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Watching interviews of writers really exposes how they are just well connected highly disciplined people, they aren't highly intelligent, they usually have nothing to say at all, watch DFW's Charlie Rose interview he is cringing at his own words

>> No.20518592

>>20518587
>he is cringing at his own words
This signifies self-consciousness, not whatever it is you think you're reading. Sometimes highly competent people can feel incompetent or fraudulent. The likelihood of this, paradoxically, seems only to increase with competence. You're an idiot without even the most superficial insight into human nature. You display no ability whatsoever to look beyond surface appearances. You will never be a real writer.

>> No.20518608

>>20518587
A great writer can be a terrible speaker.

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>>20518608
DFW is not a great writer

>> No.20518646

>>20518587
Have you watched Elon Musk? The guy is a terrible public speaker. But he's pretty smart. No Einstein, but definitely way above average.

>> No.20518651

>>20518646
Elon musk is also a retard

>> No.20518673

>>20518587
>he is cringing at his own words

That's because he was a depressed neurotic who hated himself.

>> No.20518688

>>20518651
Cool your ressentiment

>> No.20518694
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>>20518688
lmao just an observation

>> No.20518700

>>20518694
He's more successful than you though.

>> No.20518706

>>20518700
You don't know that

>> No.20518716

>>20518700
He's more succesful than almost everyone

>> No.20518717

>>20518673
Good.

>> No.20518720

>>20518706
Yeah I do, because you wouldn't be on a basket weaving forum seething with ressentiment if you were.

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>>20518716
Not at marriages

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>>20518720
Whatever helps you project

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>>20518673
Literally me.

>> No.20518732

>>20518700
Successful at what?

>> No.20518771

>>20518587
>"About the footnotes... I don't wanna sound pretentious... they aren't footnotes, they're endnotes... omg this sounds so pretentious... anyway I had to cut Infinite Jest from one and half thousand words to only one thousand words... no footnotes."

>> No.20518796

>>20518646
What did Musk do to be considered intelligent, again?

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>>20518587
>they are just well connected highly disciplined people
Yes
>they aren't highly intelligent, they usually have nothing to say at all
This doesn’t follow; the two are simply unrelated.

>> No.20518873

>>20518732
at being born rich

>> No.20518894

>>20518651
Who in your probably hilarious opinion is not a retard?
>>20518706
We do.
>>20518732
Inflating his net worth, principally by generating publicity.
>>20518796
Constantly scam the media into increasing his net-worth where other companies with massive marketing budgets and legacies have failed to command so much free mareket cap generating publicity.
And if you know how to do it better than him, why are you here? Why aren't you creating a bullshit tech startup, or better yet an actually good-for-the-world tech start up?
>>20518721
Fair criticism, but also, who do you think is a "all rounder" in terms of success? Self-made multi-billionaire, stable marriage, loving children...? I can't think of any.

>> No.20518902

>>20518894
>Why aren't you creating a bullshit tech startup
probably because his father doesn't own an emerald mine in south africa anon

>> No.20518924

>>20518902
Then he has inferior media-grifting skills than Musk. I didn't tell expect him to match Musk for net worth or even come close, I just said if he has so much more intelligence than Musk in his media-grifting skills then he would be actively displaying it in a similar way to Musk.
Which he isn't, which means he can't.
I mean, look at Hunter Biden, the guy has gotten 6 or so "second chances", why isn't he as wealthy as Musk? Both are unbelievably privileged. Biden has gotten not one, but multiple second chances... why can't he turn it around.
It is not an illogical position to hold that freakishly wealthy people might be more intelligent than other people of privilege.

>> No.20518926

>>20518592
fpbp

>> No.20518986

>>20518924
>Biden has gotten not one, but multiple second chances... why can't he turn it around.
because he's a crack addict you fucking buffoon

>> No.20519011

>>20518587
he's just affable, kind and pretentious. Op is Op

>> No.20519019

>>20518592
you didn't have to slaughter him

>> No.20519028

>>20518924
or maybe when you're not the son of an emerald magnate you get zero chances to "display media grifting skills" instead of one or two or six so the entire comparison does not make sense. we don't know how anyone in this thread would fare running musk's first startup or whatever because we don't have the $200000 from daddy and daddy's investor friends that musk got.

>> No.20519026

>>20518986
Why does that stand in the way? Crackaddict or not shouldn't he be somewhere near as successful as Musk? Or are you saying that Musk has had some influence in his own destiny? Because there's a lot of nuance between "crack addict" and "world's richest man by net-worth", it's not either-or.

>> No.20519039

>>20519026
>Why does that stand in the way? Crackaddict or not shouldn't he be somewhere near as successful as Musk?
are you actually retarded

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>>20519026

>> No.20519076

>>20519028
It's not a matter of maybe - it's absolutely not because plenty of people have gotten media exposure under their own terms despite not having nearly the amount of finances Musk's father did. Steve Jobs came form a middle class family. Shawn King is media-grifting, albeit not at the level of Musk. Tony Robbins claims he started as a janitor, even if he was middle class - I assure you there's no emerald mining fathers in his past: he's an Oprah Book club seller and for what? Doing nothing but building a brand.
Also, my point was if he's smarter than Musk, if he's more adept at media-grifting (which he isn't) then he should be able to do what Musk managed with less. If you make a billion dollars and your father is worth 100 million dollars, that's not impressive. But if you make a billion dollars and you're father's worth 400k, that's impressive. You seem to think that it's either the 100 million or nothing - and that is patently untrue, look at Steve Jobs and Tony Robbins. They aren't people who produced practical goods or anything. You don't need to be rich to generate publicity.

>> No.20519090

>>20519039
No, but if Elon Musk is retarded, then how come he's doing better than a crack addict? What's the difference between being a retard and a crack-addict? Both are impulsive, make poor decisions... not exactly "money making" material

>> No.20519095

>>20518894
Oprah is pretty smart

>> No.20519097

>>20519090
rich parents

just watch his last appearance on the Lex Friedman podcast... lol

>> No.20519130

>>20519097
Hunter Biden has rich parents though...
>>20519095
Oprah is a good counter-example does appear to be self-made and even if not she's still done extremely well, but she doesn't have any children and her relationship with Steadman has been somewhat rocky (that's if you don't believe the lesbian rumor).

>> No.20519137

>>20519090
Musk didn't make money. Hasn't he bankrupted more than he has made companies thrive? Last I checked, he also just buys into projects or merges with them before they're about to get big on their own, like PayPal.

>> No.20519151

>>20518587
why does he wear the bandana?

>> No.20519157

>>20519026
Have you ever done any drug ever?
Have you met a crackhead?

>> No.20519161

>>20519026
Being a crackhead is a full time job with unpaid overtime anon.

>> No.20519167

>>20519090
The foundational difference between elon musk and a crackhead is the ability to show up to meetings consistently and on time with proper clothes and hygiene, not IQ.

>> No.20519169

>>20519137
>Musk didn't make money.
For himself, he's richer than Hunter Biden.
>Last I checked, he also just buys into projects or merges with them before they're about to get big on their own, like PayPal.
Last time I checked, Hunter Biden doesn't.
>>20519157
Oh okay, you're right: Elon Musk is much more intelligent, has much more impulse control than a crack addict. It's almost like he's done more to 'earn' his success than Hunter Biden, and been rewarded with a greater relative success for it despite both being silverspoon privileged pieces of shit.

>> No.20519174

>>20519161
>>20519167
But we're not just talking about any crackhead, we're talking about Hunter Biden. And apparently Musk is a retard.

>> No.20519177

>>20519169
I don't care about Hunter Biden. They're both rich failsons.

>> No.20519178

>>20519169
>has much more impulse control
Yes
>much more intelligent
This does not follow.

>> No.20519194

>>20519178
Actually it does, IQ is correlated with impulse control. What I don't understand is, why does admitting that Elon Musk must be somewhat smart somehow such an unacceptable proposition?
Why is it presumed all 'smart' people are equally deserving of their success - can't Musk both be smart and also not deserve his wealth? And why is it that the literal "richest man in the word" by net-worth must somehow be a retard?
It's not doubt that if you're parents are rich it's easier to become rich yourself, but if that was the case, why is Elon Musk the richest person in the world: the Waltons, the Bettancourts, the family behind the Chanel company all come from wealthier backgrounds... that doesn't compute.
It just all feels like a cope to me.

>> No.20519207

>>20519194
Just because he's more put together than a crack head doesn't make him particularly smart also IQ is affected by economic factors

>> No.20519212

>>20519194
“IQ is correlated with impulse control” != “someone with higher impulse control is necessarily higher IQ or vice versa”.

>> No.20519218

>>20519090
Musk is not a retard but he has never shown that he has the IQ of a physics nobel price winner.
Scamming is not just IQ either, you need certain personality traits and luck.

>> No.20519220

>>20519207
You didn't give me an answer: why aren't Robson Walton or his siblings, Charles Koch, the Wetheimer brothers, Leonard Lauder, or the Mars Siblings or the hundreds of scions of the filthy rich currently richer than Musk. They all inherited much much more than him.

>> No.20519229

>>20519220
>but whatabout

>> No.20519237

>>20518587
well there's a difference between writing something and then editing it again and again as opposed to speaking to someone directly. One allows you time to think and craft what you want to say, you can think of anecdotes or references, but with the other situation you're on the spot and have to think quickly. Speaking publicly is a skill few have the time or opportunity to practice. And then there's the chance that whoever's asking the questions might not like you very much, and they can put pressure on you, change topics, twist your words, bait you, and use bad faith debate tactics to make you look foolish.

And yes, DFW is a complete autist and moron who has very little to say.

>> No.20519241

>>20519212
Yes, in other words if Hunter Biden is so smart, why isn't he richer than Musk?
>>20519218
>Musk is not a retard but he has never shown that he has the IQ of a physics nobel price winner.
Can you name a single self-made billionaire who has? The only one I can think of is Renaissance Tech guy. Anyone else?
>>20519229
Not an argument. You know what? Even is Musk was a retard, he'd still be astronomically smarter than you.

>> No.20519251

>>20519241
Whataboutism isn't an argument either, genius

>> No.20519254

>>20519241
>in other words if Hunter Biden is so smart, why isn't he richer than Musk?
He lacks impulse control, but may be equally or even more intelligent than Musk and there is nothing that seriously suggests otherwise.

>> No.20519271

>>20519251
No you misunderstand, which was bound to happen because you are profoundly retarded, but that was you opportunity to answer the question about why if Musk is such a retard or devoid of intelligence so many people who had much wealthier parents than him somehow managed not to be as rich as him, both in absolute and relative terms? You do understand what that means, there's not just Musk, there's hundreds, thousands of people who have had an easier life than you? Millions maybe anon? Does that make you feel good? You know some of those people probably worked even less than Musk, just like our friend Hunter Biden.
How does that make you feel?

>> No.20519272

>>20519241
>Can you name a single self-made billionaire who has?
No, I am not really that interested in that topic but Elon Musk is constantly being shoved in my face as the second coming of Jesus.
Also even someone like Bill Gates is still smarter than Musk, at least he wrote some pretty complex code when he was young.

>> No.20519284

>>20519272
>No, I am not really that interested in that topic but Elon Musk is constantly being shoved in my face as the second coming of Jesus.
Yes, and I understand how it gets annoying the constant media fawning for him. But I begrudgingly admire the hustle because he's a really good media grifter. He's like a modern day Sophist I guess: all appearance, no substance - and makes money for it. It's wrong. He shouldn't be able to do that. And he doesn't deserve to be as rich as he is, because there's certainly people in his own companies who have contributed more. But my gripe is more with the media.

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>>20519271
>musk is so smart because he didn't throw away his silver spoon

lol

>> No.20519319

>>20519293
Yeah none of them threw it away, they're worth like 50 billion dollars a piece. But whatever helps you cope.

>> No.20519347

>>20519319
>don't call my edaddy a retard

>> No.20519697

I can't believe this is an actual thread on /lit/. I know it's summer time and terminally online high school kids have more free time, but this is just disgraceful. Stop responding to the retard and sage this shit.

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>>20518651
>>20518796
>I'm an unemployed marxist tranny and I'm smarter than elon musk because I pretend to read deleuze

>> No.20520222

>>20519169
fuck hunter biden nigga what the fuck are you on about are you unironically comparing musk to a crackhead

>> No.20520233

>>20518592
>The likelihood of this, paradoxically, seems only to increase with competence.
This is what idiots say to themselves to justify their own inability to come across as intelligent.
Intellectuals act and sound smart. Their self consciousness allows them to actually exhibit the signs of wisdom. DFW is just an idiot.

>> No.20520235

cause dfw is a fucking bad writer when will retards learn this

>> No.20520249

Seeing the teslas in tunnels idea come to fruition was the day I realized that Elon Musk truly is a retard