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Someone explain Dante's Paradiso to me please. For being in the /lit/ sticky OP, it's discussed surprinsingly little.

>> No.21644239

>>21644227
As you ascend towards god, you are a person better equipped for intimacy with and appreciating god. It is kind of like gaping for His Fist. The outermost layer is just rubbing the date.

>> No.21644240

>>21644227
Late stage capitalism

>> No.21644244

>For being in the /lit/ sticky OP, it's discussed surprinsingly little.
It's almost like /lit/ doesn't read

>> No.21644246

white ethnostate

>> No.21644262 [DELETED] 

>>21644227
"Dante's Paradiso" is a story about a man named Dante who takes a trip to Heaven. He goes through nine different levels of Heaven and meets lots of special people, like angels and saints. He talks to them and learns about God and the universe.

Along the way, he thinks about big questions like what happens after we die, why bad things happen to good people, and what makes us who we are. He has a special helper named Beatrice who shows him the way and helps him understand what he sees. In the end, Dante gets to meet God and have a conversation with Him.

>> No.21644733

>>21644262
ChatGPT is mega cringe and does not sound human

>> No.21644747

>>21644227
>For being in the /lit/ sticky OP
Yeah some mod with a lot of pretensions changed to that image against broad objection. They thought they were kicking /pol/ out lol

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>>21644227
What is there to be explained? I thought most things were very clear in that part, and if something wasn't, most editions come with useful annotations. The plot is fairly simple: Dante meets Beatrice and slowly ascends through earthly paradise, moon, and planet to heaven, meeting the saints and theologians along the way, finally being able to look at God (your picture), described as a rose and the ultimate expression of love.

>> No.21645005

>>21644747
Everyone knows /pol/ posters absolutely hate Catholicism

>> No.21645644
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>>21644227
I'd have enjoyed this more if I was catholic but otherwise it's a bit on the nose
>Plato and Aristotle deep down in some nether land while fatso Aquinas is the graceful dancer at the of the world
Come on now, be serious

>> No.21645647

>>21644227
it hurts my soul to see that people think a fanfiction of a larp loser italian from centuries ago is still seen as a literary work. i should travel to italy to spit on that dudes grave

>> No.21645652

>>21645647
Embarrassing post

>> No.21645665

>>21645652
what makes the comedy important? defend your point. dante was an incel loser

>> No.21645677

>>21645665
>what makes the comedy important? defend your point.
Lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_in_popular_culture

>> No.21645687

>>21645677
Can you please use your words? What makes that retarded fanfiction good in your opinion? Try to articulate, we're not n-words

>> No.21645710

>>21645687
see
>>17557914
It's a single most important book in all of /lit/

>> No.21645711

>>21645687
First you asked what makes it important. The influence it had over the works shown in that link. Now you asked what makes it good. Many things make it good. Inferno has great imagery, purgatorio encapsulates a lot of our human nature and our paths to repentence, and paradiso combines the beauty of describing something inimaginable with a blend of synthesizing medieval theological thought. To say Divine Comedy not good is embarrassing even if you don't like it.

>> No.21645747

>>21645005
Dante's not its biggest fan either.

>> No.21645755

>>21645747
>he didn't like some popes at the time therefore he hates catholicism
This is the atheist understanding of religions

>> No.21645798

>>21645710
It isn't
>>21645711
>The influence it had over the works shown in that link
Yes, NPCs like shit. What else is new?
>Inferno has great imagery
Meaningless sophism. Muhhh beautiful words. Even if it was true, it's not, asinine point. Also, do you know Italian?
>purgatorio encapsulates a lot of our human nature and our paths to repentence
This is a good point. Please consider that almost every work of literature encapsulates human nature, and nearly every single one does it better than dantes bullshit.
>and paradiso combines the beauty of describing something inimaginable with a blend of synthesizing medieval theological thought
What is that theological thought is it you're speaking of? What christian concepts are being discussed in that piece of shit book? How Danniggerte described his political opponents burn in hell?
>To say Divine Comedy not good is embarrassing even if you don't like it.
I'm not saying Divine Comedy is not good. It's shit. It's worth less than the literal shit turn I pushed out of my ass half an hour ago. And you're either a pretentious hack, a r*dditor or a soulless npc if you think otherwise.

I'm being overly rude just because it's fun right now but I'm partially serious. Nothing in it warrants its praise.

>> No.21645802

>>21645755
Some of the things he said became Reformation theses. He's a very big fan of Jesus Christ, but Catholicism, not so much.

>> No.21645808

>>21645798
Call me when your novel gets the sticky

>> No.21645809

>>21645798
Another embarrassing post. Seems like you're just very low IQ.

>> No.21645818

>>21645809
You're an n-word in spirit.
>>21645808
popular=good, right? is life fun as a retarded person? i'm asking you because you are retarded.

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21645819

>>21645802
Kek protestants and atheists are indistinguishable in today's world

>> No.21645829

>>21645819
You don't seem to be able to make out who's Catholic, Protestant, or atheist, to be fair.

>> No.21645831

>21645818
Pointless contrarian

>> No.21645832

>>21645829
Dante was Catholic and you're coping, that's all there is to make out here

>> No.21645834

>>21645818
So Divine Comedy is popular now? Maybe even significant? Or even, dare I say, important?

>> No.21645835

>>21645832
Being Catholic doesn't make you a fan of Catholicism, and Dante was not a fan of Catholicism.

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>>21645835
>more cope

>> No.21645853

>>21645835
Post ONE quote, ONE, where DANTE criticizes CATHOLICISM (not the Catholic Church during his time but CATHOLICISM)

>> No.21645859

>>21645849
>He thinks he's going to retroactively change Dante's mind
Dante was also a much bigger sperger than you, so I don't think you're winning that fight either.

>> No.21645863

>>21645831
By withholding your (You), you're unironically proving to me that you think these replies are valuable. They are like little r*ddit points to you. Maybe go back?
>>21645834
Do I have to repeat myself like a broken record? Just because you literally have an IQ that consists of double digits? NPCs like shit. It's nothing new.
Imagine simping for Dante on a kongolese gorilla keeping forum. He's not gonna fuck you

>> No.21645864

>>21645853
The form of the church is the life of Christ.

>> No.21645869

>>21645864
>no quote
You got BTFO

>> No.21645876

>>21645869
>>21645864
Is literally quoting Dante. Try reading.

>> No.21645880

>>21645802
And some of the other things he said are Catholic dogmas. I don't think it's fair to claim Dante as some kind of proto-Protestant, considering his strong insistence on the cult of saints. Comedy also strongly condemns heretics. I don't remember right now, but wasn't there something about the special role of Mary too? Dante is a big fan of Catholicism, just not the earthly practices of corrupt church officials.

>> No.21645894

>>21645876
>Post ONE quote, ONE, where DANTE criticizes CATHOLICISM

>> No.21645899

>>21645880
>some of the other things he said are Catholic dogmas
Not all of them at the time
>it's fair to claim Dante as some kind of proto-Protestant
I didn't. I said he wasn't a fan of the Church and to support that I pointed out he had criticisms beyond simply a Pope is a ruthless businessman. What you are saying does not make him a fan of Catholicism. Neither he nor the Church would class him as a fan. It's pretty easy to understand the position if you're familiar with Catholicism.

>> No.21645906

>>21645863
>Do I have to repeat myself like a broken record?
You have been doing this all thread, so please, go on. It's very amusing.

>> No.21645910

>>21645894
I get you don't understand what Catholics talk or write about, and so you don't understand Dante's criticism of the Church or his ideal for Catholicism being untenable given Catholicism's biblical supports for her Church's ideal.

>> No.21645913

>>21645910
>still no quote
I accept your concession

>> No.21645919

>>21645906
You're the type of dude that got bullied in middle school

>> No.21645921

>>21645913
I know you can't recognise the Dante quote I referred you to because you haven't read him but that's really a you problem.

>> No.21645929

>>21645921
Post a proper quote with reference, not whatever dipshit translation you found online cunt. Book, canto, line. Make sure it criticizes Catholicism not whatever retarded ideas you have in your limited brain.

>> No.21645930

>>21644733
She doesn't know the context she's writing to and didn't ask for her work to be stolen and reposted without permission. Ask her to explain it to a group of edgy tryhard supervillains and perhaps she will do a better job for you

>> No.21645941

>>21645919
And yet you still reply to me. If I am a retarded NPC, then who are you, someone who keeps replying to me?

>> No.21645972

>>21645941
Yes

>> No.21646011

>>21645929
Kek you can't recognise it because you haven't read him. Admit it, apologise, and beg to be spoonfed like a little baby and I might. If not, everyone who's read Dante (and not just the greatest hits lol) knows the line and has no need for me to post it because they're not spoonfed little crying babies.

>> No.21646012

>>21646011
>still no quote
You're just pathetic now

>> No.21646019

>>21646012
Admit you haven't read it, apologise, and beg to be spoonfed and I'll post the exact line citation lol

>> No.21646038

>>21646019
Not only have I read it, I know what you're referring to, I know it doesn't say what you think it does, and I know you don't know what nature or form means in Thomistic philosophy. Now:
>Post ONE quote, ONE, where DANTE criticizes CATHOLICISM

>> No.21646049

>>21646038
>He doesn't know the line and hopes he can bluff it out
I'm cool with that too, but if you want to know the line citation, all you have to do is admit you haven't read it and apologise and then beg to be spoonfed it like a little baby.

>> No.21646060

>>21646049
I accept your concession

>> No.21646071

>>21646060
If you want to know where I was quoting from you can admit you haven't read Dante, apologise, and beg me to spoofeed you the line citation for the quote I already referred you to. Just a helpful reminder.

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>>21646071
This is where Dante first says what you think it says. I don't need you to spoonfeed anything, I already know you're retarded, illiterate, and have nothing to add to the topic, and I accepted your concession.

>> No.21646096

>>21646081
Thank you for conceding I was in fact quoting Dante being critical of the Church, and for supplying evidence he was not a fan of Catholicism. I consider my point he was not a fan of Catholicism to have been accepted by you, and it only took you how many posts? Lol.

>> No.21646102

>>21646096
>supplying evidence he was not a fan of Catholicism
Never happened but I get it, you're retarded and mentally ill

>> No.21646115

>>21646102
That is direct evidence he isn't a fan of Catholicism, as the form of Catholicism does not come from the life of Christ, not his words or deeds, and Dante is a fan of a different form.

>> No.21646131

>>21646102
You did just post a screenshot of one of Dante's riskiest challenges to the church >>21646081
Legitimate question: do you have autism?

>> No.21646133

>>21646115
>the form of Catholicism does not come from the life of Christ
Where does Dante say this?

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>>21644227
they hated him because he told the truth

>> No.21646140

>>21646131
See >>21645894

>> No.21646142

>>21646133
>Dante is in charge of and originated Catholicism
lol wat?

>> No.21646147

>>21646142
Almost forgot you're illiterate and retarded, thanks for reminding me

>> No.21646156

>>21646140
I'm just saying autism would explain a lot of your posts ITT and your trouble with losing and why people can see through your lies easily.

>> No.21646160

>>21646147
You're the one who didn't understand the form of Catholicism wasn't at Dante's behest.

>> No.21646162

>>21646096
This anon is a retarded incel
>>21646102
This anon is objectively right

>> No.21646164

>>21646156
Losing what? Your low IQ never enabled you to form a coherent argument, post a quote, or do anything to promote your beliefs. You're plain and simple retarded.

>> No.21646170

>>21646164
It's okay buddy, you got a fidget spinner?

>> No.21647959

>>21644240
It’s not and stop trying to force this already.

>> No.21647968

>>21647959
This my first visit to this board in like two years stop being so serious faggot

>> No.21648327

KEK gotta say, I believe this >>21646071 >>21646096 anon is Catholic. The only people who are going to force you to research for yourself how you're wrong and make you apologize and tell the truth and explain why you were wrong are cradle Caths. The anon who didn't know the quote from Dante should have never called the Catholic anon an atheist at the start. I don't think he saw the barrell he was going to be bent over when he got that wrong.

>> No.21649465

>>21648327
Stop samefagging autist