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Worth the read?

>> No.21013648

Shut up zoomer, we both know you can't read anything that isn't a social media conversation peripherally about a book.

>> No.21013665

>>21013644
Read it and find out.

>> No.21013705

>>21013648
I am baffled. What could possibly have made you think this?

>>21013665
Sure, but there are quite a few books in my reading list so I thought I’d ask for thoughts from those who have read it, and potentially generate some discussion.

I suppose I’m more interested in whether it works as a history book with philosophical examinations or a philosophy book with historical examples. Though I disagreed with Gibbon’s main thesis I enjoyed his style and the overall narrative.

>> No.21013944

>>21013705
>Sure, but there are quite a few books in my reading list so I thought I’d ask for thoughts from those who have read it, and potentially generate some discussion.
Then just read it after finish those other books.

>> No.21013950

Read books then talk about them, not the other way around.

>> No.21014129

>>21013644
It's worth the read, but it is so long and covers so much content you never thought of that it will swallow your entire understanding of the world. Take the red pill?
Also his source is he made it the fuck up, don't expect citations from this guy.

>> No.21014144

yes, just so you can tell the idiotic posts by morons on /lit/ who have only watched a youtube clip and skimmed the wiki that they are completely retarded.

>> No.21014194

>>21014144
This. Although it also means you have to explain 50 pages of material to retards in these threads who continue to think the West began with the Greeks.

>> No.21014232

>>21014194
when did the west begin? i aint reading no kraut schizo babble

>> No.21014323

>>21014232
900AD, for Classical Civilisation it was 1100BC - 400AD

>> No.21014340

>>21013644
Got it here, still didn't start, i'm kinda afraid since it's the english version and i'm not a native english speaker

>> No.21014398

>>21014323
so the greeks, or who else in 1100bc?

>> No.21014731

>>21014398
Classical civilisation refers to Greece and Rome, or Apollinian Civilisation since we are talking about Spengler. So yes Anon, the Greeks.

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>>21013644
Yes.
Read it as poetry (as Spengler intended)

>"If... nothing else, it would still be one of the world's great Romantic poems"
-Frye

Reading it like this completely changed my way of understanding it. There are sections of it that I go back and re-read because they are so poetic and have a lyrical quality. I'm not a Christian but Spengler's section on the figure of Jesus is beautiful.

Don't read it as "hard history" or something objective. As other anon said, some of Spengler's claims are based on: "Source? its just true bro" logic

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>>21013705
>I suppose I’m more interested in whether it works as a history book with philosophical examinations or a philosophy book with historical examples

Its way more than that. Spengler covers Mathematics, music, poetry, numbers, the meaning of colors in art, architecture, the "meaning" of parks.

>> No.21015416

>>21014232
For Spengler the Faustian "West" was born around 900-1000 AD.

>> No.21015423

>>21013644
>society has... le COLLAPSED

>> No.21016197

>>21015416
>faustian west
the fuck does that even mean? did we make a deal with devil or something back then?

>> No.21016342

>>21016197
kys. this isnt a spoonfeeding forum so that you can go back to your discord and pretend to other malnurished losers that you read so many ebin classics by giving surface level summaries.
You should be locked in a cage and left to starve, worthless piece of shit.

>> No.21016366

>>21016342
don’t know what a discord is and spergler isn’t a «classic», please spoonfeed me

>> No.21017211

>>21016197
read the book, nigger.

>> No.21017255

>>21013644
yes, but you might want to read the abridged version.

>> No.21017256

>>21017211
No

>> No.21017270

>>21017255
What’s missed in the abridged? Only superfluous bits I take it?

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>>21016197
*triumphant music plays*
spoonfeed man to the rescue!

faustian west refers to goethe's closet drama "faust" in which a man trades his soul to the devil for material desires and as a result is constantly chasing ever-shifting goals, and west of course refers to the societies of western europe formed during the medieval era
put two and two together and you have a people that will always chase a goal without ever actually reaching it, thus, "faustian west"

that will be $399.95 plus tip, thank you

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>>21017270
The abridged version distills it into a more concise book. Spengler does some interesting writings about cultures and civilizations, but are not very important to get the point across.
Especially if you're not familiar with Spengler and want to get a feeling of his ideas I recommend the abridged version. Although Man and Technics is the best place to start, I think.

>> No.21017322

>>21017292
sounds retarded but thank you anyways

>> No.21017840

>>21016197
Amazed that a zoomie even knows that faustian has something to do with the devil and a deal with him.

You are GMI