/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.21358997]

The best and worst places for literature. Do you agree?

[Anonymous No.21359028]

>>21358997
Mostly, yes. Greece should be bumped to S-tier. They have produced some of the finest philosophers around. I don't know why ISIS is up there in S-tier. I have never heard anything worthy produced from rags. They should be in D-tier and replaced with Greece. Same with the others. English literature could be bumped into A-tier and American into B-tier. Germany is an S+ tier, but I still don't know why stinky peepeepoopoo raghead countries are even on there.

[Anonymous No.21359032]

>>21358997
India and US should be swapped.

[Anonymous No.21359037]

>>21358997
>England and USA not S tier
Laughably wrong

[Anonymous No.21359040]

Australia

[Anonymous No.21359045]

>>21358997
Albania has literature?
Hoxha's ramblings don't count.

[Anonymous No.21359046]

>>21358997
Change China with Japan you fucking pleb.

[Anonymous No.21359049]

what's with /lit/'s hatred of american literature? other than being angry about the influence the country has over their culture

[Anonymous No.21359067]

>>21358997
Senegal and Myanmar? What literature has come out of these countries?

[Anonymous No.21359078]

>>21358997
>another tier list that makes no attempt at being realistic because the /pol/tard who made it only judges based on modern politics and not the quality of the literature (because he doesn't read) thread
absolute laugh seeing israel at the very bottom saudi arabia in S tier as if anyone on the entire board who wasn't born in either country has ever read literature published there. hint: their literature is not often translated.

[Anonymous No.21359082]

>>21359049
English canon is mostly British. American literature just doesn't fare well.

[Anonymous No.21359088]

>>21359078
>hint: their literature is not often translated.
That's the case with most of the Asian countries, so what?

[Anonymous No.21359092]

>>21359088
It's not on the same scale and you know it's not. Stop intentionally missing the point.

[Anonymous No.21359104]

>>21359067
You don't know?

[Anonymous No.21359106]

>>21359092
It is actually for countries like India, Iran and Pakistan

[Anonymous No.21359382]

>>21359028
this, more or less

[Anonymous No.21359694]

>>21359037
England is A at most, USA a B if we're being generous.

[Anonymous No.21359781]

>>21358997
Only China deserves to be on S.
I wish I were an aristocratic Chinaman into the classics.

[Anonymous No.21359827]

>>21359049
contrarians

[Anonymous No.21359832]

>>21358997
>bosnia
read ivo andric, pleb

[Anonymous No.21359855]

>>21358997
I rate Pakistani lit quite highly desu. Not much of it is translated but I'd recommend reading some Manto if you're looking to dip your toes into it.

[Anonymous No.21359873]

Is Japan that high for manga or something? Surely China, India, and Greece have better lit? Even the USA is better if you just look at the 19th century.

[Anonymous No.21359926]

English haters are the biggest midwits on this board. This chart reads like someone who hasn’t read more than 20 books, didn’t start with Greeks, and didn’t read the canon made it based on skimming /lit/ threads about world lit. I mean the literary output of America, the country that produced Melville, Faulkner, and McCarthy, on the same level as Senegal. Now that I write that out I realise I’ve been baited.

[Anonymous No.21360038]

>>21359873
I think the position is justified. japanese lit stands out for having unique narrative styles and themes without feeling forced or tacky. Also masters of the uncanny, and illustrating the miseries of everyday life. yukio mishima by himself carries the country to s tier

[Anonymous No.21360065]

>>21358997
>japan
>s-tier
no

[Anonymous No.21360104]

>>21359694
Lovecraft poured more kino into a sentence than most countries have in their entire literary history combined.

[Anonymous No.21360181]

>>21359028
all politics aside theyve come out with some enjoyable and interesting pieces.

[Anonymous No.21360188]

>>21359046
why

[Anonymous No.21360206]

>>21360181
also

[Anonymous No.21360255]

>>21358997
Those S and A tiers are pure, undiluted cope.

[Anonymous No.21360284]

>>21358997
>Japan in S tier
lolno

[Anonymous No.21360297]

>>21359078
That's the case with most literature, only bestsellers get translated. You're missing out on a ton of European works too.

[Anonymous No.21360299]

Why are there no sub Saharan or Polynesian countries on the list?

[Anonymous No.21360304]

>>21358997
>England B Greece A

FUCK THIS HURTS

[Anonymous No.21360353]

>>21359694
The only people who put USA so low have read less than 20 books in their entire life

[Anonymous No.21360360]

>Chinese literature
>Not F tier
pathetic senpai

[Anonymous No.21360370]

>>21359078
This was great.

[Anonymous No.21360378]

>>21358997
swap persia and saudi

[Anonymous No.21360390]

>>21360378
wait never mind i forgot the qur'an was revealed in saudi

[Anonymous No.21360476]

>>21360390
The Quran is an awful book.

[Anonymous No.21360636]

>>21358997
this list is garbage. It doesnt even have Norway.Also be honest is german and arabic lit really that good ? To a level that they are comparable to the french ?
>t. Greek

[Anonymous No.21360642]

>>21359694
You are a retard

[Anonymous No.21360646]

>>21360636
Also what about classical and medieval latin ? Would it be worth to learn the language for its literature ?

[Anonymous No.21360665]

>S tier: French, Japan, Russia
Jesus chrsit the Reddit stench on this post

[Anonymous No.21360669]

>>21359037
i really dont understand this 4chan tendency to undermine english and american lit . America has Merville , Whitman , Hemingway and of course the brits have Milton , Shakespeare Blake , Pope which completely obliterates any other country. You cant tell me the Arabic language has works comparable to them. If they do im learning the language ASAP.

[Anonymous No.21360711]

>>21358997
The US mogs most countries, it deserves to be A tier. They have Melville, Faulkner, Hawthorne, Whitman, McCarthy, Henry James, Hemingway, Kerouac, DFW, Pynchon, the list just goes on. Just because you hate globohomo doesn't mean American literature isn't some of the best out there.

[Anonymous No.21360928]

>>21359078
Arab literature is amazing. Ihya Ulum Al-din, Fusus al-Hikam. Although they were not Arabs geographically, they still wrote in Arabic which is a beautiful language.

[Anonymous No.21360930]

>>21360928
Also Hayy Ibn Yakdhan which is so beautiful. Criminally understudied.

[Anonymous No.21360968]

>>21360669
Its pure contrarianism

[Anonymous No.21361186]

>>21359827
yeah the reason is that american kids have to read the american and british lit canon and not doesn't make it ZASED EPIC AND COOL like russian or some other country's literature

[Anonymous No.21361189]

>>21360669
>Pope
He's a non-entity.
>which completely obliterates any other country
lmao

[Anonymous No.21361257]

>>21358997
S-tier should be Germany, Russia, France, US and England. Japan has no place in S-tier, that's a complete joke of an idea so just replace it with Greece. Since you use Saudi Arabia as a seemingly general stand-in for Arabic literature you might as well bump up Italy to S-tier as well.

[Anonymous No.21361283]

>>21360104
Yes and Lovecraft is one of the great American authors along with Poe, Melville and Faulkner, other than those America hasn't much. Their poetry is abysmal and have non-existing philosophy. Genre fiction is where they generally excel.

[Anonymous No.21361286]

>>21360353
The only people who put USA that high have only read American authors and are most likely monolingual.

[Anonymous No.21361321]

>>21360669
I disagree that 4chan tends to undermine English and American lit, actually I think /lit/ overrates it, which is only natural since 4chan is mostly anglo-centric. Americans particularly tend to think that their literature is the best the world has to offer, and while it's obviously true that there have been many great American authors, their love towards their own literature comes at the prize of being dismissive of all other literature, not only modern/contemporary lit but also all the literature that precedes them. Most of the time they haven't even read any "foreign" literature, let alone learned a different language. So the undermining you notice is, I think, a reaction against that American arrogance that's so common.

The American nation is superior to all other nations several aspects, but they think this superiority necessarily applies to ALL aspects, including literature, and this is of course a wrong assumption.

[Anonymous No.21361332]

>>21360669
>Merville
A GOAT contender
>Whitman
lol
>Hemingway
lmao seriously? no one except Americans rate him highly
>Milton
Paradise Lost is great, other than that he's nothing special
>Shakespeare
A GOAT for sure
>Blake
Another all time great
>Pope
lol just lol

You're not making a good case for S tier, Shakespeare and Blake alone are not enough for the brits. Your American list is simply laughable (except for Melville of course).

[Anonymous No.21361423]

can someone recc me some greek lit? i'm greek but i've only read zorba and the last temptation of christ oops

[Anonymous No.21361957]

>>21360065
yes. in any case, greatly preferable over anglostuff.

[Anonymous No.21362142]

>>21358997

[Anonymous No.21362152]

Greece, solely by dint of the ancients, belongs in S tier. The only other countries with any claim to S would be Bongistan and Russia.

[Anonymous No.21362243]

>>21358997
Name 1 Saudi writer

[Anonymous No.21362249]

>>21359037
Angloid cope more

[Anonymous No.21362419]

>>21361283
>non-existing philosophy
This makes it clear that the authors you listed weren't chosen because they were the best, but because they're the only ones you've read.

[Anonymous No.21362465]

>>21361321
>their love towards their own literature comes at the prize of being dismissive of all other literature
Another absolute laugh, considering Americans these days put so much effort into distancing themselves from anything American. American literature is not seen as being cool or as being intelligent. French literature is, and for a time Russian literature was too. If an American reads outside of the mandatory reading required of them for school, they will almost always choose to read a foreign author over an author born in their own country, because then they can feign being cultured and more learned than their peers.
>So the undermining you notice is, I think, a reaction against that American arrogance that's so common.
Which makes everything you said before this even more ridiculous, because Americans are somehow simultaneously carrying a deep-seated hatred for their own country that was cultivated by their own education system, searching out every scrap of foreign identity to graft onto themselves, while also being arrogantly patriotic in their dismissal of other cultures and those cultures' arts.

[Anonymous No.21362504]

>>21359028
Arabs were responsible of saving the greek literature

[Anonymous No.21362857]

>>21362504
I thought it was mainly newly-conquered Persians who did this

[Anonymous No.21362866]

>>21362465
Every single thing you said is wrong.

>because Americans are somehow simultaneously carrying a deep-seated hatred for their own country that was cultivated by their own education system
That's your thesis, not mine. We're talking in the context of 4chan, so I don't care if the average liberal American cuck hates himself because he's been told to, in this site Americans are characterized by their sense of superiority and if you can't see that you probably haven't browsed this site for more than a week.

[Anonymous No.21362990]

>>21362866
Point me towards the sense of superiority the Americans on this board have. You can check the catalog on /int/ as well, if you want. Or really any other board, unless for whatever reason you take the banter on /sp/ seriously. There's more people questioning the quality of American literature here than there are praising it.

[Anonymous No.21363577]

>>21362504
>arabs saved greek literature therefore arabic literature is good
lol. lmao.

[Anonymous No.21363600]

>>21359040
Name five good Australian authors

[Anonymous No.21363614]

>>21362504
No they didn't. Greek books were saved by the byzantine empire and the christian scholars who lived in newly conquered muslim lands, i.e. the greeks themselves.
Muslims were dumb desert raiders and still are.

[Anonymous No.21363616]

Greece should be in its own special tier on top simply by virtue of laying down foundation for everything else on this list.

[Anonymous No.21363640]

>>21363616
greek literature didn't lay the foundation for chinese literature

[Anonymous No.21363669]

>>21358997
No. Garbage anti-Anglo butthurt.

[Anonymous No.21363702]

>>21358997
>ESL cope fag made this thread.

France and Japan need to be swapped out for England and Ireland.

[Anonymous No.21363781]

>>21361286
In no order, just a small segment of American writers that highlight our obvious superiority, you recessed chin faggot:
Hart Crane
Frank Stanford
Thomas Wolfe
Charles Olson
TS Eliot
Robert Creeley
Pynchon
Henry Miller
H. Thompson
Frank O’Hara
Herman Melville
Henry James
E. A. Poe
Robert Frost
W. Faulkner
Toni Morrison
Carson McCullers
James Baldwin
John Ashbery
William Carlos Williams
Wallace Stevens
Robert Bly
Tennessee Williams
Marianne Hauser
Philip Roth
Don DeLillo
Robert Duncan
Emerson
Alfred Starr Hamilton
William Gass
Hemingway
Fitzgerald
Marianne Moore
Ezra Pound
Robert Lowell
H.D.
Louis Zukofsky
James Schuyler
flannery o'connor
Truman Capote
PKD
David Markson
Gertrude Stein
Emily Dickinson
George Oppen
Langston Hughes
Anne Sexton
Sylvia Plath
Elizabeth Bishop
Adrienne Rich
James Merrill
James Purdy
John Knowles
William Gaddis
Frederick Exley
Donald Barthelme
Richard Brautigan
Steinbeck
Gabrielle Burton
William Lindsay Gresham
Updike
Upton Sinclair
Malamud
Walter Abish

[Anonymous No.21364399]

>>21362243
It's defensible if you include Mu'allaqat type stuff

[Anonymous No.21364933]

>>21359078
>>21362243
>>21363577
No offence but you have to be really stupid or a hardcore pseud to try and downplay arabic lit

[Anonymous No.21364945]

>>21363614
Anon it is okay to accept it.

[Anonymous No.21364951]

>>21358997
Great list OP
I would move China up a tier, and maybe Iran as well since most of their literature is very close to Arabic literature because of the shared history and many of their great writers chose to write in Arabic.

[Anonymous No.21365014]

>>21364933
no one you replied to was downplaying arabic lit. just pointing out other anon's retardation

[Anonymous No.21365019]

This is bait

[Anonymous No.21365080]

>>21365019
Not really. It is a good list.

[Anonymous No.21365103]

>>21358997
>Ireland not A at MINIMUM

[Anonymous No.21365118]

>>21358997
why is turkey that high? there is only pamuk and i thought he won the award for the diversity quota. also iran? wth

[Anonymous No.21365124]

>>21363781
none of them are half as good as griboyedov, not mentioning dostoevsky or tolstoy

[Anonymous No.21365275]

Germany? Really? All the german philosophy was given birth by a select few observing how empty inside their fellow countrymen were in they day by day life. There's a reason mostly non-fiction was written in that country, since nothing of note happens there except for a few decades in the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.21365578]

>>21363600
Patrick White
me
Banjo Patterson
that's all

[Anonymous No.21365750]

>>21358997
Bosnia has consistently put out some the most influential authors in the Balkans

[Anonymous No.21365821]

>>21358997
>Haruki Murakami in S tier
>John Milton, William Shakespeare in B tier

Absolutely beyond laughable.

[Anonymous No.21365838]

>>21362243
You realize Saudi is a stand in for Islam as well as Arabia and Arabic literature right?

Besides, even for modern Saudi Arabia specifically, they literally had Abdulrahman Munif who wrote the transcendental Cities of Salt

>>21360476
Literally the greatest piece of literature

>>21359028
>Greece should be bumped to S-tier
>Never heard anything worthy produced from rags
Is /lit really this dumb?

>>21360669
>You cant tell me the Arabic language has works comparable to them
Their works are greater anon. Only the works of Shakespear and Melville from your list come close.

>>21363614
>Greek books were saved by the byzantine empire and the christian scholars who lived in newly conquered muslim lands, i.e. the greeks themselves.
Muslims were dumb desert raiders and still are.
Anon you realize Ibn Rush, the saviour of Aristotle and greek philsophy for the west was literally an Islamic Scholar and Jurist? His father was literally the Qadi (Chief Judge) of Cordoba and his grandfather was the Qadi of Cordoba and the Imam of the Great Mosque of Cordoba and he himself as a young man became the Qadi of Seville. He was not even from the Byzantine empire (which became part of the history of islam anyway as it was influenced by, and produced, many muslim thought) and was Andalusian under the Muslim Almohad Caliphate and comes in a long line of Muslim scholars, philsophers, and polymaths. In fact even when Plato was lost in the west he was widely read by Muslim scholars and many of his works were translated into arabic (and into persian) which later were translated into latin and in fact all translations of Plato's work except Timaeus in the west came from Istanbul (after Constantinople, which already had been engaged with and dominated by muslim thought, officially fell to the Ottoman Empire).
You cannot be this dumb.

[Anonymous No.21365848]

>>21358997
Great list desu

[Anonymous No.21365850]

>>21359037
USA is D-tier. The only properly literary author you have is Melville. You are below even the small European nations who have produced 3+.

[Anonymous No.21365852]

>>21361332
Imagine not thinking that the man who literally invented half of modern English words and idioms is not S tier.

Also Samson Agonistes is fantastic, you obviously haven't read enough Milton.

[Anonymous No.21365857]

>>21359049
>what's with /lit/'s hatred of american literature?
I don't hate it at all, I quite like Melville, it's just there isn't a lot of it.

[Anonymous No.21365863]

>>21359926
Faulkner is a pale imitation of the English modernists you delusional fucking american.

[Anonymous No.21365877]

>>21363781
I could get a list with just as many mediocrities, capable-craftsmen-but-nothing-more, and 3 or 4 more true giants if I copy pasted a list of the 50 best swedish or norwegian authors.

[Anonymous No.21365996]

>>21363600
GERALD MURNANE

[Anonymous No.21366168]

>Ireland B tier
Should be A at minimum and is S tier imo.

[Anonymous No.21366204]

>>21365877
>only has read 2 authors on the list
>has heard of maybe 5
>proceeds to seethe
Lmaooo like clockwork

[Anonymous No.21366334]

>>21364945
>>21365838
retarded goatfucker thinks he is anything but d tire. This coping posts are sad anon.

[Anonymous No.21366372]

Does Germany have any literature besides Das Kapitel?

[Anonymous No.21366381]

>>21358997
Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan should be considered the same country. The Avatamsaka Sutra should be considered as coming from Afghanistan and Tajikistan for example.
Buddhism was big in Balkh in some time, and I believe the notion of interpenetration was made to critique Mazdan dualism.

[Anonymous No.21366389]

>>21366381
>in some time
for some time*

[Anonymous No.21366723]

>>21358997
>america that low

[Anonymous No.21366731]

>>21358997
Luxembourg has literature? Unless you're an idiot who thinks the Dutch flag is the one with baby blue

[Anonymous No.21366799]

[Anonymous No.21366804]

>>21359028
Ancient Greece has nothing to do with modern Greek literature.

[Anonymous No.21366816]

>>21365838
Islam and Arabs are F-tier in every possible category. Literature, theatre, music, film, beauty, intelligence, science, philosophy, morality, athleticism. F-tier

[Anonymous No.21366846]

>>21366799
accurate if you switched france and germany around

[Anonymous No.21366873]

>>21359028
This
>S8SWGR

[Anonymous No.21366901]

>>21366816
Goethe, Emerson, Nietzsche, and much more would not agree with you. Most of the past great European writers seemed to hold high esteem for Persian poetry.

[Anonymous No.21366934]

>>21366901
the old orientalists were retards who liked shit because of aesthetics. Goethe was the dumbest larper of the whole lot

[Anonymous No.21366964]

>>21366934
>My past great writers were retarded when they don't agree with me!
>Goethe, Emerson, Nietzsche, and countless others who are important to my culture are dumb!
Just kys, pseudointellectual faggot. You're just blinded by the present. In 100 years, if mankind still survives, you'll probably start insulting the Japanese as you pick a new people to fetishize, low IQ scum.

[Anonymous No.21367022]

>korea
>literature
nice meme

[Anonymous No.21367088]

>>21365118
Orhan Kemal, Sabahattin Ali and Pamuk. Nowadays there's Livaneli which is pleasant to read also.

[Anonymous No.21367100]

>>21366846
nope. He should switch american and english

[Anonymous No.21367112]

>>21367088
thanks anon i will check them out

[Anonymous No.21367118]

As far as prose goes...
America, France : S
England, Russia: A
Netherlands, Germany: A
most others are irrelevant, and have too little worthy tomes in prose, like the Italians and Spaniards, or in the case of Japan, are poor to my taste.
I also see some high school dropouts dismissing the worth of Arab lit. Our poetry is of the highest quality. Here, I will not attempt to rank all of those nations, I don't believe poetry has any value in translation. Here, I think the English have everyone beat.

[Anonymous No.21367159]

>>21359045
Ismail kadare is a good author that you foreigners might enjoy.

[Anonymous No.21367215]

>>21367118
>As far as prose goes...
How could you even judge that? Do you speak all those languages? You say poetry has no value in translation, which is true, but you're also judging prose by someone's interpretation of it, not its actual form.

[Anonymous No.21367244]

>>21358997
Why is the Islamic world combined into one? May as well combine Europe as well

[Anonymous No.21367278]

>>21367215
>How could you even judge that?
That's the point of this thread, anon. It's true, I had to dismiss entire bodies of works of some nations. But I equally dismissed the contributions of my own people (here represented by the Saudi flag). So I did not do so out of haughtiness.
To even attempt ranking these, one needs to be pragmatic.
>Do you speak all those languages?
No, but I convincingly speak three of them. While not enough, it's a decent enough framework.
>you're also judging prose by someone's interpretation of it, not its actual form.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that prose is as stylistic as poetry. But for me, that style is communicated mostly through the thoughts and feelings that the writer endeavored to express, and I've seen talented translators get those thoughts and feelings across unmolested.
Look at /lit/. Hardly a hispanophone community, yet few people here have deprived themselves of Borges, who himself championed the English translations of his work.
>>21367244
In his defense he listed Arabs, Turks, and Iranians separately. You might ask yourself why some twenty states are represented by one flag, but Arab literature, for the most part, adds up to just one body of work. Pre-islamic poetry and later stuff does not neatly correspond to the states we know and hate today.

[Anonymous No.21367285]

>>21367022
Literally this. I can't believe someone even had the nerve to put them as high as B tier.

[Anonymous No.21367331]

>>21359028
greece gets A because all their best work is far, far behind them

[Anonymous No.21367340]

>>21366204
Cope, america is a non-entity in literature

[Anonymous No.21367387]

>>21367340
Ignorant buffoon. Since the mid 19th century? they've produced a dozen or so men of the highest literary genius.

[Anonymous No.21367392]

>>21365838
>You realize Saudi is a stand in for Islam as well as Arabia and Arabic literature right?
It was all persians. You people just raped goats and kids.

[Anonymous No.21367408]

>>21367340
Faulkner, Melville, Whiteman, and Wolfe exceed in quality your country’s entire literary output.

[Anonymous No.21367447]

>>21367408
I hope that by Wolfe, you mean Thomas.
>>21367392
Persians and North Africans and yes, peninsular Arabs. It would serve to learn history on a deeper level than whatever your discord pimp allows you to, before laying on us your garbage commentary.

[Anonymous No.21367467]

>>21367447
> I hope that by Wolfe, you mean Thomas
No shit, sherlock

[Anonymous No.21367471]

>>21367447
You do know that persians hate it when people confuse them with Arabs?
Don't take credit for their achievements Abdul. You people just wrote a retarded text you claim to be ultimate truth.

[Anonymous No.21367547]

>>21367467
Based. /lit/ loves Gene Wolfe.
>>21367471
>You do know that persians hate it when people confuse them with Arabs?
Yes
>Don't take credit for their achievements
No one is doing that. I am a Persophile, and, unlike you retard, I am a Persophile in full earnest.
No scholar of history will belittle the achievements of Ibn Nafis, Ibn Khuldun, and others. You're no scholar.

[Anonymous No.21367589]

>>21367547
>Persophile
that's all you can be Abdul. So stop claiming their achievements as Saudi Arabian's.
Now go back to raping goats or whatever you guys do.

[Anonymous No.21367633]

>>21367471
>>21367547
I'm Persian, and I don't hate Arabs. I don't particularly like Islam or any Abrahamic tradition though. I remember coming across sincere Arabs and even blacks in my Zen sangha, and I had no problem with them.
Also, Arabs are very divided by tribes. Some tribes are more intellectual, others more war-like. I don't know what particular tribe that Arab descends from, but he doesn't seem that bad to me.
I don't think Arabs are retarded. They had decent thinkers like Alhazen, Ibn Arabic, and Al-Ma'arri.
Part of the reason there were more Persian-speaking polymaths relative to Arabs is because there were way more of them since you're also including Central Asia. Rumi, for example, was from modern-day borders of Tajikistan.
Modernization has led to cultural decline for every group of people though. This decline is expressed differently for every group.
I think the only race of people I truly hate are those primitive ones that still practice head-hunting and cannibalism, but we've all had ancestors like that...
I do hold a special disdain towards Abrahamists, but it's not contingent on race. I would have preferred Iran become Buddhist rather than either Islam OR Christianity.

[Anonymous No.21367639]

>>21367633
>I'm Persian, and I don't hate Arabs.
I didn't meant you guys hate Arabs. I just meant you guys hate it when people confuse persian scholars as Arab scholars.

[Anonymous No.21367666]

>>2136763
And I for one am an arabized Berber, certainly no man of Allah, with a rather poor opinion of Islam and its long term effects on the Islamic World. I assumed the role of the Arab only to defend the value of Arabic Language literature. And I hold Persians in the highest regard. Though I don't believe in a 'muslim world', I consider Iranians to be its redeemers.

[Anonymous No.21367687]

>>21367666
Unholy digits, meant for you.>>21367633

[Anonymous No.21367713]

>>21358997
Bosnia has Ivo Andric, who won a Nobel for literature
just because you only read high school classics doesn't mean other countries dont have lit

[Anonymous No.21367723]

I think it's fine to have a preference for literature from various countries moreso than others, but I don't think it's advisable to act like one's taste has universal standards.

[Anonymous No.21367736]

>>21358997
Ranking countries based on literary output is ridiculous. It really just boils down to preference and mother tongue. Also, the fact that there aren't any Latin countries in your list goes to show how silly you are.

Also, American literature is better than English.

[Anonymous No.21368266]

>>21367639
No they don't you fucking dumbass. Why do westoids think they have a good grasp on the world when they don't?
They have a shared intellectual history and many of the great persian thinkers chose to write in arabic, and most persian thinkers were influnved by arabs, and also influenced the arabs. Go to Iran and ask a persian if he hates or thinks they are completely seperate from arabs and the arab world and he would call you a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.21368272]

>>21367736
>american literature is better than english pure cope. Delusional anon.

[Anonymous No.21368285]

>>21368272
lol...

[Anonymous No.21368306]

Which Luxembourgish book have you read?

[Anonymous No.21368324]

>>21367471
>You do know that persians hate it when people confuse them with Arabs
why are you speaking for other people? In real life nobody really cares that much because normal people shrug it off

[Anonymous No.21368360]

>>21359028
>I don't know why ISIS is up there in S-tier. I have never heard anything worthy produced from rags.
>>21359078
absolute laugh seeing saudi arabia in S tier
>>21360476
>The Quran is an awful book
>>21360636
>is arabic lit really that good?
>>21360669
>Whitman
>Hemingway
>Blake
>Pope
>You cant tell me the Arabic language has works comparable
>>21362857
>I thought it was mainly newly-conquered Persians who did this
>>21363614
>No they didn't. Greek books were saved by the byzantine empire and the christian scholars
>>21365118
>why is turkey that high
>also iran? wth
>>21366334
>anything but d tire
>>21366372
>Does Germany have any literature besides Das Kapitel?
>>21366816
>Islam and Arabs are F-tier in every possible category
>>21366934
>goethe was dumb
>>21367244
>Why is the Islamic world combined into one? May as well combine Europe as well
>>21367392
>It was all persians
>>21367471
>Don't take credit for their achievements
>>21367589
>stop claiming their achievements
>>21367639
>I just meant you guys hate it when people confuse persian scholars as Arab scholars
>>21367736
>American literature is better than English.

The state of /lit...
This has convinced me there must be a mandatory IQ test to post on /lit. I hope this will prevent pseuds from posting, like that anon who thinks persian and arabic lit is vastly different.

[Anonymous No.21368384]

>>21368360
>>21359078
you could do without misquoting me.

[Anonymous No.21368402]

I would like to learn Chinese to read Wang Wei, Han Shan, and other poets in the native language, but it seems too hard and time-consuming.

[Anonymous No.21368406]

>>21367639
>>21367589
>>21367471
>>21367392
You realize they have more or less the same intellectual history right anon?
They are not arabs but they are part of a single line of great thought brought together through Islam. In fact even contemporary Islamic works produced Arabic (pretty much all of it) are studied in Iran and contemporary Islamic works produced in Iran (such as Iqtisaduna) are read by Arab Islamic scholars.
Why do americans always speak on stuff they have little to no idea about?

[Anonymous No.21368418]

>>21368266
>great persian thinkers
That's an oxymoron

[Anonymous No.21368428]

>>21368402
too hard and too time consuming compared to what? what else do you want to achieve? if there isn't anything else that jumps out to you, then the only thing stopping you is laziness.

[Anonymous No.21368470]

>>21368418
Pseud

[Anonymous No.21369193]

>>21368360
>>21368406
man muslims are such retards. They claim some achievement of some muslim as the achievement of the entire ummah.
If that's the case then I guess Christianity is the greatest religion ever as 90% of the humanity's achievements and progress was done by them, be it literature, science, engineering etc.
But these achievements were despite of Christianity not because of it.
But mudslimes are memed into believing 'muh islamic golden age' as achievement of islam when it doesn't even hold a candle to the achievements of europeans.

[Anonymous No.21369199]

>>21369193
>But these achievements were despite of Christianity not because of it.
can you prove that?

[Anonymous No.21369224]

>>21369193
Kek filtered anglo

[Anonymous No.21369225]

>>21369199
What's there to prove? Pythagoras theorem exists in nature whether or not some person discover it or not. How can religion influence natural laws?
In fact religion acts as a detriment. Newton despite making so many discoveries wasted his time trying to decipher bible when he could have put that time into something meaningful.

[Anonymous No.21369227]

>>21369224
delusional mudslime

[Anonymous No.21369264]

>>21369193
Show me where the Bible says christians constitute a single Ummah similar to the concept in Islam.
Then prove to me that nearly all Christians follow this concept and also accept and agree that they come from a line of thought in the Ummah and that all of their achievements are the achievements of the entire Ummah and are due to Allah/God.

Simply put, Islam has the concept of Ummah among muslims, while Christianity does not.

But even if it did then it wouldn't matter anyways since most of the so called christian achievements you are talking about came once they started abandoning key concepts of their faiths, and most christians aren't even that religious or would accept this, let alone agree on key concepts of their faith, and have replaced their religion with capitalism and fictional myths of western identity/civ and pathetic attempts to regain some spirituality from Scientism or whitewashed Buddhism and other fads.

[Anonymous No.21369273]

>>21369227
Not even a mudlsime :)
Seethe and cope pseud

[Anonymous No.21369280]

>>21369273
I dunno what is worse, a mudslime or a retard defending mudslimes

[Anonymous No.21369296]

>>21369264
>Persians create something
>some north african nigger, "muh ancestors"

[Anonymous No.21369300]

>>21369280
The worst thing is an anglo pseud speaking on stuff he has no real knowledge on

[Anonymous No.21369323]

>can't refute
>you have no knowledge
ok nigger

[Anonymous No.21369327]

>>21369296
Literally almost no north african thinks of persians as his ancestor and most trace no lineage to persia and have no shared history until islam.
Most are ethnic to the north african land and/or are mixed between north africa and middle easterners, and many of the big tribes and great intellectuals trace themselves back to arabia or to specific muslim scholars and figures from arabia (sometimes true, sometimes not), but even that is not "cope" since they, like persians and turks and whoever else, share an entire history under Islam and africans specifically had deep ties to arabia as they were the ones who introduced the camel to camels and other things that helped shape the way of life of north africans.

[Anonymous No.21369468]

>>21369193
>But these achievements were despite of Christianity
you really are a moron, huh.