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Recently started looking into religious studies and esotericism and it has blown my mind wide the fuck open, religion is the biggest scam of all time. Literally everybody in any position of power in religious institutions is a metaphysical naturalist so for all intents and purposes religion just exists to grift the superstitious plebs. And the worst part is, the biggest one is a literal pedo cult. What the fuck man. What are some good places to start with literature against religion? Pic related seems cool, Jean Meslier was an 18th century French priest who upon death was discovered to have written a secret book about how religion is garbage and fake.

>> No.21859680

>>21859671
For antiquity, start with Whitmarsh, Battling the Gods: Atheism in the Ancient World and check out the authors he discusses.
Also, kys atheist.

>> No.21859689

>>21859680
Well thanks for the rec, religioncuck.

>> No.21859690

Man is the wicked animal par excellence. His more multiplied needs harass him with more stings. In his species, he has all the more needs, starting from sufferings, starting from excitations with the evil, that he is more intelligent. It would therefore seem natural that his bad instincts should increase in direct proportion to the need to break down more obstacles in order to arrive at a state of satisfaction. But, by a happy return, it is not so. Reason, more perfected at the same time that it aims higher and is more demanding, enlightens the creature it leads on the material disadvantages of too absolute abandonment to all the suggestions of interest. The religion, even imperfect or false, which this being always conceives in a somewhat lofty way, forbids him to give in on any occasion to his destructive inclinations.

>> No.21859700

>>21859690
Seems like cope. Historically, religion has served the scam the normies. Do you think things would be even worse without the holy larp?

>> No.21859710

>>21859700
I think religion directly results from the development of reason. Being without religion is the same as being animal, with more intelligence but nothing else.

>> No.21859739

Start with de Sade

>> No.21859740

>>21859710
It's probably true that most people need an existing meme to function without committing constant evil but you could just steal aspects from religion you like and not bother with the institutions or culture. I already do this anyway as I'm effectively a Protestant christcuck in my actions even if I don't go to the church I was raised in anymore.

>> No.21859747

>>21859671
You should take a nuanced opinion. Religion exists as an expression of man's deepest feelings and symbols

>> No.21859753
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>>21859747
saved.

>> No.21859754

>>21859740
It's not that they don't commit evil, they don't even believe evil exists. Morality is reduced to what is socially accepted and what is not as a result.

>> No.21859757

>>21859754
Sure but a person can decide to value morality or at least "kindness" without religion. Many benevolent people do this consciously or unconsciously.

>> No.21859770

>>21859757
No they can't. Morality is part of religion. Atheists are amoral beings or they reduce it to what society accepts at best.

>> No.21859792

>>21859770
I base my actions on "charity" i.e. being as charitable to people and animals as I can, trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt (except religious demagogues) and wishing the best for everyone. None of this is based on what is socially acceptable, I just do it because I want goodness to prevail. inb4 some weird shit about how that technically makes a person a theist

>> No.21859805

>>21859792
Everyone can say he is good
You also sound very feminine
Something a woman would do to be perceived as good by society
None of this implies a theology and it also has nothing to do with morality
It's just self-gratification

>> No.21859818

>>21859805
If basing your actions around positivity and kindness is not morality then you'd be right, I don't care about morality. But I disagree that this behavior should not be defined as morality. You are just accusing me of arguing in bad faith which is boring and untrue.

>> No.21859839

>>21859818
You have no religion.
You are amoral.
Your individuality and how it is perceived by others is your sole concern.
You have never engaged in concerning yourself with other things because you think your individuality is the only thing that relevantly exists.
Such is the state of animals.
It is not that they never do good things to others,but they are indifferent to death and they willingly make others suffer if it pleases their instincts.
You would be an animal if you didn't have the capacity of comprehending religion while willingly refusing to refuse it's validity.
This is the reason why you will forever burn in hell.

>> No.21859852

>>21859839
>join my pedo cult or you are just a selfish animal. it's literally impossible for a human being to be selfless unless they gaslight themself into worshiping some retarded myth from antiquity

Projection.

>> No.21859859

>>21859852
You only say this because you want me to perceive you as good. I reject this notion and call you an evil man for the mere fact of being an atheist. Nothing will change this conviction.

>> No.21859866

>>21859859
No, I just want you to realize that you are part of a disgusting organization based on lies. The truth is valuable. Religion came from the human mind and some people are mature enough to retain its values while rejecting its absurdities. Why is that so hard for you to believe?

>> No.21859869

Bros, lately I've been feeling above slave morality, and like I should act as one of the great men of history, like a Napoleon. In this regard, I am considering robbing an elderly pawnbroker. Is this a good idea y/n?

>> No.21859881

>>21859866
What is absurd about religion?

>> No.21859882

>>21859869
Nah just create your own system where not being an asshole is cool and be nice to the pawnbroker instead, übermensch.

>> No.21859893

>>21859881
The fact that if most of the people in the pews knew what their leaders really think, they would look at their preachers with disgust. "God" is only "real" to a priest in an obtuse and technical sense, and of course many of them are just straight up sadistic atheists but that's beside the point. The average person is a magical thinker. I would say this whole state of affairs is absurd.

>> No.21859902

>>21859893
Dude stfu. Leaders lol and who are these leaders? You have to be 18 to post here. Pathetic atheist.

>> No.21859908

>>21859902
Leaders of the church, moron.

>> No.21860278

Bump for actual book discussion.

>> No.21860443

>>21859671
The two Krishnamurtis (Jiddu Krishnamurti and U.G. Krishnamurti) are very good and interesting thinkers for this. U.G. is brought up more often here and on /x/ but I find him a bit cruder and shallower compared to Jiddu, although I think he attracts more interest online because of how much more bombastic he is, as well as how he talks about his reputed mystical experiences (which he of course deconstructs and denies the validity of, or their attainability by anyone else, but which still offer a lot of interest to people).

If God exists, I’m certain He loves decent, humanitarian, charitable, hard-working and virtuous agnostics who do good work for humanity than he does pompous, dogmatic, lazy and self-satisfied theists who spread dissension and hate.

>> No.21860447

>>21859869
If it is that kike family from TV, y

>> No.21860451

Look into Mesmerism. It's science as a religious belief

>> No.21860468

>>21860443
I've seen some Krishnamurti posts here but didn't realize that's what he's about, will check it out.

>>21860451
Seems more like a practice than a full blown religion though.

>> No.21860478

>>21859671
>Literally everybody in any position of power in religious institutions is a metaphysical naturalist
Why do you think you can just make up shit and get away with it?

>> No.21860483

>>21859671
>And the worst part is, the biggest one is a literal pedo cult.
Yeah, it's weird how rabbis suck baby dicks, isn't it?

>> No.21860484

>>21859671
Early Modern Atheism from Spinoza to D'Holbach by Gianluca Mori

>> No.21860487

>>21859680
>kys atheist
watch out you might burn in hell

>> No.21860489
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>>21859700
It amuses me when atheists act like they aren't normalfags.

>> No.21860491

>>21860484
>Spinoza
Funny how so many atheists are jews, huh?

>> No.21860508

>>21860478
It's hyperbole. Of course there are many superstitious clergytards. But most of them are just silver tongues condescending to their audiences. Here's a fun fact from Richard Sipe, the guy who blew up the original pedo scandal in Boston: over half of Catholic priests are involved with a sexual relationship with an adult, and an estimated 6% are pedos according to records showing them being shifted around for child rape accusations. If these people are lying about their celibacy do you really think they give a fuck about some literal, supernatural god? And that's before you get into the fact that over 1 in 20 are banging kids so obviously they don't give a shit about a god's literal wrath.

>> No.21860524

>>21860508
Why do you take the words of some dishonest journo kike at face value?
The entire boston scandal was a jewish psyop.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/06/14/spotlight-on-double-standards-at-the-boston-globe/

>> No.21860530

>>21860524
Doesn't seem like you know much about the subject else you would know Sipe was not a journalist, he was a Benedictine monk and psychotherapist.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21860551

>>21860530
Sipe was an opportunistic liar.
http://www.themediareport.com/2013/08/07/richard-sipe-ex-priest/
Atheists are retarded cattle. You flatter yourself by pretending to be "above the herd", but you readily eat up anti-clerical myths peddled by jews.

>> No.21860561

>>21860551
>man who hates jews worships a jew via a religion based on co-opting jewish customs

Maybe the kikes are right about the goyim being cattle fit only to serve them. Listen to yourself.

>> No.21860576 [DELETED] 

why do so many people conflate religion with people writing about their religion & religion with the church/institution?
even philosophers make that mistake

I dont understand it at all. these things have always been distinct from eachother. But people do it all the time like OP.

>> No.21860584

>>21860576
why bother separating religion from its writings and institutions? do you just mean faith?<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21860599

>>21860561
Retard.
http://churcheclipse.com/home/who-are-zionists/jesus-wasnt-a-jew/

>> No.21860605 [DELETED] 

>>21860584
>why bother
What do you mean? They're already separate. You don't make any sense at all.

>> No.21860628

>>21860599
Bro you worship a Jew and Jewish scriptures are literally part of your religion. No amount of cope can change this. Christianity is inextricably bound to Judaism and is effectively a cargo cult based on their ancient culture and beliefs. Yahweh is the Jewish storm god.

As one rabbi I was listening to on YouTube put it: look at the metaphor here, Christians worship a single Jew but they might as well worships Jews in the plural. You are absolute cattle.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>> No.21860630

>>21859700
>Do you think things would be even worse without the holy larp?
Yes, even if it's just a larp.

>> No.21860640

>>21860605
How are they separate? A religion consists of its writings and practices, so I was asking why you think there is a distinction between "religion" and religious writings + institutions. I assumed you meant the real definition of religion is faith.

>> No.21860662

>>21860630
Kinda sympathetic to this idea because at least being required to larp as virtuous religious people meant that elites had to be a bit more subtle in their machinations, so it acted as a buffer against full mask off psychopathy. But overall religion just seems like it has lost its usefulness. It's more of a burden than a benefit now.

>> No.21861049

>>21859671
read Michel Onfray, "Atheist Manifesto: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism, and Islam", great book, no holds barred, better than anything written in English.

>> No.21861091

>>21860628
>Yahweh is the Jewish storm god.
Why are you quoting the jew Freud? Atheism has always been a Jewish front just as the Jews have regarded the church as their enemy. You can only mouth the words the jews have written for you.
>Eighteen hundred years later the same phenomenon appears; the Hebrews as spreaders of atheism and of Communist materialism among the Christians, Mohammedans and the other Gentiles, take every kind of precautionary measure to prevent the materialistic cancer from infecting the Israelite communities, which they have been better able to achieve at present than in the times of Gnosticism; for the experience of eighteen centuries in this kind of service has made these destroyers into true masters in the art of handling poisons and of spreading them throughout the world without the poison infecting the Jews themselves. At all events even still in our days the Rabbis must be constantly on guard, in order to prevent materialism, with which they have immersed half the surrounding world, from causing damage in the Hebrew families. They constantly seize upon measures of different kind, in order to present this. The atheistic and materialistic poison is only destined for the Christians and Gentiles, in order to render their domination easier; for Jewry must preserve itself with its mystique purer than ever. They know that it is mysticism which makes men who fight for an ideal invincible.
https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=pinay&book=plot2&story=gnostics

>> No.21861229

>>21861091
I'm not quoting Freud schizo, Yahweh is a storm god of the Jews and none of what you posted actually addresses this. I'm very well aware of the vile behavior of Jews. This does not change Yahweh's origin. Stop worshiping kike gods.

>> No.21861267

>>21859908
who are those leaders troon?
>>21861229
>Stop worshiping kike gods.
stop dilating like atheistcucks.

>> No.21861289

>>21861267
>who are those leaders troon?

It's not that complicated, it's the clergy you fool. The college of cardinals. The pope. The Hindu gurus. The 道士. Take your pick, all the smart ones are metaphysical naturalists.

>stop dilating like atheistcucks.
Stop emotionally lashing out and make an actual argument instead of calling me a troon.

>> No.21861338

>>21861289
which clergy dilator?
your entire thread is emotional hysterics like all atheist cucks do. Back to discord where your friends congregrate.

>> No.21861380

>>21861338
If you want specific names: Pope Francis, Cardinal George Pell, Mahatma Ghandi, Li Yi, David Kaye, Your Mother, your point?

>> No.21862937

>>21861380
nice cherry picked examples. I can give you much more from secular institutions. Including your troon ideology. Also you wish Francis have done anything lmao.

>> No.21862940

>>21861380
Also just because your mottther remarried to a tyrone does not mean you should continue to live. Best course is to off yourself and prove religious how brave atheistcucks are.

>> No.21862946

>>21862940

That's nice, mr. ooga booga wololo. I'll stop around soon to gather up your family for the re-education camp.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

>> No.21863145

>>21862946
kek is that your impotent fantasies atheistcuck your kind is getting killed all around the world and only thing us has to look forward are either catholic spics or atheisti troons. your kind is too weak to do anything, your father was too busy cleaning up your whore mother to properly raise you.

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>>21863145

Is that the best you've got, trash goblin?

>> No.21863167

>>21863164
kek his best non religious people are literal zogs. Are your proud being cattle consoomer for big corporations
Also that Elon
you just came from r/atheism didn't you. Back to plebbit subhuman.

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>>21863167

Cope, pray. But I repeat myself.

>> No.21863174

>>21863172
imagine thinking your post had any point.
Cope and grab some banana.

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21863178

Is it so impossible for you to believe that God is real?

Is it so impossible for you to believe that the miraculous, the supernatural, and the otherworldly are real?

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>>21863178

Is it so hard for you to believe a Nigerian prince wants to wire me a share of his fortune for a comparatively paltry transfer fee?

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>>21863185
Can the Nigerian prince rise from the dead?

>> No.21863302

>>21863195
Can you?

>> No.21863464

>>21859671
>Holy Week starts
>atheism posting is way up
>they don't even know
Every time. Satan puts in the work I guess.

>> No.21863472

>>21860487
Evil shouldn’t be tolerated

>> No.21863475

>>21861049
Sounds like a faggot

>> No.21863476

>>21859671
>one is a literal pedo cult
Look up priestly molestation per capita and also most of these cases were 15+ yo men not <12yo.
>>21859690
>religion, even imperfect or false, which this being always conceives in a somewhat lofty way, forbids him to give in on any occasion to his destructive inclinations.
Your post is bad and just is a fever dream to justify nothing.
>>21859740
>existing meme t
Check out St. John Henry Newman development of Christian Doctrine - memes exist certainly, but institutions operate like people and not static ideas. Also, survivability and ideas is kinda nonsense with celibate priests.
>>21859869
>In this regard, I am considering robbing an elderly pawnbroker. Is this a good idea y/n?
>slave morality
You're just a slave of satan at that point.
>>21860443
>If God exists, I’m certain He loves decent, humanitarian, charitable, hard-working and virtuous agnostics who do good work for humanity than he does pompous, dogmatic, lazy and self-satisfied theists who spread dissension and hate.
This. Keep in mind being agnostic makes being charitable harder (statistically, personally, and metaphysically) but this is important - belief without fruit is worthless but belief with fruit is the best. That being said, also, sanctifying grace is just wag better than even being a decent person but I overall agree.
>>21863185
Actually check out Project Grillflame. The CIA has verified that astral projection is real. Also, lovingly, you believe in the supernatural. If everything material is bound by the rules of science and your mind is entirely material then how can it create thoughts that are opposed to sceintific laws? That means at some point science contradicts because neurons represent something not scientific which if neurons are material and totally law bound they cannot. Ergo, the brain imitates a law higher than itself, which is the soul.

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>>21859671
How about
Lucretius’ De Rerum Natura
And Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason

>> No.21864637

>>21859710
Animals already have superstition. What animals don't have is art.

>> No.21864642

>>21863472
"Do not resist an evildoer" --Jesus Christ

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>>21864637
>Animals already have superstition

>> No.21865399

>>21863464
You cannot resist me.

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Thomas Paine's 'The Age of Reason' is very good for understanding late 18th century deist critiques of organised religion. Also, just look at this cheeky chappy.

>> No.21865563

>>21864647
https://www.livescience.com/14504-superstitions-evolutionary-basis-lucky-charms.html

>> No.21865934

>>21865535
he cute