Rev 3 missing?
Very likely. I've heard of sewn books missing sections due to missing signatures, so yeah, I guess so. Mine is from the eleventh printing, so it clearly is not a defect from a super early printing that was later corrected, like what typically happens to books that have typos in them. I'm kinda curious how the book block of mine actually fits into the binding, seeing as it has ~20 more leaves in it than it's supposed to. The binding fits and the dust jacket fits normally, though this book is obviously thicker than it's supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.20370060]

>>20370045
I own a Septuagint, so I do hear God's Psalms, silly.

[Anonymous No.20370068]

I know it predates the bible but is the cheapest copy of The Zohar as good as the most expensive copy of it?

[Anonymous No.20370070]

Another meme for debunking Sinless Perfection.

[Anonymous No.20370071]

>>20370068
Why are you asking about the Zohar in a Bible thread?

[Anonymous No.20370074]

>>20370070
>""""V""""

[Anonymous No.20370079]

>>20370074
I was about to put KJB. Should I stop using KJV?

[Anonymous No.20370082]

>>20370074
This, but unironically.

[Anonymous No.20370085]

>>20370079
The K J is not a "version", it is *the* Holy Bible.

[Anonymous No.20370089]

>>20370060
Speaking of LXX, why can't we get nice copies of the great uncial codices in English?

[Anonymous No.20370093]

>>20370085
No, this is.

[Anonymous No.20370094]

>>20370085

[Anonymous No.20370101]

>>20370093
There is a concerted effort by Kikes to push the Septuagint for D&C purposes. No one uses it. Can you articulate the myth behind the writing of the LXX and honestly say you believe it? The myth about Ptolemy?

[Anonymous No.20370120]

>>20370101
>There is a concerted effort by Kikes to push the Septuagint for D&C purposes.
>thinking kikes want you to read the OT the apostles and Jesus knew instead of their 10th-century invention that they themselves acknowledge was corrupted when they got it
Fuck off, kike.

[Anonymous No.20370133]

>>20370101

>Concerted effort by the Kikes to push the Septuagint

What? Every Jew I've spoken to about this has always tried to discredit the Septuagint to push the Masoretic, precisely because the Masoretic omits prophecies of Christ.

There is no myth about the translation of the LXX - it was translated identically by 70 independent Jewish scribes, one of them being Elder Simeon, the same one who bore Christ in his arms, and said "Now let your servant depart in peace". He was translating "virgin" to "young woman" because it seemed impossible to him that this would happen, and so an angel appeared and told him that he would live to see the prophecy be fulfilled. He was hundreds of years old by the time he held Christ in his arms. This has always been the understanding of the Church.

Guess what the Jews say is the accurate translation? Young woman. Not virgin.

[Anonymous No.20370142]

>>20370101
>gabba hookie paylay fockie wockie lowanow
The myth of how it came to be has no bearing on whether or not it is the oldest, least corrupted version of the original Hebrew Scriptures that we have. Fortunately many translations are not pure MT and have LXX derived edits in key passages.

[Anonymous No.20370168]

>>20370133
>every Kike I've met is Pro-KJV (Masoretic Hebrew)
Wrong. Every Kike pushes Modern Perversions (Septuagint/LXX)

[Anonymous No.20370172]

>>20370120
>>20370142
The King James is correct. The Septuagint is not the basis of the King James. You are kikes.

[Anonymous No.20370187]

>>20370172
The KJ B is exactly what I said, MT with LXX edits.

[Anonymous No.20370194]

>>20370187
The KJB translators did not use the Septuagint (aka the Greek). They used only Hebrew for the Old Testament. Only Greek for the New Testament.

I should've known Kikes/Demons would flood Bible Generals to sow confusion.

[Anonymous No.20370201]

>>20370168
>>20370187
>>20370194
The KJV used the MT mixed with the Vulgate.

[Anonymous No.20370214]

>>20370201
No, it doesn't. King James said use the Hebrew for the OT, the Greek for the NT. Because the Roman Catholics were doing differently.

[Anonymous No.20370223]

>>20370214
>the Greek for the NT
Why was 1 John 5:7-8 translated from the Vulgate then?

[Anonymous No.20370231]

>>20370223
Stupid questions. There are 5000 Greek Manuscripts (New Testament). We are talking about the Septuagint and Masoretic (Old Testament). You are just throwing stuff at the wall to confuse lurkers. I'll pray God destroys you and your JIDF buddies.

[Anonymous No.20370236]

>>20370194
Kikes and demons are the ones advocating for using the version of the OT that Christ and the Apostles used? Really?

[Anonymous No.20370242]

>>20370236
Kikes and Demons (redundant in many cases) are anti-KJB, yes. YES.

[Anonymous No.20370251]

>>20370231
>no answer
Par for the course. There are no Greek manuscripts of those 5000 that have the KJV's wording in those two verses before the 1500s. The Greek text that the KJV translated from back-translated those verses from Latin to Greek.

[Anonymous No.20370258]

>>20370242
Yes anon that's nice. The Christians in this thread would like to have a discussion now, so run along.

[Anonymous No.20370268]

>>20370251
No answer for a stupid question. 1 John 5:7 is in some of the 5000 Greek Manuscripts that are the basis of the KJB. You are just inundating the thread with garbage attack after garbage attack on the Word of God so it's hard to follow for any lurkers. God is not mocked. You will pay.

[Anonymous No.20370277]

>>20370268
>1 John 5:7 is in some of the 5000 Greek Manuscripts that are the basis of the KJB.
>some
1 manuscript.
Produced in 1522.
By order of the Vatican.
Back-translated from the Vulgate to serve Catholic ends.
You are defending a Catholic corruption of the text just to defend your favorite translation.

[Anonymous No.20370280]

Ah, I get it. This poster is here to waste everybody's time and get attention from people. By replying you encourage his behavior.
In future threads it will be wise to simply ignore him, or create a filter for the terms he most often uses. He will likely sperg extra hard here and in the near term in an attempt to prevent people from forgetting about him, but will lose interest if he never receives another reply.
If you replied to him in good faith I commend your patience, but encourage you to end the conversation here.

[Anonymous No.20370296]

>>20370277
You got cornered on the Septuagint (Old Testament) vs the Masoretic (Old Testament) and saying stupid garbage like "The King James is based on both". So you change the topic to 1 John 5:7(New Testament). Typical Kike. Spineless, demonic.

[Anonymous No.20370299]

btw the King James NT is based on the Rheims.

[Anonymous No.20370319]

>the KJV New Testament is translated from the Textus Receptus
>the Textus Receptus was Erasmus' Novum Instrumentum omne
>"The text originated with the first printed Greek New Testament, published in 1516, a work undertaken in Basel by the Dutch Catholic scholar, priest and monk Desiderius Erasmus."
KJV confirmed for Catholic. Tradcaths BTFO.

[Anonymous No.20370324]

Well Lads, I’ve been putting off my salvation for far to long. Today I deleted all of the pornography on my computer. I am committed to being more Christ-like and inviting the Spirit into my life. WAGMI

[Anonymous No.20370410]

>>20370101
*St
Saint Ptolemy

[Anonymous No.20370428]

>>20370201

[Anonymous No.20370477]

>>20369489
>all disease is caused by unhealthy thinking
sounds psychoanalytic, groddeck especially

[Anonymous No.20370518]

>>20369489
>all disease is caused by unhealthy thinking
You've just got to go to Scientology auditing and get clear of thetans like Tom. Ever seen Tom get ill? Tom could fearlessly inhale bags of fresh COVID.

[Anonymous No.20370556]

Do I have to say grace before sex?

[Anonymous No.20370589]

This is so good it's unbelievable

[Anonymous No.20370604]

>>20370589
Yeah, N. T. Wright seems to be recommended by everyone. This book in particular.

[Anonymous No.20370611]

>>20370589
>hardcover
I'm jelly.

[Anonymous No.20370791]

>>20367530
What's the Christian solution to getting rid of intrusive thoughts? I'm tired of getting random flashes of violence or terrible things happening

[Anonymous No.20370812]

>>20370410
Kek...are you serious

[Anonymous No.20370994]

>>20370242
This makes obvious enough sense, but you need to space out the K J B now so that one t r a n n y with the filter list has to see it.

[Anonymous No.20371040]

1 John 4:20 - If someone says, “I love God,” and yet he hates his brother or sister, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother and sister whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

I want to have a stronger relationship with Christ. I hold a lot of contempt for people in general, and am repulsed by most strangers I come across. This is contradictory to my Christian beliefs. How fix? I know I am a hypocrite by proclaiming love for Christ and hate for humanity. I love my small circle of friends and family, but outside of that, I hold little love for anyone else.

[Anonymous No.20371105]

>>20370791
Sign of the cross

[Anonymous No.20371278]

>>20371040
It's all in Scripture. Things like doing for others as you would have done for you point towards cultivating awareness of seeing yourself in them, and them in yourself. Needing forgiveness yourself, but in order to be granted that undeserved mercy you must grant it to others. These things hold the keys to cultivating deeper awarenesses that help turn these things on within you. It unfolds more and more over decades, somewhat accordingly/proportionate to how you sow now and along the way. Just offer the best you can muster.

[Anonymous No.20371323]

>>20371040
Read Brother's Karamazov. Re-read it if you already have read it
>I know I am a hypocrite by proclaiming love for Christ and hate for humanity
This is the exact same mindset Ivan had

[Anonymous No.20371385]

>>20369591
> delusional
you are. you've obviously never been seriously ill or you'd know that positive thinking will do jack shit if your body is physically wrecked

[Anonymous No.20371490]

does anyone have non-fiction recommendations regarding Catholicism in Japan? i am most interested in the first missionaries and the consequences of their arrival.

[Anonymous No.20371498]

>>20371490
Deus Destroyed: The Image of Christianity in Early Modern Japan
Japan’s Encounter with Christianity: The Catholic Mission in Pre-Modern Japan

The first is better.

[Anonymous No.20371513]

>>20371490
Christs Samurai

[Anonymous No.20371526]

>>20371498
One of the reviews on Amazon is from a screeching fedora about how it portrays Christianity too positively so it's probably good.

[Anonymous No.20371528]

>>20370085
Evangelicals accuse Caths/Orths or idolizing saints when they want to fucking bow down a lick a particular fucking bible translation.

[Anonymous No.20371555]

>>20371498
I found Deus Destroyed online: https://b-ok.cc/book/17021560/2952e4

[Anonymous No.20371623]

>>20371490
>>20371498
Also The Bells of Nagasaki by Takashi Nagai. It's a very interesting book because it's ostensibly about the aftermath of the atomic bomb in Nagasaki but its style and imagery is very decidedly and actively Catholic in a way you don't associate with Japan at all.

Nagai is literally a Servant of God i.e. the first step towards canonized Catholic sainthood.

[Anonymous No.20371941]

>>20366243
Since the ESVSB of this verse is already posted, I thought I'd share the NOA
>As Gentiles, the Magi do not ask for the king of Israel, but for the king of the Jews (27.11,37). The star has been variously explained as a supernova, a comet, or a notable conjunction of the planets, but its meaning is probably symbolic; see Num 24.17.

[Anonymous No.20372101]

>>20371528
You either have the most correct set of words available or not.

[Anonymous No.20372146]

Anglicanism had a big win this week. Australia had its first General Synod since well before Covid and the Sydney Diocese, which is the only Anglican Diocese outside of Africa to not ordain women and the only one in Australia against blessing same sex marriage (though this has only occurred twice in Australia anyway), managed to get a majority on the Committee. It appears to be looking to decentralise the national body, and since the national body is already as decentralised as it can be it looks as though it's attempting to establish full automony for each Diocese like the Church had prior to 1968.

[Anonymous No.20372158]

>>20372146
Surprised Anglicanism in Australia is so based considering the Uniting Church there is ultra cucked

[Anonymous No.20372169]

>>20372146
Also, the Synod laity and clergy voted strongly in favour of the traditional view of marriage, and it was only not passed as a national law due to a slight majority of Bishops.

>>20372158
Yes it's absolutely terrible, went from a top tier church in terms of attendance alongside Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism to literally smaller than Islam in a tiny span of time. The 1/3 of Presbyterians who voted against the merger with the Methodist Church that created the Uniting Church subsequently unordained women and are almost bigger than the Uniting Church now. Anglicanism has only started seriously losing members in the last 5-10 years since gay marriage has become such an issue and women priests have spread into reality rather than theory, there may still be time to save it.

[Anonymous No.20372174]

>>20372146
>catholics bless same-sex ‘marriage’ in Australia.
Prove this.

[Anonymous No.20372201]

>>20370791
prayer.

[Anonymous No.20372212]

>>20372174
I was talking about the Anglican church though?

[Anonymous No.20372377]

>>20372212
Learn English then.
Godspeed.

[Anonymous No.20372393]

>>20372146
Why are they lending their churches for use as federal voting stations?

[Anonymous No.20372397]

Has anyone here witnessed people crashing church services?

[Anonymous No.20372723]

>>20371498
>>20371513
>>20371623
Adding to my reading list. "The Bells of Nagasaki" specifically sounds really interesting.

[Anonymous No.20373011]

>>20365904
bump

[Anonymous No.20373176]

Is this good?

[Anonymous No.20373734]

here's 4 hours of uninterrupted catholic demaskation of magicians kino content yall
https://endtimes.video/magicians-video/
https://endtimes.video/magicians-video/

[Anonymous No.20373742]

>>20373734
>/endtimes.video
>vaticancatholic.com
>Catholic
Those are sedevacantists, my dude.

[Anonymous No.20373897]

>>20373734
>sedes
>Catholic
>Christian
Choose one

[Anonymous No.20373978]

>>20373742
you can't blame them. if I was catholic I'd probably be a sede as well

[Anonymous No.20374094]

>>20373978
>if I was catholic I'd probably be a sede as well
Then you wouldn't be Catholic.

[Anonymous No.20374256]

>>20374094
Name one thing Lefebvre was wrong about

[Anonymous No.20374278]

>>20370589
A scan of this author’s bio indicates that he’s in favour of the ordination of women. I don’t like to throw the baby out with the bath water but that’s a major red flag for me - does this book touch on any of that or is it safe from modern cultural Marxist garbage

[Anonymous No.20374355]

>>20374278
You don't know who NT Wright is?

[Anonymous No.20374461]

>>20374256
His claims to be Catholic after being excommunicated.

[Anonymous No.20374537]

>>20374355
No, hence my question

[Anonymous No.20374577]

>>20372393
This is extremely common and normal in many countries. Think about it: churches have a large hall which can fit heaps of booths, and every town/suburb has a church at its heart. The government pays them which helps with the upkeep.

[Dago No.20374605]

>>20374461
Excommunication means nothing when the Pope holds zero spiritual authority

[Dago No.20374612]

>>20374094
Lol you couldn’t be more wrong

[Dago No.20374619]

Just a quick reminder that we live in the End Times and the Church is no longer the Church. The Church of the End Times is something totally different and if you are merely a pawn of Satan.

[Dago No.20374627]

>>20371513
Looks sick

[Dago No.20374633]

>>20370324
Ayy atta boy
Semen Retention is unironically our greatest power over the NPC enemies

[Anonymous No.20374642]

>>20365904
Are there any Bible passages that discuss the eating of poop?

[Anonymous No.20374728]

>>20374577
Taking money from a state sponsor of sodomy. I don’t think that’s right.

[Anonymous No.20374734]

>>20374642
probably the one about ezekiel bread

[Anonymous No.20374750]

>>20374461
You can't be excommunicated for holding to the traditional Catholic faith

[Anonymous No.20374797]

>>20374750
Luther was.

[Anonymous No.20374853]

Not really Bible related but also not worth creating a thread for. Does anyone know where can I get the greek version of the Sayings of the Desert Fathers?

[Anonymous No.20374859]

I've been talking to my wife about Bible study with any possible kids we have. She agrees and wants to do that
But, we disagree on the type of translation to use
She thinks KJV would be too complex for kids.
I see her point cause the language is tougher but my Dad always read from KJV when I was a kid and I got used to it.
I'll have to pray when the time comes to determine the best course of action

I guess, a question, what translation did your parents read when you were a kid? Do you use that version or something else, if different, why?

[Anonymous No.20374860]

>>20374859
too complicated? the kids will pick it up fast, it's not like it's a completely new language if you're english speakers

[Anonymous No.20374892]

>>20374859
Tell her: how could feeble-minded children procede from the womb of a genius?
Jokes aside. Just give a homily thereafter. The majestic style of the language might have them take an interest in literature.
I’m Catholic, but it’s just the standard set for the English language. Imagine quoting the ‘Good News Bible’.

[Anonymous No.20374893]

>>20374797
Wrong, he did not submit to the Pope.

[Anonymous No.20374944]

>>20374860
She has a harder time with it so she worries about them not getting it

>>20374892
Haha yeah genius statement would definitely sell her
I agree that it could lead them to take a greater interest in literature
I think the harder language might also make them read closer than something like the NIV.
On top of that of course is the desire to continue a family tradition. I'll have to pray about it.

[Anonymous No.20374984]

>>20365904
OP how is your pic related? Good history of Christianity or have you not read it

[Anonymous No.20375058]

>>20374859
>She thinks
Irrelevant. Bible study requires a Bible, not a "bible".

[Anonymous No.20375059]

theres a lot of bad language in this "Christian" thread

[Anonymous No.20375083]

I started going to church regularly again a few weeks ago and haven't really spent much time on 4chins since. I love all anons, even the papists, and hope you are all doing well.

[Anonymous No.20375097]

>>20365916
Don’t be such a fucking pussy

[Anonymous No.20375143]

>>20375058
I think the NIV isn't bad
Jude 4 isn't bad since it literally says Christ is God.
KJV while it's basically saying they're 1 and the same there's room for misinterpretation
NKJV is ok too
Still prefer kjv though

[Anonymous No.20375227]

>>20375143
Well, I'll grant something yet different for Jude 4, that the NIV and others saying "license for" helps make that aspect a lot more understandable. Even the ESV doesn't bring the same clarity.

[Anonymous No.20375228]

Hey Christchads, I have some questions about God I was hoping you could help me with here >>20375191

[Anonymous No.20375804]

Thinking of purchasing a Cambridge Turquoise KJV. Anons with any experience of Cambridge bibles care to weigh in?

[Anonymous No.20375852]

>>20371498
I have read to page 34 of Deus Destroyed so far. The main reason Christianity had trouble setting foot in Japan is that the Missionaries did not understand the the people and had trouble learning the langauge as well. The missionaries hoped to find concepts that were familiar to the native people and reuse them in a way that would allow them to teach about God.

There's one part where it states that one of the converts, Yajiro, told them that Japan had a personal all-creator God that judged everyone called Dainichi, which made the missionaries reuse that God's name when spreading Christianity.

There is also another part where one of the head missionaries, Cabral, was prejudiced against the Japanese and would not allow them to go up in rank in the Church. This was overturned once he stepped down and Valignano took over.

I am reading off of a PDF for it and I look forward to reading more, although it will take a long time to get through.

[Anonymous No.20375919]

>>20374728
supporting political farce is not right at all but at least a lot of freaks will step foot in a church for the first time.

[Anonymous No.20375926]

>>20375919
Does the end justify the means?

[Anonymous No.20375957]

>>20371498
>>20371513
>>20375852

>No-one mentioning St. Nicholas of Japan, who, when Takuma Sawabe came to him with a katana to kill him, asked Takuma for an opportunity to explain the Gospel before he is killed - and upon hearing St Nicholas of Japan expound Orthodoxy, he was converted on the spot, and became Paul Sawabe.

Pic related is Fr. Paul Sawabe

[Anonymous No.20375980]

>>20365904
Daniel 11, 34-35
>34 When they stumble, they shall receive a little help. And many shall join themselves to them with flattery, 35 and some of the wise shall stumble, so that they may be refined, purified, and made white, until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time.

Does this verse imply the existence of purgatory?

[Anonymous No.20376157]

>>20375980

No. Your life on earth is purgatory.

[Anonymous No.20376166]

Who was Josephs father ?

[Anonymous No.20376602]

>>20376166
Jacob (not the patriarch)
it's in Matthew 1

[Anonymous No.20376610]

>>20376166
actually, which Joseph?

[Anonymous No.20376738]

>>20370068
>predates the bible
it doesn't
>is the cheapest copy...as good as the most expensive...?
it isn't, get the Pritzker

[Anonymous No.20376856]

Can I get a quickless rundown on the non-English Bible translations?
All I know is that in Spanish, la Reina Valera is the Protestant one that’s been around for a long time and the first one approved for Catholic use was during el Caudillo Francisco Franco’s tenure, then there’s the Jerusalem Bible which is essentially a translation of a translation from French.

[Anonymous No.20376882]

>visiting priest casually trashes NIV during the middle of his sermon
Is there one thing that unites Christians more than opposition to the NIV?

[Anonymous No.20376976]

>>20375059
Sweet talk is nothing but lies. Listen to the bitter truth instead

[Anonymous No.20376988]

>>20376976
>From filthy speaking we ourselves must entirely abstain, and stop the mouths of those who practice it by stern looks and averting the face, and by what we call making a mock of one: often also by a harsher mode of speech. For what proceeds out of the mouth, He says, defiles a man, Matthew 15:18 — shows him to be unclean, and heathenish, and untrained, and licentious, and not select, and proper, and honourable, and temperate.

>And as a similar rule holds with regard to hearing and seeing in the case of what is obscene, the divine Instructor, following the same course with both, arrays those children who are engaged in the struggle in words of modesty, as ear-guards, so that the pulsation of fornication may not penetrate to the bruising of the soul; and He directs the eyes to the sight of what is honourable, saying that it is better to make a slip with the feet than with the eyes. This filthy speaking the apostle beats off, saying, Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but what is good. Ephesians 4:29 And again, As becomes saints, let not filthiness be named among you, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which things are not seemly, but rather giving of thanks. Ephesians 5:3-4 And if he that calls his brother a fool be in danger of the judgment, what shall we pronounce regarding him who speaks what is foolish? Is it not written respecting such: Whosoever shall speak an idle word, shall give an account to the Lord in the day of judgment? And again, By your speech you shall be justified, He says, and by your speech you shall be condemned. Matthew 12:37 What, then, are the salutary ear-guards, and what the regulations for slippery eyes? Conversations with the righteous, preoccupying and forearming the ears against those that would lead away from the truth.

[Anonymous No.20377013]

>>20376882

[Anonymous No.20377033]

>>20377013

[Anonymous No.20377035]

>>20377033

[Anonymous No.20377047]

>>20376882
>Is there one thing that unites Christians more than opposition to the NIV?
Opposition to the NRSV.
>Evanglical Protestants created the ESV in response
>Orthodox Christians condemned its use entirely
>Catholic Christians refused to validate Canada's use of it for their lectionary for 18 years until substantial changes were made that reversed most of the gender natural stuff; additionally clung to the RSV-CE and later created the RSV-2CE in response
In fact, it can probably be broadened out as opposition to "gender-inclusive" revisions in general. The NRSV, NIV2011, NASB2020, etc.

[Anonymous No.20377170]

>>20377047
>the NRSVue has been added to Bible Gateway
Cringe.
https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-Revised-Standard-Version-Updated-Edition-NRSVue-Bible

[Anonymous No.20377244]

>>20375228
Whoever gave the response with pic in my thread, thanks. (I have no idea why it got taken down) Here's what I responded with before that though:
>I guess by objective I meant absolute. Either way, that definition of morality is helpful. I guess my main questions are what books you'd recommend for a pleb who's only watched some Jay Dyer and Jonathan Pageau videos (don't make fun of me pls), what you make of things like carbon dating and other evidence for evolution and a Universe Billions of years old (I can't believe God would use dinosaur bones just to test our faith, but I can believe some bad actors have twisted a few facts to draw out a monstrously false conclusion on, say, the age of a fossil), and how should I understand what God's mind even is? Is it like an all-knowing human mind because such a description seems lacking.

[Anonymous No.20377287]

>>20377244
not that guy nor saw that thread, but they found so-called fossils with tubulin and collagen in them (organic stuff that obviously wouldn't last the alleged fossil age).
also extrapolating conclusions. they could just be normal animal bones that fell in a weird way, if i were to make a situation up. you could take a hippo skeleton and draw up a dinosaur that fits the way its bones are.
on God's mind, you're right in saying that description is lacking, because saying it's a human mind limits God.
not sure how to explain it either.

[Anonymous No.20377511]

>>20375957
I never heard about him. I would like to learn more about this. Do you have any good resources about this?

[Anonymous No.20377542]

>>20377511
Not him, but I found this.
https://journeytoorthodoxy.com/2012/09/the-conversion-of-a-samurai
Unfortunately, searching those quotes brings up no original resources, so I'm led to believe they probably exist in untranslated Japanese and/or Russian books.

[Anonymous No.20377652]

>>20377170
>Bible Gateway
Cringe

[Anonymous No.20377905]

So Christians can't harm someone who commits evil? They can't harm communists who are massacring others?

[Anonymous No.20377929]

>>20377905
Never mind I understood now. If it's done without a desire to harm, then that doesn't apply.

[Anonymous No.20377994]

>>20376610
"father" of Jesus

[Anonymous No.20377997]

>>20376602
Luke 3:23

[Anonymous No.20378001]

>>20376882
KJV is the only true Bible

[Anonymous No.20378016]

Is the second vatincan that bad? What's wrong with accepting other religions and other things? I'm 100% not trolling. I don't think progressive things are inherently bad, I think they're just applied very malevolently

[Anonymous No.20378123]

>>20378001
This, but also why there is no """""""V""""""" on the end, because *the* Holy Bible is not a "version".

[Anonymous No.20378132]

>>20378016
>s the second vatincan that bad?
No. Vatican II is actually pretty conservative when you read the documents. Sedes never actually read them, though, as they get their faith and info from e-celebs, so they wouldn't know. Virtually everything (though not all) bad you've seen or heard pinned on Vatican II is not in the documents; it's stuff done "in the spirit of Vatican II," even when that "spirit" actually has nothing to do with Vatican II.

[Anonymous No.20378221]

>>20378016
VII is basically the Church's equivalent of the Left Turn that every institution in the West took after WW2.

[Dago No.20378232]

>>20378221
It’s far worse

[Anonymous No.20378242]

>>20378232
Meh, everything turned left-wing after WW2 because the Left won WW2 and had the moral authority to implement their vision, obviously.
>inb4 muh masonic conspiracies etc.
No they just cucked.

[Anonymous No.20378287]

>>20378242
the Vatican is guided by God and is not subject to the current trends.

[Dago No.20378294]

>>20378242
>muh right vs left
You dumb zoomer

[Anonymous No.20378323]

>>20378287
Do you think VII is valid or invalid?
>not subject to current trends
>what is Liberation Theology

[Anonymous No.20378555]

>>20374859

On the Bible in a Year Podcast, Mike Schmitz uses the Revised Standard Version. I was brought up on KJV but think the RSV is a good compromise of rigorous text while being a bit easier to read. For example Leviticus 18 refers to homosexuality as an "abomination".

[Anonymous No.20378688]

>>20378555
>compromise
>good
Enjoy your NCC/CIA sponsored "bible" with its "young woman" giving birth to the Messiah and the serpent being an "other" beast of the field.

[Anonymous No.20378689]

I’ve been trying to get into the Bible but struggling a bit. Any tips? I think I have the KJV. Pic related is mine

[Anonymous No.20378692]

>>20378689
struggling with what? i could give you a reading order, for one. ask away.

[Anonymous No.20378702]

>>20378689
also the translation is probably in the first few pages where it gives the originals and stuff.

[Anonymous No.20378707]

>>20378692
Just in general. I liked Ecclesiastes and Job. Started Mark but dropped it. Think I like the OT better

[Anonymous No.20378712]

>>20375804
I have a clarion and I love it, but I recall seeing the exact same text block with cheaper cover being sold by someone else
I honestly dont think its worth it, unless you really want a fancy bible to pass down to your kids (they'll end up selling it on pawn stars)

[Anonymous No.20378722]

>>20377047
the oxford study bible uses the nrsv and a ton of the notes are just explaining why its a bad translation

[Anonymous No.20378734]

>>20378707
they're two parts of the same thing.
give John a try next.
i think reading the NT first is better because you can see the prophecies about it in the OT more clearly. although both ways work. can't really give you a good OT order though.

[Anonymous No.20378745]

>>20378734
I thought there weren’t any prophecies in the OT? I feel like the OT has a more “biblical” feel to it. Should I just read the NT in order?

[Anonymous No.20378777]

>>20378745
where did you think all the prophecies about Jesus came from?

[Anonymous No.20378781]

>>20378745
An entire book of the OT is called the Book of Prophets. Read the Pentateuch if you like "Biblical" literature, but I'd also recommend Luke-Acts (actually one work by the same author) to get most of the stuff in the NT timeline.

[Anonymous No.20378800]

Let's settle this. What do we think about it?

[Anonymous No.20378807]

>>20378800
Fake and gay.

[Anonymous No.20378817]

>>20378800
Inferior to pic related

[Anonymous No.20378839]

>>20378745
if i am to give my suggestion, Matthew,Mark, Luke and Acts, and John, then the Epistles, Revelation, and the OT.
you could swap around the Gospels; maybe start with John and Luke and Acts

[Anonymous No.20378855]

>>20378688
>Enjoy your NCC/CIA sponsored "bible" with its "young woman"
It says virgin.

[Anonymous No.20378871]

>>20378855
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revised_Standard_Version#Isaiah_7:14_dispute_and_impact

[Anonymous No.20378890]

>>20378817
>>20378800
Fantastic. Its study notes are shorter than the ESV which is why I'd rank the ESVSB higher, but the contextual essays are significantly better.

[Anonymous No.20378904]

>>20378871
Maybe try paying attention to the discussion.
The RSV-2CE:

[Anonymous No.20379238]

>>20377035
They just cut out a whole verse? What is this a misprint

[Anonymous No.20379324]

>>20378016
Everything past the initial 7 ecumenical counsels is absolute heterodoxy and a betrayal to the way of Christ.

[Anonymous No.20379394]

>>20378001
Your only “true Bible” calls satan the god of this world.
>world
Meanwhile the Greek is aeon. And aeon means age.

Check and mate m8. The KJV is doctrinally incorrect to the point of blasphemy. I’m gonna play it safe and just stick to the Vulgate and the LXX like the cool antisemite kids.

[Anonymous No.20379431]

I'm not religious but now I'm interested in God. There are many reasons for that but tl;dr any small step I make towards religion makes me feel pure again, hopeful, and "clean". It's difficult to put into words and it may sound silly but whatever lol. I love that feeling and wish to explore it further. I'm not sure I'm ready to make it a lifestyle but I'm certainly interested in reading the bible, researching its deeper meanings, maybe applying some of it. My main questions are :
1) Which translation is best? I'm a non english native so I wouldn't want obscure ancient writings but I want the closest to the "truth".
2) Similarly, from the very little I know about Christianity, it seems to me there's a modern, "soft" Christianity, with the idea of a super nice Christ who always turns the other cheek, etc. For some reason I don't feel drawn to this at all, it feels wrong, false. I wouldn't say it's "kike lies" like our pol friends lol but idk. What's your take on this and are there any versions of the bible with a "harsher" God? I'm gonna sound weird but as I'm writing this I realize I'm drawn to the idea of submitting to something greater. I guess it's way less plausible for me if there is a super nice God, simply put. Any versions of the Bible, or branches of Christianity or something (keep in mind I know nothing about those as well) deal with this idea? Thanks frens

[Anonymous No.20379446]

>>20379394
No Bible is perfect, but the KJV and the ESV are the most consistently doctrinally correct bibles for non-Papists.

[Anonymous No.20379458]

>>20379431
1) see the post above this. Keep away from the NIV and NRSV, or denomination-specific translations.
2) the Christian God is a loving God, and a core tenet of Christianity is that man brings evil on himself through sin. If you prefer a harsh and judgmental God, try Islam or Judaism.

[Anonymous No.20379503]

>>20379458
Muslims are enemies of my people and many of the young ones wish me harm. It would feel like submitting to them instead of God and so I refuse. Kinda the same with Jews, they are insanely closed to converts, Christianity is best for me no doubts about that. I'm okay with a loving God of course, I'm just kinda ticked off by the "help everyone, trust others" speech I hear from some Christians. I'm going to drift off to some political bs but that mindset I quoted is what brought and allowed to multiply the Muslims that cut my people's throats now, so I really dislike that sort of thinking. Alright, fuck it, I'm going full /pol/tard but I basically really wish there was a Christian version that is wary of foreigners and preaches for a harsher justice than "live and let live and turn the other cheek." Does that really not exist?

[Anonymous No.20379540]

>>20379503
It's not about trusting others, but charity even to non-Christians and specifically to your enemies is a core doctrine of Christianity. If you're looking to Christianity to suit your political beliefs, it won't work, though you may feel comfortable joining the orthotrad larpers on /his/ and posting crusade memes.

[Anonymous No.20379548]

>>20379431
You should look into Orthodoxy, as it is where the unbroken apostolic tradition and fullness of the Gospel can be found. I would warn you to not get wrapped up in online ‘Orthodox’ LARPers, as it is quite different from real Orthodoxy and is a mockery of the faith. Just start with the ESV or NKJV. Avoid at all costs NIV or NRSV.

I think you’ll find that true Christianity defies all modern categories. The modern caricature of Christ as some sort of leftist ‘free love’ hippie is not true, but neither is the opposite extreme. Christ indeed taught us to turn the other cheek, to pray for our enemies, and to put the search for the Kingdom of God above all worldly things. But he also called sinners to repent and warned them of the coming judgement. Caring for the poor, loving our neighbor, and loving God is core to Christianity. But loving evil and sin as modern pseudo-Christians preach is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ or His apostles. This is what you are probably thinking of more than anything. If you talk about submitting to something greater, this is of course something key to Christianity. We must align our will with God’s. ‘May thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven’. God is not harsh, though. God loves the world, and sent us His only-begotten Son so that we may have faith in Him and have eternal life. Christ died for us. If I say God is not harsh, do not think He excuses sin though. He will come back in glory to judge the world impartially will separate the wicked from the righteous.

Also, do not forget to regularly pray, even a bit. A good habit of prayer does wonders. Even if it feels silly at first.

[Anonymous No.20379565]

>>20379540
I dislike orthotrad larpers lol, and I'm still genuinely interested in religious pursuit. There's been a lot that has been building up to this and I realize I'm gonna have to go through that phase, whether it sticks or not. I want it to stick, however, because it feels like the logical conclusion of a lot of previous events and interrogations. What should I do, then, if I end up disagreeing to half of what I'm reading? Or, pretend I'm another Christian. What am I supposed to do if I come across something I simply don't agree with, no matter how much I wish to agree? Surely all Christians don't agree with 100% of the content of the Bible. What do they do then?

[Anonymous No.20379566]

>>20379565
What kind of things would you disagree with?

[Anonymous No.20379568]

>>20379503
Christianity isn’t a worldly religion, and thus it will always conflict with one’s political beliefs. Any Christianity that is just about bashing on immigrants and nationalism isn’t actually Christianity—and note I’m NOT saying that flooding the West with immigrants is necessarily ‘good’ or that you can’t feel a connection to your culture or traditions as some /pol/ people might think. What you should look at is the prophecies which confirm Jesus, the evidence of Christianity’s truth, etc. rather than looking for something that checks off a list of criteria that you like, and most importantly *pray for guidance* Let the truth of the Gospel change you and don’t settle with a false Gospel.

[Anonymous No.20379571]

>>20379394
This world is this aeon and this aeon is this world. When this aeon ends so does this world. The vulgate and DRB claim that the woman will defeat the serpent rather than her seed. Talk about blasphemy.

[Anonymous No.20379601]

>>20379566
Keep in mind I admit knowing very little and I haven't read the bible, I refer to a mindset I've seen in some modern Christians : forgiving our enemies and those who did us wrong, being tolerant of everyone, preaching selflessness or our self sacrifice for total strangers, and caring for the poor (the unfortunate, I would be okay with; but "the poor" has way too many liars, thieving crackheads and more generally "bad people" for me to agree). I guess my love and empathy can only be found for myself, my friends and family, and who I feel grateful towards.

>>20379568
I guess my main fear, which explains my search for the perfect translation or branch of Christianity, is to wrongly believe in and worship something false, false ideas. Not false as in "God doesn't exist etc" but false as in false for me, not good for me or my loved ones. Here I spoke about immigrants so it's mainly about my safety: I can't follow something that makes me weaker, by giving me a "cucked mindset", to put it REALLY bluntly.

[Anonymous No.20379672]

>>20379601
>forgiving our enemies and those who did us wrong
Taught by Christ Himself. Not a ‘modern idea’
>being tolerant of everyone
Not a Biblical idea.

>preaching selflessness or our self sacrifice for total strangers
Quite literally done by Christ Himself. Not a modern idea.

>and caring for the poor
Taught by Christ Himself, and there is a parable where those who have not cared for the poor are consigned to hellfire.

>I guess my love and empathy can only be found for myself, my friends and family, and who I feel grateful towards.
Christ teaches us to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect, and He sends down rain on both the good and wicked alike, and tells us to pray for our enemies, because even the non-believers and sinners pray for their friends and family. Christ teaches that His teaches may very well divide you from your community, friends and family.

[Anonymous No.20379697]

>>20379565
Christianity requires that you love God above all else. If you try and become Christian while hating immigrants/Muslims (as opposed to certain immigration policies), you are loving politics above God.

[Anonymous No.20379716]

>>20379548
>Avoid at all costs NIV
What's wrong with the niv? I find it to be better than other modern translations like nlt and esv

[Anonymous No.20379724]

>>20379716
Look into the translation team. Full of liberals and literal agenda-driven lesbians and gays

[Anonymous No.20379745]

What’s everyone’s opinion on Paul? Some say he is the most corrupt man ever

[Anonymous No.20379750]

>>20379745
>Some say
I don't care what Muslims and atheists say.

[Anonymous No.20379753]

>>20379745
worst case scenario, he was mentally ill
but i dont see him being corrupt. he lost a lot of privilege for following christ, and was beaten/jailed regularly

[Anonymous No.20379755]

>>20379745
A faithful servant of the Lord and a beautiful story of Christ changing a man’s hard. Instrumental to the spread of the Gospel to the Gentiles and author of some of the greatest parts of the NT other than the Gospels themselves. Any other opinion comes from angry Jews, Muslims, progressives or LARPagans

[Anonymous No.20379759]

>>20379750
This, ever.

[Anonymous No.20379762]

>>20379750
Why don't you just say you don't care what any anti-Christians have to say? There's more than just Muslims and atheists that dislike Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20379769]

>>20379755
>Jews, Muslims, progressives or LARPagans
Disingenuous to reduce it to that. There can be Dharmic practitioners, various philosophers, and much more that dislike Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20379771]

>>20379745
He was accepted by the Apostles who knew Christ personally, his writings are incredible, and he sacrificed a great deal for his faith, including his life. I don't see how anyone could dislike him.

[Anonymous No.20379776]

>>20379762
>Why don't you just say you don't care what any anti-Christians have to say?
Terms accepted.

[Anonymous No.20379794]

>>20379769
“Dharmic” people are just more pagans, and are included under what I said. Their religions are full of conman gurus, demon worship, occultism, and an amalgamation of all sorts of bizarre practices. They are dedicated in trying to reduce Christ into another ‘guru’ or ‘sadhu’ (i.e. pagan)

[Anonymous No.20379805]

>>20379794
I'm not going to shit up your safe space thread over your disgusting disheveled narcissistic Jew on a stick, but I am claiming the list of anti-Christians is more than what you've said. It's obvious to any well-read person who doesn't confine themselves to Christcuck echo chambers like you. While those groups you listed are anti-Christian there can obviously be more.
Anyways, go cry some prayers to that Jew on a stick tonight and be greeted by silence.

[Anonymous No.20379810]

>>20379805
I anticipate a few you’s

[Anonymous No.20379813]

>>20379805
>obvious to any well-read person who doesn't confine themselves to Christcuck echo chambers like you
I've literally heard the Dalai Lama speak in person twice and been blessed by a Rinpoche.

[Anonymous No.20379816]

(you)
Have homoerotic attraction to a Jew on a stick who looks like limp turkey.

[Anonymous No.20379825]

>>20379805
>calls out your barbaric idol worship
>immediately seethes
Jesus loves you.

[Anonymous No.20379832]

>>20379825
>Assumes my theological and metaphysical views
You Christcucks are retarded. My views are a mix of a few philosophies from Pre-Socratics to other movements. I don't agree Jesus was Logos incarnated in flesh. You're not going to convince me, and I only commented to make the point there can be more anti-Christians than the list you gave, that's all.

[Anonymous No.20379836]

>>20379816
(you) have a porn addiction and should stop making nonsexual things sexual
bad for your mental health my friend

[Anonymous No.20379839]

>>20379832
The prophecies speak for themselves. Christ is God.

[Anonymous No.20379852]

>>20379836
I don't watch porn.
>>20379839
>Christ is God
I don't agree, and I consider such a view to doom one's soul. I refer to you as an icchantika.
Muslims have the opposite problem in that they don't allow for any intermediaries and deem them all idolatry. In that sense, Allah is Satanic.
Regardless, I know a self-victimizing Jew who destabilized the Roman empire with his in-fighting among his kind had any glimmer or light of God. In that sense, Jesus is Satanic.

[Anonymous No.20379862]

>>20379852
>had any glimmer or light of God
has no glimmer or light of God*

[Anonymous No.20379930]

>>20379852
>we wuz kangs till that jew

[Anonymous No.20379950]

>>20379571
I know, my claim is that when it comes to translations the DRB is strong where the KJV is week, for example, and vice versa. And ultimately they’re translations, what matters is the message, like Paul says about how the letter kills and only the Spirit gives life.
>quickeneth
The message is beyond human language altogether. So when I study, which is not all day but every day, I will read across all the translations.

[Anonymous No.20379985]

what is the thinking man's version of the bible?

[Anonymous No.20379987]

>>20379745
He built my Church. I live and die for Christ now. Blood in blood out. Christ is God and St. Paul is my cult’s initiator.

[Anonymous No.20379988]

>>20379985
the greek and hebrew manuscripts

[Anonymous No.20379999]

>>20379988
any source for translated versions?

[Anonymous No.20380281]

>>20379985
There can only be one

[Anonymous No.20380315]

>>20379985
There are no "versions" of the Bible. The Holy Bible is the Authorized King J a m e s and it doesn't matter what kind of "man" you are or aren't.

[Anonymous No.20380832]

QRD on God giving Moses the 10 commandments. I was reading Exodus and am confused. One time God calls Moses to Sinai and gives me some 10 commandments on stone tablets but they are completely different from the real 10 commandments.

[Anonymous No.20380835]

>>20380832
>me
him*

[Anonymous No.20380950]

>>20380832
Chapter/verse for reference?

[Anonymous No.20381158]

>>20380315
What if I don’t speak English?

[Anonymous No.20381165]

>>20381158
I think you might have fried the protestant's brain.

[Anonymous No.20381503]

>>20381158
Not the Bible's problem. Does not being a plumber turn a wrench into a hammer?