/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20491920]

>"A History of Wales"
>only the first 157 pages of the book are dedicated to the actual history of Wales, the remaining 554 pages are about mostly english bullshit
>feel like I just got suckered into reading 711 pages of autistic ranting about nothing

Have you ever read a non-fiction book that (after you finished) you felt you were tricked into reading by false-advertising or some other factor?

[Anonymous No.20491941]

>>20491920
Kek, I love Wales and Welsh myths, but they are so eternally butthurt from the absolute beating they have taken from the English they really cant stop ranting about us at any opportunity - even more so than the Scottish lel.

As for your question, pic rel. I was really interested in the mythology and history behind the green man so I picked this up - literally doesn't even mention him until the last chapter and its for like 4 pages.

[Anonymous No.20491959]

>>20491920
A christian tory perspective of early Roman history.
I needed to read something on it, but his take was so irritating

[Anonymous No.20492009]

>want an unbiased history book
>Penguin logo

No sympathy for your retardation OP. You get what you fuckin deserve.

[Anonymous No.20492013]

>>20492009
I-I didn't know...

[Anonymous No.20492021]

I read a book about Medieval Scottish literature, the writer called William Wallace a xenophobe. I mean, I guess he was but it's a kinda silly thing to say.

[Anonymous No.20492122]

>>20491941

The ‘Green man’ isn’t even from the British Isles but from the Middle East

> The “Green Man” artistic motif occurs in some works of ancient art, but there is no evidence to suggest that anyone in ancient times ever worshipped the Green Man, that anyone ever built any kind of temple to him, that anyone ever offered any kind of sacrifices to him, that anyone ever told any kind of stories about him, that anyone ever ascribed any kind of deep symbolic importance to him, or that anyone ever even thought of him as a deity at all. In fact, the figure whom modern scholars sometimes call the “Green Man” didn’t even have a name until less than a century ago. He existed solely as an artistic motif—nothing more.

> Even the artistic motif, however, is not nearly as old as other sources would have you believe. The articles published on Ancient Origins all make the Green Man seem positively primeval. In reality, the oldest identifiable depictions of a male head surrounded by foliage in a manner resembling the so-called “Green Man” come from the Near East and date to around the second century CE.

> One early artwork that has been identified as a supposed depiction of the “Green Man” is a carving from the wall of a building in the ancient city of Hatra, which is now located in the Nineveh Governorate in northern Iraq. The carving shows a male face with leaves instead of a beard. The face was carved in around the second century CE, when Hatra was an important border town between the Roman Empire and the Parthian Empire.

[Anonymous No.20492146]

>>20491941
>taken from the English they really cant stop ranting about us at any opportunity - even more so than the Scottish lel.
As usual the English think the entire world is about them despite the fact no one mentioned them nor did anything to target them.

[Anonymous No.20492152]

>>20492146
>>As usual the English think the entire world is about them despite the fact no one mentioned them nor did anything to target them.
>OP literally talking about how the book talks more about English than welsh

[Anonymous No.20492184]

>>20491920
Had a book about the Picts, but due to the fact we know barely anything about then it was more like a history of what everyone else was doing during the time of the Picts.

[Anonymous No.20492268]

>>20492152
He's Welsh lad, reading is difficult for him

[Anonymous No.20492277]

>>20492184
>due to the fact we know barely anything a
Thats just you. We know everything about them.
Just read
Skene's chronicles of Scotland
Skene's Highlanders
Keltic Researches
Skene's Celtic Scotland

[Anonymous No.20492280]

>>20491920
>554 pages are about mostly english bullshit
Wales was part of England for centuries. What else would you expect?

[Anonymous No.20492937]

>>20491920
Welsh identity exists only as antonym to Anglo-Saxon(English) identity. Before Saxon&comp. came there were only Brittonic half-Romanized Celts

[Anonymous No.20492981]

Got a good ways into the book and it was just hideously boring and only set to get worse under the rule of the eternal anglo

I'd like to finish it, but you can only tolerate religious revivals propping up literacy in irrelevant hills for so long before a man breaks

[Anonymous No.20493006]

>Itt: Anglx Saxxn seething

[Anonymous No.20493383]

>>20492277
asf

[Anonymous No.20493471]

>>20491920
It will never not be funny to me that King Arthur, who is supposed to be this anti-anglo hero, got coopted by the English. I wonder why the Irish and the Scots are known for their unique cultures, different from the English, while to the Welsh and the Cornish have had no recognizable cultural impact.

[Anonymous No.20493474]

>>20492146
Jesus you're either retarded or welsh. Read OP's complaint kek.

[Anonymous No.20493488]

>>20493474
The welsh are retarded lad. Surprised me they won from Ukraine.

[Anonymous No.20493501]

>>20493474
>retarded or welsh
>implying they're not the same thing

[Anonymous No.20493505]

>>20491941
John Cleese said the Welsh were genetically bred to be subservient to the English.

[Anonymous No.20493522]

>>20493505
John Cleese being based as per usual.
He's right though, all the mainland Brittons/Romans were killed/raped out of existence by the vikings/germanic clans, creating the anglos. The Viking/Roman blood mix made them far better in battle than the celts (Welsh).

[Anonymous No.20493541]

are there ANY good books on the history of Scotland, Ireland and Wales out there? I understand that interactions, conquests, and political union with England forms a massive part of history in the British Isles, but I feel like everything I read is so profoundly anglocentric as to not give me any real picture of what life was like in any of these countries.

[Anonymous No.20493578]

>>20493541
>Any histories of Tuscany that don't talk about Florence?
>Any histories of Greece that don't talk about Athens?

[Anonymous No.20493590]

>>20491941
That's because they had an entirely different culture and ethnicity from the British. They are closer to the Irish as a Celtic people.
Why are the British so haughty?

[Anonymous No.20493602]

>>20493590
Because they're clearly superior?

[Anonymous No.20493609]

>>20493578
(This is what Anglx people think)

[Anonymous No.20493684]

>>20493541
The best authors
Skene
Edward Nicholson
George Chalmers

[Anonymous No.20493743]

>>20493602
What makes you think the British are ethnically superior?

[Anonymous No.20493752]

Read Gildas

Celts are the Persians of the British Isles, like the Persians they are drowned in a sea of -20 IQ retard barbarians (Arabs, English) but their superior culture shines through and ultimately conquers the savage conqueror from the inside

[Anonymous No.20493764]

>>20493590
>>20493743
Wales is in Britain.

[Anonymous No.20493779]

>>20493764
From what I've read, the Welsh people have a more Celtic origin. The British have a more Anglo-Saxon origin. You can tell based on language.
However, I'm not trying to Balkanize your people or whatever. I just don't quite understand the haughtiness of many British. I think the best approach is to acknowledge various injustices from both sides and seek peace while accepting the UK has a history that involves syncretizing Celtic, Pictish, and Saxon cultural elements.
Also, we have to admit the British royal family seem involved in a lot of occult and macabre things.

[Anonymous No.20493875]

I think it's a simple case of saesniggers deleting our history, op. I went through a lot of different Welsh schools growing up and there wasn't a single instance of learning about the history of Wales, not even one. It shouldn't be forgotten that saesniggers implemented a policy where they would beat the shit out of Welsh children for speaking Welsh in school in what can only be described as an act of cultural genocide, and this was still happening in the early 1900's. It's still happening, actually. We can reasonably deduce from this information that the based and humble Welsh language makes saesniggers seethe uncontrollably

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not

[Anonymous No.20493886]

>>20493779
>I just don't quite understand the haughtiness of many British
I'm gonna need examples buddy. What does this even mean?

[Anonymous No.20493890]

>>20493875
Welsh is a nigger's language. Nothing great ever came from it. Our species loses nothing by forgetting it.

[Anonymous No.20493892]

>>20491920
Waste of a tidy book jacket

[Anonymous No.20493908]

>>20493886
>I'm gonna need examples buddy
This thread for example.

[Anonymous No.20493914]

>>20493908
I've read the thread and can find nothing, so please direct me. I don't even know what people's nationalities here are so I think you're making a lot of assumptions as well.

[Anonymous No.20493956]

>>20493779
The nature of the English social system meant that if a local businessman did well, he could buy a coat of arms. His son might get a knighthood. His grandson might become a baronet, and so on. All of these rich generations would be sent to public schools, meaning private schools, and spend years of their childhood away from their family boarding with other rich kids. They all ended up with the same Boris Johnson type accent.

The result is that British culture is based on brown-nosing rich English people in the hopes of being let into the club, because 1% of people can actually make it.

What's Welsh? It's something spoken by people who don't get invited to the right parties and who didn't inherit any furniture.

[Anonymous No.20493961]

>>20493956
/thread

[Anonymous No.20493965]

>Reading broad pop history
There's your mistake. Some pop history is fine if it's more narrow (i.e the reign of one king or whatever) but anything like that is bound to be shit.

[Anonymous No.20494045]

>>20493914
There are a ton of posts either calling the Welsh retarded or British superior:
>>20493501
>>20493602
>>20493890
And so on... I just referenced a few examples.
Why are you acting dumb with me?

[Anonymous No.20494049]

>>20494045
I need you to prove they're British, dumbass. Hop to it. You're aware you don't have to be 'British' to insult the Welsh, right?

[Anonymous No.20494064]

>>20494049
I mean, isn't there a history of conflict between Britain & Wales and Britain & Ireland? Why would anyone else get involved in that?
>You're aware you don't have to be 'British' to insult the Welsh, right?
But why would anyone else have a problem with them?

[Anonymous No.20494073]

>>20494064
Because, you imbecile, you're on a website famous for shitposting and baiting. Are you unironically trying to judge bongers based on what you've read in a single thread here, today? Tell me more about that 'British haughtiness' again. Holy fuck.

[Anonymous No.20494089]

>>20494073
I read a book on Irish mythology, which also dealt a lot with their conflict with Britain (especially Cromwell's invasion) and also how the Gaelic language is threatened.
I never claimed to be an expert on this topic. I'm just claiming that from my personal experience and limited reading, the British do, indeed, come off as somewhat haughty.

[Anonymous No.20494105]

>>20494064
Bruh, are you aware it was Norman baron who conquered Wales? Go read some history before you post, let alone judge entire demographics. Retard.

[Anonymous No.20494113]

>>20494089
>limited reading

Case closed kek. Now take this 'L' and go touch grass. As for 'personal experience', you've never met a single bonger so I refer you to my latter advice: touch grass. Good day.

[Anonymous No.20494151]

I think it's fascinating how there are four different ethnic groups in UK, each with their complex histories: Irish, Welsh, Scottish, and British.

[Anonymous No.20494170]

>>20493541
The Mabinogion is a collection of Welsh myths. It gives some insight into the sort of culture they had but its not an academic piece.

[Anonymous No.20494187]

>>20494089
My guy went from:

>Brits are haughty

to,

>Well I once read a book and it mentioned this Cromwell guy who did some stuff 400 years ago and that's how I know.

The state of some people...

[Anonymous No.20494209]

>>20493875
Im English and I learned Welsh purely because I liked how it sounded. I've only been to Wales a handful of times.
How does that make you feel?

[Anonymous No.20494256]

>>20494064
>>20494064
>between Britain & Wales
Wales is literally a part of Great Britain, as you've already been told. Americans need to learn the difference between England and Britain before they lecture others about the history of these isles. They aren't synonyms.

[Anonymous No.20494279]

>>20493875
This makes me angry

Can we get a Garibaldian "nationalist for all nations" Carlylean hero figure who goes around the world rescuing the oppressed nationalities?

[Anonymous No.20494300]

>>20492937
I'm Welsh, love my country, love my language, love my culture, and this is 100℅ true. Genetically, Welsh and English people are pretty much exactly the same with only minor differences. In fact, weirdly enough, I believe on average the Welsh are very slightly more Germanic than the English, and on average the English are very slightly more Celtic than the Welsh.
>Source: idk I think I read it somewhere once
To be fair though pretty much every cultural identity exists to some extent with the help of some Other to be able to point at and say "we are who we are because we aren't them".

[Anonymous No.20494341]

>>20494300
Pretty sure Wales' population is split like 50/40 Welsh and English and the remaining 10 going to chinks and jeets. I don't know what Welsh culture refers to these days, and I don't see how it will meaningfully represent anything if these demographic trends continue. Oh well. I guess these things happen.

[Anonymous No.20494344]

>>20493541
T-M Charles Edwards wrote two huge fuckoff books about Ireland and Wales from the end of antiquity to the turn of the millennium, the former is called "Early Christian Ireland" and the latter is called "Wales and the Britons, 350-1064". Both of them are available on zlib.

[Anonymous No.20494351]

>>20494300
All nonsense about genetics is cooked up in some lab by globohomo analysts to demoralize people into thinking they're all the same. I know I'm Welsh because I feel it burning in my veins and I regularly dream about past incarnations where my wife looks across our wooden table to me and says "You're Welsh" in Welsh. Put that in a fucking test tube, you can't.

[Anonymous No.20494440]

>>20494351
Muy basado

[Anonymous No.20494485]

>>20493590
OH NO NO NO NO NO

>A DNA study of Britons has shown that genetically there is not a unique Celtic group of people in the UK.

>According to the data, those of Celtic ancestry in Scotland and Cornwall are more similar to the English than they are to other Celtic groups.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31905764

[Anonymous No.20494516]

>>20491941

>tfw ruled by wankers
>tfw cant even find a decent culture to get colonised by

feels bad boys

[Anonymous No.20494571]

>>20494209
I was baiting. England and Wales are frens ofc! just can't resist a cheeky scrap aha x

[Anonymous No.20494575]

Are there more grey squirrels in UK now compared to the native red squirrels?

[Anonymous No.20494588]

>>20494571
That's alright - nothing wrong withy a bit of tomfoolery chap

[Anonymous No.20495195]

>Rhodri the >Great
>Doesnt even unite all of his tiny subkingdom
>His work is undone when he dies

The highpoint of welsh history and it was over a thousand years ago

[Anonymous No.20495216]

>>20492277
>we know everything
You must be American, lol

[Anonymous No.20495394]

>>20493471
They put up a fight and resisted, the Scottish were invited into the union and the Irish were ground into dust until the world wars when Britain was preoccupied and with the loss of heart and the rise of America as the global superpower after WWII the Bongs couldn't obliterate and subjugate them again so they preserved a heritage that was renowned in the west, partly by England's enemies and the dissidents from those regions that migrated to the colonies. Meanwhile Wales, Cornwall and Mann are, in decending order of note, comparatively minor in comparison; what's the least impressive:
>A land empire in France that made England incredibly wealthy and involved them in all of the interesting mainland politics and set up the greatest historical rivalry bar China and the Steppe
>Millenia of border wars and pogroms against an enemy along the same border as the glorious old Roman province, inspiring culture and stories, interwoven with politics and religion culminating at a final reconciliation and union
>A few skirmishes between knights and hill men until one king gets fed up and builds some fortifications and stamps out rebellion and enabling Englishmen to take pot shots at the border until pacification occurs

[Anonymous No.20495403]

>>20491920
I've read this. Was not expecting the bulk of the book to be about labor movements but the cover is red

[Anonymous No.20496153]

BUMP

[Anonymous No.20497131]

>>20492122
how does one tell they're the same motif and not just similar to someone looking back

[Anonymous No.20497134]

>>20492021
a writer saying some shit like that is a huge redflag. it implies they cannot understand history and so cannot teach you to do so either.

[Anonymous No.20497173]

>>20495216
No I just sort of read books "lol"
We know
Language
Government system
Wars
Church order
Art and Metalwork
Farming practices

[Anonymous No.20497181]

>>20497173
And the lists of kings

[Anonymous No.20497416]

>>20493590
>That's because they had an entirely different culture and ethnicity from the British.
Many thousands of years ago, maybe. Not today.
>They are closer to the Irish as a Celtic people.
Wrong, there's been so much admixture that were all the same in the isles, which an exception being the Irish, but even they are extremely similar to the mainland.

>Why are the British so haughty?
Why do Americans think they know everything about Europe when they don't even know the difference between Wales, England and Britain? Kek

[Anonymous No.20497493]

Scotsfag ruins ANOTHER thread with his pseudohistorical nonsense

[Anonymous No.20497538]

>>20497416
>Many thousands of years ago,
1/3 of Wales still speaks Welsh

[Anonymous No.20497544]

>>20497493
Yes. Indeed. Three posts about Scotland replying to people asking about Scotland has ruined an entire thread.

[Anonymous No.20497597]

>>20491920
Yuri Gagarin - Road to the Stars

His autobiography. It's pretty nice, but my man spends way too much time sucking off the USSR.

[Anonymous No.20497789]

>>20497538
Speaking Welsh doesn't change the fact that they are still very much a part of BRITISH culture and are ethnically the same as the English you retard.

[Anonymous No.20497868]

>>20491920
Sounds about right.

[Anonymous No.20497883]

>>20497789
>ethnically the same as the English
That's not true since less than 5% of people in Britain outside of London called themselves "British" in the last census. The majority said they were English, Scottish or Welsh.

[Anonymous No.20497914]

>>20497883
Congratulations on showing that you have no idea what ethnicity is

[Anonymous No.20497919]

>>20497914
Ah you're American
Ethnicity has nothing to do with genetics.

[Anonymous No.20497961]

>>20497919
Ethnicity isn't something you get to decide you dumb retard

[Anonymous No.20498080]

>>20497961
Luckily dictionaries have done this for me.
" Usually it refers to group identity based on culture, religion, traditions, and customs." - Oxford
Genetics comes to a total of 1/5 of what ethnicity is.

[Anonymous No.20498216]

>>20497538
These estimates come from surveys asking people 'can you speak Welsh?', to which almost a third say yes. I'm dubious. That's going to include all the people who remember a bit from school but answer 'yes' out of a sense of pride.
Would not be surprised if the number who actually speak Welsh fluently is half that.

[Anonymous No.20498285]

>>20498216
English beast hands scribbled out these lies.
Every other linguistic survey is entirely accurate in the UK ... but the Welsh one because... yeah.

[Anonymous No.20499547]

BUMP

[Anonymous No.20500192]

>>20499547
Problem, haggis niggers?