One of the things i was always impressed by with the LotR trilogy

[Anonymous No.20931055]

was how both the writers as well as actors managed to ull off the trcky dialogue that for all intends and purposes should have sounded awful.
Kind of like ROP did it, much more fanfiction-esque.
Not terrible, mind you, but not exactly praise worthy either. I think Lord of the rings absolutely nailed this.
idk about The Hobbit, i never cared about that cashgrab
But can someone enlighten me as to how it's possible they managed to do so well with Tolkien's dialogue and then i; ve never seen it done properly inany other movie again. Never without cringing. Like shakespear monologues. ewl... So how did they do it so well back then.

Again this dialogue in the new series makes more sense to me, and isn't much fun to listen to, so i'm trying to figure out in detail what worked so well for the trilogy, ad how the actors managed to deliver the most insane lines as well as any other spoken in modern forms of language.
For example i can see Arwen maybe pull off that line in pic. And though i don't particularly think she was terrible overall, she here, did not.

[Anonymous No.20931059]

Movies are for retards. Stop consuming that poison.

[Anonymous No.20931088]

>let's use this beloved fantasy universe as a platform to spread our SJW propaganda

[Anonymous No.20931124]

>>20931088
damn, missed that subtext desu
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.20931134]

>>20931088
>they used a scrawny, angry, blond, young man to play le bitter racist, obviously supporting a Hitler-like future against the other races
this is a subtle as an earthquake

[Anonymous No.20931140]

>>20931088
>white guy asking a black why don't they let go of the past
subtle

[Anonymous No.20931141]

>>20931088
Is the "racist" supposed to be the bad guy here?

[Anonymous No.20931143]

>>20931088
The elf needs to read "The Buried Giant"

[Anonymous No.20931150]

>>20931141
Of course. The mulatto is the hero of the story.

[Anonymous No.20931158]

>>20931055
>>>/tv/

[Anonymous No.20931160]

>>20931150
I don't get it. What I'm grasping here is the elf is holding onto a historical grievance, and the humans want to be left alone. How is the human in the wrong?

[Anonymous No.20931168]

>>20931160
>How is the human in the wrong?
He's white

[Anonymous No.20931175]

>>20931160
It's color-coded for le modern liberal audience.
>negro = good
>white guy = bad

[Anonymous No.20931181]

>>20931088

[Anonymous No.20931182]

>>20931175
But elves are the 1% of Middle Earth.

[Anonymous No.20931195]

>>20931182
I'm not watching the show but if the elves are the BIPOC and the humans are white, I am curious to see how they'll get around the fact that elves, ie. Noldor were the biggest assholes in the Silmarillion, at least on the "good guy" side.

[Anonymous No.20931201]

>>20931182
Negrolas is part of le minority.

[Anonymous No.20931208]

>>20931195
Why do you think they give a shit about the lore, or would expect their audience to even know that?

[Anonymous No.20931217]

i really, really like the rangz posting that this accursed tv series has produced

[Anonymous No.20931389]

>>20931088
This is fan text, this isn’t real dialogue. I refuse to believe something this retarded is real

[Anonymous No.20931399]

>>20931088
isn't "knife-ears" an insult from D&D? this shit is not from Tolkien

[Anonymous No.20931414]

>>20931088
All woke shit aside, has anyone else noticed how actors can't act and writers can't write anymore? I can never figure out exactly what I mean by this but I want to say it's because everybody is thinking of themselves as doing the thing they're doing, as they do it, instead of just doing it

Like inside a Hollywood writer's mind they're unconsciously going
>I'm a Hollywood writer! I can put that on my Twitter now! What should I write? What sort of things would I, the Hollywood writer write? Well, we Hollywood writers write all sorts of things, like SCENES with EMOTIONS. This elf should be EMOTIONAL! That's DRAMA! They're going to YELL in this scene! "Damn you, Dwarf! That's just.. a damn patch of grass, that's all it is!" That's how people talk in Hollywood movies, which Hollywood writers like myself write.
and then the actual written script flows from that

Actors are doing the same thing, acting AS an actor WHO is acting as the role they're playing. Not just being a guy, who "happens" to be an actor, and then acting, and then maybe getting famous. Harrison Ford was just a guy, who was good at acting, so he acted. Then he got famous, which got him more acting roles, but when he showed up to do them he still showed up "as" just a guy, who acted. Now, actors show up "ready" to be famous actors before they've even acted, and when they act, it's the way a famous actor who is famous for acting would act in a role. It's the same thing with everybody acting famous for being famous even before being famous.

It's like everybody born after 1990 is unconsciously aware that real people only used to exist, and we're their descendants, somehow the adult real people who created the "form" of writing movie scripts and acting in movie roles are all dead and we're their trying to take up those forms, like kids trying on absent adults' clothing. Everybody on some deeply unconscious level knows what we're doing isn't real anymore. Like how millennials were the first generation to start making cringey self-deprecating jokes about how "adulting is hard."

Even if you just watch people talk normally in old TV interviews and stuff, they have a more relaxed, less childish, more comfortable manner. Is it possible that humanity has collectively regressed to a state of permanent childishness, causing collective impostor syndrome at the back of everyone's minds? I just can't watch any of this shit anymore, all media is subtly revealing to me that it was written by neurotic woman who posted "haha so i'm like... a writer now??? idk ngl that's pretty... rad?" on her social media when she got the job.

[Anonymous No.20931454]

>>20931414
It's because pretty much in the space of a generation, movies went from being a new media, to an old media. So while pretty much everyone involved in movies say 40 years ago was some kind of pioneer(and I'm going to say movies pretty much reinvented themselves every decade as an artform, until they hit the 80's and stagnated), now they're mostly copying things that came before them.
The new media now is either video games, or web content, so if you want to find some of that pioneering spirit, that's where you have to look.

[Anonymous No.20931455]

>>20931414
I noticed that about newer TV shows. The only tv shows I've liked in the 20s are Devs, Midnight Mass, and Animal Kingdom.

[Anonymous No.20931470]

>>20931454
Video games have also done it all at this point. At least the mainstream ones. Web content? Not sure that means.

[Anonymous No.20931496]

>>20931470
Yeah, video games are slipping in there too. I still think they feel a bit more "alive" than movies though. I played Splatoon 3 recently, and this doesn't feel like it's made by people imitating what came before them. Some guys just sat down and made a thing. It's a vision given form, and it's a pretty fresh vision.

Someone like Sam Hyde, regardless of how you feel about him, isn't LARPing as an e-celeb. He's just Sam Hyde. He's marching into this new territory, and trying to figure out what he can make of it all. There's a purity to it.

[Anonymous No.20931640]

>>20931496
Sam Hyde is the new sincerity that was promised, for better or worse.

[Anonymous No.20931662]

>>20931640
Sam Hyde is steeped in irony though isn't he? If anything hes kind of old fashioned

[Anonymous No.20931675]

>>20931055
Doubt you'll find a single board on 4chan that will engage you and answer the question. This show is cursed insofar as that you will not be able to talk about it properly.

[Anonymous No.20931744]

>>20931414
>regressed to a state of permanent childishness
thats the thing, it was obvious throughout the 10s and now it's really undeniable, everyone is like a nervous insecure teenager, all cultural discourse is happening on a babybrain level of emotionally reacting to *guy said mean thing i dont like*, its in academia, entertainment, politics, everywhere...

[Anonymous No.20931752]

>>20931414
I notice this too and I wish there was a name for it. It's all just too referred to a background of expectations that is throttling the industry

[Anonymous No.20931753]

>>20931662
He is so steeped in it and the self-awareness cynicism spirit of the age that he pierces through to sincerity by means of it, unlike all the lower-case weird twitter generation who try too hard to seem aloof but just end up feeling like dated 1990s Daria re-runs. Hyde has the actually hopeless despair of realizing the grunge irony culture sucking its own cock for eternity is awful, he tries to break the meta-meta-meta loops instead of just adding another meta to the pile and pathetically begging for clout points for it

[Anonymous No.20931758]

>>20931753
I'm glad that awareness of lowercasefags is becoming common. They are so fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.20931780]

Okay with all the hype for the TV show I actually picked up the first Lord of the Rings books. It's, well, okay, but there's just so much stuff happening. They go from there to there, end up in different situations all the time and so on. People told me that Tolkien spends a lot of time describing the scenery but I feel like the novel could do with way more of it.

I think reading literary fiction for so long has made me incredibly bored by anything plot driven.

Re: the TV show, I just skipped through it and it felt way too US American for my tastes. Shimmery, clean and surface level. The dwarves are cool tho.

[Anonymous No.20931795]

>>20931414
>It's like everybody born after 1990 is unconsciously aware that real people only used to exist
I fucking told you man.

[Anonymous No.20931864]

>>20931744
You know, Rudolf Steiner said something about how people are literally going to lose the ability to reach certain milestones of mental maturity, as time goes on. I kind of think he was onto something at this point.

[Anonymous No.20931867]

>>20931864
ever read piaget in tandem with steiner?

[Anonymous No.20931875]

>>20931675
you might be right
worst part is if it was a fantasy original it wouldn't have been

[Anonymous No.20932369]

>>20931795
Save me, Bauds!

[Anonymous No.20932408]

>>20931864
>Rudolf Steiner

What book?

[Anonymous No.20932475]

>>20931389
Nah. It's from the actual show. The dialogues are pretty bad and often unintentionally funny. Like Galadriel goes in a rant about how others don't even begin to understand how she feels or what she has seen whenever someone questions her about anything.

[Anonymous No.20932476]

Wgate is with the ROP shilling? No one is going to watch this woke fanfiction garbage. You can't convince us.

[Anonymous No.20932495]

>>20931088
>I shouldn't be guilty of things I didn't do that happened generations ago.
How is he the bad guy? Isn't this literally in the bill of human rights?

[Anonymous No.20932502]

>>20931399
Tol-who?

[Anonymous No.20932703]

>>20931055
The thing that impressed me the most was when Galadriel chained the leash of the wyvern that Thanos was riding to the bumper of the Polar Express as it was going into a tunnel. Then when she smashed the explosive lembas together and shouted "green light- red light" before he could pull the sword from the stone, I was just crying! Much stunning, so brave!

[Anonymous No.20932707]

>>20932502
tired joke

[Anonymous No.20932738]

>>20931454
The same phenomena is also largely true of playwriters and stage actors these days as well, though, which casts some doubt on the age of a medium being the determinant of its form.

[Anonymous No.20932765]

>>20931055
LotR dialogue that's archaic-sounding is well-written. It's also fairly subtle. It gets a lot out of it in emotion and characterisation without being anywhere near archaic or unintelligible. It isn't trying to emphasise it either.

Most writers do not know how to do it properly so it ends up very off and unnatural. You will see this in most fantasy novels. They just don't know how to do it, it turns into this tropey mockery. Recent ones especially have a very awful way of writing that I suppose has transferred to film. Or maybe the other way around. Ridiculous fanfiction-like caricature of writing. Combined with inadequate direction, it won't sound good.

But when it comes to film, you have to remember, good acting is more in the direction. Director also needs to be willing to spend time getting it right and to help the actor get into it. However, there's only so much you can do with the writing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARprA2cPYgI

[Anonymous No.20932806]

>>20931088
>One day, our true king will return.
>And pry us right out from under your pointy boots.
I'm seeing it, and I believe that means it is indeed for me.

[Anonymous No.20932833]

>>20932765
These movies are so good, man. You watch just a small clip and you get into it. The show comes off as completely flat in comparison.

[Anonymous No.20932847]

>>20932833
You're right, jesus. Especially that first one

[Anonymous No.20932912]

https://youtu.be/_i3Ax4YJySg
Does anything else need to be said?

[Anonymous No.20932922]

>>20932765
damn an actual post with integrity on this absolute garbage board

[Anonymous No.20932943]

>>20931753
>>20931640
People still jerk off Sam Hyde in 2022?

[Anonymous No.20932965]

>>20931195
Elves are asiatic Finno-Koreans.
And Feanor did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.20933007]

>>20931414
>>20931454
>>20931470
>>20931496
Films are dying in a way that is ubiquitous across all artforms. As you said, the replacement for pioneering artistic spirit is "web content" and some videogames. In the case of games, I think its more so that they retain an element of charm by being a literal game- a communal activity of fun and problem solving. Very few games are comparable to artwork in other fields. Web content is closer to verbal speech than it is a dedicated artform. Web content lacks the substance and granduer of a craft, as it is entirely mercurial and non specific, like language. That being said the death of our traditional artforms is absolutely tied to the endless creativity and spontaneity of the internet. Personally I think or at least hope its not truely the end. The falsity of our modern films, books, plays, of just "stories" in general, feels more like these artforms having yet caught up to the internet. These traditional structures werent made to account for the internet and everything it means and does. The fact that movies still struggle to even show something as simple as communication through text, having to resort to cheesy effects and on screen tex, is a big sign of how far behind they are.

[Anonymous No.20933044]

>>20933007
Pretty much this. Our current reality demands new stories told in new ways, but nobody knows how to do it so all these industries are stuck spinning their wheels making these puppeted mockeries of old stories. Even in the social aspect, liberals have decided that multicultural representation is vital to our "modern" stories, but they nor anyone else knows what the fuck a modern story is so they end up raping stories made for different reasons in different times because its all we have.

[Anonymous No.20933692]

>>20933007
cinema doesn't compete against the internet in terms of content but in terms of form. it's easier and cheaper to consume internet stuff.

[Anonymous No.20933695]

>>20933044
>Our current reality demands new stories told in new ways
Meanwhile Top Gun 2 broke the bank.

[Anonymous No.20933750]

>>20931088
>>20931399
>d&d
This
the fucking trannie writters of this shit fest don't understand that all fictional universes are not the same
in their holy crusade to insert niggers, homosexuals and trannies into everything they seem to forget that
fuck them

[Anonymous No.20933769]

>>20931055
>Galadriel telling Elrond she's had a worse life than him
Uh, so she's going to ignore that her cousins went and murdered everyone Elrond and Elros knew before taking them hostage?

[Anonymous No.20933779]

>>20933769
Galadriel comes off as a massive bitch. One of the first scene of the show is one of the soldiers she's commanding asking her to please go back home after years of wandering through the most inhospitable places imaginable, and her response is that she misses home way more than him so he should shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.20933857]

>>20933044
good story telling is objective and injection of modern political cancer has never defined it
nobody needs new ways of it, they need social equality or whatever and humans being gullible mega hedonists are confronted easier than anything through these media

[Anonymous No.20933859]

>>20933857
>good story telling is objective
any books on storytelling?

[Anonymous No.20933877]

>>20931389
it's verbatim from the show anon

[Anonymous No.20934001]

>>20933769
>>20933779
Reflective of the writer's and viewership's emotional maturity.

[Anonymous No.20934010]

>>20931752
I call it the "kintergarden-ing" of humanity

[Anonymous No.20934013]

/tv/
/pol/
Every single one of you morons report to the chamber
You never read LotR, none of you morons were even born when the movies came out
And you think you're white and cultured
You're not. You're white niggers, and you were trained by your bong overlords to fight with black niggers so we needed less overseers in the fields
You whine about niggers and jews, when jews are the only readon you scum lot were let on the internet
Fuck You

[Anonymous No.20934142]

The movies had a skilled director who respected the material, and real actors who weren't there to tick a box or because their twitter accounts had made them fail upwards.

[Anonymous No.20934360]

>>20931088
Do normies unironically watch this shit?

[Anonymous No.20934372]

>>20931414

>being shocked that people who have never had life experiences are bad at pretending to be people who have had life experiences

[Anonymous No.20934389]

>>20931752
>>20931414
>>20934010
shadow of a shadow

[Anonymous No.20934393]

>>20932765
god that film was so good
it was all downhill from there although II and III definitely had their moments
what we see now is a farce, a high school play

[Anonymous No.20934444]

>>20931088
Kek, I actually thought about downloading this earlier today but I'll just stick to my fond memories of reading the books and watching the movies 20 years ago. Fuck contemporary productions.

[Anonymous No.20934917]

>>20933859
go0d one, very funny

[Anonymous No.20934981]

>>20931414
I fully comprehend what you mean and I'm glad someone else shares the sentiment. Thought I went too deep but it's real.

[Anonymous No.20934984]

>>20934013
So you think this is a good scene for example? >>20931088
Insightful, brave and forces us to examine ourselves in ways that never occurred to us before. All media should repeat the same propaganda and anyone that doesn't like it is a nazi.

[Anonymous No.20935004]

>>20931414
>all media is subtly revealing to me that it was written by neurotic woman who posted "haha so i'm like... a writer now??? idk ngl that's pretty... rad?" on her social media when she got the job.
100%

[Anonymous No.20935038]

>>20934360
Worse. Some actually like it.

[Anonymous No.20935046]

>>20934013
BASED

[Anonymous No.20935148]

>>20934013
>>20935046
ywnbaw

[Anonymous No.20935160]

>>20931414
Welcome to the Simulacrum

[Anonymous No.20935246]

>>20931389
It's real.

[Anonymous No.20935262]

>>20932495
Yeah but see how right after that he threatens the elf with "our king will return soon and we'll fuck you up."

[Anonymous No.20935344]

>>20931640
>Sam Hyde
He's irony incarnate.

[Anonymous No.20935362]

>>20931088
Looks like they're grooming us for a world in which whites are poor, filthy minorities in our own countries, niggers rule over us, and it's racist and evil if we try to stand up to this.

[Anonymous No.20935377]

>>20931414
Baudrillard.

[Anonymous No.20936701]

>>20931181
kek

[Anonymous No.20937240]

Can any faggy LotR nerds confirm if Sauron fell out of the sky? Seems to be the implication of the first two episodes. Or any faggy LotR nerds know who the fuck fell out of the sky in Tolkien's faggy lore? Or is this some bullshit the female writing staff made up.

[Anonymous No.20937253]

>>20937240
Sauron is a fisherman. Possibly it was Gandalf who fell from the sky.

[Anonymous No.20937278]

>>20937253
Yeah it's probably Gandalf. There's still way too much miscegenation in the show, and everything is filmed in front of a green screen, so the show looks like absolute shit and feels fake as fuck. Way too many mutt characters, and I mean mutts. I'm not talking about blacks. I'm talking about mutts. Like weird nigger curry mixes.

[Anonymous No.20937509]

>>20931780
tf u mean it takes 100 pages to even leave the shire

[Anonymous No.20937715]

>>20931124
Same. Holy cringe. Right down to "you people."

[Anonymous No.20937779]

>>20931414
The human guy's acting was okay.

[Anonymous No.20937816]

>>20931414
Cunt this post is a good one and I'm pleased you wrote it cause I fucking agree.
>>20931795
>>20932369
>>20935160
>>20935377
Red pill me on this mf and where should I start????????????????????

[Anonymous No.20937819]

>>20937240
well he came from heaven/angel world so if they made him fall from the sky I guess it works for a tv show idk

[Anonymous No.20937825]

>>20937240
>is this some bullshit the female writing staff made up
This is most likely the case since there would be no reason for it to be Sauron since he should be in hiding since the fall of Morgoth(The original Dark Lord).
>>20937253
>>20937278
Why would it be Gandalf? If I remember correctly Gandalf should be in Aman and he doesn't set foot unto middle earth until the year 1000 of the third age which is far in the future compared to the time in the show. I haven't read the Nature of Middle Earth so I don't know if it says anything about Gandalf in middle earth during the second age.

[Anonymous No.20937843]

>>20937825
>>20931088
Let me guess, Sauron will be le heckin' Drumpf allegory.

[Anonymous No.20937844]

>>20931055
>watching television.

NGMI

[Anonymous No.20937849]

>>20931414
This has been going on for far longer than the 90s.

[Anonymous No.20937853]

>>20931088
what the fuck could they even be talking about here anyway? men stole land from elves? how and when? this shit did not happen across any age of middle-earth.

[Anonymous No.20937868]

>>20937853
>men stole land from elves? how and when?
The only time I can think that is in the first age when the Easterlings betrayed the men and elves and sided with Morgoth during a battle and Morgoth rewarded them with some land that belonged to the elves.

[Anonymous No.20937971]

>>20937843
According to /tv/ Sauron is the shipwreck survivor who saves Galadriel while adrift in the sea. Their theory is they will fall in love and at some point the man will reveal he is Sauron. But his love for Galadriel has changed his heart and he no longer wants to destroy Middle Earth. But Galadriel goes apeshit when she finds out he is Sauron and rejects him. Then Sauron has an incel meltdown over the rejection and vows to destroy Middle Earth. Basically they're setting up a spurned incel villain storyline.

This all a theory, but it's supposedly suported by an IGN leak and the fact there's supposed to be five seasons.

[Anonymous No.20937976]

>>20937853
If you'd watched the show, you'd know it's about the men aligning with Morgoth. Nice try at race baiting though.

[Anonymous No.20937990]

>>20937976
>though

[Anonymous No.20937992]

>>20937990
>>>/pol/
Stay there and never come back.

[Anonymous No.20938299]

>>20931414
I've had these feelings for a while now but haven't realized it until you put in in those words. Wit that being said, very blackpilled post.

[Anonymous No.20938318]

>>20931780
>People told me that Tolkien spends a lot of time describing the scenery
This is the cope from people who don't have the attention span to read anything more complex than harry potter. Only the third book has anything even remotely approaching extended descriptions of scenery. The real draw of Tolkien is the immaculately crafted world he created and the story he wrote within it. He created an entire mythology (heavily inspired by anglo-saxon/germanic/finnish myths and literature) for himself that would be the equal to things like the Iliad and Aeneid if it'd been written several thousand years ago. It seems trite and cliche now, but when Tolkien wrote it nobody had ever created something of that complexity before (though there were certainly fantasy stories before Tolkien, some of them very good.)