/wg/ ------- Writing General

[Anonymous No.20476752]

You will make it Thread
We will all make it if we persevere General


Previous thread: >>20473392

For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Traditional Publishing
>you get to focus mostly on writing
>you must write a proposal to the publishers and sell your story to them
>you make 10-15% profit max, but they also eat all the risk and the costs
>self publishing is basically like running your own company
>you only need to do some simple marketing and reach out to readers

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>risky, but much more profitable
>you must pay for everything yourself
>if you do, you will spend more time on running a business than writing, but can be worth it
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^･o･^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story

For advertising
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg

AI-generated book covers
>https://nightcafe.studio
>https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
>https://app.wombo.art/

/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Other forums
https://reddit.com/r/writing
https://writing.stackexchange.com/

[Anonymous No.20476753]

Everyone writes in /wg/
We will all make it

[Anonymous No.20476772]

>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story
The absolute fucking state of this thread.

[Anonymous No.20476785]

I'm gonna write at least another 5000 words today but I have to read first.

[Anonymous No.20476793]

I can only write anime.

[Anonymous No.20476795]

>>20476785
Post an excerpt of your last 5000

[Anonymous No.20476798]

>supposed to write a chapter where one of my MCs is having a 48-hour water fast
>two pages in he's just arguing with his gf who thinks the fast is some kind jab at her gaining weight
Women were a mistake and I never knew it until I tried to write them

[Anonymous No.20476837]

>>20476795
I did last thread. It was the ESL in greentext, it's 1st draft so I'm not gonna bother posting more because the flow is incoherent right now. Here is something from the protagonist from his point of view near the beginning of the story. This character's maid is a nympho sub and trained him into this specific mindset so she can be satisfied in knowing he looks down upon her. This isn't supposed to be funny. This concept is a reoccurring theme related to envy, satisfaction and deprivation.
>All women are fat.
>Yes. All of them. It's an open secret that doesn't make sense to you right now, but I can prove to you that I'm right. Say those four magic words to yourself enough times and you'll understand.
>Women lack confidence, it's just how they're built. It's a fact. I don't care if she's fortune five-hundred or twiggy or a plus-size model that preaches body positivity as if it can save her soul. You tell a woman that she's fat and she will believe you. She plants herself by the next reflective surface she encounters, and if that takes too long she will look down. "Did he really mean that?" she thinks. Yes I mean it. You must assert your claim but make it clear it's your perception. I think you're fat. You appear to have gained weight. If you are on the phone tell her she sounds fat. Suppose you're an engineer at heart tell her that her clothes don't fit anymore. If someone claims you're bigger or taller than her just deny it in her presence and watch her immediately recognize what you meant. Trust me she will believe you because deep down all women know they are fat and they cannot help it.

[Anonymous No.20476853]

>>20476837
>she will believe you because deep down all women know they are fat and they cannot help it.

You've never been around negresses, have you?

[Anonymous No.20476867]

>>20476853
I don't get your point and also that character isn't a self-insert, I don't believe everything that I write down.

[Anonymous No.20476946]

I'm at a point where I need to rewrite a prior section of a work in progress in order to proceed along a different path. Should I just leave that rewrite for the editing pass? I really just don't want to be tied down by it anymore.

[Anonymous No.20476959]

>>20476946
Write notes on the changes you want to make, then each day when you sit down to write carry on at the end, so that the story progresses. On the day you have no motivation or clarity on how to continue go back and do the patchwork that you have a clear(ish) idea on how to complete.

[Anonymous No.20477137]

>try to sleep
>brain flooded with inspiration

[Anonymous No.20477151]

Just started up actually outlining and getting ready to write but hit a few stumbling blocks

Every time I outline the story seems to come out pretty straightforward, like my brain cant plan around a mystery or twist.
How do people actually plan shit out? Anybody know of a youtube series or podcast which has someone write a whole story from scratch infront of you? It'd be good to compare because I think i'm getting stuck when I should probably just shit out a first draft and see what happens

[Anonymous No.20477167]

>>20477151
if it's something that is blocking you from writing, you can always relegate it to later revisions. finish the first draft, even if it is straightforward, and then see how you go. it could come to you in a flash inspiration, or maybe it'll be easier to plan and insert when you have a completed first draft to work with

[Anonymous No.20477186]

>>20477151
a lot of writers work backwards
say you have a mystery. you start at the scene were the murderer is revealed by the hero
and then you work backwards adding clues here and there making sure the only person who could've done it is the murderer
for plot twists i used a list of plot twists i found on the internet

https://screencraft.org/blog/101-plot-twist-ideas/

and i see if there's a plot twist that will fit my project

[Anonymous No.20477225]

Excellent job on the text, OP.
I couldn't have done it better myself.

>>20477137
Yep...happened last night.
I just get up & write down everything I'm thinking of.
It's the only way I can get my mind to quiet down so I can sleep.

[Anonymous No.20477231]

>>20477137
>trying to sleep at 8 in the morning

[Anonymous No.20477249]

What is the key to writing romance?

[Anonymous No.20477261]

>>20477186
>for plot twists i used a list of plot twists i found on the internet
this is so souless holy shit

[Anonymous No.20477263]

>>20477167
>>20477186
Thanks for the responses friendos

[Anonymous No.20477285]

>>20477249
follow the genre structure combine it with a unique premise

[Anonymous No.20477289]

>>20477261
The plot twists are actually pretty general and non specific so they're pretty applicable to anything

[Anonymous No.20477301]

>>20477261
We're all waiting for you to share your superior ideas...instead of just seething.

[Anonymous No.20477311]

>>20477249
Make sure to have a blank-slate girl, with absolutely nothing going on in her life or her head, getting courted by two totally hot guys that are way out of her league.
The romance genre is for mousy nobodies who want to self-insert. Write for them & you'll cash in so hard, you'll have to beat the money back with a stick.

[Anonymous No.20477325]

>>20477311
So the old fashioned literary fiction romance like Jane Eyre and p&p are not worth writing?

[Anonymous No.20477332]

>>20477325
Feel free to try, but times have changed.
Look at what passes for romance these days, what actually sells, and plan accordingly.

[Anonymous No.20477333]

>>20477325
"Amish" romance is also an enormous market.

[Anonymous No.20477343]

How do I write lyrics like this?
https://youtu.be/EtkTtZpsCCY

[Anonymous No.20477394]

Hey anons wondering if this is good. people say I have a natural talent but i'm wondering if its true

"Flesh lay in a bed of flowers, eyes closed in an aimless sense, the white of his fur dimmed by what little light came through the hole above. His eyes blinking open he looked at the world around him, confusion rolled through his brain, cold, isolated were the first feelings he felt. His body that of an adult in its purest form. He breathed for a moment, the peace of waking up was soon fleeting. He got up slowly, feeling weak, malnourished. He touched his body confused by it, almost as if he was dead. letting a breath out, the hellfire of fear came out in a single mist, more like smoke to him."

[Anonymous No.20477403]

The only books worth writing are contemporary. Every great classic was written respectively in their own time. So write a literary fiction about today

[Anonymous No.20477418]

>>20477403
I did and I am.

[Anonymous No.20477423]

>>20477403
But I hate the contemporary culture.

[Anonymous No.20477425]

What is the difference between literary fiction and genre fiction? It's the same shit.

[Anonymous No.20477426]

>>20477403
i'll do you one better: have some imagination and don't measure yourself up to the standards of fucking academia of all things. write what you want to write and you'll write something great. follow this anon's advice and you'll write some embarrassing pseud shit even you don't enjoy

[Anonymous No.20477427]

>>20477403
Near enough every great Greek myth was about "The old times", retard.

[Anonymous No.20477431]

>>20477249
have a guy and girl
for some reason they are forced to work together
maybe they're lawyers who are working on a case
or maybe they are the only white people traveling to a remote african village
as they work together, they grow to love each other
something breaks them apart. a misunderstanding or an old ex shows up
they get back together somehow
they get married and live happily ever after

[Anonymous No.20477437]

>>20477425
Genre fiction is worthless trash, literary fiction is good. Learn this and avoid writing in genres like the plague.
Want to write fantasy? DO NOT write fantasy. Fantasy is trash. Instead write "magical realism", and you work will be hailed as a great work of art.
What is the difference, you ask? Well there isn't one, it's arbitrary, because it's all the same shit. But you have to act like there is a difference, and you have to be snide, rude and disrespectful towards those who write genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.20477440]

>>20477425
literary fiction is literally only defined by being academically relevant. you can't write literary fiction, you can only make work which is retroactively considered literary. /lit/ has a hard-on for literary fiction because they don't know shit and think they're going to be the next albert camus, as if camus' academic relevance didn't utterly rely on the people he knew. literary fiction anons are also identified by having never read anything prior to the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.20477442]

>>20477437
You know nothing if you don't know the difference between fantasy and magical realism

[Anonymous No.20477444]

>>20477442
Magical realism is just a subgenre of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20477447]

>>20477442
Salman, you're pathetic.

[Anonymous No.20477452]

>>20477444
In one magic happens in otherwise realistic world and everyone treats it like normal. In other world itself is magical/unrealistic. Is that right?

[Anonymous No.20477454]

>>20477137
>get out of bed
>start writing
>inspiration disappears
>feels monotonous and bland again

[Anonymous No.20477455]

>>20477394
This sentence particularly isn’t punctuated properly:
>His eyes blinking open he looked at the world around him, confusion rolled through his brain, cold, isolated were the first feelings he felt.
It should be something like:
>His eyes blinking open, he looked at the world around him. Confusion rolled through his brain, cold. His first feelings were isolated.
That got read of awkward syntax, awkward punctuation, and improper grammar. You also had a redundancy in “feelings he felt.”
>His body that of an adult in its purest form.
This misses the verb, “was,” which I think you ought to put in.
>He breathed for a moment, the peace of waking up was soon fleeting.
Comma splice.
>letting a breath out, the hellfire of fear came out in a single mist, more like smoke to him."
Capitalise the “l” of “letting” but it’s otherwise evocative.

[Anonymous No.20477459]

>>20477454

[Anonymous No.20477460]

>>20477394
This is not only purple as fuck, the syntax is confusing and sentence structure odd.

[Anonymous No.20477478]

>>20475061
Okay Chinaman anon. What happens afterwards? I didn't read about hookers or anything to do with chickens. So I know you have more. Give it up.

[Anonymous No.20477504]

>>20477261
Plot in general is soulless. It's a series of events. There's no point trying to infuse soul into a plot itself. It's like trying to infuse water into a stone. Instead, you shape the stone into something that holds water. Plot is just a rock. Sure, there are varying qualities of rock. Maybe you want to use marble instead of shale. But just choose a fucking rock and shape it instead of spending all your time pretending you'll turn a rock into a sponge. Go into hard sciences if you want to manipulate materials themselves.

[Anonymous No.20477517]

>>20477437
seethe
>avoid writing in genres like the plague
Avoid writing clichés like the plague, man.
>you work will be hailed as a great work of art
"you" work?
Why should we take advice from a seething illiterate?
>be snide, rude and disrespectful
To what end?

Write literary fiction and, at best, you'll be "critically acclaimed", which is code for "not selling worth a damn".
Write fantasy/romance/teen-lit/isekai, and they'll drive dump trucks full of money to your front door.

[Anonymous No.20477519]

Do you think agents or publishers lurk in these threads or reddit hoping to find something worth their time to publish?

[Anonymous No.20477525]

>>20477440
>literary fiction anons are also identified by having never read anything prior to the 20th century.
It's probably important to read the works closest in construction and relevance to your own time. Thematically though I agree, spread the net as far back as you can. I like reading Victorian literature but I don't feel as if you glean anything from its prose that you can carry through to your own work.

[Anonymous No.20477527]

>>20477517
Lmao look at this butthurt genre fiction writer who can't even recognize sarcasm.

[Anonymous No.20477532]

>>20477519
i imagine they get more submissions than they know what to do with, probably don't bother scouting

[Anonymous No.20477534]

>>20477431
>have a guy and girl
This enforcement of heteronormativity is very triggering.

[Anonymous No.20477567]

>>20477527
>Say something retarded
>Get called out on it
>I-I was making a HECKIN joke!
Peak estrogen overdose

[Anonymous No.20477572]

>>20477444
magical realism is literary fiction
"100 years of solitude" is literary fiction

[Anonymous No.20477573]

>>20477567
he was clearly making fun of people who disparage genre fiction

[Anonymous No.20477575]

>>20477567
Anon, reread the post, calmly this time. You're not seeing this clearly through the haze of your impotent rage. The key is in a phrase featured in both the post you were triggered by and the post it originally responded to, "the same shit".

[Anonymous No.20477584]

>>20477573
>>20477575
>get called out
>start samefagging on your phone
Seethe, cope & dilate

[Anonymous No.20477591]

>>20477437
Genre itself is a function of capital's overreach into art. If your balls don't cringe up into your stomach when applying any broad-strokes label to your writing, you're a hopeless hack.

[Anonymous No.20477592]

>>20477519
no
you sometimes can meet an agent at a convention
or you can meet a published author who'll introduce you to an agent, or something like that
when the orbit publishing company started up, they were buying novels left and right. that's over now. i think orbit was sold
keep an eye out for such opportunities

[Anonymous No.20477603]

>>20477534
4chan is a safe space for such heretical thoughts.
You literally can't discuss this on Plebbit.

[Anonymous No.20477615]

>>20477591
you're right, but if you're planning on selling your work it's not really something that can be avoided

[Anonymous No.20477617]

>>20477603
There’s a reason such outdated ideas as forbidden anywhere civilized.

[Anonymous No.20477630]

There are millions upon millions of books written by writers every day. Some as young as 17.

How can you even compete?

[Anonymous No.20477636]

>>20477630
Nobody has ever written anything worthwhile at age 17

[Anonymous No.20477640]

>>20477636
Red badge of courage

[Anonymous No.20477648]

>>20477640
I'll just an hero then

[Anonymous No.20477666]

>>20477630
>Hourly demoralization post
Hey alright man, good shit. Keep up the good work.

[Anonymous No.20477677]

>>20477666
Satan, stop giving false hope. We see through your lies

[Anonymous No.20477699]

I really wish board tourists would leave, or at least flush out their shitposting on other boards.
>GAY4T

[Anonymous No.20477716]

whats your writing process anon?

[Anonymous No.20477721]

>>20477716
>go on a walk/run
>think about shit
>figure it out
>get home
>write it down
>keep striking while the iron's hot

[Anonymous No.20477722]

>>20477716
I just put on coltrane or miles davis and write some

[Anonymous No.20477725]

>>20477630
I know this is bait but I'm bored so I'll humor it. Because I know that I'm better than most of those people either at present or will be given enough time and practice. Of those "millions of books" I'm willing to bet some ~90% are trite copy pasted garbage, categorycuck purple prose selfsuck fests or books that are from a market of literature that has 0 impact on mine. Why would I care about cookbooks or romance if I'm writing fiction?

[Anonymous No.20477733]

>>20477394
Purple prose as fuck. Terrible. dumb it down and try again.

[Anonymous No.20477739]

>>20477716
...write?

[Anonymous No.20477754]

>>20477716
>idea
>1 write out paragraph
>2 see if its interesting
>3 think of arc/plot it out
>4 write 10k
>5 revise/review/check location and future
>6 edit every 20k words
>7 start again at 3 until finished or bored

[Anonymous No.20477755]

>>20477630
How many of those are tour guide books, cookbooks, and family biographies?

Now exclude all the people who just want to be a writer and don't know how to write or put any effort in learning how.

Ignore all the self published garbage that's never been beta read or edited. full of grammar errors and bad english.

Cut out the garbage and you have a normal competition. All the excess is from people who can't write. How many books are coming out and how many of them are good? You're probably better than 90% of them

[Anonymous No.20477759]

>>20477716
I put words onto a page.

[Anonymous No.20477779]

>>20477725
>I know
How do we know that we know? What is knowledge?

[Anonymous No.20477783]

>>20477716
Good question.
Start with idea of what I’d like to discuss, outline the chapter concepts, outline each individual chapter, probably revise a few times, and then finally start writing once I’ve outlined each paragraph.
I know my book for instance will have 300 paragraphs.

[Anonymous No.20477794]

Prove you're a better writer than someone by posting their work and yours.

[Anonymous No.20477804]

>>20477794
Who the fuck are you?

[Anonymous No.20477806]

>>20477636
Pound was published before 17. Rimbaud was loved by his teachers for his Latin and French composition in poetry.

[Anonymous No.20477831]

>>20477779
Good god I thought I escaped epistemology after high school. Thanks for the PTSD attack

[Anonymous No.20477841]

>>20477151
>Every time I outline the story seems to come out pretty straightforward, like my brain cant plan around a mystery or twist.
Conflict can be hard to add. Try reading some comedic plays. They're based on compounding misunderstandings and events until the whole thing is a tangled mess.

[Anonymous No.20477849]

>>20477806
>Rimbaud
"Rimbaud completely stopped writing literature at age 20 after assembling his last major work, Illuminations."

damn

[Anonymous No.20477854]

>>20477437
>Genre fiction is worthless trash, literary fiction is good.
I ain't listenin' to no comma splicin' faggot.

[Anonymous No.20477858]

>>20477854
look at this no-sentence-flow-having yee yee ass nigga

[Anonymous No.20477864]

>>20477716
>get an idea
>just write down what I have for the plot in my head
>no outline at all
>my brain is the outline, nigga

[Anonymous No.20477866]

>>20477849
when society doesn't value it, it will stop being produced by those who want to be valued. *shrug*

[Anonymous No.20477868]

>>20477854
>"it was the best of times but at the same time it was the worst of times"
phew, fixed!

[Anonymous No.20477872]

>>20477864
this

[Anonymous No.20477873]

>>20477249
Are there any good modern romance stories?

[Anonymous No.20477877]

Any stories where the hero is the villain? And the protagonist needs to be stopped before he destroys the world?

[Anonymous No.20477878]

>>20477868
lol

[Anonymous No.20477882]

>>20477873
most modern sff has romance as a subplot
even 1964s "Dune" had romance as a subplot

[Anonymous No.20477887]

>>20477804
That's Promptanon. He may be a bot.

[Anonymous No.20477888]

>>20477877
I'm writing something like that, actually. But it's more about them realizing they're not as villainous as they thought than them being actual villains. I've posted it a couple of times in these threads, too.

[Anonymous No.20477889]

>>20476752
I finally did it /wg/ I wrote the beginning of a story. Hand written initially in a notebook then typed the first half into a markdown editor then published it to my kindle. I'm self publishd already. I did 3k words yesterday.
I will share it soon. Any tips for that? I'll either do it as an image post or a mobi/epub.

[Anonymous No.20477896]

>>20477868
'Round these parts, folk use semicolons, just like the good bible says.

[Anonymous No.20477901]

>>20477864
100% this
The story grows as it grows

[Anonymous No.20477914]

>>20477716
Very disjointed. I used to write in a very linear way, starting at chapter 1, writing each sentence one by one, and I never got far into it because I don't like writing like that.
Now its more free flowing. Sometimes a sentence that sounds nice will pop into my head and I'll just write it down. Then I'll figure out how to flesh it out, what's the context behind the sentence, how do I fit it into the story, where does it go, that kind of stuff.
I like to jump around when writing. I'll work for a bit on a part near the beginning, then I'll work on a part near the end, then I'll start making some stuff in the middle, however it goes.

[Anonymous No.20477946]

>>20477889
Why would you only publish the first chapter of your novel?

[Anonymous No.20477948]

>>20477864
I have been doing that, but the problem when you are serially publishing is that I can only think about 2~3 chapters ahead. And even then its usually a "oh wouldn't that be cool to do" rather then something that would be mind blowing for the reader

[Anonymous No.20477953]

>>20477444
nah

[Anonymous No.20477954]

>>20477948
that's why you build up a backlog and write ahead of time. I'm not gonna start posting my shit until I'm near the end of my first book because I have a habit of writing at a glacial pace and retroactively editing and shunting stuff into already existing stories.

[Anonymous No.20477957]

>>20477437
this reads like a failed fantasy author trying to false flag (many such cases)

[Anonymous No.20477960]

>>20477517
fantasy sells worse than litfic though

[Anonymous No.20477967]

>>20477877
Mine. My protag is part of a viking-like culture that hops from place to place in search of glory, and that treats anyone who isn't them like an obstacle and or resource to be used for whatever means they need / want. The story is about two brothers, one of whom leans towards their people's ways of raiding and pillaging, and the other that leans away from it, and is disgusted by their barbarism and wild nature. I want there to be a dichotomy that the reader gets to experience, as the two (main) PoV characters are the brothers, and they are both forced to do things they see as reprehensible in order to further their respective goals. Wanna really hammer home the moral dillema and perspective bits.

[Anonymous No.20477971]

>kind of run out of ideas for where my story is going
>play/watch thing that inspired me to write
>ideas suddenly spur up in my head with creativity
Why the fuck does this happen

[Anonymous No.20477974]

If you can’t make it as a sci-fi fantasy author, you can’t make it as anything besides a smut writer.
They’re the easy genres to make it in.

[Anonymous No.20477975]

>>20477971
Connections formed in the brain

[Anonymous No.20477985]

>>20477971
It happens because you are a hack
Real authors seal themselves off in isolation chambers and endure a few hours of sensory deprivation before they even pick up the pencil.

[Anonymous No.20477990]

>>20477974
>They’re the easy genres to make it in.
fantasy and sci-fi? No, not at all.
Romance, thriller, crime, erotica, and "inspirational" fiction all outsell fantasy and sci-fi by comically large margins. Even the allegedly unpopular litfic outsells it on average. Even more, most of fantasy's sales are locked up in a handfull of multi-book franchises (not sure about sci-fi).
writing fantasy to "make it" just shows you don't do your research.

[Anonymous No.20478000]

>>20477990
Fantasy/sci-fi IS the third biggest genre, but it is, as you say, very concentrated, Harry Potter, LOTR, ASOIAF, they have the bulk of it.

[Anonymous No.20478016]

>>20477946
All I had to was export what I had to epub then I took that to calibre and made it a mobi. I did it cuz I wanted to see what it looked like on a kindle.

[Anonymous No.20478025]

>>20477617
Strawman argument. You defined "civilization" solely for your own convenience.
Also, guy/girl pair-bonding is necessary for propagation of the species.
Ideologies are irrelevant if they literally die out. Ask the Jainists.

[Anonymous No.20478030]

>>20478000
It's also a very distant third. The point is that anon is talking out his ass.

[Anonymous No.20478038]

>>20477990
Like I said, if you can’t make it in sci-fi fantasy then you’re never going to make it. You’d have to write sonichu fanfic tier stories to not sell well.

[Anonymous No.20478044]

>>20477854
>>20477858
>>20477985
seethe
>>20477960
Huh? On what planet?

[Anonymous No.20478046]

>>20478038
I know you feel real proud of yourself and are patting yourself on the back over how clever you think you are, but honestly you're just making everyone feel uncomfortable they have to associate with a sperg like you.

[Anonymous No.20478061]

>>20478046
Look buddy, making sales in a multi book series is by far the easiest way to make it as an author. Each book boosts the backlog.
Face it, if you aren’t selling at least 100 copies a week by book 2 and 300+ by book 3 you’re ngmi.

[Anonymous No.20478062]

>not writing a story to get discovered after your death
Do you people want greatness?

[Anonymous No.20478075]

>>20478061
Dumbass. The longer a series is, the more people will drop it or not start it at all.

[Anonymous No.20478086]

>>20478044
our planet

>>20478038
>like I said [ieslb]
anyway, fantasy/sf is probably the worst genre to write for if you want to "make it" since it has one of the worst writers to readers ratios of any genre. Most people writing fantasy don't even read it, they just watched game of thrones or played the witcher and confused the success of these works of visual media for the general success of fantasy literature as a whole.
thrillers, mysteries and romance find success much more easily

[Anonymous No.20478095]

>>20478061
>Look buddy, making sales in a multi book series is by far the easiest way to make it as an author
you are so disconnected from reality it's funny

[Anonymous No.20478119]

>>20477716
1) Write down all of my ideas. Don't lose any.
I have an outline editor (TreeLine...free and open-source) where I save everything.
2) Write whatever I feel like writing. Don't force it.
Never, never get in the way of your own muse.
3) I can't write when I'm tired or stressed.
So I try to avoid those problems.
Too bad I have a day job.

It's no more complex than that.

[Anonymous No.20478126]

I hate these long running series. Tried it with GoT. Completely skimmed feast of crows and dance with dragons. And after 12 years never will I read these long winded stories again.

[Anonymous No.20478136]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TnPP7zFmN8&t=1220s

this woman has made the US Today's best seller list.
she has over 30 books and makes hundreds of thousands per year
she writes romances with a partner
she comes off as kind of silly but as you watch you'll see that she has a keen business sense
for those of you interested in self-publishing

[Anonymous No.20478137]

>>20478126
no story ever needs more then 40k words, but people need the entertainment and the time wasting portion of it otherwise they never give it a shot

[Anonymous No.20478172]

>>20477877
This LitRPG is like that.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/32067/never-die-twice
I've only read up to chapter 16, but so far I like it.
>>20477957
Or just the usual seething pseud.
>>20478046
Nah, he's here to raise our self-esteem...by making us thankful we're not him.
>>20478086
So, you're defining literary fiction as thrillers, mysteries, and romance?

[Anonymous No.20478181]

>>20478075
RM (retard moment) people see a book comes out that has 100+ reviews and go to the first book in the series.
People only drop a series if it’s bad.
Everytime you make a new book then, people go to your first book and read through if they’re curious and like it.

[Anonymous No.20478183]

>>20478172
>So, you're defining literary fiction as thrillers, mysteries, and romance?
no

[Anonymous No.20478188]

>>20478183
Good answer. Great conversation.
Pseud.

[Anonymous No.20478206]

>>20478188
>ask a question
>get answer
>become mad
?

>>20478181
>RM (retard moment)
you're delusions are leaking into your speech. nothing you create will ever catch on

[Anonymous No.20478208]

>>20477948
That's just the nature of serials unfortunately. I know a few major points far ahead, but the week to week shit is pretty meandering. It's like seeing a few mountain peaks on the horizon but not all the valleys you'll have to trudge through to reach them.

[Anonymous No.20478241]

>>20478136
How do I find a femoid penal to write smut and get rich with?

[Anonymous No.20478256]

>>20478137
I'll say 50-70k is the sweet spot. Anything more is usually filler. Hell someone crossed out all the descriptions of food in GoT and found the book to be cut in half

[Anonymous No.20478263]

Can I get a critique? I'll offer criticism in return if anyone would like:

He woke up in darkness to what sounded like water lapping at the sides of a pool, and this was concerning because there was no pool in his bedroom. He reached out from the covers to the lamp on his bed stand and saw that his now illuminated bedroom was flooded a foot deep. A book floated here and a t-shirt there. His stomach started to knot itself and his blood ran cold, until it occured to him that his apartment was on the third story of a building far above sea level. This had to be a dream. Calmly, he shut off the light and laid back down, naturally assuming that going to sleep in a nightmare would exhchange it for a vision that was less distressing. The water lapped at the frame of his bed while he drifted off.
It was hunger that woke him the second time, and immediately he was aware of how gently the floor seemed to undulate beneath his bed. He opened his eyes and saw he was no longer in total darkness and no longer beneath a roof. It was a dim gray and marbled sky that rose overhead like the high, clay ceiling of an enormous cave. He looked around and saw the rest of his room was gone as well, and now here was only him and his bed, floating on an ocean between billows of mist that were the same ugly color as the clouds above: Nothing but water for as far as he could see.

The hunger he felt was too real for this to be a dream, but how could that be? Maybe the city had flooded and was beneath him now, in the water? or maybe he had somehow drifted into the Atlantic. Was this the afterlife? He sat stupified on his bed, entertaining a scramble of hypotheticals, until a frenzied need to do something overtook him. First as a croak, then as a shout, he began calling into the unworld around him for help. He screamed and screamed until many hours had passed and his voice cracked from the strain and tears, but no one heard him, or there was no one around to hear him, and eventually he gave up and collapsed into his bed, depressed. His head throbbed from the yelling and a lack of coffee. He stared up from his pillow until the sky brightened to a lighter shade of gray. He stared until something bumped into the bedframe: A plank of driftwood, floating within reach. Instinctively he leaned over and grabbed it, nearly launching himself overboard in the process. Now, at least, he had a paddle.

[Anonymous No.20478280]

>>20478086
>anyway, fantasy/sf is probably the worst genre to write for if you want to "make it" since it has one of the worst writers to readers ratios of any genre.
But fantasy readers are willing to buy ebooks and self published books. Even if the market is smaller, it's more viable for an independent writer because you only have to tithe to Zon. Litfic readers want paper and gate keeping.

[Anonymous No.20478286]

>>20477948
I subscribe to the Monte Cristo school of serial writing: just throw in 6 months of sea faring adventures and call it plot. Or, in other words, just write wherever the story takes you.

[Anonymous No.20478290]

>>20478280
>Litfic readers want paper and gate keeping.
see you're just making shit up

[Anonymous No.20478324]

>>20478206
I don’t make the rules, I just report them accurately. Sorry your furry fanfic doesn’t sell more, but you should write sci-fi fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20478348]

>>20478206
>writes "no" as an answer to an essay question
Pseud
>you're delusions
Illiterate

[Anonymous No.20478359]

>>20478348
Pseud pseud pseud
You consider yourself an intellectual? That’s the implication of the putdown.

[Anonymous No.20478378]

>>20478263
The character has no name. Lots of filter words about what he felt, thought, saw. Simply stating emotions and abstract inner thoughts. This all adds up to give a very distant and dreamlike feeling. It lacks tension, despite describing what should be a shocking situation.

If you're writing a fairy tale or short story, that could be okay -- but in that case, it's too wordy. If you're writing a novel, it's not immediate enough.

>He screamed and screamed until many hours had passed and his voice cracked from the strain and tears, but no one heard him, or there was no one around to hear him, and eventually he gave up and collapsed into his bed, depressed.
You're glossing over his reaction in one long, sort of lifeless, sentence.

>..but how could that be? Maybe the city had flooded and was beneath him now, in the water? ... Was this the afterlife?
It's a red flag when the narrator asks these sorts of rhetorical questions. Characters need other characters to talk to. Have him talk to himself if necessary or yell at the heavens.

[Anonymous No.20478383]

>>20478263
>He woke
>woke him the second time
Pic related

Paragraphs could use breaking up, too many self posed questions, needs a good edit pass for brevity (also typos/lack of capitalization in at least one instance)

Overall I can see good skills/instincts underpinning the writing but it needs more polish and I find these dream sequence stories uninteresting conceptually due to lack of stakes.

[Anonymous No.20478391]

>>20478378
>It's a red flag when the narrator asks these sorts of rhetorical questions
how so?

[Anonymous No.20478398]

Why does the nig have to nog?

[Anonymous No.20478414]

How do people write so much? Books are 300+ pages on average now. What is there to possibly talk about?

[Anonymous No.20478416]

>>20477534
He asked for romance. Romance is between a man and a woman.
Gays don't have romance, they just have perverse sex because homosexuality is a fetish.

[Anonymous No.20478418]

>>20478391
It's not a crime in itself. It could be used effectively. But often they pop up in boring sections where there's nothing going on except a character moping around looking at stuff. Or it's something that should properly be a conversation, but the character has no one to talk to.

Whenever I catch myself using them, I step back and rethink the scene.

[Anonymous No.20478425]

>>20477455
>That got read
You shouldn't criticize grammar, there's a log in your eye or some shit however that biblical saying goes

[Anonymous No.20478434]

Anyone have any examples of books or excerpts to read wherein music is often described? I have a character that's a musician but don't really know how to go about properly describing the music when he plays.

[Anonymous No.20478435]

>>20478348
meds

>>20478324
Meds

[Anonymous No.20478436]

>>20478359
Calling you "pseud" means you're a poser, a phony.
I can start calling you that if you'll find it less confusing.
Or you could just grow up.

[Anonymous No.20478446]

>>20478398
Because he be actin' white.

[Anonymous No.20478448]

I'm gonna write a story in 2nd person. Imperative mood. That's right!

[Anonymous No.20478451]

>>20478414
You could try reading a book and finding out.

[Anonymous No.20478455]

>>20478451
Fine I'll admit I am seething inside. I wish I knew how to write long stories

[Anonymous No.20478462]

The feds are trying to steal my fiction ideas

[Anonymous No.20478467]

>>20478448
You, read this book.

[Anonymous No.20478469]

I can't do this anymore.

[Anonymous No.20478470]

>>20478455
pick up one of those chinese web novels that are 3000+ chapters and you'll see that they just repeat the story over and over

[Anonymous No.20478477]

>>20478425
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law

[Anonymous No.20478480]

>>20477716
I'll daydream mostly. And when I've run that daydream enough times in my head to get the general plot for the chapter/book I'll write it down and edit accordingly.

[Anonymous No.20478483]

https://pastebin.com/tpDmakum

I need opinions. I'm writing a few short stories revolving around the same character, and would like to hear what people think about him. Pls halp

[Anonymous No.20478486]

>>20478477
>he links some gay meme wikipedia article as his excuse instead of promptly killing himself in shame
Literally just proofread before you click "submit". How hard is that.

[Anonymous No.20478497]

>>20478256
I think people have gotten a bit anal over what can and can't be considered filler. While it's true that there's a fine line between worldbuilding and filler, and 100% there's needless bloat in asoiaf especially, I think being overly terse makes the world seem dry and bland.

>>20478414
I find stories / plots I like and put my own twist to them and then apply them to my world / story.

[Anonymous No.20478504]

First paragraph check. I have a clear image in my head of what I want, but im hammering away at starting.


Gregory Schultz had been a shipwright in his working years, and framing boats for the well-to-do of Cape Cod had made for a lucrative career, albeit a time consuming one. Gregory had lived alone for the better part of thirty-five years, twenty of which were in the same ranch style home that ran tightly along Hathaway Road across from New Bedford Highschool where as a boy he had graduated before learning his trade. As an adult, he never had time for women aside from a casual relationship here and there. In fact, he didn't hit the dives all that often with the rest of the guys from the boatyard either, however, that feeling was largely mutual. Gregory was never fond of the Portagees that the owner, Stuart hired. There was almost always a problem when Greg had to work the unibrows, and it almost always made his day run longer.

[Anonymous No.20478529]

>>20478469
Yeah. These threads have been shit for a long time.

[Anonymous No.20478537]

>>20478469
you can do it!

[Anonymous No.20478539]

>>20478483
Give your characters names. It's a long back and forth between two unknown voices.

[Anonymous No.20478546]

>>20478497
>find stories / plots I like and put my own twist to them and then apply them to my world / story
This is a great idea.

[Anonymous No.20478551]

>the best compliment i ever got was that i sounded like a famous author
i'm ngmi

[Anonymous No.20478563]

>>20478539
still dwelling on that part, it was supposed to be nothing more than dialogue practice and then grew into a story.

[Anonymous No.20478566]

>>20476752
I need to come up with a name for a second gen Chinese Australian male.
>I will not name him Wang.
Most suggestions welcome.

[Anonymous No.20478577]

thanks for reading some shit I typed up on my phone when I was supposed to be working.

>>20478378
It's meant to be dreamlike but I can see why that could be an issue for a longform work which this was also supposed to be.
I'll try and expand on the glossed over bit since that was bugging me even before I posted it. Oh, and the character has no name because his name was destroyed in the flood.

>>20478383
would using the word "woke" twice like that be better if the first paragraph is a seperate chapter from the rest of the text? that was the original idea behind using that twice.
and it's actually not a dream, btw, just reality melting down into a conceptual soup and slowly reforming.
since two people talked about the self posed questions I'll replace them with something else or delete them entirely. Initially I wasn't even going to include his thoughts.

[Anonymous No.20478609]

>>20478529
So does that mean I should stop coming here?

[Anonymous No.20478625]

>>20478504
It's pretty good.
>where as a boy he had graduated before learning his trade.
You're overburdening your sentences a little. 'as a boy' + 'before learning' You don't need two things setting the time. Also you can take out the perfect 'had' when you've already defined a time the action is taking place.
>>20478504
>either, however, that feeling was largely mutual.
This is off somehow. It makes it sound like the dives don't like him.
> that the owner, Stuart hired.
Don't need a comma for essential information, assuming there is only one owner named stuart. Offset with commas if there are lots of owners, one of whom is named stuart.

Nitpicks though. It seems okay.

[Anonymous No.20478633]

>>20478436
You’re the embodiment of the basedjack at this point if you unironically have ever called someone a pseud.
I can picture the patchy beard, mouth agape, and glasses being pushed up now.

[Anonymous No.20478642]

>>20478566
Harper Li

[Anonymous No.20478649]

>>20477394
It's very over-written, with some questionable word choices and wordy phrases.

>eyes closed in an aimless sense
Eyes closed without purpose or direction? This is poor word choice. It doesn't mean anything that makes sense.

>His eyes blinking open he looked at the world around him
"Eyes blinking open" is a terrible phrase. This is a useless level of detail, it's too much.

>confusion rolled through his brain, cold, isolated were the first feelings he felt.
Which did he feel first, confusion, cold or isolation? If your effort to Sound Like An Author, you've written confusing pap.

[Anonymous No.20478661]

>>20478625
Thanks boss. Noted. I think you've crit'd me before. I wrote that thing about the guy getting robbed and fantasizing about it like 6 months ago. Super fucking helpful.

[Anonymous No.20478685]

>>20478551
that pretty far from ngmi, anon

>>20478504
you spelt portugeuse wrong and I think you can tighten the sentence about the dives and the boys from the boatyard. I also don't understand what you mean by the feeling being mutual.

>>20478483
I didn't have trouble following the conversation but the way characters spoke kept switching from verbose and pseudo-archaic to cockney orphan to regular modern english. Also some of the witticisms were awkward, like "The only disease they could cause is a pollen allergy!"
I understand what you meant but I'd phrase more like "the worst they can do now is aggravate the sinuses"

[Anonymous No.20478720]

>>20478685
Thanks, will work on how I phrase things. That was a bit of a problem when I was writing the thing. As I've said in >>20478563 it was meant to be nothing more than some practice and it only grew. I'm currently writing a second part and I am much more satisfied with how it's turning out, especially in the way things are said and phrased, including the dialectical and intellectual differences/similarities between the characters. I think I wanted to go with making the other guy a "smart dumbass" if that's even a thing. However, I do agree that he did turn out a bit too verbose. The other dude, the vampire, was meant to be obviously well spoken, at least to a higher degree compared to the other dude. All in all, thanks for the comment anon.

[Anonymous No.20478730]

>>20478566
Henry So
Kelly Siu

[Anonymous No.20478736]

>>20478685
I think I'm putting the cart before the horse there. I work with a guy that always talks about the 'fuckin portagee(s)' It's a slur I guess.

[Anonymous No.20478741]

>>20478736
if it's a slur then it's fine. I'd just never heard it before

[Anonymous No.20478751]

>>20478566
Filthy Frank

[Anonymous No.20478762]

>>20478566
Sum Dum Ahsho?
Or am I going in the wrong direction here?

[Anonymous No.20478771]

>>20478633
Did you come here to write, or just to seethe?
You literally bring no value to this thread.

[Anonymous No.20478837]

>>20478771
Think of me as the janitor, I’m here to remove the trash and clean up the place. (You’re the trash) Your low levels of testosterone called me here.

[Anonymous No.20478852]

>>20478837
Talk about a pseud job.
Post some of your own writing, or go somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.20478856]

My fantasy dialogue. I think I'm going places.
>This blade was made from a dragons fang
>What dragon?
>The dragon from the swamp
>Frwast? None has seen it for over 200 years. You jest.
>I am the child of destiny. Blessed by the creatures of the swamp. It is time.for you to die.
>Death cannot claim me.

[Anonymous No.20478866]

>>20478852
>Talk about a pseud job.

[Anonymous No.20478875]

>>20478609
It’d be for the best. Most of the people who post here just want to discourage people because they have too little insight to say anything of value to others.

[Anonymous No.20478878]

>>20478856
I feel like someone is going to beat me up for reading this. Like a jock is gonna come by and beat the shit out of me and pull off in his dad's BMW

[Anonymous No.20478884]

reply to this comment with your BEST writing

[Anonymous No.20478886]

>>20478416
You could’ve just said you’re a homophobe.

[Anonymous No.20478899]

I don't know how I had such a positive attitude for so many years but this year I've hit such low notes of sadness and hollowness that hasn't happened since I was a teenager. The good thing is I don't think it's hurting my writing, its actually making me cut out all my unproductive hobbies and write more.

[Anonymous No.20478911]

>>20478884
No one here writes.

[Anonymous No.20478921]

>>20478884
No one here writes.

[Anonymous No.20478926]

Yesterday, instead of working on my novel, I wrote a four page treatment for another novel ("Planet of the Ultravixens"). Today, instead of working on my novel, I want to write another treatment. I'm trying to focus on my lesbian dinosaur adventure, and my brain keeps saying "What if Bigfoot was a private detective named Harry?"

[Anonymous No.20478953]

>>20478911
>>20478921
That's enough out of you. Now get some writing done.

[Anonymous No.20478992]

rate

[Anonymous No.20478998]

>>20478926
I felt like that upon waking up yesterday. Ended up being one of the most productive writing days I've ever had.
Hate to offer pleb teir "hang in there" advice but its true about my day yesterday.

[Anonymous No.20479008]

>>20478992
Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.20479012]

About to wrap-up my first ever manuscript lads. Here goes nothing.

[Anonymous No.20479019]

>>20478953
Fuck you, you stupid nigger faggot!

[Anonymous No.20479020]

>>20479008
cringe? i disagree

[Anonymous No.20479040]

>>20478992
I give it a What the fuck did I just read? out of 10. Prose is surprisingly readable on a technical level, I just have no fucking clue what's going on. Who is the protagonist? What is the protagonist? Is it human? Adult? It's weird and I don't like it.

[Anonymous No.20479050]

>>20479012
Congrats

[Anonymous No.20479069]

>>20479012
did you query anyone yet?

[Anonymous No.20479082]

>>20477151
If you have plot points, go to each one and ask if that’s the most dramatic thing that can happen and the biggest twist. Pick the dramatic one. And then your plot will change based on that until you hit another point that will be different as a result of your change. You’ll make another change etc.

[Anonymous No.20479089]

>>20479069
Why would he do that? Self publishing is far superior.

[Anonymous No.20479096]

>>20479069
Nah, I'm not gay

[Anonymous No.20479110]

>>20479019
Get baited my friend. Thank you for contributing your well punctuated and highly impactful writing to this thread! Have some of mine:

[Anonymous No.20479117]

>>20477437
Literary fiction is trash. Only the top 1% of works will be celebrated in our time and only the .01% will become canonical work. The rest will be forgotten and unread, just like genre fiction, and even looked on as unnecessarily pretentious. I’ve never met more delusional people than those writing literary fiction who think they’re going to become canonical.

[Anonymous No.20479163]

>>20478263
it's fine, anon. just needs normal editing. keep going and see where it goes.

[Anonymous No.20479174]

>>20478483
>https://pastebin.com/tpDmakum
Too much back and forth banter for me, and paragraphs too short.

[Anonymous No.20479179]

>>20478504

You have to bring some focus to it. The paragraph is all over the place.

[Anonymous No.20479188]

>>20479069
Nah he’a not gay.

[Anonymous No.20479270]

>>20479089
So I can see my book on the shelves of Barnes and Nobel

[Anonymous No.20479290]

>>20478886
There's not enough nuance in that. I'm a fundamentalist homophobe. I don't even believe that gays exist.

[Anonymous No.20479325]

how do you determine the end to a story?

[Anonymous No.20479326]

>>20478992
That's really good. Even the awkward statements add to the appeal

[Anonymous No.20479343]

>>20479325
You come up with an ending that feels satisfying based on the progression of events thus far, or is intentionally anticlimactic if you're going for that. What's logical to end up happening from where you're taking your story?

[Anonymous No.20479345]

>>20479325
What makes sense. Otherwise when a villain is defeated or the character motivations are about to repeat themselves.

[Anonymous No.20479355]

>>20479163
thanks senpai

[Anonymous No.20479366]

>>20479325
I need to have an ending in mind otherwise I can't write a story, its one of the few things holding up most of my writing. So I write with the ending in mind and my ideas tend to just be an ending that walk backwards from.

[Anonymous No.20479373]

>>20479270
You can select that option when you self-publish on Amazon.
You don't make as much money from store sales as you do from individual sales. but at least it's an option.
The stores have to request copies of your book, though.

[roboteer No.20479401]

It's a new age. I won't write a novel this time. I'll have a robot do it for me, and then I will critique it.
Then I will generate illustrations with DALL-E mini, and so on.

[Anonymous No.20479408]

>>20479401
that ruins the entire point of writing anon
are you trying to be rich or write?

[roboteer No.20479433]

>>20479408
It's an experiment.
I will not be monetizing this.
Not that I ever intended to monetize anything I do except for my main job which is not related to art...
>that ruins the entire point of writing anon
WHICH IS?...

[Anonymous No.20479436]

>>20479433
to write you idiot

[roboteer No.20479441]

>>20479436
Writing is being done. I have met your criterion.

[Anonymous No.20479451]

>>20479441
I hope you enjoy it (I actually don't you retard I hope you fail miserably)

[roboteer No.20479461]

>>20479451
Why are you so peeved by this. Do you hate robots?

[Anonymous No.20479487]

>>20479441
writing is already "being done" by other people. if you want to not write you don't need to set up an ai, you can just not write by not writing.

[Anonymous No.20479500]

>>20479487
I want to see what this AI is capable of creating with very little guidance from me. That's more interesting right now today than just writing.

[Anonymous No.20479522]

>>20479500
you can do that by googling "examples of ai writing." a million people are running a million of these things every second, and you're going to get the same kind of mush they're all getting. where's the experiment?

[Anonymous No.20479526]

>>20478884
New chapter of my LitRPG posted:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54832/leave-bad-enough-alone

[Anonymous No.20479528]

>>20479522
Yeah but not with the same prompt as me!

[Anonymous No.20479536]

>>20479522
Mush? Several news articles, across many sites, are written by AI these days:
https://whatsnewinpublishing.com/the-washington-posts-robot-reporter-has-published-850-articles-in-the-past-year/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/08/robot-wrote-this-article-gpt-3

[Anonymous No.20479543]

>>20479536
>news articles
wow it's fucking nothing
I bet news articles have been AI generated for years

[Anonymous No.20479581]

>>20479536
have you even looked at what you're linking? it's about generating generic crap that nobody wants to bother with writing by hand, stocks going up or down, results of minor sports events, trash to fill up a website with. it literally is mush.

[Anonymous No.20479594]

>>20479528
well then i've been "experimenting" for hours yesterday typing retarded shit into dalle mini. that's not an experiment, developing that shit'd be an experiment, it's just procrastinating with a website.

[Anonymous No.20479595]

>>20479581
And that's different from the writing seen in this thread HOW, exactly?

[Anonymous No.20479599]

>>20479594
As long as you had fun it's alright.

[Anonymous No.20479603]

Does anyone have any advise or resources I can use to help out my linguistics in my fictional setting? I'm writing a fantasy medieval world but I want the names to capture the cultures I'm going for. To start, I need to research the etymology of names and words. Since i'm basing my book off the 14th and 15th century mostly inspired by England and France and western Europe, I will be looking to Old Norse , old German, and celtic for migrating tribes. I need an understanding of Old English ,Old Norman, and Old French. This will be the basis of naming my cultures and kingdoms. However I need some guidance on rules and such with some inspiration. Any advice?

Also what is the best way to distinguish language barrier within prose? For example, a confusion between say middle english and french english (norman) and francien dialect that became the standard in France later on?

[Anonymous No.20479614]

>>20479595
one is fiction writing, the other one is logging, as in a "debug log" for the stock market or whatever, and they have pretty much nothing in common. why do you need this explained to you? you seem a little soft in the head honestly

[Anonymous No.20479618]

>>20479290
Wow, you're so unique and special

[Anonymous No.20479631]

>>20479110
top quality

[Anonymous No.20479642]

>>20478566
Richard Wang.

[Anonymous No.20479648]

>>20478566
Chang Cockity

[Anonymous No.20479659]

>>20479614
You seem fond of jumping to conclusions, honestly.
Seething is just one symptom of that.

[Anonymous No.20479664]

>>20479543
>>20479581
>>20479614
>>20479618
seethe
>>20478866
No examples of your own writing, huh? Big surprise.

[Anonymous No.20479671]

>>20479603
You have a lot of research ahead of you.
Perhaps it'd be easier to write what you know.

[Anonymous No.20479688]

>>20479603
I have something similar, albeit a bit more high fantasy. A bunch of my characters have a shared heritage and whenever they speak some of the words they use are "localized", there was another word for it but I can't remember it. Things like saying 'ye' instead of 'you' or 'yer' instead of 'yours'. I use specific patterns of speech and verbal tics to distinguish each of them further.

[Anonymous No.20479696]

>>20479401

[Anonymous No.20479715]

New thread >>20479711

[Anonymous No.20479717]

Guys this is the first thing ive ever written since I left school 8 years ago. How bad is it

[Anonymous No.20479718]

>>20479715
Not even close to the bump limit.

[Anonymous No.20479726]

>>20479715
lmfao what even

[Anonymous No.20479731]

>>20479715
>Don’t you wish you panic made a thread quicker edition?
Ah, so its you Mr. "Nobody writes in /wg/"

[Anonymous No.20479737]

>>20479717
This is just bad. I don't even know how or where to start

[Anonymous No.20479740]

>>20479731
Let's let him seethe and not use his thread

[Anonymous No.20479743]

>>20479718
Oops how careless

[Anonymous No.20479751]

>>20479743
>Gardner’s Modern English In Call of the Crocodile, Gardner
>What Editors Claim They Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Scamming, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Go make your fake /wg/ threads elsewhere doomer

[Anonymous No.20479780]

Hello, writing general? I'm writing

[Anonymous No.20479783]

>>20479671
>>20479688
Yes I have a lot of work ahead of myself, but I'm not writing in middle english. I mostly just want the etymology of cultures, kingdoms, and names to be rooted in the cultures themselves to give flavor. An example, George Martin takes Angles and creates Andals.

[Anonymous No.20479784]

>>20479780
Hello general? I'm generating.

[Anonymous No.20479789]

>>20479715
Maybe if enough of us report that "new thread" on the grounds of "low quality", it'll get removed.

[Anonymous No.20479842]

>>20479789
considering how much he's shilling Call of the Crocodile in there I wouldn't be surprised if it was Gardner himself telling everyone "you'll never make it"

[Anonymous No.20479909]

>>20479842
Is Garnder know for being that much of a douchebag, though?
An autist, sure, but an outright asshole?

[Anonymous No.20480016]

>>20479325
At the center of your story is a problem, a conflict that requires resolution. This conflict should be introduced as early as possible in the story, and once it's resolved, the story is over and should end pretty quickly after that.

Sometimes you want to include some amount of epilogue, where you show the consequences of resolving the conflict, but you shouldn't go overboard with it.

[Anonymous No.20480048]

>>20479325
>>20480016
This is true for short stories. If you're doing a multi-installment story, i.e. a serialized one or one with multiple books, you want each book or arc to have its own conflict that somehow pushes forward or ties into the larger story. If its entirely self contained it will feel isolated from the rest of the story, so you need to make it relevant both to that part of the story, and the story at large.

[Anonymous No.20480051]

>reading along Joyce with the /lit/ group
>now I'm writing like him too
God dammit. I know it's just a phase until he gets folded into my general technique but it's still a pain.

[Anonymous No.20480057]

>>20479717
>I JUST FUCKING SCROLL YOU FUCKING WHORE
lulz. It's not great, but it had a point, it was mildly amusing, and the prose didn't make my eyes bleed, so...not terrible?

[Anonymous No.20480090]

Well /wg/ new thread >>20479910

[Anonymous No.20480091]

>>20480048
>This is true for short stories.
This is true for all stories. All stories have a central conflict, a beginning, a middle, and an end. In the beginning the conflict is introduced, in the middle the conflict is complicated, and in the ending it is resolved. That is what makes a story a story, as opposed to a random assortment of sentences.

[Anonymous No.20480106]

>>20480090
Ugh. Not even.
Now he's spamming other threads... >>20479957
Seriously, how does this guy avoid getting banned?
His posts are shitty even by 4chan standards.

[Anonymous No.20480109]

>>20480091
Well, you can have the process of resolving that core conflict warp into a larger conflict.

[Anonymous No.20480141]

>>20480106
Report and ignore. That's all you can do.

[Anonymous No.20480150]

>>20480106
Because it’s not actually Gardner, you fucking retard. F Gardner and Call of the Crocodile have been /lit/ memes for two years now.

[Anonymous No.20480163]

>>20480150
It's kind of sad, if Gardner wrote some half decent generic fantasy, he'd be doing pretty well for himself with all the exposure he's getting

[Anonymous No.20480173]

>>20480150
I don't care if it's Gardner or just a Gardner LARPer; either way, it's obnoxious and pointless.

[Anonymous No.20480180]

>>20480141
If anyone should be reported, it should be the guy who freaks the fuck out every time there’s a mention of Gardner. Gardner is the most famous person who has ever come out of this board. Of course he’s going to be a topic of conversation every now and then.
People yelling at a guy who’s not even in these threads. Sad. It’s like watching someone argue and get angry at a wall.

[Anonymous No.20480195]

>>20480180
Shut the fuck up Frank.

[Anonymous No.20480204]

>>20480195
Speak of the devil.....

[Anonymous No.20480222]

>>20478486
>How hard is that.
Needs a question mark.

[Anonymous No.20480252]

I'm writing a wuxia novel set in the 90s

[Anonymous No.20480275]

>>20480180
There's a world of difference between "every now and then" and constant shilling.
We're dealing with the latter.
It comes across as pathetic and needy, frankly.

[Anonymous No.20480281]

>>20480252
And wuxia is, what, Chinese anime?

[Anonymous No.20480282]

>>20480275
I don’t see how mentions of one specific author constitutes shilling. Might as well ban discussions of all books by that logic.

[Anonymous No.20480373]

>>20480282
More like INCESSANT mentions of one specific author.
Your second sentence is just mindless jumping to conclusions.
But you knew that.

[Anonymous No.20480383]

>>20480281
Wuxia is martial arts with a fantastic bent
Journey to the West is prototypical wuxia, though it's way the fuck up there on the power scale

[Anonymous No.20480386]

>>20477975
Cells, interlinked.

[Anonymous No.20480432]

>>20476752
>main character is trans
>falls madly in love with a cis straight guy
>they date for a short while
>eventually guy finds a cis woman and asks her out
>mc finds out the guy only thinks of them as friends
>mc finds the guy hanging out with his new gf
>starts screaming at both of them
>gf kicks tranny in the balls as hard as she fucking can
>mc hits the pavement and blacks out
>end

[Anonymous No.20480443]

You are given godlike powers, why the fuck would you want to go home on a magicless world such as Earth where the weak attempts to control everything with fake powers such as money and influence only to live a "peaceful life" as wagie? It feels like cope trope that only hack authors who want to make a difference and fail with it do.

[Anonymous No.20480449]

I'm gonna write a whole sequence of the POV character getting into new, good-quality clothes to really drive home that he's very vain

[Anonymous No.20480453]

>>20480443
It's just a cope trope
this video covers it well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MedjuejIJ14

[Anonymous No.20480467]

>>20480383
Ah, OK.
Not my genre, so I can't comment further on that.
But what's the effect of setting it in the '90s? Lots of '90s slang?
"OMG, the big bad evil guy makes me hella angry! As if! This will so not fly!"

[Anonymous No.20480476]

>>20480467
90's Wuxia is Big Trouble in Little China, or Karate Kid if the martial arts also had to do with daoist magic

[Anonymous No.20480489]

>>20480467
>>20480252
>anons reinvent ninja turtles.

[Anonymous No.20480595]

>>20480587

New thread. The REAL one

[Anonymous No.20480613]

>>20480595
THANK you.

[Anonymous No.20480616]

>>20480595
I declare this the tranny free thread.

[Anonymous No.20481458]

>>20480432
I dated a girl once, she was actually rich and passed well until I looked a bit harder after hearing she wanted to adopt. Then I realized she was he. He got super depressed and only messaged every few days, deleted his apps after suspecting I knew and didnt like that. He was super nice and fun to be around but I just wasnt into guys. It must really suck to be tradtranny, Ive ran into a few before that are gogetters study theology or big in church. They just want to be normal but choose the most counterproductive way to do so. What an awful life.

[Anonymous No.20481465]

>>20478884
This is a personal favorite of mine in terms of what I've written. I'm not sure if it's the best thing I've ever written but it's definitely some of my best

[Anonymous No.20482306]

bumping real thread