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[Anonymous No.21299785]

Space investigation Edition

Previous Thread:>>21292894

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[Anonymous No.21299796]

Read The Wandering Inn

Read Mother of Learning

Read I Shall Seal the Heavens

[Anonymous No.21299815]

why was the last thread deleted it was the same

[Anonymous No.21299845]

read it

[Anonymous No.21299860]

I'm still looking for some Sword & Sorcery recommendations. Please don't bother with crappy authors who try to "modernize" the genre or subvert it somehow.

[Anonymous No.21299868]

>>21299796
>>21299845
Off to a brilliant start

[Anonymous No.21299875]

>>21299860
i assume you've read Conan. have you tried other Howard stories, Bran Mak Morn, or Solomon Kane? or Karl Edward Wagner's Kane books

[Anonymous No.21299893]

I think you all should consider reading Lyonesse.

[Anonymous No.21299908]

Alright lads, the Great Ordeal is storming the High Cwol
Give me your best ambient songs to read the last 100 pages

[Anonymous No.21299918]

Just finished picrel. I really liked it. any other kinds of books that have good stories with curious settings?

[Anonymous No.21299919]

>>21299908
Pacific rat temple band - Tan Kim is a favorite of mine. A hidden gem, I hope you like it as much as I do brother

[Anonymous No.21299955]

>>21299868
Is that how milk is made?

[Anonymous No.21300024]

>>21299860
Dying Earth for laughs or Viriconium for feels.

[Anonymous No.21300026]

[Anonymous No.21300059]

[Anonymous No.21300105]

If you could chose a book to gat a complete and faithful film/tv show adaptation, what would you chose? For me, it'll be The Way of the Kings.

[Anonymous No.21300107]

>>21300105
Bayonetta‘s destruction

[Anonymous No.21300124]

>>21300105
mein kampf

[Anonymous No.21300129]

>>21300105
Film and TV are gross.

[Anonymous No.21300131]

>>21300105
IIRC Sanderson wants to do a Way of Kings tv show but aknowledges that it'll be tough to make that happen before getting even a Mistborn adaptation out there.

[Anonymous No.21300133]

>>21300105
The Wandering Inn

[Anonymous No.21300200]

>>21300059
>>21300026
stop shilling yourself

[Anonymous No.21300233]

Vampire Hunter D has an awesome premise on paper but the actual writing is dogshit. Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.21300493]

>>21299785
Verdict on The Poppy wars. Anyone read it? Should I buy it?

[Anonymous No.21300506]

>Posting this again because I can’t deny my urges to attention whore. I’m not far enough into the book after this one yet to formulate anything substantial on it review-wise but so far it looks to be in the same vein as book 2 being more a mystery adventure.

“The Lost Heir” Or “Clueless Dragon Children Bumble Their Way into ASO&F’s Dynastic Politics.”

Am still on my tear through this series and while I did bring it up as a joke at the start I do think the ASO&F comparison is warranted. First book had a pinch of court politics on top but this puts it front and center with it being a standalone plot rather than an ensemble like in the first book since the other dragon MCs can’t swim like a fish and stay sidelined. I find it’s reading level tilts a little to young to nearly fit with the bread and butter of Young Adult. The dragonets talk like kids, their conversations being peppered with "Awesome!"s or FULLCAPS for EMPHASIS. Other ‘adult’ dragons do talk normally though staying at a young reading level.


If you’ve got no patience for a murder mystery plot then this probably won't be for you because the whole book is on the slow side with the cover art dragon Tsunami talking with the local palace dragons to wring out lore details to the audience with the book being all about conspiracy and assassinations with the culprit for mass egg murder being a twist reveal that’d be impossible for one to deduce beforehand though I think it’s a good enough twist to overlook it. After the mystery is solved the war comes to the gates by the end the dragonets are ditching the palace as runaways again with talks of going to the rainforest.

4.25 for #1 Dragonet Prophecy.
4.50 for #2 Lost Heir.

[Anonymous No.21300600]

>>21300506
your reviews are shit
kill yourself please

[Anonymous No.21300644]

>>21300600
I’m a stinky and so I won’t do that but I’d take constructive criticism on things to improve my reviews. Make it if not good in your eyes then at least less bad.

[Anonymous No.21300659]

If you let a tranny pick the "best" scifi/fantasy books of the year and publish that list in a national newspaper, all you get is woke trash

https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2022/11/17/best-sci-fi-fantasy/

Are there any best-of lists out there not written by a degenerate and contain actually good selections?

[Anonymous No.21300849]

>>21300659
No, because there aren't enough that you'd approve of, let alone like, on an annual basis.

[Anonymous No.21301116]

>>21299785
Question 1:
How do you worldbuild for intersteller sci-fi without getting overwhelmed.

Question 2:
Also, what kind of stories do you guys like to read in sci-fi?

Question 3:
What is everyone's opinions on robot protagonists

[Anonymous No.21301129]

>>21300659
At this point in time, all "best of" anything lists are zero effort clickbait to siphon money out of you. Google is actually literally garbage and the Internet is dead.

[Anonymous No.21301143]

>>21301129
These lists, when not curated by faggots, are helpful to find the books one misses throughout the year.

[Anonymous No.21301176]

I may again compile what was read and rated by the /sffg/ Goodreads group of what was published in 2022. I won't be doing so until Jan though so that it includes the entire year.

[Anonymous No.21301195]

>>21300659
> A transgender sailor named Darragh searches for the mysterious wizard who reshaped his body and discovers two sets of stories about this enchanter: a hagiography and a hatchet job. Cochrane’s world packs as much kindness and casual queerness as Chambers’s, but selfishness and transphobia always lurk in the dark corners.
non-fiction was a mistake

[Anonymous No.21301508]

Just finished the Black Company ;_;

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.21301513]

>>21299785
The Castle of the Otter - Gene Wolfe (1982)

I read this as part of Castle of Days (1995). Maybe sometime I'll read the rest of it, or not, either way. It's a series of essays ostensibly regarding the Book of the New Sun. Normally I wouldn't post this here, but it seemed like a relevant exception. It was worthwhile, but if you want to read it specifically for Book of the New Sun info, you'll find less than you probably had wanted.

The Feast of Saint Catherine
Wolfe says that he didn't submit the first book until the entire story was in its second draft. I wonder how common that practice is. Michael Sullivan has also said that he doesn't submit a first book until the entire trilogy has been finished so that there's no chance that it goes into limbo. It's nice for the readers at the least.

Rather than four novels it became, BotNS was originally intended as a maximum length novella, basically a novel. He describes what that would've been like.

Helioscope
His idea of relating Jesus to torturers, which has been copypasted here in full a few times, check the archives, is one that I don't think I've seen before. I wouldn't be surprised if he had many other heterodox beliefs.

Wolfe also presents his views on fan conventions, reader views on writers, what it means to be an writer, and the wonderful benefits and advantages of not being a full-time writer. I don't really personally agree with most of them, but they're understandable.

Sun of Nelioscope
There's some about his life and what he believes, especially regarding religion, and how people believe the series to be much more religious than was planned. He also criticizes those same people who believe it to be religious of not knowing about Christ and being afraid to learn the truth.

I found his criticisms of people not accepting various narrative forms as science fiction to still be relevant considering how many people still read this series as being predominantly fantasy, if not entirely.

His criticisms of those who decry using that past as the future are less convincing, but I don't mind that practice in most cases. Some people really do unreasonably abhor or feel dismissive of the practice. I find that to be unfortunate for them.

Hands and Feet
Wolfe discusses his epigraphs.

Words Weird and Wonderful
Wolfe provides some meanings to his words. This has been superceded by the Lexicon Urthus.

Onomastics, the Study of Names
Wolfe states that his naming rule is simple: "Everything is just what it says it is." So it is. Videogames and other media use a lot of mythology, even obscure stuff, often lazily just to have interesting names, so I was familiar with that aspect.

Cavalry in the Age of Autarch
Wolfe explains in detail how truly great calvary is with math, statistics, examples, and states that the future is genetically engineered calvary, possibly in the form of centaurs.

These Are the Jokes
Wolfe has his characters tell jokes. I didn't find them to be that amusing.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.21301520]

>>21301513
The Rewards of Authorship
Wolfe starts with a Q&A of himself. As a college dropout, he takes a dim view of writing courses by those who aren't successful authors and somewhat similarly of the entire experience. Though, he isn't much keener on those that are taught by successful professionals.

When I read older works, I find it interesting to see which names still have cultural presence and which have faded into obscurity. The further one goes back, the more collegial and interconnected the authors seem to be, but that's probably only because there were far fewer sff writers back then. There's modern similarities with groups on social media, but I don't know that it's much the same. Possibly the closest I've seen, but don't have involvement with, are the authors of the Progression community.

He then goes on to say that fandom has been taken over by those not interested in reading, but rather movies and tv. A relevant term would be "secondaries". Fandom was so much better in the 1930s he proclaims, though since he was born in 1931, I'm not sure how personally applicable that would be to him. I haven't looked at what he later said, but based on this this he probably really didn't/wouldn't like fandom as it is now. As some older authors would say, they aren't trufans.

I don't think Wolfe would like indie/webnovel/self-publishing/etc because he provides a strong defense of bookstores and publishers that states "If bookstores or publishers go down, they'll drag writing down with them." I don't think that's the case. I don't have the exuberance for self-publishing, where some think it will overthrow traditional publishing. I also don't have the same for traditional publishing either though. They both have their place.

The Castle of the Otter
This is about the publishing process, but mostly it's about Wolfe's self-congratulations about what a great author he is. He notes that "I do it out of shameless vanity."

Beyond the Castle of the Otter
Claw was knocked out of the top selling spot by God Emperor of Dune, which he says was the last Dune book. It would later prove not to be, but it should've been.

[Anonymous No.21301546]

>>21301513
>>21301520
no one cares faggot

[Anonymous No.21301583]

>>21301546
This

[Anonymous No.21301639]

>>21301520
I care friend

[Anonymous No.21301704]

Bakker is KING.

[Anonymous No.21301736]

>>21301116
>How do you worldbuild for intersteller sci-fi without getting overwhelmed.
Leave as much out as possible until the reader has to know for the story to make sense

>What is everyone's opinions on robot protagonists
If it's an artificial mind and first person narrative, it's probably shit and wont work. Otherwise, it depends on the writing and story

[Anonymous No.21301836]

Any books for this particular feel?

[Anonymous No.21301842]

>>21299796
>Issekai
>Wuxia
Mother of Learning it is then

[Anonymous No.21301941]

For me, it's East Asian and Northern Europe fantasy

[Anonymous No.21301948]

>>21301941
This guy reads.

[Anonymous No.21302127]

>protag has photographic memory
Dropped

[Anonymous No.21302174]

>>21302127
What if he is a computer

[Anonymous No.21302191]

>>21302127
>protag has photographic memory
>forgets to do something

[Anonymous No.21302233]

>>21302127
>protag has amnesia
picked up

[Anonymous No.21302236]

>>21302233
>Protag thinks he has amnesia
>Actually just doesn't have anything to remember

[Anonymous No.21302239]

You guys read Berk? It's pretty cool

[Anonymous No.21302256]

>>21299918
The Scar ig

[Anonymous No.21302365]

If you don’t read Greg Egan, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.21302409]

>Read the original Conan the Barbarian short stories
>Mention of some sort of supernatural horror
>Supernatural horror always described as hairy or furry, with ape-like features

Is it just me or does it seem like the supernatural foes of Conan are just gorillas or dogmen with magical abilities?

[Anonymous No.21302412]

Being honest, whats the chance of we getting GOT Book 6 before the fatty dies? Is book 6 even the last book?

[Anonymous No.21302435]

>>21302365
Literally who?

[Anonymous No.21302442]

Never read anything frfom sanderson before, should i start with mistborn or stormlight?

[Anonymous No.21302448]

>>21302233
I read one recently where he found out he had amnesia when he was checking out some hot chick on the street and realized it was his sister's big tiddy 15-year-old friend all grown up

[Anonymous No.21302455]

>>21302442
Mistborn. Stormlight is unfinished.

[Anonymous No.21302461]

>>21302455
Mistborn isn't finished either

[Anonymous No.21302463]

>>21302412
I honestly think if he produces a book six it will be so fucked out that his publisher will hold it until he dies and then have it rewritten from scratch by another author.

[Anonymous No.21302466]

>>21302461
Yes it is. The first arc tells a complete story, whatever the author wants to shoehorn it into.

[Anonymous No.21302475]

>>21302409
DemonGorillas are the classic foe in most S&S
Blame John carter and the space gorillas

[Anonymous No.21302476]

>>21302466
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.21302541]

Just finished Mona Lisa Overdrive. I can believe it just ends like that. What a disappointment... so it was all just a series of futuristic heists and other cyber hijinks without any deeper meaning.

[Anonymous No.21302676]

Anyone read this? Looking for another meaty series to read

[Anonymous No.21302679]

>>21301704
>tfw cant get the good editions in paperback
im gonna cry

[Anonymous No.21302683]

>>21302676
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.21302693]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestre_Irineu

wolfe's inspo for inire?

[Anonymous No.21302709]

I didn't know that Gene was architectpilled

[Anonymous No.21302907]

>>21302409
And the natural horrors are always niggers. Anon, Robert Howard didn't like blacks, in case you haven't noticed.

>>21302683
It has a female on the cover, so I'm not going to read it.

[Anonymous No.21302910]

>>21302907
you're such a faggot

[Anonymous No.21302957]

>>21300105

[Anonymous No.21303049]

You should read it.

[Anonymous No.21303085]

>>21303049
you should stop spamming

[Anonymous No.21303098]

>>21303085
you should kys incelfreak

[Anonymous No.21303129]

>>21303098

[Anonymous No.21303132]

>>21301520
thank you for sharing

[Anonymous No.21303137]

>have sex with an android once
>immediately fall in love
damn, is andrussy really that good?

[Anonymous No.21303206]

>>21302541
>he totally missed it
The trilogy is all about the AIs. They're referred to vaguely and sparingly, but it's all in the text and you should easily be able to put 2 and 2 together to figure out the overarching story.

[Anonymous No.21303244]

>>21302709
Which part is architectpilled? I remember there was a line or two in Pirate Freedom where he talked about fat women and how they can be very loving or something

[Anonymous No.21303371]

>Try to read Prince of Nothing (again)
>Tons of made up nonsense words and titles
>everyone is super edgy and powerful and above it all
>Child prostitution mentioned in second chapter to show you how "dark and gritty" everything is
I'm not reading the rest of this book.

[Anonymous No.21303372]

>>21303137
>damn, is andrussy really that good?
Any andrussy ever created will be amazing - or close to it - for dick, why would they create something that isn't good if they can? When you play God, you can as well do better than him and eliminate flaws.

[Anonymous No.21303383]

>>21303371
Crazy that a high fantasy world would have made up things in it.

[Anonymous No.21303393]

>>21300644
keep posting them

[Anonymous No.21303403]

>>21303371
your loss

[Anonymous No.21303407]

>>21300105
>If you could chose a book to get a complete and faithful film/tv show adaptation, what would you chose?
Dune
Prince of Nothing

[Anonymous No.21303521]

>>21303407
But dune is getting adapted desu

[Anonymous No.21303552]

>>21303371
Fiction in a fiction book? I'm shocked!

[Anonymous No.21303567]

>>21303521
>complete and faithful adaptation
Dune is getting adapted but not completely or faithfully.

[Anonymous No.21303568]

Bakker is literally the worst author i ever read, sanderson is def better, mistborn>prince of nothing

[Anonymous No.21303616]

>>21303371
get ye in yon sarcophagus boy

[Anonymous No.21303636]

What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.21303649]

>>21303636
Is stormlight better than mistborn?

[Anonymous No.21303651]

>>21303636
they developed good taste?

[Anonymous No.21303657]

>>21303649
Stormlight is good until it starts beating you over the head about mental health to the point you develop anxiety yourself and going into useless fantasy science in excruciating detail for hundreds of pages

[Anonymous No.21303664]

>>21303636
Writing a book series with books the size of full fledged trilogies does that. There is no way to keep everything tight, without loopholes, and new things relevant. Like any other way too stretched-out TV-series.

[Anonymous No.21303712]

>>21303636
w*men

[Anonymous No.21303714]

>>21303664
I wonder how the final Mistborn trilogy will turn out since each book is planned to be an SA book's length. He's even writing the full Era 3 trilogy before publishing so hopefully Mistborn retains its quality.

[Anonymous No.21303750]

Sanderson is a decent writer, but no one can say he is a talented writer. The guy just wrote so much over the years he was bound to get a publishing deal at some point. Elantris was his 14th book? His writing is serviceable, but he won't awe you with prose. He has a way with plotting and setting up mildly interesting worlds. He is, I think, an apt starting point; a babby's first fantasy book writer if you will. Very blue collar writing which is easy to understand and even the most finer details of books are explained thoroughly. You will never end a Sanderson book thinking: What the hell did just happen? If you are the kind of reader who likes books for the plot but don't care for the literary merits, then go ahead enjoy him. Personally I think his best work is The Emperor's Soul.
Brandon is the MCU of young adult fantasy. Enjoyed by millions but not really praised for his work by those more well read. It is no wonder many like him, like many people like overly sweet wine or bulk beer. Of course, people go for the easily consumed options that require no work on part of the consumer. People will gladly spend hours on end in instagram watching easy videos than watch "artsy" movies. And similarly, people would rather read, or in today's world, listen to easy books that have gripping, page-turning plots than lose themselves in more nuanced works.

[Anonymous No.21303755]

If I were to tell you I enjoy the works of China Mieville and Jeff VanderMeer what author would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.21303763]

>>21303750
Yeah I don't understand people who support one of the dullest franchises in the history of literature, second only to Harry Potter. Each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the seriesüf only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but itüfs certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.
>a-at least the books are g-g-good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King

[Anonymous No.21303771]

>>21303763
>"If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King."
Pottery

[Anonymous No.21303791]

>create reading list of high quality /sff/ literature
>get stressed out and anxious about the existence of that backlog
>speed through everything as fast as possible just to be able to tick them off, completely ruining the experience
>feel sad that I'm not enjoying the books
>genuine motivation to read and emotional investment falls further
how can I stop being such a fucking retard?

[Anonymous No.21303802]

>>21303791
Read slow. Yes, you might not read as many books as some pseuds, but at least you will enjoy them and even remember them. Those who speed read through book after book scarcely remember any details, if even the plot. Novels are works of art meant to be experienced, not ticked off.

[Anonymous No.21303813]

>>21301736
>How do you worldbuild for intersteller sci-fi without getting overwhelmed.
For a story or for worldbuilding? The two overlap but can be seperate. You can write the former neglecting the worldbuilding then build the world around the narrative, it creates problems that require interesting solutions, the world can build itself. The latter still needs a broad structure from which the smaller details can be derived, work out themes and basic truths, cobble them together badly, then keep fixing it until you tap out.

>What is everyone's opinions on robot protagonists
Can be decent, probably more of a viewpoint than character though as they generally lack agency and humanising characteristics or cease being an actual robot, do it well or don't do it all.

[Anonymous No.21303816]

>>21303802
>Those who speed read through book after book scarcely remember any details, if even the plot.

cope, not my problem u have horrible memory.

[Anonymous No.21303923]

Was a bit skeptical at first but it's probably a stronger start then the first trilogy.

It's set 30 years after the end of "the first law", with some of the old characters. While it mainly revoles around their childen. Joe has gained a lot of experience because every character is done well and fleshed out, with very good character progression. It's low fantasy but still has that grimdark feeling to. The world is already set from the previous trilogy. So a lot of time is used on the characters and describing the social struggles of a medieval world that has been introduced to the early days of the industrial revolution.

[Anonymous No.21303954]

Stumbled on a Hyperion pocketbook the other day while browsing the bookstore. I've been keeping my distance to the series for whatever reason, maybe because it gets spammed in these threads. I'm about quarter a way through the book now and it seems to be very promising. Liking it so far.

[Anonymous No.21303956]

>>21303954
Anyone else imagining the head of Pyat Pree from GoT tv series on that bird?

[Anonymous No.21303974]

>>21302907
>It has a female on the cover, so I'm not going to read it.
Chad.

[Anonymous No.21303981]

>>21302683
>Strong female lead
>Female kicking ass in melee combat
I guess it really is fantasy

[Anonymous No.21303990]

>>21303371
There are understandable reasons why someone would put down Prince of Nothing, and none of those are it.

[Anonymous No.21304061]

gimme books like neuromancer and do androids dream of electric sheep

[Anonymous No.21304165]

what if managed to create teleportation, what would happen to the old you who stays behind?

there is any good scifi about it?

[Anonymous No.21304169]

>>21304061
Software by Rudy Rucker.
>>21304165
The Prestige the movie is better

[Anonymous No.21304179]

Anybody read Soldiers of Paradise by Paul Park?

[Anonymous No.21304194]

I'd like to read a story that takes place in the Warhammer 40k universe. Are there any decent books or is it all meme tier? Anything similar will do as well.

[Anonymous No.21304273]

>>21303802
Dis

[Anonymous No.21304384]

>>21303206
>The trilogy is all about the AIs.
Right, but Gibson doesn't go beyond his initial treatment of the AIs in the sequels. There's no development outside of the plot. The story doesn't transcend, it only returns to the theme of emergence, a reaching out to the 'other' (Alpha Centauri AI) just the same as it was in Neuromancer. The AIs are just an inscrutable something whose contours are only faintly visible through the husk of a 3-book-long thriller/heist story, which is all we're left with in the end.

[Anonymous No.21304437]

>>21304165
teleportation in sci-fi is always cut&paste, not copy&paste (unless there is a teleporter accident)

[Anonymous No.21304438]

I finished the Unholy Consult
This final line fucking wrecked me

[Anonymous No.21304485]

>>21304438
Welcome to the post Bakker depression. Reading sit books of Dune fixed it for me.

[Anonymous No.21304494]

>>21304485
>Reading sit books of Dune fixed it for me.
But i just read the whole thing... I guess i'll just continue the Elderlings saga
Or finally read Don Quichotte

[Anonymous No.21304574]

are there any good books about zombie invasions in ancient rome?

[Anonymous No.21304604]

>>21304194
Start with Eisenhorn: Xenos
It's a bit dated but it's serviceable. The best 40k books require nerd levels of dedication and background knowledge to read. For example the best 40k book is #41 of the Horus Heresy series

[Anonymous No.21304628]

>>21304485
Only read the first four, are the sequels good?
>>21304494
>i'll just continue the Elderlings saga
Based

[Anonymous No.21304636]

>>21304628
>are the sequels good?
I liked them, but the post-Emperor universe is fucking insane.

[Anonymous No.21304689]

>>21299785

The pinnacle of pulp sci-fi

[Anonymous No.21304704]

Before the release of <LOTM Book 2> in March, I will be updating a new side story called <In That Corner>.
This side story will be divided into TWO parts.
Part one will be released on December 1st, 2022.
Part two will be released on December 10th, 2022.
Readers can read it for free on Qidian (and QQ reader).
Let us follow the guidance of the Fool to seek out that corner, it has a name - "Utopia".

[Anonymous No.21304719]

>>21303651
"They" don't want to give awards or recognition to straight, white authors. That's what happened.

[Anonymous No.21304729]

>>21304636
I don't mind insane, i like it when authors go full schizo

[Anonymous No.21304773]

>>21304604
>Start with Eisenhorn: Xenos
Thanks for the rec. I read through the first couple of pages from the kindle sample, and it's kino.

[Anonymous No.21304796]

Trying to start on an urban fantasy novella. What are hard avoids to make sure it isn't utter shit?

[Anonymous No.21304810]

>>21304628
I liked books five and six even more than 4th. Things go wild and the story continues. We aren't done with thr worms.

[Anonymous No.21304812]

>>21304729
>i like it when authors go full schizo
Well you're in for a treat

[Anonymous No.21304822]

>>21304812
I can't fucking breathe

[Anonymous No.21304825]

>>21304822
>He can't control his genital temperature
NGMI

[Anonymous No.21304828]

>>21304796
What does urban fantasy mean to you? Most of them in practice may as well be called paranormal detective. Others may be paranormal romance.

[Anonymous No.21304836]

>>21304812
Which one of you wrote this?

[Anonymous No.21304880]

Just finished pic rel.

It's standard Clarke fare, in that's it's very readable, while not getting dragged down in the details, despite the time spans in discussion.

What I did love was that between this and 2010, Clarke has a knack for describing the horror of completely natural entities, be them sub-aquatic beasts attracted to a landing module's heat, a planet engulfed in carnivorous and competitive flora, or the grim spectacle of opaque prison domes housing some unknown (and perhaps wisely never described) nightmare

Otherwise, I've never read a book where the main character literally suffers from main character syndrome as much as Alvin does, at least for 2/3 the book until he wises up.

Go read some classic scifi, /lit//

[Anonymous No.21304890]

Are there any books that do bad-end first encounters really well? Like, world ending bleak stuff. Doesn't have to be a gore fest, but I find the genre comforting, like reading ghost stories at christmas.

Pic related seeing as the movie fits this category, but if possible only books featuring characters that aren't utter retards. The movie wasn't as scary as it could have been seeing as the world clearly exiled its stupidest humans in space on a mission they never expected to return from anyway.


>inb4 War of the Worlds
Because a race that conquers all of their planet then others has some how never developed an immune system.

[Anonymous No.21304901]

>>21304890
Childhood's End.

[Anonymous No.21304903]

Any recommendations for stories that take place at the end of the universe?

[Anonymous No.21304918]

>>21304812
Lmao, Herbert was such a coomer.
>>21304903
Dancers at the End of Time by Michael Moorcock.
Spoiler warning (not really since it literally happens in the first chapter) the protag has an incestous relationship with his mother and it's treated like it was normal for most of the book.

[Anonymous No.21304927]

>>21304903
>>21304890
Three Body Problem does both

[Anonymous No.21304931]

>>21304918
Based Morecock.

[Anonymous No.21304934]

>>21303714
I don't except much given all the foreshadowing that it'll mostly be a Roshar VS Scardial story, and politic stuff is boring.

[Anonymous No.21304975]

>>21303664
Any example of loophole in Stormlight?

[Anonymous No.21305019]

>>21304773
It’s good

[Anonymous No.21305082]

>>21304903
The City and the Stars
>>21304880

[Anonymous No.21305165]

>XIV bros on the last thread
kek, I'm (actually) reading TWI at the moment too

[Anonymous No.21305180]

>>21305165
What and what?

[Anonymous No.21305258]

>>21304773
Unfortunately the books get very formulaic once you get further in and reach the Ravenor books. I would recomend Watchers of the Throne and Master of Mankind later on, probably the only 40k books I'd rate 10/10

[Anonymous No.21305301]

>>21300506
“The hidden kingdom”

Although book 2 did NOT suffer from second-book-syndrome, I feel like this one may have. I will explain this later, but I just felt like the slow roll of worldbuilding from the first two books might have tapered off in this one. The main plot is finally going into high gear this time around which is not what you might first assume with the slow opening and general hippie nature of the rain wing commune. A lot of important things happen in this one.

I'm giving it 4 stars. Definitely earning the 4 instead of closer to 5 like the second. Nothing particularly wrong with it, I just found Glory to be the least effective and my least favorite narrator so far in the series. I am certainly hoping Starflight has a better showing, but I cannot lie. I have my doubts about the reserved and introspective Nightwing being able to carry a novel.

After finishing "The Hidden Kingdom", I think I now have a full understanding of how each character is going to pan out in the first 5 books. Now this is not necessarily a bad thing. For instance, I love how we can see Clay’s eating habits and dedication to friendship will be his most applicable character traits. I like how we now know that Tsunami is the muscle and the bossiest to the point of pigeonholing her as not much else. Unfortunately, all the dragons are falling into their place and struggling to expand much more beyond. Even Glory, who discovered many things about her tribe, and had a chance to really show us her character growth felt stagnant and stale for her future. And the way she figured out that certain habits she had and things the Talons of Peace said about Rainwings were actually characteristic of all her tribe was something I found interesting. I only wish it was spotlighted more because the rest of the time I thought the focus of the book was on situations that felt forced with contrived results. Like, the end challenge between the Rainwing Queens and Glory's team really stands out in this way.

Besides the small bits I’ve already mentioned, I definitely enjoyed meeting plenty of new dragons and seeing behind the Rainforest Kingdom curtain. I really, REALLY, enjoy the rainwings conceptually after this book gave us a ton of exposure to them. The way the Rainwings utilize sun time and rotate their Queens filled in a bunch of holes for me, and I am cool with that. The last thing I enjoyed is the way this one set up future events in the series like an impending war between the Nightwings and the Rainwings, which until now had both managed to stay completely out of the primary war.

Rating for “The hidden kingdom”: 3.75/5

[Anonymous No.21305318]

Loved The Black Company series - loved the magic, the small romance subplot, my insane waifu Soulcatcher - is there anything else similar? Already read his other series.

[Anonymous No.21305376]

Anyone here read the full Foundation series? I heard there's a big drop-off after the first 3 books (just finished Second Foundation this morning). Is it really that bad?

[Anonymous No.21305404]

>>21299785
I just finished The Citadel Of The Autarch. Are The Urth of the New Sun and the next books in the series good? Are The Book of the New Sun, The Book of the Long Sun, and The Book of the Short Sun related? Are the last two cycles worth reading?

[Anonymous No.21305456]

What's some mature sci-fi or fantasy about young people rebelling against a system that they don't understand only to turn around later on as they mature and begin to understand why the system is necessary and support it?

[Anonymous No.21305459]

>>21305318
I finished it yesterday too. The ending fucked me up a bit, still feel so fucking sad. Can't we have anything good?
I'm gonna (re)start Dying Earth or New Sun
/sffg/ can decide desu

[Anonymous No.21305548]

>>21305376
>Is it really that bad?
Yes. It's a very late continuation, so you can feel nothing was planned beforehand, and it basically shits on the whole plot. Also it ties really poorly into his other works, namely the Robots

[Anonymous No.21305571]

>>21305456
I don’t know any books about it but look at 90% of people whining on the internet to see it constantly happen in real time

[Anonymous No.21305586]

>>21302233

[Anonymous No.21305637]

>>21304890
Humanity gets enslaved by two separate alien species almost back-to-back in the Xeeleeverse.

[Anonymous No.21305685]

POUR A BOTTLE OF HORNEATER WHITE OUT FOR A REAL ONE

[Anonymous No.21305825]

>>21305376
I really feel like the later books were just written because he was tired of people asking him to continue it.

[Anonymous No.21305866]

>>21302435
nta, and I'm not lauding his storytelling, but he's the kind of normalfag repellent sffg needs.

https://www.gregegan.net/ORTHOGONAL/ORTHOGONAL.html#CC

[Anonymous No.21305947]

>>21305404
book of the reddit sun

[Anonymous No.21305948]

>>21305318
Elric of Melnibone
Chronicles of the Raven by James Barclay
Twilight Reign by Tom Lloyd
Raven's Mark Trilogy by Ed McDonald
Anything bye David Gemmell

[Anonymous No.21305974]

>>21303244
That and the fact that Latro fucks her later on in the story

[Anonymous No.21305987]

>>21299918
That's a good police procedural but it's too self-consciously pomo to work. It's basically a comic book script or an episode of twilight zone, stretched out and padded with some wonky politics.

It doesn't work because it runs on people agreeing not to see certain real things. In trying to describe a situation that hinges on those real things happening and being dealt with, everything falls down.

[Anonymous No.21306001]

>>21305404
Urth isn't bad but it's a change of pace. I would definitely read it, it will help clear up a lot of questions about what happened in the first books. Long Sun and Short Sun are absolutely related to the plot of New Sun but it isn't made super clear at first. The books are absolutely amazing, Long Sun may be my favorite series in the cycle.

[Anonymous No.21306011]

>>21304689
that cover is way better than the one I read

[Anonymous No.21306016]

>>21304890
Not a book but I really like Prey 2016

[Anonymous No.21306034]

>>21305825
>>21305548
thanks for the info. Gonna read them anyway, but with the mindset of them being entirely different from the planned story for the original 3

[Anonymous No.21306040]

>>21306011
Golly that's atrocious.

[Anonymous No.21306186]

Question:
Do you guys like it when there are lots of things you don't understand in a book? Things that are mentioned by name, but not explained? Especially things about magic and the world order?

[Anonymous No.21306211]

[Anonymous No.21306234]

Just started reading the three body problem and I don't understand shit so far

[Anonymous No.21306346]

>>21306034
It's pointless to just read them as a continuation of Foundation. You need to read the robot detective novels at least, and it's helpful to round it out with the galactic empire books. There are actual characters from the robot books who are referenced in the later foundation books and you won't have any idea who they are.

[Anonymous No.21306382]

>>21304890
Forge of God is exactly what you're after. It's sequel is also very good and also matches your requirement but in a different way.

[Anonymous No.21306533]

[Anonymous No.21306673]

>>21306533
me on the left

[Anonymous No.21306741]

i recently read the second book of this trilogy, broken angels, and didn't enjoy it as much as altered carbon. the first half of it was pretty tough to get through. meaningless sex, the schtick of neurachem and envoy intution becoming tedious and the overall plot not as interesting. world building was alright though. is the third book, woken furies, worth it?

[Anonymous No.21306796]

>>21306741
>meaningless sex
In a book? Oh good heavens are you ok

[Anonymous No.21306816]

>>21306796
i don't have a problem, it just did nothing for the story. it was like the author had to chance to get his self insert laid and it was painful to read. an entire chapter of VR sex on a beach.

[Anonymous No.21306820]

>>21306816
I can see why this would be so shocking and upsetting to a lifetime virgin like yourself

[Anonymous No.21306830]

>>21306820
do you have anything meaningful to say or just here to antagonize?

[Anonymous No.21306836]

>>21306830
>do you have anything meaningful to say or just here to antagonize?
This sums up most exchanges on /sffg/. Sad!

[Anonymous No.21306843]

>>21306796
>>21306820
hurr muh dik

[Anonymous No.21306854]

>>21306741
>is the third book, woken furies, worth it?
yes. it's much more like the 1st than the piss-poor 2nd.

[Anonymous No.21306940]

>Read Stormlight 1 and 2
>it's good
>filtered by Oathbringer
>decide to try Mistborn
>it's Marvel movie tier generic garbage
I'm done with Sanderson

[Anonymous No.21306978]

>>21306940
bro? try reading again

[Anonymous No.21307005]

>>21306940
Elantris was the only one I ever liked.

[Anonymous No.21307108]

>>21303567
Okay, don't kill me but, who is the 3rd face?

[Anonymous No.21307129]

>>21307108
Sorry, I know now. But no, fuck Dun(g)e. That sport belongs to Martin.

[Anonymous No.21307168]

How the absolute fuck do.you get filtered by Sanderson lmfao

[Anonymous No.21307190]

>>21307168
Patrician filtered?

[Anonymous No.21307196]

Read The Spirit Phone...

[Anonymous No.21307204]

>>21307168
>start reading a book
>turns out it's shit
>stop reading the book
That's how.

[Anonymous No.21307209]

>>21307168
>Get finished with the prologue
>There's another prologue
Into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.21307230]

>>21307209
kek

[Anonymous No.21307257]

>>21306940
But Oathbringer is clearly the best out of the four

[Anonymous No.21307320]

>>21301508
You just KNOW she sits on that stone dick all the time

[Anonymous No.21307323]

>>21306854
thanks! i'll palate cleanse with something and pick it up sometime.

[Anonymous No.21307364]

>>21307320
god I wish that were me

[Anonymous No.21307368]

>>21305318
The Black Company IN SPAAAAAAACE

[Anonymous No.21307371]

>>21307368
tell me about its waifus

[Anonymous No.21307377]

>>21304890
try Blindsight if you haven't, I think you'd like it

[Anonymous No.21307386]

>>21306186
yeah i love books that drop you in headfirst and let you catch up, piece things together as you follow the story

[Anonymous No.21307404]

Does anyone else get tired when reading? Like, I want to read but I'll get a few pages in then start yawning and feeling myself slightly doze off.

[Anonymous No.21307417]

>>21307404
Get more sleep fren. Sleep is vital to all bodily and mental functions, like water.

[Anonymous No.21307423]

>>21299785
I don't like the composition of the wheelie bit

[Anonymous No.21307433]

Why is every OP image for this general some generic pixelated bullshit drawn on an iPad? Is this thread run by bots?

[Anonymous No.21307442]

>>21307433
Why are you so pressed?
>bot
Fucking zoomer faggot

[Anonymous No.21307443]

>>21307442
>t. OP

[Anonymous No.21307445]

>>21307433
every post here is from me. even your post, it arrived in my inbox and i quickly typed it out before the thread refreshed. even you are not real. only i am

[Anonymous No.21307501]

>>21304890
Blindopraxia

[Anonymous No.21307504]

>>21307404
I use reading as a tool to fall asleep quicker. I remember falling asleep like 6 times before I ended up finishing the first Cradle book

[Anonymous No.21307524]

>>21307504
The prose isn't difficult. You can read the whole series in a week. Unless...

[Anonymous No.21307545]

>>21307524
Yeah nothing was really interesting or compelling by that point. Later I went on like a 12 hour binge for books 4-8.
The Way of Kings? That was a real snoozefest. Got at least a month's worth of sleep from it.

[Anonymous No.21307626]

>>21302409
Writing in an age when most people couldn't even afford to go to a zoo or have a decent education made things easier to describe magical otherworldly shit.

[Anonymous No.21307806]

Lord of the Mysteries is starting to get interesting, shame that it's still written by an elementary schooler.

[Anonymous No.21307831]

I can't believe it ended in salt and butchery.

[Anonymous No.21307844]

>>21306741
I only read the first book and it was terrible, it is one of those rare cases where tv show(season 1) was better than a book

[Anonymous No.21307854]

>>21307844
The first season was kino as fuck, not an inch of fat. They fucked up big in the second though.

I loved the start of the book but it did seem to drift off. Too many high concepts and Morgan can't use them efficiently.

[Anonymous No.21307970]

>>21307844
>>21307854
the series took one of the most impressive nosedives in quality I've ever witnessed, right when the sister turns up.
how anybody can like it is a mystery to me.

there's just so many dumb and unnecessary changes, like making the Envoys rebels or making Quellcrist the inventor of cortical stacks.

[Anonymous No.21308005]

I am 3/5 into The Great Hunt and it is barely better than The Eye of The World.
Absolute snoozefest, the failed "heist" was only the mildly enjoyable part so far.
Characters barely ever take initiative, things just kinda happen and they play along with it.

[Anonymous No.21308016]

Is it even worth reading a song of ice and fire? i dont see big man finishing this shit

[Anonymous No.21308026]

>>21308005
It's not until towards the end of the Great Hunt that the main characters really start to take their own initiative. To be honest, Eye of the World and the Great Hunt should have been edited down to a single book, but having huge doorstoppers was the trend when these books were published, so it is what it is. My personal opinion has always been that the series doesn't hit its stride until book 3. I was bordering on dropping it until towards the end of book 2 when I first read it.

All I can say is stick it out until you get to some of the chapters told from the PoV of Mat early in book 3, they are part of a pretty significant shift in how the series really presents itself.

[Anonymous No.21308042]

>breaking in new book
>accidently see a major spoiler
god damnit

[Anonymous No.21308052]

>>21308026
I might have to switch to audiobooks at this read.
It is just a chore to read right now.

[Anonymous No.21308097]

>>21307970
Ok, Quellcrest and the sister tryto slow the story down, and I think that episode set in the past is like 7/8? But after that we're into the last 2 episodes. The ending wad great, and they shiuld have left it there.

[Anonymous No.21308226]

Just finished the First Law series and the Black Company, looking for other similar series with good and interesting characters. Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.21308252]

Read anything interesting lately?

[Anonymous No.21308256]

>>21308226
The Wandering Inn
Cradle
Game of Thrones
Prince of Thorns

[Anonymous No.21308294]

>>21301513
>>21301520
I've pirated this a few days ago and I'll definitely look into it. I have the same feelings towards Dune as GW had. If only Gene wrote Dune instead of Frank. Maybe it would actually be loveable.

[Anonymous No.21308316]

>>21303137
Humans aren't designed for pleasure. Androids will be.
>>21303954
Hyperion is really cool, just remember it gets worse with every book and it won't make sense to stop mid way.
>>21304165
Read Stars My Destination. They find out humans could teleport all along, they just didn't know how and redesign civilization to match their newfound ability.
>>21308252
Pastel City. It was like Dying Earth, but sad.

[Anonymous No.21308402]

>>21306830
No unmeaningful sex scenes, no unmeaningful posts, you’re all about necessity. No excess for you. I bet you’re not fat at ALL.

[Anonymous No.21308638]

>>21308294
To clarify this point, Wolfe called Dune "classy". That essay was published before it was known there would be more books. The opinion that there shouldn't have been more is mine, not Wolfe's, at least not from that essay anyway.

[Anonymous No.21308649]

>>21299845
I did, it was bad

[Anonymous No.21308651]

>>21308005
Jesus. If you're bored already, stop. The slog is so much worse.

[Anonymous No.21308754]

>>21307257
I dropped Sanderson as an author after oathbringer too. Him padding his books, and dropping stuff people want to read to write YA girl power in space books was the second to last nail in the coffin.

[Anonymous No.21308774]

>>21307970
i agree. the boss queen elliot's daughter addition, on top of her being incredibly unattractive(we're to believe bancroft was into her? lol), ruined it for me. i did like poe as a character though.

[Anonymous No.21308784]

>>21299785
Has anyone here read any Faction Paradox?

[Anonymous No.21308787]

>>21308638
Ah, I was retarded. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.21308814]

Are there any recommended reading charts for Mystery/Thrillers? I only know of Arthur Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie. Didn't see any in the mega.

[Anonymous No.21308869]

>>21307501

[Anonymous No.21308979]

any recs on where to find some decent summaries on Malazan? I think I read up to Toll the Hounds. Feels like a huge effort to get even partially back on track. Probably the worst series to take a break from...

[Anonymous No.21309029]

>>21306673
this, furniggers should lean in instead of half assing their fetish

[Anonymous No.21309071]

Is Alex Verus any good? I tried Dresden and it was too horny for me.

[Anonymous No.21309138]

>>21308979
> Probably the worst series to take a break from...
It's just a bad series. I honestly don't understand what people recommend it.

[Anonymous No.21309145]

>>21304812
>write a book about jihad and fatalism and destroying desert ecosystems and cynical politicking
>turn it into a story about a worm philosopher king who plots against himself and falls in love
>turn it into pure coomer fantasies
I get the messages of Dune but what the fuck is Herbert trying to tell us with the series as a whole? I haven't read anything after God-Emperor.

[Anonymous No.21309157]

I keep going to book stores to "surprise myself" and pick up something new randomly but every time I just walk out in disgust when I see that 90% of the books in the fantasy section are YA shit written by women. Discovery is fucking dead, you can't just happen upon something good anymore you have to find it online or by word of mouth and then order it online.

[Anonymous No.21309172]

>>21299845
I read it, and it sucked balls. Just another woman that sucked off the right men to get her crappy book published.

[Anonymous No.21309190]

>>21309157
> 90% of the books in the fantasy section are YA shit written by women
Because that what sells. The majority of fantasy readers are now women.

[Anonymous No.21309206]

>>21309157
indeed, feels bad. I went to gooreads (a mistake, I know) hoping to discover something interesting, but its just all YA heros journey book #4 out of 15 garbage. I wish I could enjoy that stuff even as pure escapism but alas.

Feels really bad to more or less have ran out of things to read on a genre with little hope of anything really good suddenly being published.

[Anonymous No.21309253]

>>21309206
That's why self publishing now exists.

[Anonymous No.21309297]

>>21307168
I think all the female characters are poorly written but people just say I'm being filtered

[Anonymous No.21309305]

>>21307168
I don't care for books with Female POVs

[Anonymous No.21309321]

>>21309190
>women have poor taste
>women are the biggest consumers
>writers appeal to women to move units
>quality of books is poor as a result
Is that the gist of it? I don't see how that cycle can be broken.

[Anonymous No.21309327]

>>21309157
Read fantasy published before 2010

[Anonymous No.21309330]

>>21303954
Don't listen to that anon. The second book is a good place to stop.

[Anonymous No.21309333]

>>21309321
self published writers who somehow get found out and sine a little bit of light to the darkness that is current YA hell

[Anonymous No.21309335]

>>21309321
concentrated content delivery
self publish has low barrier of entry, which means you don't need high revenue to make profit, thus all niches are pandered to by authors with their small pockets of community.

[Anonymous No.21309337]

>>21300105
I also choose Way of Kings. Not because I like Sanderson. But because I don't want a book I like to be bastardized by Hollywood.

[Anonymous No.21309341]

>>21309157
Read Guy Gavriel Kay if you haven't already.

[Anonymous No.21309342]

>>21309321
why is that dog looking sad

[Anonymous No.21309344]

>>21309333
Checked and true. If you want the good stuff you either have to sift through the muck of self publishing or read older novels.

[Anonymous No.21309370]

>>21309321
Yeah that about sums it up. You ever try looking up writing tips on youtube? It's 99% cat ladies, and when you look up the novels they wrote it's all soulless ya trash.

[Anonymous No.21309406]

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1669578382187517.webm

[Anonymous No.21309487]

>>21308979
the wiki's the only thing that can be recommended for this and even then they miss certain details but for the raw essentials it suffices.

>>21309138
>don't understand what people recommend it.
no reason not to like it if you actually enjoy fantasy

[Anonymous No.21309488]

>>21308979
There was a TOR reread a while back and they basically summarize each chapter.

[Anonymous No.21309501]

>>21308005
You were warned.

[Anonymous No.21309522]

*puts 1000000 literary references in his book*
*forgets about plot*

[Anonymous No.21309527]

>>21309321
I think it's worse than that. I don't know any published authors but I know people who write for TV and you just have to include DEI content (or be a DEI rep) or don't bother pitching it. I wouldn't doubt the same gatekeeping exists in traditional publishing, since the content took the same turn at the same time.

[Anonymous No.21309560]

>>21309522
Filtered. Plotfags will never learn.

[Anonymous No.21309569]

>>21309190
Last I heard, fantasy and sci-fi are the only genres where the majority of readers are still male.

[Anonymous No.21309570]

>>21309321
Beat women

[Anonymous No.21309571]

I'm trying to write some shit fantasy lore in English to challenge myself since its not my native language. I'd like to go for a dark fantasy style where a piece of land the size of New York is floating like an island in nothingness. No one knows how or why but that's how it is (everything would be done from the inhabitants' point of view)

This setting should be depressing, people struggling to gather resources in this world, survive against unnatural phenomenons and so on.

Any good books to read or general recommendations for this ? Even short stories.

To give a quick example, Mordheim from the warhammer franchise is a strong starting point for the overall atmosphere I'm trying to create.

[Anonymous No.21309572]

>>21309569
hmm...
is that why I prefer sci-fi over fantasy?

[Anonymous No.21309622]

>>21309157
Don't know where you're shopping, both chain and indie shops' scifi and fantasy sections are filled with old dead authors to maximise profits.

The "Fiction" section is filled with women, but who gives a fuck about that boring shit.

[Anonymous No.21309636]

>>21309206
What do you consider to be good sff?

[Anonymous No.21309681]

>>21309522
Just when I thought Hyperion couldn't get any better the Poet chapter came.

[Anonymous No.21310206]

Someone here reccd me dragon masters by Vance earlier this week. I really enjoyed the plot and especially the sacerdotes were cool. I didn’t really enjoy the action scenes though. Most battle scenes in general seem hard to follow and repetitive to me since it doesn’t really move the plot forward or explain history etc. I assume since I liked this I will like dying earth?

[Anonymous No.21310264]

>>21309522
*creates top tier worlds*
*adds pictures of Hitler fucking kids in the plot*

[Anonymous No.21310281]

>>21310206
Definitely. Dragon Masters is pretty low on the Vance tier list.

[Anonymous No.21310315]

>>21307209
Absolute chad

[Anonymous No.21310356]

>>21309522
I knew Dan was crazy when the soldier started fucking femshrike and nearly got his penis cut off while ejaculating. This is what Dan considers fit to print

[Anonymous No.21310376]

>>21310356
Sounds profoundly based.

[Anonymous No.21310379]

>>21310356
What's the issue?

[Anonymous No.21310393]

>>21310356
Is that the spiky ayy on the cover? I've never read Hyperion, but if that's true then now I don't need to. Many thanks, king.

[Anonymous No.21310409]

>>21310379
Its garbage.

[Anonymous No.21310419]

>>21310409
Stick to Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.21310428]

Need something like Bakker asap

[Anonymous No.21310474]

>>21310393
Let many shitposts it's technically true but also completely wrong when taken out of context.

[Anonymous No.21310514]

>>21310419
Also garbage.

[Anonymous No.21310557]

My uncle and I were talking about old Sci-fi shows and he mentioned "Space: Above and Beyond" (1995). It ended prematurely (like a lot of sci-fi shows) but I just found out there are five books in the series. I'm wondering if anyone has read them or could recommend them?

[Anonymous No.21310690]

>>21310428
have sex

[Anonymous No.21310729]

3/4 of the way through The Darkness that comes Before (just passed the segment 'The Warrior'/The bit after Serwe appears) and find Kelhus horribly boring, every situation with him outside of interactions with Cnaiur feel incredibly predictable. Am I getting filtered or is this annoyance/dislike what you're supposed to be feeling? I'm not so sure I can continue through the rest of the series bros...

[Anonymous No.21310780]

I know this series is considered a bit of a laughing stock, but is anyone else actually hoping the next one brings it back? I unironically really enjoyed this first one and was really disappointed by the weird self insert coomfest that was the 2nd, but I do still want to see where the story goes. Has anyone heard any solid updates on it? I honestly don't see how he could finish it in one more book.

[Anonymous No.21310793]

>>21310729
kelhus rocks he's like everyone here

[Anonymous No.21310809]

>>21300026
Fantastic ENTER pose

[Anonymous No.21310810]

After the War book 3 comes out on december 6, I didn't think there would be so many books in that series but I'm kinda liking the world
Speaking of which is the villain anthology book from Tchaikovsky and co (including Bakker ;)) worth a read?

[Anonymous No.21310855]

>>21310557
No idea but your uncle is right, SAaB ended far too soon. It started out rough and the ratings tanked but as it progressed you could tell the writers had plans for the series and wanted to have a more realistic depiction of war, while the network wanted a different kind of show entirely (pew-pew action sci-fi). Without it we probably wouldn't have gotten the BSG remake a decade later.

[Anonymous No.21310977]

>>21310855
Judging by the screenshots I'm getting an Alien vibe from it, where they're in realistic clothing and what not instead of startrek outfits.

[Anonymous No.21310989]

>Walter was a serial rapist with many, many, many victims (I named 22 to the cops) but Marion was far, far worse."

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/27/sff-community-marion-zimmer-bradley-daughter-accuses-abuse

Prolific. Very prolific.

[Anonymous No.21310991]

>>21310780
I loved it personally, the first was honestly better, but the second wasn't all that bad. I think they intentionally left stuff out because the characters are going to be more in the present in the third (my guess) as the plot catches up to the story telling in a bar aspect of it. Honestly it's what got me back into reading novels, I binged the two of them in a few weeks

[Anonymous No.21311047]

>>21310989
>Rapes Arthur
>Rapes her daughter
makes sense

[Anonymous No.21311049]

>>21310780
Last year the author promised to read the prologue of book 3 plus a random chapter as an incentive for his charity fundraiser, he read the prologue (basically the same as the other two) and hasn't since read the random chapter, that's literally all the news about book 3 in years.

[Anonymous No.21311095]

>>21310780
It stands an astonishing example on how a single page of cuckoldry can ruin an otherwise amazing book for some people (and even both books, for the mental).
The magic system is wondrous, and the moments with real magic (Naming) have an AMAZING impact. Hell, I think I remember every single Naming from both books.
The story of the world is nothing special, but I'm also eagerly waiting for the third book.

[Anonymous No.21311115]

Is this what it's like to smoke salvia?

[Anonymous No.21311122]

Any standalone ~250 max pages recc for getting back into the swing? Thanks. The algorithms have ruined me.

[Anonymous No.21311124]

>>21311123
>>21311123
>>21311123
New

[Anonymous No.21311136]

>>21311122
Necronomicon by Lovecraft or any short story collection. Great for zoomer coomer brains:)

[Anonymous No.21311148]

>>21311124
we're not even at bump limit never mind page 10, bye deleted thread

[Anonymous No.21311156]

>>21311124
Why make a new thread this early? We're still in page 1 you fucking idiot?

[Anonymous No.21311163]

>>21300124
What would you do with all the (insightful) tangents?

[Anonymous No.21311172]

>>21311124
Any reason why? This thread has like 5 or six hours left before it reaches page 10, no reason to make a new thread this early.

[Anonymous No.21311189]

>>21311124
It's already off to a bad start, just delete and wait.

[Anonymous No.21311215]

Is someone else going to make a new thread? The fag's new thread is already terrible.

[Anonymous No.21311241]

>>21311215
I would make it, but what would be the point.

[Anonymous No.21311250]

>>21311124
>Thread was at 307 when new thread is created
Go back to the writing general or write whats on your mind fag.

[Anonymous No.21311292]

>>21311215
Its at a terrible start because everybody is bitching about the thread lmao

[Anonymous No.21311295]

>>21311292
Yeah, the fag should have waited a bit, don't know why he was so quick to make a new one.

[Anonymous No.21311321]

Since the other new thread is terrible I thought I’ll make my own
>>21311319

[Anonymous No.21311336]

>>21311321
It has better art.

[Anonymous No.21311436]

>>21311321
We're only on page 6 you fat monkey