/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20743363]

are these actually any good?
I couldn't stand the TV show.

[Anonymous No.20743378]

>>20743363
they're okay, an easy light read that's mostly engaging if that's what you're looking for

[Anonymous No.20743493]

>>20743363
No. Honest to God, spend the massive amount of time it'd take to read them to read something better.

[Anonymous No.20743729]

>>20743363
>is critically acclaimed and extremely influential thing actually any good?

[Anonymous No.20743753]

>>20743363
Overall it's pretty good, some storylines are excellent while others can seem to drag on a bit so it's not engaging from front to back, still a worthwile read though

[Anonymous No.20743829]

>>20743363
They're fun. The first book has boring prose and leans a bit too much on being a deliberate subversion of common fantasy tropes from the 80s and 90s. From Clash onwards the series forms a more concrete identity and prose style.

[Anonymous No.20743893]

No. They are sub-par. For a better experience in fiction read Malazan, book of the fallen. Is there a chart for grand narrative fantasy fiction? Wheel of Time, Malazan, Asoiaf.

[Anonymous No.20743897]

>>20743363
Why would you start to read a series that isn't even close to being completed, isn't even close to seeing the next book in the series, and will most likely never be completed because the author is old and fat and unhealthy and isn't producing work anymore?

[Anonymous No.20744419]

>>20743363
His other work is better

[Anonymous No.20744437]

>>20743493
It doesn't take much time at all

[Anonymous No.20744586]

>>20744419
Fun read but very obvious self-insert

[Anonymous No.20744647]

The books run circles around the show. Have since even before the execrable post-book reasons, which made Two and a Half Men look like fucking Molière.

>>20743378

The shortest book is 200,000 words long. It's compelling, but it's not remotely light reading.

[Anonymous No.20744713]

>>20744586

A protagonist being a self-insert isn't necessarily a negative.

[Anonymous No.20744728]

>>20744647
whether or not a book is light reading has nothing to do with its length you fucking brainlet. ASOIAF is as light reading as you can get.

[Anonymous No.20744798]

>>20743363
>I couldn't stand the TV show.
the show's first 4 seasons are good, if you didn't even like those, you won't like the books.

[Anonymous No.20744809]

Storm of Swords is quiet good. The rest isn't worth reading imo.

>>20743893
>Wheel of Time, Malazan
extremely unrealistic female characters, faggy and overcompensating attitude towards violence.

You're better off reading the classics written before the 90s:

LotR
Conan
Dying Earth Series, Jack Vance
Titus Groan, Ghormenghast
Book of the New Sun
Elric
etc., filter for publishing date

[Anonymous No.20744824]

>>20744809
>faggy and overcompensating attitude towards violence.
elaborate?

[Anonymous No.20744846]

>>20743363
Read The Accursed Kings instead, you won't regret it.

[Anonymous No.20744865]

>>20744713
Miura's self-proclaimed self-insert is Pippin you absolute pleb.

[Anonymous No.20744877]

>>20743729
There's nothing inherently wrong with asking this question to get people's opinion.

[Anonymous No.20744885]

>>20744824
Just read the first chapter of Gardens of the Moon.

>oh no so much blood I will have to puke
>oh look how though I am looking to my female superior officer with all this blood around
and it goes on like that. incel femdom fantasies.

[Anonymous No.20744889]

>>20744885
sounds hot.
I hope they fucked all bloody kek

[Anonymous No.20744911]

>>20743493
dont listen to all this bs hate.. they are great books.. however if you didnt like any of the show you will likely not like the books.. first few seasons of the show were pretty accurate to the books so if not your thing maybe try something else.

[Anonymous No.20744929]

>>20743897
Wow so your not really interested in any real opinions you just wanna dump on the books and the author.. imma pass on this Bait.. have a good day maybe try and bring something positive and not all the negative energy.. peace homie

[Anonymous No.20745184]

>>20743363
>are these actually any good?
Overall it's pretty good, some storylines are excellent while others can seem to drag on a bit so it's not engaging from front to back, still a worthwile read though

[Anonymous No.20745253]

>>20744929
>Wow so your not really interested in any real opinions
what?
>you just wanna dump on the books and the author
>try and bring something positive and not all the negative energy
what I said is correct. maybe next time try to address the actual issue instead of the way it makes you feel.

[Anonymous No.20745601]

the older the character is the better their POV chapters are, the Stark children are the worst chapters

[Anonymous No.20745699]

>>20744865
All characters by an author have a certain degree of self portraiture to them.

[Anonymous No.20745708]

>>20743363
I personally loved it.

[Anonymous No.20745750]

>>20744885
>>oh no so much blood I will have to puke
>>oh look how though I am looking to my female superior officer with all this blood around

This is literally how all men think when in the presence of women. Have you never been in a fight before?

[Anonymous No.20746665]

>>20743897
Why does it matter if GRRM is going to die of being fat before it ends? Robert Jordan died and the conclusion written by that hack fraud Sanderson "from his notes" lacked his voice and wasn't satisfying, that doesn't retroactively ruin the previous books

[Anonymous No.20746728]

anyone read this?

[Anonymous No.20746778]

>>20744846
Wow. I remember reading about this series and couldn't remember the title. Thx.

[Anonymous No.20746800]

>>20743378
This
It's remarkable just how quickly you read through the series despite it's length

[Anonymous No.20746878]

I loved it. It’s filled with little crumb trails that make the fan theories really interesting. It’s also inspired by sci fi, it’s hinted that the world is post-apocalyptic after something called the long night.

[Anonymous No.20746963]

They are pretty trash but I really can see how people enjoy them. When the first season of the show came out I decided to read all of them that were out (I think the last book came out a bit later but I could be confused, but I also read that) and, like everyone else I knew, watched the show. I thought it was ok. Despite some depth in certain areas it's mostly a puddle. I thought most of the side characters of the lesser houses were more interesting than the primary ones. I thought Stannis was an interesting guy and became my favorite of the contenders (and though excellently acted by Stephen Dillane, I suppose you can only do so much when the showrunners absolutely hate your character). I don't think GRRM is a particularly good writer. I don't care if he finishes the series or not.

I got through them in about a week and they give me something to talk about with others, so it wasn't a waste of time. I do think the "but what was Aragorn's tax policy," if serious, was completely stupid coming from GRRM who has such shallow understanding of anything technical or mechanical in his own world.

[Anonymous No.20747017]

>>20743363
I liked them a lot when I was thirteen but I don't like them any more. When I started reading more "proper" literature I realised I couldn't go back to them because they're just...not on par with actual literature, but they were loads of fun before that point.
>>20744647
Anon, "light reading" does not mean that the reading has to be literally light. It just means it's not intellectually demanding. It's something you might do after a long day's work when you're exhausted.
>>20746963
GRRM's "tax policy" quote is actually completely valid and thoughtful. GRRM is an insanely dedicated Tolkien fan; he loves the guy. He wrote a whole thing about how he used to love fantasy as a kid, but when he read the history of Weathertop in a throwaway line in Fellowship of the Ring he got a shiver down his spine and realised this was "true fantasy". The tax policy thing is meant to represent the dull, unromantic, finnicky and unavoidable mud surrounding actual rule. It's something Tolkien was hyper aware of and hated; he deliberately avoided talking about it because he knew it would bring his romance crashing down. It's the literal fucking reason he never wrote a sequel to Lord of the Rings.

[Anonymous No.20747442]

>>20746728
of course I did. I kinda wish I havent because TV show is coming

[Anonymous No.20747541]

>>20747017
No one gives a damn about Aragorn's tax policy because the book is deeds and heroism not banality and tedium.

[Anonymous No.20747556]

>>20744809
>extremely unrealistic female characters
I haven't read it but it was kinda on the list. Elaborate on this?

[Anonymous No.20747594]

>>20743363
They are very comfy reads with just enough depth to keep you engaged. Nothing wrong with enjoying them but also no one would fault you for skipping them

[Anonymous No.20747866]

>>20743363
Pretty great series but it gets a lot of hate from contrarians due to its popularity and the tv-show.

[Anonymous No.20747920]

>>20743729
Is it really "extremely influential"?

[Anonymous No.20748697]

>>20743363
Overall it's pretty good, some storylines are excellent while others can seem to drag on a bit so it's not engaging from front to back, still a worthwile read though

[Anonymous No.20749073]

>>20743363
In my humble opinion book 1 is good, book 2 is great and the best in the series, book 3 is alright, books 4 and 5 drag a little bit. 'A Game of Thrones' and 'A Clash of Kings' are also the only titles that make sense (insofar as that they relate to what happens in the respective books), the rest of the titles are throwaway and bland. All in all though if you enjoy fantasy you'll enjoy ASOIAF.

[Anonymous No.20749087]

>>20749073
Dance with Dragons refers to Danny coming to Westeros (along with Young Griff)
Feast for Crows refers to Tywin's death and the loss of power of the Lannisters (crows eat the dead; the power of the Lannisters is dying and the other lords want to take advantage of that)

[Anonymous No.20749218]

>>20745750
No offense but that's how little boys with an inferiority complex think. Real men realize women are eternal babies and violence is a sometimes necessary technical procedure, both of which are occasionally enjoyable.

>Some are met with such folly as to believe they can be elevated or degraded by a woman. What does it matter how beautiful she is, how many servants she has, how elaborate her jewelry and attire? She will always be the same unreasonable creature, nothing more than an animal in sofar as her ability to reason over her own instincts and desires is concerned. - Seneca

[Anonymous No.20749292]

>>20746665
and Robert Jordan left notes behind for his stuff to be finished. GRRM has explicitly said that he doesn't want anybody else finishing his work, which means it will never be completed. I think it damages a series when it has no conclusion. obviously in order of preference, it would be
1. original author finishes series
2. other author finishes series
3. no conclusion to series

[Anonymous No.20749422]

>>20747541
That's the point you stupid fucking retard

[Anonymous No.20749548]

At which book in ASOIAF does the series become pornographic, comparing pussy to a Dornish swamp? AGOT was good and much cleaner than the show.

[Anonymous No.20749569]

>>20743363
People who say it's shit, ask them what their favorite medieval fantasy is and you can easily gage the quality of their recommendation. ASOIAF is still the best for a reason. It's crazy to think that a fat liberal wrote them. George is washed up don't expect a good ending if at all. His brain is warped by progressives and Jewish gold. Most the hate comes from people that liked the books. The show was pretty awful. The books are completely different mood.

[Anonymous No.20749635]

>>20749569
GRRM is modern hollywood liberal now, before he was just "i don't like the Vietnam war" liberal

I do worry it's going to hurt the quality of the last 2 books, if they even get finished obviously.

[Anonymous No.20750129]

>>20749569
Based. People that say is shit are just 4chin contrarians and Lotr aligns more with their conservatism.
ASOIAF is an amazing piece of writing and GRRM is a giant lazy cuck, both are true statements

[Anonymous No.20750161]

>>20749218
Delete /pol/

[Anonymous No.20750396]

>>20743363
Easy to get immersed in. The audiobooks are read by Roy Dotrice and he does a fantastic job giving everyone a voice (until dance of dragons when that went out the window)

[Anonymous No.20750699]

>>20744586
>An author uses fiction to spew their own life philosophy
Water
Wet.

[Anonymous No.20750723]

>>20749218
based and correct

[Anonymous No.20750816]

probably the most interesting characteristic of the series is the POV structure. On second reread with context you can judge better the reliability of the respective narrators. If you chose to reread again your idea of what the truth is will probably change again.

[Anonymous No.20750824]

>>20750816
I think that guy might be fucked

[Anonymous No.20750834]

>>20750816
that fact that that POV structure isn't used in any other book is bizzare. You'd almost think george has a copyright on it or something

[Anonymous No.20750849]

>>20743363
it has its moments but you pick up on his writing pattern and can essentially predict most of the books after reading 1 or 2

[Anonymous No.20750902]

>>20749087
This, Storm of Swords is the only nonsense title. Though I still hate that Danny doesn't even come close to Westers in ADwD

>>20749548
that's from a Cersei chapter in book 4 iirc

[Anonymous No.20750925]

>>20750902
>Storm of Swords is the only nonsense title
it's just a fancy way of saying "war" tho
but the same can be said about "clash of kings"

[Anonymous No.20751061]

>>20750824
Running thrust from the guy behind is definitely going through that mail

[Anonymous No.20751402]

>>20743363
No. As evidenced by the massive volume of normies who enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.20751785]

An attempt to refute Tolkien on his own field. For this reason, it cannot be completed without violating its design and remaining decent. Other than that, great series

[Anonymous No.20752387]

>>20743363
>are these actually any good?
Meh.
>I couldn't stand the TV show.
Then why would you ask?

[Anonymous No.20754072]

>>20743363
Yeah, they’re good.