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[Anonymous No.21658772]

I can't be the only one who sees the parallel between Rome 2000 years ago and today's society?

[Anonymous No.21658811]

Progressivism : Christianity
Malcom X : John the Baptist
MLK : Jesus
Augustine : Derrick Bell
Obama : Emperor Constantine
Trump : Julian the Apostate

[Anonymous No.21658829]

>>21658772
Have you ever read "The Coming Caesars"? It's about this exact topic.

[Anonymous No.21658835]

Not only are you not the only one but this narrative has become the fascination of alt-media ever since they discovered Spengler years ago.

[Anonymous No.21658847]

>>21658829
>>21658772
There is no coming Caesar, you live in the late Pagan era with the new religion damning your ancestors for worshiping the wrong gods.

[Anonymous No.21658852]

>>21658772
What book

[Anonymous No.21658873]

The last bit is obviously not parallel. There was no regular army of Rome. There were armies which belonged to General A in one case and General B in another. In the United States, we have a singular standing regular army. The only things like the armies of Roman generals are the national guard units that exist in every state.

[Anonymous No.21658877]

>>21658772
>perhaps because their blood was beginning to show a mixture of African and Oriental strains
>implying

[Anonymous No.21658898]

>>21658847
Which gods are the correct ones, if you say the Judeo-Christian one, i will laugh and mock you. The only correct faith now, one that can deliver a world you want to live within, is a Syncretic form of Positive Christianity, with the key figures changed to reflect and support nativism and ethnic exclusion. The removal of original sin and the idea that man is flawed.

[Anonymous No.21658918]

>>21658898
Only correct religion

[Anonymous No.21658923]

>>21658847
You can recommend a book without agreeing with the thesis

[Anonymous No.21658930]

>>21658873
Yes, I was thinking most if not all have parallels, except the last one. Although, I am aware that the US has over the last decade or two increasingly made use of mercenaries in many countries, and private mercenary companies are wielding considerable influence these days.

[Anonymous No.21658934]

>>21658852
A Bird's-eye View of World History by Rene Sedillot

[Anonymous No.21658935]

>>21658772
No, you are not:
https://youtu.be/vMR8RjQlqHM

[Anonymous No.21658937]

>>21658772
What book?

[Anonymous No.21658940]

>>21658772
There is nothing new under the sun.

[Anonymous No.21658941]

Hitler delayed the decay of Rome by a century.

[Anonymous No.21658957]

>>21658937
see>>21658934

[Anonymous No.21658962]

>>21658772
Republics are always oligarchy.
The contrary isn’t any better. Two sides of the same coin.
There’s nothing surprising about this at all. Benjamin Franklin saw it from the start. Paine too probably. Why else do you think a socialist movement grew out of this?

[Anonymous No.21658982]

>>21658772
If you want to get into another interesting aspect of roman history, check out "Final Pagan Generation" by Watts, it gets into the detailed process of the empires conversion towards Christianity, it's pretty good albeit a bit dry at times, but it's definetly interesting to read about the internal mechanisms of the roman ruling class and how the pagans ended up losing the political battle and how even Julians reign had little success in reversing the process that ended up destroying roman paganism on a broad societal level.

[Anonymous No.21659011]

>>21658982
Thats sounds like an intriguing subject, never though it could be seen from their perspective. Usually you read the emperor changed the religion, and the rest is history, as they say.

[Anonymous No.21659120]

>>21658772
Fuck the princeps, Polypius was right, i still cry for the fall of the Res Publica

[Anonymous No.21659147]

>>21658772
yes anon, you are the only one

[Anonymous No.21659227]

>mix of African and Oriental strains
>"losing their warlike spirit"
That's a completely COMPLETELY different interpretation from what is seen nowadays. African and '''oriental''' blood today equate to the psychopath savage gene

[Anonymous No.21659315]

>>21659011
It's more intricate than that, Constantine adopting christianity was just a big domino in a larger chain, he and his immediate heirs were basically ruling an empire whose bureacracy was staffed by and largely recruited from noble families who were still mostly pagan, and any change in imperial policiy was not just dependent on the emperors will, but on the cooperation of the local elites in charge of enacting those changes, and there was no easy way of simply forcing conversion on them from the top down. The books gets further into detail about the intricacies of the roman political ladder, how young noblemen would come into positions of influence it was mostly nepotism and how the christians were able to establish their own networks of influence to rival the political power of pagan rome. There's also a part that gets into the economic situation of the roman nobility during the period which I found quite interesting. It's a good book to get a deeper insight into the actual workings of the imperial body

[Anonymous No.21659556]

>>21658772
>The workers lost the love of work.
Lol every time.
>Nooo why are the workerinos not willingly and happily slaving away at the mines without complaints, like REAL MEN would!11!! It was totally different back in the day!!

Only bested by:
>losing their warlike spirit and forgetting the virtues of the soldier

>noooo workerinos won't go willingly get murdered by barbarians so that I can draw larger borders on my map nooo where did the real men go!!1!

[Anonymous No.21659575]

>>21659227
Might play on the roman understanding of the terms, to them the eastern provinces where full of effeminate fags that dressed like women, wore make-up and lived lavish homo lifestyles. Of course many rich romans also lived lavish homo lifestyles, but they still dressed rather conservativley in comparison.

[Anonymous No.21659682]

>>21658930
It’s a different dynamic. The ruling class of the United States is also different. The Romans did not believe in separation of church and state and did not demarcate their state into functional groups like the executive, the legislative, and the judicial nor did they over-value the role of law in the state nor view law as a specialized occupation within the state with necessary credentials like we do. A Roman patrician was a military commander and be elected priest, senator, judge, treasurer, or prosecutor. Only lawyers can be all of these things in America.

[Anonymous No.21660160]

>>21659682
History never repeats but it often rhymes. If you can’t see the obvious signs of decay you’re walking around blindfolded.

[Anonymous No.21660176]

>>21659147
>>14628515
>>14628947

[Anonymous No.21660216]

>>21659227
Romans largely viewed Africans as intelligent but cowardly and Germans as stupid but savage.

[Anonymous No.21660221]

>>21658898
>Which gods are the correct ones
Klaus Schwab and tranny dick.

[Anonymous No.21660225]

>>21660216
Please let this be true. Sauce us bro.

[Anonymous No.21660338]

>>21658772
No of course you're not the only one; other people are fucking idiots like you also.

[Anonymous No.21660417]

>>21658957
i am a dumbass poopybrain who can’t figure out what book this is from from context or Google or anything. help?