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21208002 No.21208002 [Reply] [Original]

I am literally in awe of their genius

>> No.21208020

>>21208002
William was the genius. The homosexual one was a mediocrity and a hack.

>> No.21208084

>"James writes fiction as if it were a painful duty"

----Oscar Wilde


>"Despite the scruples and delicate complexities of James, his work suffers from a major defect: the absence of life."

---Jorge Luis Borges


>"Please tell me what you find in Henry James. ... we have his works here, and I read, and I can't find anything but faintly tinged rose water, urbane and sleek, but vulgar and pale as Walter Lamb. Is there really any sense in it?"

----Virginia Woolf


>I read a collection of Henry James' short stories—miserable stuff, a complete fake, you ought to debunk that pale porpoise and his plush vulgarities some day

---Vladimir Nabokov


>Henry James? That's not literature.

---Cormac McCarthy


>E.M. Forster complained about what he saw as James's squeamishness in the treatment of sex and other possibly controversial material, and dismissed his late style as difficult and obscure, relying heavily on extremely long sentences and excessively latinate language.

>> No.21208090

>>21208084
>-Oscar Wilde
who?
>Jorge Luis Borges
who?
>-Virginia Woolf
who?
>-Vladimir Nabokov
who?
>-Cormac McCarthy
who?

>> No.21208182

What about the Moore bros.?

>> No.21208234

>>21208090
Better writers that's who.

>> No.21208359

>>21208234
lolno

>> No.21208492

>>21208090
Read them.

>> No.21208779

>>21208002
Did either of these two ever have to work a day of their life? Genius depends on the opportunity to hyperdevelope given abilites. To reach the highest levels of art you need a quasi aristrocratic class that is shielded from the necessity of wage labor.

>> No.21208797

>>21208779
What this guy said.

>> No.21209435

Bump

>> No.21209504

>>21208084
That quote notwithstanding, wasn't Borges a big fan of Henry James? James has always divided the literary world. There have plenty of great writers who thought he was brilliant.

>> No.21209693

>>21208084
I don't respect any of these writers

>> No.21209700

>>21208090
>Borges who?
laughing and lolling at you on a literature board saying this

>> No.21209703

>>21208084
Provide me with the source for the cormac one

>> No.21210251
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>>21209703
>McCarthy's style owes much to Faulkner's -- in its recondite vocabulary, punctuation, portentous rhetoric, use of dialect and concrete sense of the world -- a debt McCarthy doesn't dispute. "The ugly fact is books are made out of books," he says. "The novel depends for its life on the novels that have been written." His list of those whom he calls the "good writers" -- Melville, Dostoyevsky, Faulkner -- precludes anyone who doesn't "deal with issues of life and death." Proust and Henry James don't make the cut. "I don't understand them," he says. "To me, that's not literature. A lot of writers who are considered good I consider strange."
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/98/05/17/specials/mccarthy-venom.html

>> No.21210265

>>21209504
"Fan" is a soiboi term but yea, he liked some of James.

>> No.21210275

>>21209693
But you respect James kek faggot

>> No.21210333

>>21210275
Yes

>> No.21210335

>>21208359
Yes.

>> No.21210373

>>21209700
>picks out the one name he recognizes

>> No.21210483
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>>21208002
>WILLIAM JAMES, LEFT, AND JOSIAH ROYCE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, SEPTEMBER 1903. WHEN JAMES HEARD THE CLICK OF THE SHUTTER, HE SHOUTED, “ROYCE, YOU’RE BEING PHOTOGRAPHED! LOOK OUT! I SAY, DAMN THE ABSOLUTE!”
He had a beautiful soul. Glad /lit/ finally noticed

>> No.21210506

William James and his "world soul" bullshit is one of the stupidest writer's I've ever read.

>> No.21210511

>>21210506
>writer’s
Kek

>> No.21210513

>>21210511
You know why I made that mistake? Reading dumb faggots like William James.

>> No.21210516

>>21210506
I think you're thinking of Emerson (his godfather)...

>> No.21210519

>>21208002
William was a mere acolyte of the true genius who was his master, C.S Peirce. One of the greatest intellects of all time.

>> No.21210541

>>21210519
pretty sure james on the whole borrowed more from hume

>> No.21210553

>>21210541
No. James was Peirce's direct protege. Peirce introduced him to certain formative ideas and James's pragmatism is derivative of Peirce's original pragmaticism. Peirce was a close friend of James and even stayed at his house on several occasions, and was a closer friend to James brother's father, Henry James sr. The two maintained rigorous correspondence throughout the years. Peirce did not only have sway over James's intellectual development but personal development as well. They were close friends and James was intellectually subordinate to Peirce and knew it.

>> No.21210558

>>21210553
>James brother's father
William and Henry's father lol

>> No.21210587

>>21210553
Interesting. I didn’t know there was a personal connection. I suppose Peirce’s influence would be more perceptible if I’d actually read his shit. Better do that soon

>> No.21210640

>>21208020
Henry was the genius, William was the pseud

>> No.21210652

>>21210640
>Henry was the genius,
lmao good one, anon.

>> No.21212159

bump
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mpbu
pbum

>> No.21212165

>>21210587
Not that anon but it honestly isn’t as perceptible as you might think, Radical Empiricism was mostly James’s, though Peirce most definitely influenced James’s understanding of qualia and James’s understanding of Hegel

>> No.21212177

>>21212165
btw this isn’t to say you shouldn’t read Peirce, I honestly prefer Peirce to James, but James’s world as pure experience is his own idea, as for Pragmatism obviously it was created by Peirce, though Peirce did not like a lot of James’s and other’s understanding of pragmatism which os why he renamed his own belief to “Pragmaticism.”

>> No.21212187

>>21210275
Yes