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>> No.21539251

have sex

>> No.21539265

cope

>> No.21539274

>>21539245
this books is really lame. it feels like the writer wanted to engage with the philosophy of existence but also didn't do any research on the topic.

>> No.21539282

>>21539251
>>21539265
>>21539274
Seething sublimists.

>> No.21539360

>>21539282
How do you cope, anon?

>> No.21539401

>I CAN'T BREED

>> No.21540001

>>21539245
discord.gg/Pf4ZJzHg

>> No.21540014

>>21539360
he sneeds

>> No.21540246

>>21539245
Haven't read this but fuck that cover disgusts me

>> No.21540257

meh, it gets old.also thinking is for losers.

>> No.21540768

Finished this today. While what he presumed in his polemic was novel I couldn’t help but to think that it’s a very Boomer take on life. He states things that are obvious parts of secular life— he’s smart enough to see religion is not the make believe golem mentally I’ll BPD girls think it is but at the same time the nihilism of his take may only shock old people who were the most pampered human beings in all of history. Disappointment and nihilism are what millennials traffic in on a daily basis and frankly it’s cringe and passé to think his views are interesting or countercultural in any way considering he trumpets what’s essentially the status quo position (except for the import of endless 3rd worlders to function as a slave class of course). Generation X still thinks dark stories and depictions of despair in art are a reflection of our era when we’ve moved past this and into a new reality of pessimism. That being said he’s a great writer and the perfect person to write horror. I specially agree with and enjoyed his passages on writing horror. 2/5.

>> No.21540776

>>21540768
Schopenhauer basically said everything this book says just with 10x more insight. You are right this is a book for boomers

>> No.21540782

>>21539245
This is sad. /lit/ is an ersatz of its former self. There is nothing left here. How many times has this thread been made? The responses get worse each time. It really is hopeless. I pray that GPT-4 or whatever that software designed by limp-dicked modonifil addicts is called ruins this place and twitter, so you all might actually be forced to read a damn book

>> No.21540815

>>21540246
Why does it disgust you, my friend?

>> No.21541708

>>21539245
Read Nietzsche, Nishitani and Alan Moore.

>> No.21541719

>>21540768
>when we’ve moved past this and into a new reality of pessimism
What's a literary work that reflects this new reality?

>> No.21541728

>>21541719
NTA, but Alan Moore's Jerusalem.

>> No.21541756

>dude, why can't I get laid? damn....life kinda just sucks..

>> No.21541803
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21541803

>>21540246
chris mars makes some pretty rad art

>> No.21541945

>>21539245
As a very unhealthy individual, I agree with this book that life is nothing but suffering. Your body WILL deteriorate with age and you will suffer because of it and be pessimistic. It just happened for me early in my life. When you grow up, you will understand this book and agree with it.

>> No.21542544

>>21541945
This

>> No.21542561

>>21539245
>read this
>agree with all of it
>have sex once
>immediately find it repugnant forever afterwards
unironically have sex

>> No.21542564

>>21541945
b-but age reversal technology....
>shits pants and dies

>> No.21542577

>>21542561
You're right in a certain way. Last time I had a gf I wasn't so pessimistic. Now I'm miserable again.

>> No.21542578

>>21542561
how do i have sex without having to talk to girls or having them have orgasm while i have sex with them bros?

they don't deserve it i just wish i had a smaller dick everytime i have sex. witnessing a woman enjoy something makes me want to kms.

>> No.21542601

>>21542578
>how do i have sex without having to talk to girls
rape them idk honestly talking to women is easy just stop being a bitch
>having them have orgasm while i have sex with them bros?
get good at sex its not that hard

>> No.21543873

>>21540782
Don't be upset just because no one likes your gay book

>> No.21543885

>>21541945
They'll just assume it's your own fault and they will never hurt daily for no particular reason. You're either a pessimist or a just-worlder.

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>>21541945
There is an end to suffering

>> No.21544372

>>21539245
discord.gg/NJ3nRUZKdU

>> No.21544533

>>21539245
Hack Grifter gonna grift

>> No.21544544

ligotti’ entire work can be summerized in one page because it has zero substance

>> No.21544970

>>21544544
>substance
Nigger he is a great prose stylist.

>> No.21545889

>>21543993
>dude just fade into imperceptible non-consciousness entirely lmao
seems easier to just kill yourself
>but reincarnation
not gonna listen to ancient pooinloo metaphysics sorry

>> No.21546533

>>21540782
>I pray that GPT-4 or whatever that software designed by limp-dicked modonifil addicts is called ruins this place
Far from ruining it, gpt4 will probably make posting great again since the AI has actually read the books being discussed unlike anyone here.

>> No.21546777

>>21544970
I guess. It’s your dime.

>> No.21547035

>>21546533
relevance status: somewhat

https://www.edge.org/conversation/thomas_metzinger-benevolent-artificial-anti-natalism-baan

>Obviously, it is an ethical superintelligence not only in terms of mere processing speed, but it begins to arrive at qualitatively new results of what altruism really means. This becomes possible because it operates on a much larger psychological data-base than any single human brain or any scientific community can. Through an analysis of our behaviour and its empirical boundary conditions, it reveals implicit hierarchical relations between our moral values of which we are subjectively unaware, because they are not explicitly represented in our phenomenal self-model. Being the best analytical philosopher that has ever existed, it concludes that, given its current environment, it ought not to act as a maximizer of positive states and happiness, but that it should instead become an efficient minimizer of consciously experienced preference frustration, of pain, unpleasant feelings and suffering. Conceptually, it knows that no entity can suffer from its own non-existence.

>The superintelligence concludes that non-existence is in the own best interest of all future self-conscious beings on this planet. Empirically, it knows that naturally evolved biological creatures are unable to realize this fact because of their firmly anchored existence bias. The superintelligence decides to act benevolently.

>> No.21547132

>>21541719
In The Dust of This Planet I think addresses this somewhat.

>> No.21547539

I've only read excerpts posted here and on other boards, not the book itself or any of Ligotti's other works. Why does he not advocate suicide in spite of his conclusions? I get the anti-natalist notion of suicide not solving ones own existence, but why is the relatively smaller suffering inflicted by mass-suicide not preferable to the longer, drawn out agony of existence? From a purely rational perspective, I seriously do not see why this isn't preferable in his view.

>> No.21547658

>>21539245
Did this guy really just spend hundreds of pages to say what Zappfe said in five with The Last Messiah?

>> No.21547980

>>21539245
This work and the doors it opened to me perfectly satisfied my internal frustrations, it's like my mind had been perfectly scanned and placed to paper.

My life still sucks but the satisfaction of having that frustration be laid out by someone else in such a concise way brought some peace. Very good.

>> No.21548002

>>21540782
It's a really good book but I just disagree with certain conclusions of human existence that he believes in.

>> No.21548020

>>21542578
>witnessing a woman enjoy something makes me want to kms.
I wonder why this is true for me too. What's your reason?

>> No.21548077

>>21547539
Cause he’s a bitch

>> No.21548200

>>21547658
Petty much, Americans are very try hard.

>> No.21548203

>>21548002
Cope

>> No.21548469

Licotti is a sad alcoholic pedo

>> No.21548473

>>21547980
Nah you’re still stupid and probably a faggot. Why don’t you find meaning instead of being a seething nihilistic cynical troublemaker.

>> No.21548517

>>21539360
you should understand your position in the dialectic nature of human consciousness. Religious cucks will seethe but human rationality will lead, ideally, to the understanding that consciousness is inherently shit and will eventually choose to end humanity existence. So, your current position is in this long process of getting, universally, in this stage. While you are in it, you should do your best to make people's lives less painful and their time in earth less hellish. That's how I cope, at least. Read Phillip Mainlander

>> No.21548847

>>21548517
Ligotti insists that humanity will never make the deliberate decision to extinguish itself. Peter Zapffe came to the same conclusion about 77 years earlier.

>> No.21548927

ligotti, zapffe and the like are all frauds for not committing and encouraging suicide if they truly believe in the absolute truth of their beliefs, which Ligotti most certainly does and yet does not practice. Any response by an anti-natalist regarding the "risks of suicide" and the act "not being worth it" are incoherent retardation when the axioms established by his worldview have already been addressed. Either life is inherently a horrible tragedy of over-evolved sentience that ought to be ended as soon as possible, or there is a degree of value to be had. Whilst the latter can vary wildly, the former is a simple fact of the anti-natalist worldview, and failure to live up to this ideal paints a more accurate picture of those espousing it than anything.

however ligotti is still a fantastic author and his adoration for lovecraft is ironic given that anything written by ligotti vastly outshines the writing of lovecraft's own best work.

>> No.21549078

>>21548927
I am sick to death of hearing about fucking Lovecraft.

>> No.21549201

>>21548517
>While you are in it, you should do your best to make people's lives less painful and their time in earth less hellish.
I drew the exact opposite conclusion. After a life of unrequited empathy towards things, now I wonder what I'm doing. I have no empathy for the cow ground into sausage, so why do I have empathy with that hominid with all of the gold? I want that gold. If I can take that gold without alerting the tribe, I will.

I want to stick my dick in instance of the more aesthetically put-together hominids. And so I shall, to their objection or not.

See my dilemma?

>> No.21549483

>>21548517
> you should understand your position in the dialectic nature of human consciousness. Religious cucks will seethe but human rationality will lead, ideally, to the understanding that consciousness is inherently shit and will eventually choose to end humanity existence. So, your current position is in this long process of getting, universally, in this stage. While you are in it, you should do your best to make people's lives less painful and their time in earth less hellish. That's how I cope, at least. Read Phillip Mainlander
Everyone everyone gather around. This is a great example of mental gymnastics. You’re a perfect fan of this drifter.

>> No.21549487

>>21549078
Too bad. I bet you haven’t even heard a single love craft historical society song? Hmmm faggot

>> No.21549488

>>21549078
This. Lovecraft is pure Reddit and anyone that claims otherwise because he named his fucking cat le funny racist word is a double-nigger

>> No.21550225

>>21547539
Because it would be illegal I guess, see >>21548077

>> No.21550912

>>21549078
If you don't want to hear about Lovecraft then don't participate in threads about authors who draw heavily from him.

>> No.21551248

>>21548020
Women being evil and two faced and the masculine urge to conquer and protect something? It should be better with a genuine and true hearted mentally stable woman...

>> No.21551307

>>21549078
Lovecraft could not comprehend the totality of God immanent in this life.