wow.

[Anonymous No.20876523]

just wow. that's all I can say.

we're fucked.

[Anonymous No.20876554]

This has been on my to-read shelf too long. You’ve convinced me to read it next

[Anonymous No.20876576]

>>20876523
>how to experience man-made horrors beyond your imagination in one easy step

[Anonymous No.20876583]

>>20876523
Anti-tech charts and reading lists, let's go!

[Anonymous No.20876592]

>>20876583

[Anonymous No.20876596]

>>20876592

[Anonymous No.20876598]

>>20876592
>>20876596
Thanks. I've been looking for these lately. We should really make some more updated ones though.

[Anonymous No.20876604]

>>20876523
You're forgetting one thing: women. Women keep choosing only the fittest men. There plenty of barbarians left in the world, we are not Asians just yet. This book applies to a late civilization like China, we're still too barbaric, and as long as we are freedom will remain.

[Anonymous No.20876610]

Probably the best book to start with considering it introduces most of the works already listed and summarizes them intelligently (poor Heidegger getting the short end of the stick). The author is also a personal correspondent with Theodor and helped to publish his second book.

[Anonymous No.20876621]

>turns doomer from one (1) media theory book

McLuhan would destroy you

[Anonymous No.20876737]

>>20876604
>You're forgetting one thing: women.
Women are a part of the technological system. Literally a part, the system's white blood cells that maintain the status quo.

[Pneumatike No.20876763]

>>20876523
Pneumaticism addresses and solves this:
>>20876620
Start reading from there onward. You can read the whole thing to acquire whole-vision.

[Anonymous No.20876800]

>>20876621
>media theory

[Anonymous No.20877135]

>>20876523
Now read the sequels.

[Anonymous No.20877140]

>>20876523
What does it say?

[Anonymous No.20877143]

>>20876592
>Other Anprims

Ted was not an Anprim. Ted was not a retarded lefty, so he knows that pre-industrial societites were not anarchist (indeed, they were very far from it).

[Anonymous No.20877849]

>>20876523
Just wait until you get to this bad boy.

[Anonymous No.20877854]

>>20876523
wow
you open your mouth like a faggot when you say that
wow
wow wow wow
why don't you shut the fuck up before i kill you

clearly this is the fault of the merchants

[Anonymous No.20877859]

>>20877854
Fucking bot posts, I swear to Allah...

[Anonymous No.20877951]

>>20876523
Where is the "seething propagandized machine" anon

[Anonymous No.20878054]

>>20876523
>Anglosphere lit
"Let me explain the problem, how it began and what factors it most affects. Now that we've established this, here's the most likely future path and the possibilities of solving the problems given this path."
>French lit
"The world is dying, destroying, feeding off of itself. There is no hope. The human spirit will be crushed by the brutality of reality. Everything le sucks."

What causes this difference?

[Anonymous No.20878064]

>>20878054
they live in france

[Anonymous No.20878613]

>>20878054
>how it began and what factors it most affects. Now that we've established this, here's the most likely future path
He does precisely this part. You should read his other books (and Charbonneau). The solution just doesn't happen to be in a specific critical analysis of the misuse of technique and its consequences.

[Anonymous No.20878628]

>>20876592
>>20876596
>>20876598
Don't forget about Ludwig Klages! Unfortunately there's so little decent English material of him. :(

[Anonymous No.20878659]

>>20878628
no, lmao, do not read Klages if you are about Philosophy through the lense of technique.
If you want schizo poorly formulated phenomenology confused wanna be esoteric you can read Klages, but thats it.

[Anonymous No.20878676]

>>20876610
dont read this either.
It is beyond cringe and written in the american academic style of
>heres what other people said aaaaand idk if its good, useful, appropriate or not
The entropy, Thermodynmics chapter was the cringiest of all.
Read this if you want to be disappointed by a below mediocre thinker.
2/10
>>20876596
I miss Jünger-anon

[Anonymous No.20878692]

>>20876523
I tried reading this but I felt it was too wordy and the ideas could have been distilled down

[Anonymous No.20879003]

>>20878692
it is incredibly dense, but still worth a read

[Anonymous No.20879045]

>>20878613
True, Ellul does present a sensible evolution of events. He still suffers from that strange seething fatalism that seems to define French social commentary, compared to the more aloof matter-of-factness that defines English literatur.

[Anonymous No.20879047]

>>20876523
We never had a chance from the start

[Anonymous No.20879058]

>>20876523
haha yeah

[Anonymous No.20879496]

>>20879045
>This determinism has, however, another aspect. There will be a temptation to use the word fatalism in connection with the phenomena described in this book. The reader may be inclined to say that, if everything happens as stated in the book, man is entirely helpless-helpless either to preserve his personal freedom or to change the course of events. Once again, I think the question is badly put. I would reverse the terms and say : if man-if each one of us-abdicates his responsibilities with regard to values; if each of us limits himself to leading a trivial existence in a technological civilization, with greater adaptation and increasing success as his sole objectives; if we do not even consider the possibility of making a stand against these determinants, then everything will happen as I have described it, and the determinants will be transformed into inevitabilities. But, in describing sociological currents, I obviously cannot take into account the contingent decisions of this or that individual, even if these decisions could modify the course of social development. For these decisions are not visible, and if they are truly personal, they cannot be foreseen. I have tried to describe the technical phenomenon as it exists at present and to indicate its probable evolution. Fatalism is not involved; it is rather a question of probability, and I have indicated what I think to be its most likely development.

[Anonymous No.20879510]

>>20876592
what about this Gunther Anders guy? >>20879088

[Anonymous No.20879539]

>>20876592
Teddy Bear is an amazon affiliate btw, he has his own creator page

[Anonymous No.20879552]

>>20878659
Refute Klages right now.

[Anonymous No.20879607]

>>20878676
>I miss Jünger-anon
He's an eceleb now

[Anonymous No.20879619]

>>20876737
No because the system wants obedience and women like strong men. They hold the key to who gets to reproduce.

[Anonymous No.20880236]

>>20876596
Very based.

[Anonymous No.20880246]

>>20876554
I wouldn’t. If you go down the a tire just rabbit hole far enough, you just start seeing technology everywhere alike how Marxists see capital everywhere and you become suicidal. Ellul said himself that if you ignore the Christian half of his corpus and read just the Technological half, you’d probably kill yourself, but no one reads the Christian half and you probably won’t either so just don’t bother.

[Anonymous No.20880292]

>>20880246
Not that anon but maybe I won't read it then. I already have fits of nausea from this stuff these days so I don't want to make it worse.

Are there any books that cover the same topic but from a helpful perspective? Like, offering solutions? Or do I need to write it myself?

[Anonymous No.20880406]

>>20880292
I don’t know. I think I was already depressed but the stuff I’ve read has definitely made it worse n

[Anonymous No.20880411]

>>20880406
yeah I'm trying to keep myself away from this stuff now because it just makes me feel bad and doesn't offer solutions

I would rather just be kind of ignorant, or try to offer my own solutions to help people

[Anonymous No.20880768]

>>20876523
So?
What else is there to do?

The wish to return to being a part in something larger, to being dominated and formed by nature is, quite frankly, the wish to return to being a baby sucking on it’s mothers teat.

You were formed by this society with technology, you would not survive without it.
Man up, try to dominate and rise up social hierarchies.

Also read this: https://nadezhdu.github.io/cyb-ant/p1.html

[Anonymous No.20880888]

>>20880768
>You were formed by this society with technology, you would not survive without it.
>t. technocuck

[Anonymous No.20881044]

>>20880768
> the wish to return to being a baby sucking on it’s mothers teat.
lol no. thats just you, Oedipus.

[Anonymous No.20881059]

>>20878676
>>heres what other people said aaaaand idk if its good, useful, appropriate or not
It sounds like you only read the first part of the book.
>The entropy, Thermodynmics chapter was the cringiest of all.
Why?

[Anonymous No.20882210]

>>20876592
Who the fuck is ted?