/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.20383035]

Dungeon Treasure Edition

Previous Thread:>>20376142

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[Anonymous No.20383057]

Litrpg fans are worse than weebs

[Anonymous No.20383063]

Slewfoot by Brom

Amazing dark fantasy in a Puritan era, I recommend it if you liked "The Witch" movie, it's way better and has less horror and more fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20383084]

>>20383035
fuck maps
fuck worldbuilding
fuck hard magic
fuck female MCs
fuck female authors
fuck empires
fuck magic swords
fuck chosen ones
fuck bows
fuck animal companions
fuck chink shit
fuck grim dark
fuck savior tropes
fuck multiple POVs
fuck pseudo medieval European settings
fuck african settings
fuck asian settings
fuck north american settings
fuck middle eastern settings
fuck modern settings
fuck abercrombie
fuck bakker
fuck martin
fuck le guin
fuck quips
fuck low stakes
fuck high stakes
fuck bows
fuck ships
fuck sci-fi

[Anonymous No.20383093]

>>20383070
Well, for example, the latest book has a multi-step plan for the climax. Carl admittedly knows he's planning from pretty incomplete info, so it's a shaky plan and he's basically just got a lot of contigencies for what to do if it goes wrong. We're privy to none of the planning until after the climax is underway, and we start seeing snppets of the planning discussions at the start of chapters before they come to fruition (or have been so derailed that they're doing something else with the components), and while there are vague references to them discussing a plan and some details are mentioned here and there, you're at most left to infer some key parts. It's not awful, but it feels disingenuous when so much is hidden from the reader when so little is hidden otherwise.

[Anonymous No.20383128]

>>20383084
>”fuck bows” twice
Argument invalidated

[Shiller No.20383135]

>>20382905
>Shiller bro, I'm about to start Volume 4 but I've noticed that it starts with like 200 pages of Flos
>Is it good? I really don't feel very motivated to continue reading at the moment
>I feel like pirate went overboard at the end of Volume 3 with the slice of life and it's gonna be just pure "story" for way too long now

You are entering so called 'Flos Wall of early V4.' Putting so much Flos at the start of V4 was probably a mistake by Pirate, but it's the most important Chandrar arc in the early TWI, after this you won't see Flos for a loooooooong time, or at least not for longer than a single chapter somewhere in V5, I thing. The most important thing is after you are done with this arc, you are about to experience the start of the REAL TWI, V4 being basically the end of the prologue. Flos Wall is the last hurdle before the truly juicy stuff.

Personally, I like this arc, it has some memorable scenes that people still mention to this day, like the conversation about Hitler. if you didn't like Chandrar plotline before, it's possible you will with this series of chapters. There is action and important reveals, especially at the end, giving the plotline its own identity and goals. Some people like this, some don't, but this kickstarts this plotline to something more than just 'that annoying Chandrar plotline that takes me from reading about Erin.' Don't worry about slice of life, the ratio of them doesn't change significantly for a longer time than you'd care to know, just enjoy the story, and remember, if you find something really boring then just skim a bit.

In the extreme case you read the first chapter of the arc and REALLY cannot bear to read longer, then just skip to 4.05K, this way you will read only the imporatnt bits, you can always re-read later if you feel you missed something relevant. The next chapter, 4.06KM is not a Flos chapter, but one amazing (in my opinion) scene that concludes the arc and makes Trey as a character. The rest of the chapter is Izril stuff.

Enjoy!

[Anonymous No.20383136]

Fifth Head of Cerberus is so comfortable, holy fuck. I have no idea where he's going with the two novellas included after it but I want more backwater slave trade colony.

[Anonymous No.20383167]

>>20383084
I have
>female lead along with a male lead
>magic sword used by main villain
>chosen one, but mostly as a twist because it turns out to be false
>bows
>2 povs
>pseudo medieval Europe setting
>some quips
>medium stakes
In my novel

[Anonymous No.20383169]

Reading Brandon Sanderson, wtf is this?

[Anonymous No.20383173]

>>20383084
Catastrophically based

[Anonymous No.20383176]

>>20383169
Sanderson trying to be nice to one of his friends because Drehy is based on one of his real friends who's also gay.

[Anonymous No.20383188]

>>20383169
I am glad I dropped Sanderson after Oathbreaker.

[Anonymous No.20383191]

>>20383167
get rid of the female, make male mc half magical robot who has lost all and any interest in romantic relationships and sex,

[Anonymous No.20383195]

>>20383136
You are an abo and not from Earth

[Anonymous No.20383199]

>>20383084
What's your most favorite Sf/f book? You have me curious

[Anonymous No.20383202]

>>20383195
The abos are only human because we killed them. If they were human before it would have been less convenient.

[Anonymous No.20383210]

>>20383191
R9kPunk?

[Anonymous No.20383218]

>>20383135
>Flos Wall of early V4
Well fuck, I guess I'll take a couple days off from reading and try to dive straight into it.
From what little I've gathered about the Chandrar arc, the characters seem interesting enough? I was just a bit bummed out that the "main" (Liscor?) storyline didn't continue straight away given how long it has been set up for. The big dungeon was "discovered" in Volume 2(!) and so many cool and interesting characters have gathered but it still feels like there's a long way to go for the big events to start to happen (three goblin factions, Toren, the visiting antinium and other hives, Magnolia, Ryoka is missing 90% of the time, Celum arc just ended etc etc).
Also, I'm a bit bitter about Pisces being a playboy, I was really hoping for him and Ceria to start flirting and stuff straight away but I guess that's also gonna have to wait.

[Anonymous No.20383237]

Someone recommended me this last year and its so good, I recommend this if you like Vampires and gothic horror.

[Anonymous No.20383244]

>>20383237
i remember reading this and kinda liking it but nothing else about the book lol

[Anonymous No.20383245]

>>20383237
It's shit. Also, not gothic.

[Anonymous No.20383273]

>>20383245
Nobody cares purist retard

[Anonymous No.20383288]

Anyone read fanfiction, there is probably a lot of fanfic about books like LOTR and books like that.

[Anonymous No.20383292]

>>20383244
I remember the town and the relationship between the boy and the vampire, some of the fucked up scenes and the playground in the middle of the apartments, the ending was cool too.

[Anonymous No.20383309]

>>20383237
>>20383244
>>20383292
I too liked tight immortal bussy on tap.

[Anonymous No.20383316]

Reading Mother of Learning and am really enjoying it. Especially after falling for the Wandering Inn meme, god what drivel that was. The only real complaint is that the author can't really work exposition into the story organically at all. Every character just turns into a wiki article for a few paragraphs whenever they need to explain something. Otherwise it's a fun mystery time loop story that's kept me engaged the entire time. Though that may be because I was forcing myself to pretend I had any interest in the wandering inn for 3 volumes, I may have forgotten what it was like to read a story where things happen more than once ever 8 chapters.

[Anonymous No.20383319]

>>20383288
I want to write LOTR fanfic but its only in the shire and its never out of it.

[Anonymous No.20383327]

>>20383169
I remember when Sanderson put a gay into the wheel of time. really popped out since there had been no mention of it even existing prior to his books.

[Anonymous No.20383338]

>>20383169
Mormonism is inherently homosexual

[Anonymous No.20383345]

Guide to Gene Wolfe for beginners
https://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Articles.Novice

[Anonymous No.20383362]

>back cover says DEATH WAITS IN PARADISE
>opening chapters mention space pirates
>next 100+ pages are about space football

[Anonymous No.20383366]

>>20383316
what was wrong with the Wandering Inn? I have it on my to-read list.

[Anonymous No.20383369]

>>20382724
I don't think that was it. It had lots of dreamlike scenes, and didn't have the steampunk element.
Thanks though.

[Anonymous No.20383377]

>>20383316
Out of all shilled lit in this thread, MoL is the worst.

[Anonymous No.20383379]

>>20383063
is this pro or anti-christian

[Anonymous No.20383383]

>>20383366
I just started it and its fun, first litrpg I read.

[Anonymous No.20383388]

>>20383169
>reading Brandon Sanderson
no you're not, you're just fishing for (you)s by reposting the same image multiple times over the last several weeks

[Anonymous No.20383391]

>>20383383
litrpg?

[Anonymous No.20383394]

>>20383391
fantasy where the world runs on game-like rules
fantasy where only certain characters have access to these rules are often called "system" stories

[Anonymous No.20383395]

>>20383394
so is it like those jap isekai shows were the MC can level up and use an inventory?

[Anonymous No.20383401]

>>20383379
It's like "The Witch" movie, the setting is Christian and the characters are Christians, but it explores another side of spirituality, there is parts where the character has a revelation of god and where she has faith in something but I don't know if its Christian or not, if you like the Puritan theme go for it.

[Anonymous No.20383402]

>>20383395
most of those shows are adapted from isekai litrpg, yes

[Anonymous No.20383405]

>>20383402
ok. sounds like it might not be for me then. thanks.

[Shiller No.20383422]

>>20383391
>>20383394
>fantasy where only certain characters have access to these rules are often called "system" stories
That's not exactly correct. LitRPG is a genre of stories in which the power is governed by some sort of game-like rules, although they can look starkly different depending on the author. However, those game-like mechanics are often called 'systems' by the readers or the character within stories. I don't know why you would say only certain characters can access the system, there are stories where 'System' isn't ubiquituos, but they are very rare to my experience, and I've read a lot.

Those 'System' can vary, but generally there are two kinds, one where a System adds a game layer on top of already existing power and magic, and one where the entirety of any power comes directly from the system. But that's just a simplification. Just think of any popular video game RPG and how a story with system governed like that would look.

[Anonymous No.20383429]

>>20383084
I like making architectural diagrams for buildings more then actually writing

[Shiller No.20383430]

>>20383405
>ok. sounds like it might not be for me then. thanks.
desu I've never heard of any japanese litrpgs, but I didn't see any LitRPG where a character had an inventory and the story wasn't trashy. Inventory sounds like something very game-like, and stories commonly don't go that deep into pretending the setting is a game. Mostly just Levels and powers that come from them, i.e more powerful spells or stronger abilities.

[Anonymous No.20383435]

>>20383430
idk, just the tie to rpgs makes me worried its gonna be a non serious story or a power fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20383446]

Just finished I shall seal the heavens book 5, it was good

i really liked that part talking about father love and family, i felt like the author was talking about his own father, i also got sad thinking about my father and my family, I think the author did a very good job with these chapters involving the relationship between father and son and as the son only notices the father's absence when the father is no longer present, It made me sad and thoughtful for a long time, it made me think about my childhood in the same way that the MC and the author talked about childhood and the relationship with the father.

[Shiller No.20383450]

>>20383435
>idk, just the tie to rpgs makes me worried its gonna be a non serious story or a power fantasy.
Admittedly most of them are cheap power fantasies, but there are serious LitRPG stories, among them the best would be The Wandering Inn. It has very lite game-like system, mostly being just a great fantasy story. If you are not sure how it would look like in a serious story, TWI would be the best kind of story to check out. Other than that, probably Dungeon Crawler Carl.

[Anonymous No.20383455]

>>20383450
maybe I will give it a chance then. Is there anything that makes it particularly worth reading?

[Shiller No.20383472]

>>20383455
>maybe I will give it a chance then. Is there anything that makes it particularly worth reading?
It's late and I am going to bed, so I'll just picrel my old recommendation of TWI, sorry. But I wholeheartedly recommend it.

[Anonymous No.20383474]

>>20383455
Don’t fall for the meme, the wandering inn is shit, either read Mother of Learning or dungeon crawler Carl. But avoid the wandering Inn.

[Anonymous No.20383478]

>>20383394
Ah so the real world is litRPG then

[Anonymous No.20383485]

[Anonymous No.20383488]

>>20383377
Why do you just go and tell lies on the internet?

[Anonymous No.20383491]

>>20383488
Because I read MoL and it was terrible.

[Anonymous No.20383492]

>>20383485
pretentious dogshit
fuck outta here with bugman scifi

[Anonymous No.20383499]

>>20383199
Rip Van Winkle

[Anonymous No.20383502]

>>20383455
>>20383474
Don't fall for the meme, all webnovels are shit except maybe japanese ones because light novels actually have a place in the anime medium.

[Anonymous No.20383505]

>>20383446
also in the last thread someone had said that the protagonist besides being a jew lootgoblin was a mary sue, I was going to answer but it was late and I went to sleep

It has been shown in book 2 and other books that he has a strong background and is apparently from one of the strongest clans, but for some reason his parents abandoned him in a remote place of the current planet without explaining anything to him, the The MC's mother has already appeared once and his sister even traveled with him for a while, but the sister didn't tell him that she was his sister and only commented to herself something like "Was it the right choice to leave him there? ", the MC grew up alone and without family, and also caused this "hole" about parental love / family love

[Anonymous No.20383529]

I'll finally start reading the stormlight archive tonight

[Anonymous No.20383583]

Recommend some audiobooks to listen while I wageslave anons. Recenty finished Asoif and looking for someone as comfy as Roy Dotrice.

[Anonymous No.20383587]

>>20383583
the library at mount char

[Anonymous No.20383592]

Is the wheel of time worth getting into?
the amount of books in the series looks overwhelming

[Anonymous No.20383634]

>>20383592
There are a couple of slow books but it's pretty great all around. It also has the best waifus if that is important to you.

[Anonymous No.20383643]

Am I a pleb if I'm allergic to drawn-out bouts of environmental description/history? I'm reading Perdido Street Station right now and there have been several instances multi-page worldbuilding dumps, most of which is irrelevant to the current events.

[Anonymous No.20383677]

>>20383169
Mormons are fucked up.

[Anonymous No.20383686]

>>20383643
Contrary to what pseud authors would say, no
Writing AND reading loads of scenic description is fucking boring, multi-page dumps of world detail are just the tools of hack frauds who don't know how to fit it in organically

[Anonymous No.20383709]

>>20383643
>>20383686
I think the issue is related to that ting anon was talking about where modern authors are influenced by film to over-describe actions, but applied to the settings.
So just like they spend 5 pages of the characters having quirky descriptive conversation about how hot it is instead of just writing "it was hot", they also have a tendency to try to literally paint a picture describing the exact location in detail instead of just saying something like "it was a dark and stormy night in the forest".
Unmentioned so far but it goes the same for character description, they dump out a fucking crime scene sketch "he was 6 foot 6 inches, 270lbs balding with dark brown hair, a large nose, deep set green eyes, wearing a red calfskin winter jacket with blue trim on the pockets and z brass zipper, etc, etc..." instead of "he was kinda tall and fat and wore a red coat."

[Anonymous No.20383726]

Im considering reading this

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.20383731]

Whoever writes blurbs for the publishers now is so bad at it, everything sounds the same.

There's a new John Crowley out and from the description I thought it was just generic historical fantasy until I saw his name

[Anonymous No.20383752]

>>20383169
>this image again

[Anonymous No.20383774]

I just love it so much bros

[Anonymous No.20383785]

>>20383774
>Hugo Award-Winning
So it’s pozzed

[Anonymous No.20383789]

>>20383774
I read the Madoka fanfic version of that and can say both that it's much better than the source and also that it's shit and I hate it even more than the source because it gradually gets consumed and basically becomes a 1-to-1 clone as the author gets tired of actually having to think.

[Anonymous No.20383793]

>>20383583
Unironically LotR narrated by Andy Serkis

[Anonymous No.20383794]

THE FEMALE CHILD

[Anonymous No.20383806]

>>20383774
>Hugo award
pozzed

[Anonymous No.20383808]

>>20383785
It's Avatar(the blue furry one not the cartoon one), only instead of braindead scifi vietnam muhrines vs hippy catman biotech communism it's brainded scifi vietnam hippy catman muhrine communism, but also they're green.

[Anonymous No.20383821]

does TWI have romance or sex?

[Anonymous No.20383829]

>>20383785
Winning awards is bad?

[Anonymous No.20383831]

>>20383794
>"The secret ingredient is... LOVE?! WHO'S BEEN MESSING WITH THIS THING!?"

[Anonymous No.20383833]

>>20383829
It’s an award only given to progressive pozzed authors

[Anonymous No.20383835]

>>20383794
This demon looks distressed, hope he is feeling better now

[Anonymous No.20383841]

>>20383833
Is there an award given to based red pilled authors?

[Anonymous No.20383843]

>>20383841
Being banned from publication.

[Anonymous No.20383850]

>>20383843
Supreme.

[Anonymous No.20383860]

>>20383821
Yes. The female mc is raped by a goblin, and after a couple more rapes she develops Stockholm syndrome over time.

[Anonymous No.20383872]

>>20383035
>Know it's trash
>Still reread the series at least once a year.
What's that one series you revisit regardless of quality, anon and why? For me it's nostalgia, I read this series when I was going through my edge phase in highschool and was reading grimdark shit.

[Anonymous No.20383903]

>>20383057
They're pretty cancerous just based on recent threads.

[Anonymous No.20383905]

>>20383860
TWI is Bakker pilled?

[Anonymous No.20383910]

>>20383169
>>/lit/image/iLzoHPPf8HUnZoYTA8OKtw

Back to your old tricks again, reposting images from previous threads, are we? Curious how a disproportionate amount of the times you do this, it's about obsessively shitposting sanderson.

[Anonymous No.20383914]

>>20383910
Sup Brandon

[Anonymous No.20383916]

>>20383910
All me

[Anonymous No.20383920]

>>20383910
Either report him or just ignore him, but stop replying to him, that's what he wants.

[Anonymous No.20383925]

>>20383920
You have to call him out along with his samefag replies or people don't do anything. That's how he was able to operate for so long before mods started acting against him.

[Anonymous No.20383929]

>>20383821
>does TWI have romance or sex?
Yeah but it's done in a really weird way
All confined to an absolutely insufferable chapter called something like "mating habits" which feels like non-canon
but then after mating habits 2 way later on suddenly there's fucking and the protag basically getting harrassed for not being into the idea of fucking anyone

MH1 is so bad it put me off the book for like a month

[Anonymous No.20383930]

>>20383925
No, you just have to report him for his low effort, spamming posts, that's how you get jannies and mods to deal with him, not replying to him and shitting up the thread.

[Anonymous No.20383932]

>>20383910
He has been obsessively shitposting about Sanderson since 2020. He literally posted the same image of a shredded up copy of some sanderson book like 100 times over the course of a year.

[Anonymous No.20383934]

>>20383920
Looks like someone is misusing spoilers
:)

[Anonymous No.20383936]

>>20383930
what category do you report stuff where someone is spamming seemingly ontopic replies that are blatantly being done to try and derail the thread
like this pozzed spam?

[Anonymous No.20383937]

>>20383930
He's already shitting up the thread, and no, reporting does nothing without alerting other anons. I would know, I've tried reporting him in the past and mods did nothing for over a year.

[Anonymous No.20383941]

Based jannies not listening to butthurt crybabies who don’t like their father figure criticized

[Anonymous No.20383949]

Remember that desperate anon that used filters and tried to make tutorials on how to install it to other anons? I wonder what happened to him

[Anonymous No.20383951]

>>20383592
My favorite series of all time. Well worth it, try the first 3 to see how it grabs you. Book 10 sucks dick but the ending makes up for it.

[Anonymous No.20383953]

>>20383936
Trolling or low quality. In some cases spamming, but he's not going for that tactic right now. A protip, any time you see the term "pozzed" it's 99% likely him, also likes the word "supreme". Just look in the archives for usages of the words and look at all the deleted posts. Note how often Bakker and sanderson are mentioned in these posts.

>>/lit/?ghost=yes&task=search&search_text=pozzed&offset=24

[Anonymous No.20383957]

>>20383872
>pic related
I see this in my rec on goodreads all the time. looks like an edgy power fantasy. Is there anythign redeemable about it?
T>nostalgia books
I reread the Percy Jackson books every couple of years. I still enjoy the first series a lot and i loved it as a kid.

[Anonymous No.20383964]

>>20383936
Extremely low-effort or spamming/flooding.

>>20383937
I've been reporting his posts the second he shows up and I don't respond to him, you should do the same. He's only doing this for attention, don't give it to him.

[Anonymous No.20383969]

>>20383953
lol you can actually tell when he gets bans because of the 1 or 3 day gaps in his shitposts

[Anonymous No.20383980]

>protagonist goes into a rage and awakens greater combat potential due to a comrade he was on good terms with getting injured for his sake

[Anonymous No.20383981]

>>20383957
>Is there anythign redeemable about it?
The first half of the first book is actually a pretty good coming of age story, and the actions scenes are all right as well. Also, my favorite thing about the series is a character called Vi she's an assasin as well and a prostitute on occasion, but she's surprisingly cute

[Anonymous No.20383984]

Bakker.

[Anonymous No.20383985]

>>20383981
maybe I will check it out, can never get enough fantasy books.

[Anonymous No.20384086]

The Broken Empire trilogy by Mark Lawrence

The The Fifth Season(Broken Earth) by N.K. Jemisin

Are either of these worth reading?

[Anonymous No.20384092]

>>20384086
broken empire is fun, lots of edge though

[Anonymous No.20384122]

>>20384086
Broken Empire's so edgy it's funny (this is somewhat explained in the plot later on)
The follow up trilogy to it is much better imo

Fifth Season's interesting. least at first so I'd say give it a go.
I think it ultimately fails for all sorts of reasons but it at least tries to do more than most other commercial attempts at revisionist fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20384150]

Sandy janny deleted my post because I pointed out sanderson fans are crybabies, funny how he proved my point for me

[Anonymous No.20384153]

>>20384150
all moderators are inherently pozzed

[Anonymous No.20384189]

[Anonymous No.20384192]

>>20384189
Hmmm, funny how this poster never gets banned but anyone who criticizes sanderson does

[Anonymous No.20384209]

>>20383084
all true apart from le guin.
oh, and african settings dont even get enough rep for anyone to be sick of 'em

[Anonymous No.20384211]

>>20384192
>anyone who criticizes sanderson gets banned
False. Sanderson is universally hated by most posters and by jannies. No one ever got banned for criticizing Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.20384214]

Any sff with a strong nature theme

[Anonymous No.20384218]

>>20384211
My post got deleted because I called Sanderson fans crybabies, so you’re wrong

[Anonymous No.20384219]

>>20384192
I fucking hate Sanderson but it's one thing to actually say something to shit on him and another to brainlessly and vaguely shitpost about him

[Anonymous No.20384221]

>>20384209
I can count the number of novels with afrocentric settings that I know of on one hand lol

[Anonymous No.20384223]

>>20383774

Because you like a shitty, half baked story that cant stand on it's own without being milked for like 14 progressively shittier sequels?

Starship troopers
The Forever War

Are each a drop in replacement that is capable of actually telling a complete story in a book.

[Anonymous No.20384233]

>>20384223
Starship Troopers is more of a political thesis that uses the narrative as a delivery mechanism but it's based beyond belief so I'll let it pass

[Anonymous No.20384242]

>>20383850
God this censorshit around here is getting on my nerves. I've got half a mind to rent a botnet to automatically and unseeingly re-post every deleted post.

[Anonymous No.20384243]

>>20384221
any of 'em good? i'd be interested in getting into some decent nig-core.
African/african-american mythology goes extremely hard. it'd be cool to see some scifi/fantasy tales based off of it.

[Anonymous No.20384252]

>>20384242
>I've got half a mind to rent a botnet to automatically and unseeingly re-post every deleted post.
Dangerously based

[Anonymous No.20384266]

>>20384243
>any of 'em good? i'd be interested in getting into some decent nig-core. African/african-american mythology goes extremely hard. it'd be cool to see some scifi/fantasy tales based off of it.

[Anonymous No.20384301]

>>20384243
>>20384252
Supremely based

[Anonymous No.20384317]

>>20383362
Vance taught me that the muse is 100% a real thing.

[Anonymous No.20384359]

>>20383063
I bought this based off of your (I believe) recommendation from a previous thread. I also bought Between Two Fires. Do you have any more horror/scifi/fantasy recommendations?

[Anonymous No.20384375]

>>20383136
I kind of sperged out and bought all of Gene Wolfe's novels after reading like 100 pages of Shadow of the Torturer. I immediately knew he'd be my favorite author. I don't regret it but I'm not sure where to start after I finish his 12 book sun cycle. I heard Peace was good. His Wizard Knight duology looks good too.

[Anonymous No.20384382]

>>20384214
The Lathe of Heaven kinda..

[Anonymous No.20384392]

>>20384375
I'm sure those are great, I haven't gotten around to them yet, I can recommend Latro in the Mist (the first two of that series from the 80s) and There Are Doors. And Home Fires too, I think Home Fires is underrated, it's more mundane scifi compared to his other novels but it has a very disturbing plot in an understated way.

[Anonymous No.20384398]

>>20384359
Did you buy the physical book for Slewfoot? because the art inside looks so good, the Kindle version still have the art but its not colored I think. Between Two Fires looks interesting, I will probably check it out.

[Anonymous No.20384411]

>>20384392
>I think Home Fires is underrated
Maybe I'll read that soon then. I got a nice limited signature edition of Home Fires. It's pretty crazy that you can get signed first editions of some of his novels for like $40 - $50, considering that he recently passed away.

>>20384398
>Did you buy the physical book for Slewfoot?
Yeah I did. Someone was selling a like new copy on amazon for like $11 so I picked it up. It's a remainder but it's still a nice copy. I flipped through it and the illustrations are nice.

[Anonymous No.20384415]

>>20384214
The Word for World is Forest

[Anonymous No.20384447]

>>20383929
I didn't know there was a second one, but I assumed straight off the bat that it was an April Fools chapter but still meant to be canon
Plus, you can't discount the regular mentions of implied sex and regular romance because of that

[Anonymous No.20384474]

>>20384411
>It's pretty crazy that you can get signed first editions of some of his novels for like $40 - $50, considering that he recently passed away.
That's more than I have to spend if I was trying to buy all his novels, but you know what I'll keep an eye out, it would be nice to have something with his signature. I recently bought a lot of 4 cause I couldn't resist saving on the shipping costs, I always get it in the ass on those from Ebay. They were book club editions but still, all of them aren't currently available in hardcover.
Seems like the expensive ones are first editions of his early novels, like Peace, New Sun, I've seen those listed for hundreds or even over 1000 dollars. Newer onces like Home Fires don't have those special edition, at least not Home Fires, I think I saw Land Across with a really interesting cover.
As far as what to read I've been enjoying switching back and forth between his early and later novels.

[Anonymous No.20384487]

>>20384411
>for like $11
Nice, yeah the illustrations are nice, I like his style.

[Anonymous No.20384491]

>>20384317
what do you mean?

[Anonymous No.20384499]

>>20383362
>continues the investigations of cool cat Glawen Clattuc
>until a third of the way through when it switches to a w*man's perspective for the rest of the book

[Anonymous No.20384511]

Was there ever a chart for Japanese translated light novels, I know they are not good at all, but for example, the monogatari series, boogiepop, durarara, those could be in a chart of worth reading if you are looking for those kind of books.

[Anonymous No.20384526]

>>20383726
I don’t know if I’d call it sci-if or fantasy but it’s really good.

[Anonymous No.20384528]

>>20384511
Idk about those ones, but I read Kino’s Journey and it was excellent. Unfortunately only the first series got officially translated but the others are online.

[Anonymous No.20384564]

>>20384491
Because his work vacillates between 2.5 / 10 and Greek tragedy. Often in the same year.

[Anonymous No.20384577]

>>20384528
>Unfortunately only the first series got officially translated but the others are online.
And the first book is also no longer in print and is fairly expensive to buy. I own a copy, goes for like $60 now on most places.

[Anonymous No.20384586]

>>20384528
is that the one where the mc travels to various countries with different laws like the one where murder is legal?

[Anonymous No.20384588]

>>20384086
Broken Empire is, as other's mentioned, very edgy, at least to start with. It's Mark Lawrence's first trilogy, and his weakest. I've enjoyed everything after it a lot more. Red Queen's War is a pretty funny series, and not unintentionally funny the way Broken Empire was due to the edgy teenage protagonist, but with really fun comedic writing. The series he wrote after it, the Book of the Ancestor (trilogy) and Book of the Ice (trilogy), have more of a YA vibe, with the sex and violence turned way way down compared to Broken Empire and RQW.

Lawrence's thing is, and this is a spoiler for a twist to literally everything he writes if you care about that: far future fantasy, all "Magic" is sufficiently advanced science. BE and RQR are post-apoc Earth and it becomes pretty obvious before book 1 is over, the others are set on a distance world colonized by humans, with the surviving colonists having devolved into tribal societies that have evolved into separate subspecies.

[Anonymous No.20384593]

>>20384586
Yes. Written by a gun otaku, too. Has a manga and two anime adaptations.

[Anonymous No.20384626]

>>20384588
Isn't Mark Lawrence that guy who always uses a generic edgy asassin girl as a protagonist? In wvery single series?

[Anonymous No.20384632]

Has anybody ITT read Star Kings by Vance?

[Anonymous No.20384648]

>>20384632
Me, one of his better series

[Anonymous No.20384667]

Can anyone recommend good Epub reader that lets you copy text? I use text to speech a lot and it be nice to be able to quickly copypaste text.

[Anonymous No.20384676]

>>20383529
I've been catching up Stormlight lately, currently in Oathbreaker. It's pretty good.

[Anonymous No.20384682]

>>20384676
HARAM ALERT
There are gays in the book
HARAM ALERT

[Anonymous No.20384732]

I've heard Bakker and Erikson are similar in tone, prose and general themes. I love Bakker's Second Apocalypse novels but haven't touched Malazan. Can somebody give me the QRD on Erikson for me, a Bakker fan?

[Anonymous No.20384736]

How should fantasy writers reveal lore to the reader? I’m guessing a lot of bad writers will info dump or “write their way” into the book instead of making it seem entertaining, interesting, and natural for the reader.

[Anonymous No.20384743]

>>20384736
The easiest way is to have it explained to a character who represents the reader and/or simply doesn't know what most others in the story know.

[Anonymous No.20384745]

>>20384743
Can’t that be too expository?

[Anonymous No.20384747]

>>20384736
i enjoy it when lore is discussed as if everyone already knows what's going on and i have to piece it together

[Anonymous No.20384767]

>>20384736
I actually don't mind info dumps when the world building is good and the dump is on relevant point, even if it's not woven into dialogue but trough simple description. I think the bigger issue is when it's done inorganically, meaning when author decides to infodump something that has little to no relevance to the circumstances characters are in and instead is just author writing out his world to show reader what they've come up with regardless of the effect it has on the story in the present or relevant future. Also sometimes authors go overboard when describing something, so it's good to break up your lore and worldubilding a bit to prevent the story from coming to a halt and to let the reader process what you've provided so far while the story continues.

[Anonymous No.20384768]

Thoughts on this? I’m on the 3rd book and while it can be slow at time, I kinda of like it.

[Anonymous No.20384821]

>thoughts on the most popular novel and author in the general
Lurk more newfaggot

[Anonymous No.20384837]

>>20384821
No clue you guys liked it so much. I haven’t been on this thread for over a year, but it did seem like it was possible you all might like it

[Anonymous No.20384855]

>>20384736
Read Tolkien

[Anonymous No.20384859]

>>20384821
Also he killed of little severian? I guess we can’t have nice things here.

[Anonymous No.20384864]

>>20383084
Extremely based except for le guin

[Anonymous No.20384886]

>>20384859
dumb esl

[Anonymous No.20384936]

>>20384626
No? Only his last two trilogies had fairly young female protagonists, and neither of them were assassins. One was a militant nun, the other was a tribal girl who turned out to be some kind of wizard. Both were far less edgy than his first protagonist, who was a teenage boy.

[Anonymous No.20384998]

>>20384736
>the Tolkien route
Explain relevant information when the characters encounter it, but this constitutes maybe 5% of your legendarium and they have to read appendices and posthumously published stories and notes to understand the other 95%.

>the Steven Erikson route
Exposition is frighteningly scarce and it takes several door stopper volumes for readers to piece together even basic information from terse conversations and brief bits of description. Whenever things start feeling too coherent drop another couple revelations on them to make them question everything they thought they knew.

>the Frank Herbert route
Front load your book with heavy, technical exposition delivered through simple framing narratives. Don't be shy about dropping whole paragraphs into the middle of scenes as needed later on, either. Anybody who surmounted the wall to wall exposition at the start clearly has an appetite for more.

>the Sanderson method
Everything must have an intricate, logical system, and it follows that every act of magic has an accompanying technical explanation for how it works. The reader should never be left in a state of confusion or suspense when it comes to the otherworldly or unusual parts of your books. The paragraphs of exposition you slot in after every new development are like helpful tooltips in a video game that cannot be turned off. Even if you've already read them before!

[Anonymous No.20385007]

>>20384998
good post

[Anonymous No.20385015]

>>20384998
>Anybody who surmounted the wall to wall exposition at the start clearly has an appetite for more
kek

[Anonymous No.20385029]

So I have three benchmarks for epic fantasy writers being the only authors I've read 1000+ pages of
The first is Tolkien, the second is George RR Martin and the third is Raymond E Feist
Which author does Robert Jordan most closely fit in with?

[Anonymous No.20385045]

Sharnt be replying to GRRMfags

[Anonymous No.20385067]

>>20383932
Pretty based though, fuck sanderson

[Anonymous No.20385071]

>>20384189
This shit is garbage

[Anonymous No.20385073]

>>20385029
Jordan was strongly influenced by Tolkien, and has some obvious parallels in his story to LotR, especially the first book. In overall story, like LotR, the Wheel of Time is a single, continuous narrative that follows the same protagonist from start to finish. It's not like Feist, where despite sharing a setting, and some characters, the stories are broken up into discrete sagas sometimes decades apart from one another. It's broken into chapters, each of which usually follow a certain character (or group of characters), but unlike GRRM these chapters aren't strictly delineated by PoV nor is the number of PoVs as limited, rather, it continuously expands. This is a quality of Jordan's which makes him very different from any of the three named authors, who have a fairly limited set of characters the story focuses on.

[Anonymous No.20385089]

>>20385029
He was heavily influenced by Tolkien. No in the sense that all fantasy is, but in the sense that he actually intentionally used a lot of the ideas Tolkien did. In an interview before his death, when asked about the similarities between how LotR starts and WoT starts, he stated that he wanted to take a similar premise, setting out from the idealized rural village, but arrive at a totally different conclusion, diverging more and more from the Tolkienesque as the series went on. He was also very obviously influenced by a bunch of 80's anime.

[Anonymous No.20385100]

Where do I start with Wheel of Time? The prequel of the first book?

[Anonymous No.20385101]

>>20385100
With the first book.

[Anonymous No.20385113]

>>20385101
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.20385115]

>>20385100
Prequel is entirely optional, but if you do want to read it, do so after the first book. It reads much better if you know who the characters are already than if it is your first introduction to them.

[Anonymous No.20385165]

>>20384632
If you mean Demon Princes then yeah it absolutely rips
10/10 best ever take on monte cristo but genre fic

[Anonymous No.20385170]

>>20385029
Feist
Because it's relatively generic simple english american fantasy that's all about fate and destiny
He's obviously a tolkein fan but it reads way similar to feist than the other two

[Anonymous No.20385187]

>>20385170
His story is nothing like Feist. Why would you mislead him like this?

[Anonymous No.20385207]

>>20385071
RI is based.

[Anonymous No.20385228]

Just read the Foundation trilogy, after having read only the first novel back in high school. Boy those are some fun mysteries, with some great humor. I'm impressed with the wisdom Asimov was able to give his characters despite writing these stories at quite a young age.

[Anonymous No.20385257]

>>20385228
if you haven't read the robot novels, read them now
then read the extended foundation novels
finally the foundation prequel novels

[Anonymous No.20385270]

jolenta's boobs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvzemQPAIIo

[Anonymous No.20385284]

>Reading Gaunt's Ghosts after some years
>Oh cool this Pater Sin is a nice villain
>Oh a chaos fleet is coming, neat
>Wow I bet they're going to have to go into some guerrilla action on the planet since there's no way they're getting back in time
>Oh Lugo is really just a Daffy Duck type incompetent huh
I press this button and the entire enemy force dies and the Chaos Fleet gets pushed back despite being weeks away

Not bothering with Abnett anymore, he even fucked up Eisenhorn/Ravenor with Bequin

[Anonymous No.20385300]

>>20384998
don't forget

>The R. Scott Bakker route

Wrap the entire thousandfold upon thousandfold page narrative around a chicken and the egg problem and have the overarching ancient evil awakens exposition fed to reader via dreams the main character has every 500 pages. Unwrap the plotline by arranging a mass suicide.

[Anonymous No.20385318]

What are some books about hunting monsters? And I mean actually about it. Not beginning with it then getting derailed by some bullshit chosen one nonsense, or using it as window dressing and not actually being about hunting monsters at all. I want a book that is actually about hunting monsters.

[Anonymous No.20385325]

>>20385318
Black Leviathan
wot if moby dick was a dragon

[Anonymous No.20385336]

>>20383035
Just got the Oxford Classics version of Adventures of Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass. Is that a good edition? Also, what do you think about Carroll's mix of nonsense poetry, logic, and the fantastical?

[Anonymous No.20385364]

>>20383860
What volume does this happen in assuming you aren't memeing?

[Anonymous No.20385378]

I don't like to read stories with powerful women bitching around and being leaders. I know my friends would hate me if I tell this secret to them so I pretend to like things I don't enjoy to not be cancelled.

[Anonymous No.20385381]

>>20385364
they're taking the piss
there is a rape threat from a goblin in like chapter 3 but she fights it off

[Anonymous No.20385394]

>>20385378
Have sex and this problem will solve itself.

[Anonymous No.20385398]

>>20385378
Same
I also don't like seeing hierarchy challenged or powerful men humbled and humiliated

[Anonymous No.20385401]

>>20385378
Just read ayn rand

[Anonymous No.20385415]

>>20385381
I figured but this story is like 12 million words or some shit so the possibility for the plot to go on insane tangets is limitless.

[Anonymous No.20385424]

>>20383860
>MC getting repeatedly abused and raped until they develope stockholm syndrome/fall in love with their rapist/abuser
Sounds like Wizard's First Rule

[Anonymous No.20385448]

>>20385378
>>20385398
>when you take the memes too seriously

[Anonymous No.20385459]

>read red rising
>it's all about class warfare
>basically crypto communist power wank
>protagonist's personal emblem is even a sickle
In hindsight the title 'Red Rising' really should've tipped me off beforehand.

[Anonymous No.20385465]

>>20385448
I've been this way ever since I was a kid, there's no political ideology here

[Anonymous No.20385469]

>>20385378
>>20385398
Grow a spine and make actual friends who won't ostracize you for not paying lipservice to their cult

[Anonymous No.20385476]

>>20384499
Araminta Station was fantastic, but the series falls off a cliff with the next book.

[Anonymous No.20385477]

>>20384676
I have to wonder why so many people keep calling it Oathbreaker when it's Oathbringer. Is it just people thinking Oathbreaker makes more sense because that's a more common term?

[Anonymous No.20385484]

>>20385378
Because women just aren't good leaders

[Anonymous No.20385488]

>>20385465
Sounds like you have an inferiority complex over women anon.

Tell me about your mother.

[Anonymous No.20385492]

>>20384998
I think I'm going to steal this.

[Anonymous No.20385500]

>>20384998
The best way is what Alfred Bester did where he just explained the scifi concept in the prologue and then wrote the story without explaining anything else

[Anonymous No.20385540]

>>20383529
nobody fucking cares

[Anonymous No.20385557]

>>20385540
No need to be rude, what did that guy ever do to you?

[Anonymous No.20385587]

Any good Viking Fantasy?

[Anonymous No.20385593]

>>20385587
No

[Anonymous No.20385596]

>>20385587
ASoIaF, ironborn chapters.

[Anonymous No.20385609]

>>20385596
>muh cock
>muh sister
>muh horn
>muh ships

[Anonymous No.20385614]

>>20385587
The Long Ships/Red Orm for hist fic, amazing
Half Drowned King for newer and weaker hist fic
The Black Coast by Mike Brooks is fantasy where Viking types flee to europe and try to actually settle. Then the draugr they fled from chases (also has non-viking povs)
Not read:
The Last Light of the Sun but it's GGK so it's probably good
The Whale Road (think I'll try this one soon)
The Last Kingdom
Also Vinland Saga's worth it even if it is manga
And the Eddas + Egil's Saga are all readable

[Anonymous No.20385620]

>>20385596
Theon's such an annoying POV that I stopped reading because of him

[Anonymous No.20385623]

>>20385620
before or after he was tortured into becoming a disfigured paranoid cave gremlin?

[Anonymous No.20385630]

>>20385623
Before
It was one of his first chapters in the second book that did me in.
All of his preconceptions about coming back home are obviously wrong but Martin makes you read him put his foot in his mouth for what feels like forever.

[Anonymous No.20385640]

>>20385630
Ironically, the chapters of buck broken Theon trapped in spooky half-destroyed Winterfell as he bears witness to mysterious serial killings are among the series' best.

[Anonymous No.20385651]

>>20385557
Mentioned Sanderson

[Anonymous No.20385661]

>>20385640
Martin's like Robin Hobb, I know he's gonna pay off all of the insufferable "character is making obvious mistakes and being punished for them" chapters later on but you've still gotta force yourself through them to get there.

[Anonymous No.20385693]

>>20385661
Sorry you feel that way. I don't find those chapters insufferable at all, Cersie chapters are among my favorite in all of asoif because of all the stupid shit she does.

[Anonymous No.20385724]

>>20385630
You're not supposed to show Theon sympathy in ASOIAF pre-bolton. He is completely selfish and only cares about himself. Extremely unlikable.

[Anonymous No.20385889]

>>20385587
The Broken Sword

[Anonymous No.20385894]

Anons, give me recommendations for good books with Dragons. I'd prefer Dragons having prominent roles and being characters, but I'll take the ones with lesser Draconic screen-time as well.

[Anonymous No.20385905]

>>20385894
Vainqueur the Dragon is about a dragon who encounters an isekai LitRPG protagonist and goes "holy fuck that's how this world works?" and just tries to become an adventurer because he may as well get paid for hunting.

[Anonymous No.20385934]

>>20385894
I've been told that Temeraire is basically Master and Commander except with dragons

[Anonymous No.20385962]

>>20385905
>>20385934
I read Vainqueur the Dragon, not bad, one of the better Webnovels and LitRPGs. Temeraire I hated, I dropped the series around the Japan arc, it was boring as hell and I felt like falling asleep all the time. Idk why it's so popular. I also read The Wandering Inn, and that webnovel is an ideal for how to treat Dragon characters.

Anyway, more recommendations please!

[Anonymous No.20385967]

>>20385894
I'm reading a series by Mercedes Lackey called "The Obsidian Trilogy" and in the second book a giant Paarthunax style dragon becomes a main character

[Anonymous No.20385977]

>>20385962
What's a good "how to treat dragon characters" ideal, exactly?

[Anonymous No.20385996]

>>20385967
>I'm reading a series by Mercedes Lackey called "The Obsidian Trilogy" and in the second book a giant Paarthunax style dragon becomes a main character
Thanks, but I am familiar with M. Lackey other series, not exactly up to my tastes. But thanks for solid recommendation! (by the way, I can take Wyrms and other mythical draconic creatures as well!)

Guys, trying to find books with dragons is a nightmare especially, all I'm getting is Dragon Shifter porn for women, entire shit tons of that into my search results. The degeneracy of women has no bounds, I just want to read about fucking Dragons ffs

[Anonymous No.20386008]

>>20385977
>What's a good "how to treat dragon characters" ideal, exactly?
Dragons presented as legendary, downright mythical beings, with appropriate behaviours and personalities, full of arrogance and superiority, but also capable of kindness and benevolence. For years I haven't seen as good Dragons as in The Wandering Inn, but to be fair that's good, as most webnovel authors should get thrown into dragon maws anyway.

[Anonymous No.20386009]

>>20385996
>That fucking cover
I'm pretty sure that's just a Rathalos in the background.

[Anonymous No.20386014]

>>20386008
Makes sense. I don't know many series about dragons, admittedly, they tend to mostly be reserved for similar roles to the wise old man types, being big important things that the protagonists just meet a couple times.

[Anonymous No.20386122]

>>20385996
This looks fucking terrible, like it is only read by lapers and self inserter.

[Anonymous No.20386189]

>>20384223
>The Forever War
dude gay space elves LMAO

[Anonymous No.20386244]

>>20385378
This is why I can't take reading any of the "based" writers published by Baen.

[Anonymous No.20386249]

>>20385318
The Maneaters of Tsavo
White Hunters

[Anonymous No.20386251]

>>20385996

[Anonymous No.20386264]

>>20384998
>the Frank Herbert route
>Front load your book with heavy, technical exposition delivered through simple framing narratives. Don't be shy about dropping whole paragraphs into the middle of scenes as needed later on, either. Anybody who surmounted the wall to wall exposition at the start clearly has an appetite for more.
This isn't fair description. Herbert's exposition is well-handled. He sums up the complex political machinations in about three sentences on page 2.

Exposition also isn't bad when it's actually interesting.

[Anonymous No.20386270]

>>20384667
Moon+ reader pro has text to speech

[Anonymous No.20386274]

>>20384632
I read the first one. Its one of my least favorite. Planet of Adventure is superior if that's the kind of thing you want.

[Anonymous No.20386367]

>>20385894
Wheel of Time is about a Dragon

[Anonymous No.20386431]

Okay Anons, I found one interesting book with Dragon as the protagonist: Nice Dragons Finish Last. How could see this title and not read it? I will give my impressions later.

[Anonymous No.20386435]

>>20386431
>urban fantasy
Nope

[Anonymous No.20386467]

>>20384632
Yes, it's good but not the best in the series, read all the Demon Princes books you won’t regret it.

[Anonymous No.20386473]

>>20383362
My favourite thing about Vance is how half his books are promoted like action! Sci-fi! ooh-aah! but then we just get space haggling and I FUCKING LOVE IT.

[Anonymous No.20386579]

Should I?
Why not?

[Anonymous No.20386643]

>>20386579
Yes, it is actually pretty good.
Deals with the many worlds theory, it doesn't go to deep into the science though, it's more action focused.

If you like it check out The Gone World as well.

[Anonymous No.20386645]

>>20386473
I like Vance because his heroes usually solve their problems in creative and interesting ways, instead of just having yet another boring blow-by-blow fight scene like most sff heroes.

[Anonymous No.20386767]

>>20383369
The wind singer maybe ?

[Anonymous No.20386807]

>>20383592
I'm about 10 books in and it's a 7/10 so far. I like the main character and conflict well enough, but the author's portrayal of women and gender dynamics is one of the most grating things I've read in any book.

[Anonymous No.20386840]

>>20386767
Love you, anon.

[Anonymous No.20386861]

>>20383084
There's not a single book left anon

[Anonymous No.20386891]

>>20383035
Hey anons , don't come here often because it'd been said this place is full of entitled pricks, but today is the day i guess.

If you had to chose one fantasy book as the best of all time, which one would it be, there's a caveat tho. it needs to be self contained, not part of a serie of books.

[Anonymous No.20386914]

>>20386891
Your caveat is stupid, and my answer is Reaper Man.

[Anonymous No.20386916]

>>20386891
library at mount char

[Anonymous No.20386921]

>>20385905
>Vainqueer
sounds pretty gay

[Anonymous No.20386963]

>>20386914
At least i'm glad i used that correctly, I'm french and trying to expand my vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.20386970]

>>20383169
>this many names used this many times so close together
Yikes. Even ignoring the gay shit this is awful

[Anonymous No.20386971]

>>20385894
Blue Mage Raised by Dragons.

[Anonymous No.20387012]

>>20386807
The portrayal of women is on point, which is what makes it so grating.

[Anonymous No.20387023]

Started reading pic related today, I'm about 10% in, and I have no idea what's going on

[Anonymous No.20387025]

>>20383169
>"Storms" instead of "Hell"
I know it's supposed to be flavour, but it just sounds silly. Even moreso when the conceit is supposed to be that all they say was translated into English by Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.20387033]

The third book for the Obsidian Path Book series just came out a few days ago did anyone check it out?

[Anonymous No.20387038]

>>20386971
>Blue Mage Raised by Dragons.
Is this bait? I've heard only horrible things about that story. Like, it's being hated on everywhere. Ain't touching it.

[Anonymous No.20387051]

>>20387025
There's a few words that are deliberately 'not translated', as it were, for flavour reasons basically. And "Storm" is sort of used as an all-purpose swear word (storming = fucking, storms = hell/shit), etc.

[Anonymous No.20387060]

>>20383169
seriously, does he not have editors? how does stuff like this make into the final version of the book?

[Anonymous No.20387076]

I can't believe the schlock some of you people read, there's no way
I cannot bring myself to finish a shitty book
>>20386431
>>20384676
>>20384189
>>20383872
>>20383794
>>20383529
>>20383450
>>20383169

[Anonymous No.20387082]

>>20387076
Do you like anything?

[Anonymous No.20387102]

>>20387076
Post something good then

[Anonymous No.20387125]

>>20387102

[Anonymous No.20387134]

>>20387038
>why yes, I will read wandering shit inn "such a nice dragon story"
>what's that? Blue mage raised by dragons? I heard it's shit, not touching
Just neck yourself and don't ask for recs then, fagget.

[Anonymous No.20387142]

>>20387125
>it's the jack vance faggot

[Anonymous No.20387157]

>>20387142
Ok then here, I think you won't like whatever I post because I made you seethe

[Anonymous No.20387181]

>>20385894
>>20386008
Robin Hobb's The realm of the elderlings series. It's absolutely fucking long and dragons do not show up until well into it but the whole thing is so amazing. the setting is GoT with less edgy shit and with a bit more fantasy, with mages being a thing but being born rather than made and still there are very few and not into flashy magic
i would like to write more about it but that would be actual spoilers

[Anonymous No.20387203]

>>20387181
>Robin Hobb's The realm of the elderlings series. It's absolutely fucking long and dragons do not show up until well into it but the whole thing is so amazing. the setting is GoT with less edgy shit and with a bit more fantasy, with mages being a thing but being born rather than made and still there are very few and not into flashy magic
>i would like to write more about it but that would be actual spoilers

Is the elderling series in the same universe as the Assassin series? I read two trilogies about the assassin bastard and one about the weird living ships with pedophilia, is this the same universe? Also, is it before or after the trilogies events on the timeline?

[Anonymous No.20387209]

>>20387181
>Robin Hobb's
I hope you like misery porn, anon.

[Anonymous No.20387218]

>>20387125
Based and vancepilled

Vance and Wolfe ruined most other sff for me. Who else rises to their level?

[Anonymous No.20387219]

>>20385587
There's a lot of vikings in Stephen Lawhead's Byzantium. Trigger warning: contains Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20387293]

>>20387203
yeah that one. order is
-Assasin apprentice trilogy
-weird living ships
-yet another assasin bastard trilogy
-four books with dragons and shit
-third assasin trilogy and end of the series

dragons in these novels are incredible. the world building around them is great and actually original while respecting dragons as an archetype

[Anonymous No.20387395]

>>20386861
yes there is so

[Anonymous No.20387408]

>>20387012
Neither women or the way they interact with men is portrayed realistically. Nearly every woman in the book behaves like a caricature diva and every male character's reaction to it is to either quake in their boots or be all stoic and tactical about it. If it was just one or a few characters/relationships that were like this it would believable, but every one of them is molded in the same spirit to one degree or another. There's precious little nuance to it

[Anonymous No.20387485]

>>20387408
*sniffs contemptuously*

[Anonymous No.20387488]

>>20387181
Is that the series with the sunlight powered exponential skeleton wizards? Or am I thinking of one of the other 50,000 assassin trilogies with a picture of a dude in a hooded cloak on the cover?

[Anonymous No.20387501]

>>20387051
No shit. Are you little slow in the head?

[Anonymous No.20387519]

>>20387051
It always feels silly to me when books use made up swear words. Makes it feel like a kids' show that has to stay family friendly.

[Anonymous No.20387523]

>>20385962
>Temeraire I hated, I dropped the series around the Japan arc, it was boring as hell and I felt like falling asleep all the time.
So you dropped the series on book 8 of 9? Weird post but you're not entirely wrong, I like Temeraire but there are some boring bits in the middle, and the last few books are abysmal, shitty amnesia plot in Japan and then hamfisted civil rights conclusion. 1-3 are good though.

[Anonymous No.20387545]

what are some books were a hot spy seduces some idiot for information

[Anonymous No.20387558]

>>20387519
Fits Sandersoy pretty well then

[Anonymous No.20387576]

>>20387519
It's a strong point for chinkshit. Even the worst quality ones have excellent insults.

[Anonymous No.20387661]

Any good post-apocalyptic space sci-fi? Can't seem to find any in the charts.

[Anonymous No.20387675]

>>20387661
Jack Vance has some good stuff.

[Anonymous No.20387687]

>>20387675
Thanks

[Anonymous No.20387754]

>>20383035
Who is the modern day Lin Carter/Karl Edward Wagner/Robert Adams?

[Anonymous No.20387807]

What makes a believable alien in sci-fi for you?

[Anonymous No.20387858]

>>20387807
No such thing, but a well written alien is a microcosm of the story. Just like the technology is "but what if" the aliens have biology that's "but what if?".
You goal as the writer is to speculate about how a being with different "rules" would function.
What if it reproduces asexually? What if it's immortal? What if it's a colony superorganism? What if it eats electric charge and breaths radio waves?

In the end it's just a reflection of your thoughts on humanity. Some changes are meaningless (what if they were blue?), some changes are seemingly minor but cause drastic changes that render them near totally incomprehensible (what if they can only sense the color blue?).
What matters is that you try as hard as possible to portray them accurately to your understanding.

[Anonymous No.20387866]

>>20387807
>>20387858
In other words: It's as believable to the reader as it is to the author.

Of course it's also affected by how much the author knows and how much the reader agrees with the author.
It's obviously quite common for entirely human characters to be completely unbelievable and stupidly written.

[Anonymous No.20387913]

>>20387807
A sexy humanoid that craves human cock

[Anonymous No.20387936]

What are some defining traits of "dark fantast"? How would you differentiate it from grimdark/low fantasy?

[Anonymous No.20387973]

>>20387936
I'd say "dark fantasy" mostly means "it's a normal fantasy setting but everyone is DARK and EDGY" It's not grimdark because no one gives a fuck in the first place.
Like all the characters are vampires, and logically the world would be horrible for a normal human but no one gives a fuck and it's never brought up or mentioned.
Also contains lots of urban fantasy, maybe it's kinda like the "punk" of fantasy, where everything is just kinda grungy and unpleasant.

[Anonymous No.20387975]

>>20387936
Dark fantasy describes a setting that is about as miserable to live in as the worst parts of the actual world. Grimdark takes the misery to absurd levels, the setting is even even more miserable than the worst periods of human history.

[Anonymous No.20387976]

>>20387936
One has vivid descriptions of curved phalluses spurting black seed and the other doesn't.

[Anonymous No.20387996]

>>20387975
I think grimdark and dark fantasy are about the same, only grimdark is getting WORSE over time.
Like the reason 40K is grimdark isn't all the billions of people mutilated into semi-sentient lobotomized servitor drones, it's the fact that in addition to that there's also a war with hell, and we're losing, and also a war with the tryanids, that we're ALSO losing, and the emporer is barely holding things together, but he's DEAD and falling apart.

Dark fantasy is the present, grimdark is the future.

[Anonymous No.20387999]

>>20387936
Low fantasy doesn't have magic, or at least minimal magic. Dark fantasy may potentially have a bunch of magic, but things are edgy.
Grimdark is just a potential tone of the story.

[Anonymous No.20388013]

>>20387936
I disagree with all those other anons. I've always considered the term "Dark Fantasy" to mean fantasy involving horror or gothic elements.

[Anonymous No.20388093]

>>20388013
I wouldn't consider Gormenghast Dark Fantasy even though it's gothic as hell and has horror.

[Anonymous No.20388094]

goodreads new beta layout is fucking cancer.

[Anonymous No.20388095]

I don't think "Dark Fantasy" necessarily needs to veer towards grimdark. In fact I don't think it even needs to be depressing, I believe it's more of an "aesthetic", though in the sense of literature this would be more a matter of tone. For example, Tim Burton movies are often considered "dark", even though they're almost all uniformly uplifting and positive, at least in a bittersweet fashion.

Grimdark however is usually edgy purely for the sake of shock value or absurdism. It tends to try really hard to be as awful as possible on purpose to the degree where there isn't any point in reading it at all because its a foregone conclusion that the protagonist's journey is futile and fruitless and only going to make everything worse.

[Anonymous No.20388103]

>>20388093
Perhaps "gothic" was not the right word. I was thinking more stuff like Dracula which, I suppose, would fall under horror as well.

[Anonymous No.20388119]

>>20387545
please I'm horny and lonely

[Anonymous No.20388133]

>>20388119
fuck.. how is she so thicc?

[Anonymous No.20388141]

>>20385894
the series Dragons of Requiem is about people who turn into dragons. I can't vouch for its quality though, I haven't read it

[Anonymous No.20388145]

>>20388119
all of these designs are kino

[Anonymous No.20388157]

>>20387545
Not a book but in the Witcher 2 there's a spy (female) who was fucking a sorceress for information.

[Anonymous No.20388165]

>>20383167
Is this just Stormlight Archive?

[Anonymous No.20388166]

>>20383035
What are some fantasy novels that focus more on war between kingdoms than defeating an existential evil?

[Anonymous No.20388170]

>>20388166
Literally every generic fantasy, you fucking retarded bot

[Anonymous No.20388176]

>>20388170
Glad to know I wasn't the only one who notice the Bot.

[Anonymous No.20388183]

>>20388170
>>20388176
Take your meds shizo freaks

[Anonymous No.20388188]

>>20383583
>Roy Dotrice reading the sexy bits in a female voice
Dear God that shit was uncomfortable as hell.

[Anonymous No.20388202]

>>20388166
Use a search engine to find your answer.

[Anonymous No.20388204]

>>20383035

>Reposting from /trash/ of all places where an Anon is blogging Wings of fire for the scalies.
Obvious spoilers ahead, so people planning on reading it or whatever: Don't read this post. I have rather enjoyed it blind.

So, I've given it a listen as I go through my work, got a little over 3 hours in to the first book.
First off, I'll say, I'm not too much a fan of the voice over they gave this. Little too "disney" for my tastes, considering the rather grim aspect to a lot of this.
I am, either way, debating just reading physical copies whenever I've got the chance as a result. It's not terrible, but it's enough that I feel like I'm missing some of the emotional impact.
It's up in the air, but I might not update this much if I do.

Going in to it at the start, I was a bit shocked, to be sure. There's a little bit of cheesiness to it, in terms of villainous monologues, which I think might've got me into a different expectation when it came down to it.
Sure, I expected gore, but damn, starting out with infanticide? That's rare as fuck.
Here I was assuming the egg'd survive, be raised alone by some unsuspecting group, and we'd have the hero's tale.
Instead, we had the BBEG chuck an egg off a cliff, killing one of the star-destined protagonists right off the gate, to which our group of legend-makers say "Shit, let's go capture a different kid then", and make do with a sudden replacement from a completely different tribe than their prophecy dictated.

That last part brings me to another observation some;
Every single adult dragon we meet, at least so far a good third the way through, is an asshole.
Your factions are murderous queens, kidnapping baby torturers, and oddly seductive murderous queens.
Might be the voice actor, but Scarlet got a rather poignant portrayal.
Still a massive asshole, but I at least enjoyed her 'screentime' so to speak.

So far, my favourite character's been Tsunami.
Definitely has a nice style to her, and I appreciate her retention of more 'dragony' character.

1/2:

[Anonymous No.20388211]

>>20388204
Just use ctrl+s to hide spoilers.

[Anonymous No.20388212]

>>20388204
>tfw /trash/'s /trash/

[Anonymous No.20388217]

>>20388204
On the subject of 'dragony' character, I'm somewhat disappointed that the main cast seems largely, for lack of a better word, 'human'.
Most the adults seen thus far seem to have a fair retention of that 'dragonish' vibe, albeit at a rather cranked up cruelty level, but the main lot is a little too soft by large.
Suspect that's just the nature of this kind of novel.

I will give massive props to describing draconic beauty and features in a way which impresses even my discerning taste for such features. No emphasis on perhaps the curves, though those are briefly mentioned.

Story so far's been dull. But that's to be expected, I think. It also doesn't help that Clay's boring as all fuck, for a PoV character. Still, not a ton you can do trapped in a cave for most the stretch.
I'm hopeful the next stretch'll be more engaging. Just going by what's been said so far, it sounds like an interesting matter.

Lore seems interesting enough. I can't really comment too much because what's been explored is fairly surface level. Though I will say, even touching the wiki for this thing's a pain. Spoilers galore, right off the bat.
Knowing a bit of the human aspect from here has a little bit messed with my tastes on it, honestly, but I'm a bit soft on it. Definitely would've preferred no humans.

All in all, if I had to give it a ranking so far, it's unfortunately going to be a low 6, maybe 5 out of 10.
Not bad per say. Just not very good so far. Very, very dull MC, basic-feeling secondary cast, and an extremely dull initial setting.
Still, I'm hopeful. And despite that somewhat sloggish nature, it was actually perfect for driving as a result.
Scarlet both terrifies and arouses me. I'd say I want to be in her dungeon, but I think that'd mainly mean torture and fight pits.
2/2:

Will post more updates if the guy doing it in /trash/ posts more.

[Anonymous No.20388218]

>>20388202
Please explain to me what applicable terms I should use to find novels of my specified needs

[Anonymous No.20388221]

>>20388166
Monarchies of God

[Anonymous No.20388223]

>>20388204
>>20388217
Do you not know how to use the spoiler system?

[Anonymous No.20388227]

>>20388221
I already have the series ordered and on the way

[Anonymous No.20388234]

>>20388218
Alright, since it seems you're slow. Here, the image will help you.

[Anonymous No.20388243]

>>20388234
>going through all this effort for a troll
retards like you are why retards like them still thrive here

[Anonymous No.20388250]

>>20388243
Not him, but that anon might not be a troll, but a pretty stupid person. Wouldn’t be the first time.

[Anonymous No.20388253]

>>20388234
>>20388243
>>20388250
Obvious samefag is obvious

[Anonymous No.20388254]

>>20388204
>>20388217
ctrl+s, you moron. Learn to hide spoilers.

[Anonymous No.20388261]

>>20388188
>Diamonds reading Arianna fucking arys.
>Dianonds reading Cersie fucking Taena
>Reach those parts on the audiobooks and Roy Dotrice is mouning while reading
My dick had never been so limp. I skipped those chapters and most Daenerys chapters too because his Missande voice is literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.20388262]

>>20388243
I still think it's a bot, for the simple fact that someone not knowing how to use search engine to look up the answer to their question in this day and age is extremely depressing, not to mention underage.

[Anonymous No.20388273]

>>20385894
The Council Wars series, specifically the second book, has dragons used in military environments such as dropping bombs on ships and going underwater to fuck up orca and genetically altered fishmen. One is even a genetically altered human perma stuck in dragon form but can talk and all that. Don't read the 4th book.

[Anonymous No.20388278]

>>20385894

Wings of fire

[Anonymous No.20388286]

>>20388261
He voiced the females? Was the audio book trying to save some money or what?

[Anonymous No.20388315]

>>20388204
So it's just Warrior Cats for adult scalies.

[Anonymous No.20388316]

>>20387545
>>20388119
Go away coomer.

[Anonymous No.20388318]

Thoughts? Is this the book he added a fag character to just to insult one of his fans?

[Anonymous No.20388322]

>>20388318
No, Legend is pure kino.

[Anonymous No.20388326]

>>20388322
I’ll check it out then

[Anonymous No.20388327]

>>20388326
He’s lying to you.

[Anonymous No.20388331]

>>20388316
I promise I'm not a coomer, I've just been feeling extremely down lately and need something like that to fill the void

[Anonymous No.20388341]

>>20388327
I am not.

[Anonymous No.20388354]

>reading webnovel
>mc is dictionary definition intelligent, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humor
>super power is called Gamer
>"As expected the world's view of gamers was negative"
i cant stop laughing bros, every chapter is more of this

[Anonymous No.20388358]

>>20388327
>>20388341
Whoever gets dubs first I will listen to

[Anonymous No.20388362]

Is the show much of a departure from the books for The Witcher? I know they came up with original plots, but I heard the author doesn't mind because he respects artists doing their own thing with his material.

[Anonymous No.20388365]

>>20388358
It’s sad that you can’t decide for yourself nor form your own opinion on the matter.

[Anonymous No.20388367]

>>20388362
The witcher books are shit, so it doesn't matter. They're only famous due to the video games.

[Anonymous No.20388369]

>>20388365
Keep replying to me like the obedient dog you are

[Anonymous No.20388372]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.20388374]

>>20388372
About what?

[Anonymous No.20388376]

>>20388365
>>20388374
Samefag

[Anonymous No.20388385]

>>20388315
Same author.

[Anonymous No.20388389]

>>20388372
It's just the Anabasis in a fantasy world. Then he did Alexander the Great. It's okay I guess.
Nothing very unique about it honestly, the author jumped ship from writing his own stuff to just writing 40k novels.

[Anonymous No.20388391]

>>20388372
Is this the one where he added a trans character just to spite a fan?

[Anonymous No.20388392]

>>20388389
Thanks for the actual answer, it’s more than I usually get here

[Anonymous No.20388393]

>>20388385
hahahahaha holy fuck
I don't even need to check early life

[Anonymous No.20388409]

After reading the first review of this book I’ve already decided to buy it
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17910124-the-emperor-s-blades#

[Anonymous No.20388419]

>>20388409
Story is actually shit.

[Anonymous No.20388423]

>>20388419
Prove you’ve read it

[Anonymous No.20388425]

>>20388409
This book reminded me of Powder Mage in a bad way.

[Anonymous No.20388439]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.20388441]

Are we being raided by a bot?

[Anonymous No.20388442]

>>20388261
The way he pronounces some character names and other things gets a bit annoying too.
>bri-yEEN

[Anonymous No.20388447]

>>20388439
Oh wait never mind, it’s just shitty progression fantasy

[Anonymous No.20388461]

>>20388442
>>bri-yEEN
You’re fucking with us.

[Anonymous No.20388472]

AAAAAAAAAAA
Im sick of reading Daenerys chapters

[Anonymous No.20388491]

>>20388472
Why? She’s fun to read.

[Anonymous No.20388499]

>>20387754
>schyuler hernstorm

[Anonymous No.20388503]

>>20388472
For me it's
Tyrone>Britney>davos>ned>arya>Jamie>theon>radom prolog charcters>everyone else>>>>>dany book 5 (brown water not included)

[Anonymous No.20388506]

>>20388503
Tyrion is overrated. Never saw his appeal or why he’s popular.

[Anonymous No.20388507]

>>20388503
why does every single self-proclaimed "gritty" fantasy book have to include a long stretch of fetishistically-described diarrhea

[Anonymous No.20388518]

>>20388507
Adds realism, which is why I don’t take them seriously to begin with.

[Anonymous No.20388522]

>>20388518
I understand handling disease and physical needs and what not, but the fact that it's ALWAYS diarrhea and maybe a fishing/hunting scene or two makes it obvious tokenism, like the author only cares about qualifying his book for the gritty and realistic buzzwords

[Anonymous No.20388523]

>>20388506
>>20388503
I would like to amended my post. Tyrion goes under theon book 3 on. I liked him in book 1 and 2 because he was only pov character who seemed to look at the world realistically. Also I enjoyed his retarded sceaming in book 2.

[Anonymous No.20388525]

Any thoughts on Michael F Flynn as an author? Heard his Firestar series is great as well as the novel Eifelheim. Anyone ever read any of his stuff?

[Anonymous No.20388535]

>>20388523
I like Theon, hell, I like all the ironborn chapters and I wish Martin had done more with them. I especially like the kingsmoot

[Anonymous No.20388540]

>>20388522
Good job, anon. You just found out what gritty fantasy is all about and why it isn’t taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.20388547]

>>20388393
>I don't even need to check early life
???

[Anonymous No.20388550]

What creates a Sanderson, or a John Green? How does the Sœy author come to be?

[Anonymous No.20388556]

>>20388547
/pol/tard, just ignore him.

[Anonymous No.20388557]

>>20388507
My guess would be it's part fetish, and that it's also the one survival aspect that even people with ultra comfortable lives can relate to. Lots of people in first world countries have never gone genuinely hungry but have shit their guts out.

[Anonymous No.20388561]

>>20388507
I have luckily never encountered this

[Anonymous No.20388573]

>>20388561
What have you read?

[Anonymous No.20388592]

Any books that are similar to underrail?

[Anonymous No.20388595]

>>20388556
Cry harder

[Anonymous No.20388645]

How did Number Five know that Marsch was an abo?
What does a boat need with nine masts?
Who was the Fifth Head of Cerberus?

[Anonymous No.20388656]

>>20388592
>Any books that are similar to underrail?
Arrivals from the Dark, The Books of Ember, and World Made by Hand

[Anonymous No.20388669]

>>20388461
I'm like real dumb but I was able to figure out how to make this for you.

>>/wsg/4531097

[Anonymous No.20388672]

>>20388669
>>20388461
>>>/wsg/4531097

[Anonymous No.20388677]

>>20388669
>>20388672
Oh fuck this shit is cursed. Why does he pronounce it like that? Fuck. Couldn’t they get a female speaker?

[Anonymous No.20388683]

>>20388669
>Brain
good grief

[Anonymous No.20388688]

Can anybody recommend me something similar to Planescape: Torment?

[Anonymous No.20388689]

>>20388669
>>20388672
It's pronounced bri-enne how could he fuck it up so badly?

[Anonymous No.20388690]

>>20388688
Koror 2

[Anonymous No.20388697]

Ok, so I need your opinions on something. Would you read a book about a casino in a fantasy universe. Imagine a book about a lich brought in by a mob to run a casino and has all sorts of problems. Cheating wizards, orcs with bad losing streaks, elf whores walking around trying to steal his customers and goblins just straight up trying to pickpocket people. Halfing mobsters and making sure they get their cut while trying to keep under the radar of the local paladins. All in a magical city that is enchanted to glow for miles.
Like Casino(1995) but fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20388702]

>>20388697
>>20383763

[Anonymous No.20388704]

>>20388702
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20388708]

>>20388697
Only if it was written by jack vance because he could take your shitty idea and make it good

[Anonymous No.20388725]

>>20388702
>tell /sffg/ about idea
>they tell you to go to /wg/
>tell /wg/ about idea
>they tell you to go to /sffg/
Every time

[Anonymous No.20388726]

>>20388697
Not my cup of tea, anon. So I can't rightly judge.

[Anonymous No.20388733]

>>20388697
Yes but only as a stand alone. The novelty would wear off if the book is too long or if you write more of them. I could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.20388737]

>>20388733
Just a one shot. A small novella that wouldn't take more than a couple of hours to read/listen.

[Anonymous No.20388738]

>progression litRPG
>all the progression grinds to a halt at chapter 100 because the author only planned one kit
>next 900 chapters are just MUH NUMBERS faggotry
So many people seem to be eager to write the human to superhuman part, and then get utterly stuck on where to go from there. Meanwhile a guide already exists on how to do it called Reverend Insanity.

[Anonymous No.20388740]

>>20388737
That could be enjoyable then

[Anonymous No.20388746]

>>20388738
>litRPG
I see this all the time on here and just skip over it. can i get a tldr?

[Anonymous No.20388748]

>>20388746
Someone already told you what it was.

[Anonymous No.20388749]

>>20388738
RI shilling aside, you're pretty much right

[Anonymous No.20388773]

>>20383502
Japanese lightnovels are worse than Chinese webshits. All the MCs are pussified to the extreme and pretty much every plotline is just cliché

[Anonymous No.20388775]

>>20388738
>Meanwhile a guide already exists on how to do it called Reverend Insanity.
Yeah, and Reverend Insanity is shit.

[Anonymous No.20388784]

I want to read Reverend Insnaity because of the sheer amount of shitposting I see about it, but I have a really hard time reading lots of text on a phone/tablet and/or computer monitor. Is it possible to get the English version physically?

[Anonymous No.20388790]

>>20388784
Don't, Reverend Insanity is genuinely terrible and not worth reading.

[Anonymous No.20388796]

>>20388749
Progression is one of the things RI did well, because the opportunities were what informed Fang Yuan's progression strategy, and constantly changing semi-random opportunities means a very nonlinear path with changing strategy. It's a world of difference from some unga bunga like Zac constantly trying to get more STR/cultivation points so his utterly scaling-breaking attack power stops failing to cut boss enemies.

>>20388775
t. Bakke enthusiast

[Anonymous No.20388802]

>>20388773
t. only reads garbage isekai and romcoms

[Anonymous No.20388804]

>>20388790
>Reverend Insanity is genuinely terrible and not worth reading
It’s telling that the person who shills it can’t defend it other than the main character being shadow the hedgehog edgy.

[Anonymous No.20388807]

>>20388784
Just use a printer bro

[Anonymous No.20388811]

>>20388725
/wg is for writing advice. This thread is for talking about fantasy books. I'll be happy to talk about your book after it's published, anon. If the pseuds on /wg/ are giving you guff for not writing pretentious maudlin philosophy trash tell them to eat your asshole and keep posting fantasy questions til you mindbreak them.

[Anonymous No.20388814]

>>20388775
>>20388790
>>20388804
Stop spamming the reddit please, redditor.

[Anonymous No.20388825]

>>20388738
It’ll be better if you read western Xianxia.

[Anonymous No.20388835]

>>20388746
Tabletop RPG's are inspired by fantasy, but necessarily systematised to allow for collective play and storytelling. LitRPGs take that systematisation and bring it to fantasy as either a way to appeal to gamers, codify power levels, or to provide unique/interesting spin on it by making it part of the world. Well that's the ideal, in practice, like with (almost?) every (sub)genre most works are shit, in this case the shit one tend to be inept power fantasies that can't even handle the power fantasy, as anon above mentioned, let alone making use of it for story telling purposes.

On related note, is RI shilling the new Bakker shilling? It's been going on for a while afaik, but it seems to be getting more pronounced lately.

[Anonymous No.20388839]

>>20388825
...Is this where I step in to shill my western xianxia?

[Anonymous No.20388846]

>>20388839
No, we already know cradle is the pinnacle, try to recommend others so you won’t be annoying or obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.20388860]

>>20388839
>>20388825
>>20388804
>>20388790
>>20388784
>>20388775
The chinks are so baaad at writing that their own genres are done better by westerns, if only they could outsource talent.

[Anonymous No.20388869]

>>20388860
I'm convinced that the nature of the bugman language combined with their culture of not thinking or questioning anything makes them dogshit authors

[Anonymous No.20388872]

>>20388825
DotF is western modern cultivation and it's exactly the type of thing I'm complaining about. Westerners fall for the DBZ powerlevels meme too, then they write a bunch of side plots nobody gives a shit about because they don't know how to continue the original premise. Guy gets an entire fucking skill repository, doesn't name a single skill in it before starting the next story arc, because skills don't matter in the litRPG while muh suspense and dramatic tension do. Absolutely atrocious.

>>20388835
RI will be good no matter how hard you sperg and spam the thread telling people not to read every time it's brought up.

[Anonymous No.20388878]

>>20388872
>DotF is western modern cultivation and it's exactly the type of thing I'm complaining about. Westerners fall for the DBZ powerlevels meme too, then they write a bunch of side plots nobody gives a shit about because they don't know how to continue the original premise.
Just read beware of chicken. It’s good for what it is and doesn’t take itself seriously.

[Anonymous No.20388882]

>>20388872
>RI will be good
Yeah, and that's why people who read it who aren't shills end up hating it.

[Anonymous No.20388891]

>>20388882
That's called a pleb filter, you being mad that the protagonist is a mean person doesn't excuse throwing a tantrum over organic book discussion.

[Anonymous No.20388892]

>>20388869
I think it is more that the Chinese literary tradition was obliterated by decades of communist suppression of the arts. Entire generations grew up without any artistic freedom and only being able to read approved publications that escaped censorship. It's going to be a long time before Chinese people are producing anything good, they are struggling to rediscover their literary identity and culture.

[Anonymous No.20388895]

>>20388892
>Never read Chinese literature
It’s all the same.

[Anonymous No.20388904]

>>20388895
It was never given a chance to grow the way Japanese literature did. After the Meiji Restoration Japan was suddenly exposed to western literature en masse as stuff started getting translated into Japanese and Japanese people started learning western languages. The modern novel had arrived in Japan, and its impact changed the face of Japanese literature forever. China never got the chance to undergo a similar shift. Communism killed Chinese literature and literary culture.

[Anonymous No.20388912]

>>20388878
I just want to read someone read someone theorycraft completely imaginary builds constantly. I always end up liking the early chapters of litRPG where they're deciding what abilities to get, then hating everything afterward when they stop.

[Anonymous No.20388915]

>>20388904
So, you’ve never read Chinese novels? Because literally nothing change.

[Anonymous No.20388920]

>>20388904
Although the best thing about Japanese literature is its rebelliousness against western influences.

[Anonymous No.20388929]

Anonymous 05/19/22(Thu)00:16:32 No.20388925▶
>>20388912
>I just want to read someone read someone theorycraft completely imaginary builds constantly.
My man, have you never played any tabletop games? You have to stop theory crafting at some point.

[Anonymous No.20388933]

>>20388860
>>20388869
Personally, I'm convinced you are letting your preconceptions be they cultural or ideological cloud your judgement, most western LitRPG is just as shit as most chinese Cultivation, the few forays that cross the culture line tend to stand out as they are often written by people familiar with the genre and it's critique for reasons other than chapter spam, so I wouldn't take it as evaluation of overall quality, just motivations.

If you want good chinese cultivation novels, I can reccomend a few, RI and Lord of mysteries get reccomended often enough, but there are others as well. Personally, I think, legend of the great sage is my favourite. Spirit vessel, coiling dragon , and few others are decently well written too, assuming you are interested in chinese cultivation genres in the first place. Little tyrant and Keyboard immortal are decent comedy routines if you enjoy worldbuidling and harem tho they've got their issues and are more of LitRPG than really cultivation in their own right. If you want a well written novel about western culture by chinese author I think Mediterranean overlord of ancient greece is quite good, it's the only historical isekai, without magic outside of isekai itself, that sounded interesting enough for me to read and it was well worth it even tho I think at one point 8/9 way trough it becomes a bit less exciting because after that feels like clean up rather than challenge.


>>20388872
>you sperg and spam
Anon, RI shill(s?) like yourself are doing most of that. I didn't even comment on RI quality in that post, only on it's shilling, and you are already foaming at the mouth.

[Anonymous No.20388945]

>>20388933
I should also add the festival of cultivation tropes that is against the gods, it may not be their progenitor but it's a dedicated effort to make use of every one of them for better or worse and it does that better than most, tho it's quite flawed in terms of actual story telling it can be great at evoking emotional reactions of you empathise with mc.

[Anonymous No.20388947]

>>20388912
>I just want to read someone read someone theorycraft completely imaginary builds constantly.
I get that, I'm the same way which is why I only read like the first 100 chapters of a xianxia before dropping it.

[Anonymous No.20388958]

>>20388912
Have you tried azarinth healer? It's quite good in that regard as it's goes quite a bit in depth on options MC has for advancement and her rationale for taking them, this continues throughout the novel.

[Anonymous No.20388960]

>>20388929
The very low weighting of build engineering compared to the role-playing aspect is exactly what keeps me away from tabletop. I like extremely dense games like angband-style roguelikes and strategy (particularly xcom-style). When I read a "litRPG" the vast majority of the time the author just treats the mechanics as an accessory to the "role-playing", IE the fantasy storyline, which to me seems entirely disingenuous since the mechanics are supposed to be what separate the genre from regular ass fantasy in the first place.

>>20388933
All I did was bring up a book and described how it relates to the issue. You have no argument against >>20388796. You're nearing 10 posts now doing nothing but bitching that it was named. Grow the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.20388968]

>>20388960
>You're nearing 10 posts
>Grow the fuck up.
If you followed your advice instead of lashing out emotionally, you'd realise that there are at least 3 people you are conversing with

[Anonymous No.20388981]

>>20388958
Picked up, thanks. The synopsis and title implying that healing magic is used in an aggressive character seems promising.

[Anonymous No.20388988]

>>20388968
Whether you're samefagging or a reddit circlejerk, your posts are trash either way.

[Anonymous No.20389003]

>>20388988
Anon, calm down.

[Anonymous No.20389005]

>>20388981
Some other options that might be of interest to you, tho less so than azarinth are Book of the Dead, I should warn you that while author is attentive to the build of the MC and mechanics of the RPG part, it's a story that gets it right in terms of using it as accessory to story telling, rather than letting it take over and it focuses quite a less on builds than azarinth.

There is also something I shilled before -Scorched, that one is interesting because whie having fairly advanced and in depth LitRPG system it uses it as part of the worldbuilding, tho I must warn you scorched got issues that many will dislike, namely it's somewhat strange attitude to sex and obsessions with climate change that serves as MC background. There was another issue but I don't recall it atm. It's also interesting because most LitRPG use class/level system while Scorched is largely classless and advancement is related to skill use, which might or might not be of interest to you.


>>20388988
Very grown up of you, anon, tho I do in fact suspect you to be a different anon from the previous one I talked to, kek.

[Anonymous No.20389025]

>>20388981
I would recommend Zombie Knight Saga. If you like theory crafting build shit then you'll get a lot out of it.

[Anonymous No.20389033]

>>20384768
Did you think Claw of the Conciliator was slow? There was constantly something new coming at you fr

[Anonymous No.20389040]

>>20389003
>>20389005
>no u
Epic, simply epic.

[Anonymous No.20389055]

New thread
>>20389051

[Anonymous No.20389065]

The sad thing about DotF is that Ruthless Heaven is a fantastic murderhobo setting, the problem is that the writing is just shit. Probably because of the scheduling.

[Anonymous No.20389123]

>>20389065
The writing is fine I just don't give a fuck about Zac because he has no character at all.