Hegel Thread

[Anonymous No.22025495]

[Anonymous No.22025624]

Hegel sucks

[Anonymous No.22025651]

Hegel is the only philosopher in history that managed to exhaust the logical Idea in presentation

[Anonymous No.22025661]

>>22025624
Schopenhauer sucks

[Anonymous No.22025882]

>>22025661
Nietzsche sucks

[Anonymous No.22025897]

>>22025495
>I'm the personified Weltgeist btw

[Anonymous No.22025919]

>>22025495
Tutorial for understanding Hegel aimed at retards: Frederick Copleston's History of Philosophy chapter on him, then Charles Taylor's Hegel, then Frederick C. Beiser extensive bibliography on Idealism. Finally, you can brawl with the man himself.

[Anonymous No.22025920]

>>22025495
>>22025624
>>22025661
>perfectly unifies Hegel, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche in the Ring

[Anonymous No.22025924]

>>22025495
Hack thread*

[Anonymous No.22025956]

>>22025495
>>22025624
>>22025661
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[Anonymous No.22025966]

>This brings us directly to my central thesis on Lenin’s reading of Hegel: i.e. that in his notes on Hegel, Lenin maintains precisely the position he had adopted previously in ‘What the “Friends of the People” Are’ and ‘Materialism and Empirio-criticism’, i.e. at a moment when he had not read Hegel, which leads us to a ‘shocking’ but correct conclusion: basically, Lenin did not need to read Hegel in order to understand him, because he had already understood Hegel, having closely read and understood Marx. Bearing this in mind, I shall hazard a peremptory aphorism of my own: ‘A century and a half later no one has understood Hegel because it is impossible to understand Hegel without having thoroughly studied and understood “Capital"!’ Provocation for provocation; I hope I shall be forgiven this one, at least in the Marxist camp.

>As for the Hegelians, they can carry on with their philosophical rumination in Hegel, Ruminator of all Ruminations, i.e. the Interpreter of all the Interpretations in the history of philosophy. At any rate, as good Hegelians, they know that History is over and that therefore they can only go round and round within the theory of the End of History, i.e. in Hegel.

>After all, it is not just roundabouts that go round and round, the wheel of history can go round and round, too. The wheel of philosophical history at least, which always goes round and round, and when it is Hegelian, its advantage, like the advantage Pascal attributed to man over the reed, is that it ‘knows it’.

>What, when, was so interesting to Lenin in Hegel’s Great Logic?

>In order to answer this question, we must first learn to read Lenin’s notes on his reading of Hegel. This is a truism, but one from which, of course, hardly anyone draws the necessary, but elementary, conclusions. We have to believe that none of the commentators of the Notebooks on Hegel have ever themselves kept a book of notes on their own individual reading.

Based schizo Althusser saving Hegel by destroying Hegelianism and Marxism-Leninism. It doesn't matter what Hegel said, what matters is dialectical sublation, even on Hegelianism.

[Anonymous No.22026140]

how the hell did Hegel manage to influence both the far-left and far-right

[Anonymous No.22026247]

>>22025966
psychoanalysis is even faker than hegelianism

[Anonymous No.22026347]

[Anonymous No.22026354]

>>22026140
He turns everyone that reads him into a politically derange lunatic due to his incoherent utopianism

[Anonymous No.22026720]

>>22026140
He is so opaque you can read pretty much anything into him; additionally, both far-right and far-left are statist, so it makes sense for both of them to derive inspiration of Hegel, since he can be regarded as the philosophical founder of modern statism.

[Anonymous No.22026733]

>>22026140
Because
Hegel was a sorcerer and the Left and Right being lobotomized bastard children of Liberalism and Conservatism don’t get this. He advocated for a supreme divine state much like the Reich or the USSR’s plans for Europe and so you can take his insights and use them to justify extreme statism or some kind of techno-socialist autarchy. Right Hegelians focus on his dealings with Spirit, Leftists focus mostly on the Dialectic itself and try to secularize that as some type of silent-pneumatic machinery that drives history towards class conflict and communist statism. They’re both insane and Hegel’s phenomenology is a form of memetic psychoactive agent that binds the minds of everyone who reads it. Its venom, pure necrotizing linguistic magic. He was a genius for this reason. Also if you’re not an autistic retard he basically shows you how the techno-alchemical engineers of civilization are transforming humanity into a sacrificial killing field for otherworldly forces but that’s not interesting to rightists or leftists because they’re castrati golem creatures who only exist to poke holes in the barrier between man’s conscious rational awareness and his subconscious cthonic realm. If you wait long enough Hegel’s name will come up in most discussions by these groups. He’s the root of all their lunacy.

[Anonymous No.22026753]

>>22025661
Uh?

[Anonymous No.22026867]

>>22026733
Based beyond belief

[Anonymous No.22027377]

>>22026347
>the skeletonkey to hegel is Whippits
i love it

[Anonymous No.22027384]

>>22026733
Masonically checked & unfathomably based
Would genuinely love to hear more Hegelanon

[Anonymous No.22027534]

Brihadaranyaka Upanishad

>If a man knows "I am brahman" in this way, he becomes this whole world. Not even the gods are able to prevent it, for he becomes their very self (atman). So when a man venerates another deity, thinking, "He is one, and I am another," he does not under-stand. As livestock is for men, so is he for the gods. As having a lot of livestock is useful to a man, so each man proves useful to the gods. The loss of even a single head of livestock is painful; how much more if many are lost. The gods, therefore, are not pleased at the prospect of men coming to understand this.

[Anonymous No.22027543]

>>22026733
By the end of the 18th century traditional Enlightenment rationalism had been discredited by a series of interlocking intellectual crises (scepticism, nihilism, Romanticism, the French Revolution and its disappointment), and the inadequacies of Kant's system were plain to everyone. Hegel was attempting to rescue the Enlightenment project with a system where Reason could justify philosophy, morality, religion and itself against radical criticism, without lapsing into the precritical dogma of a Leibniz, or the capitulation to irrationalism of a Schelling.

[Anonymous No.22027552]

Maria Orsic was the founder of The “Alldeutsche Gesellschaft für Metaphysik” (All German Society for Metaphysics), later renamed the Society of Vrilerinnen Women, better known as the Vril Society, which was a spiritual/metaphysical group involved with mediumstic contact with extraterrestrials from Aldebaran “Alpha Tauri”.

[Anonymous No.22027569]

>>22025651
>exhaust the logical Idea in presentation
What does this even mean?

[Anonymous No.22027786]

>>22025495
Helge Thread :^)

[Anonymous No.22027797]

>>22026733
nah this is kind of schizo. The human mind is not such that it can fall into actual brain poison via intellectual ideas. The more banal answer to >>22026140 's post is that there is a great deal of novel truth in Hegel. This is what both left and right pick up on.

[Anonymous No.22027803]

>>22027534
what distinguishes Hegel from Hinduism is that in Hegel there is the idea of history (indeed, history is deified). But in oriental (and schopenhaurian) pessism, the wheel of dharma simply revolves, it never makes any actual process. There is no actual dialectic, merely a cycle.

[Anonymous No.22027812]

Ok guys here's my Definitive Take on Hegel. He was alert to/discovered that there was a dynamic and dialectic within history which to a certain extent drives its development (even if through no other means than delimiting the sphere of possibilities in a systematic way, i.e: in a way that has an intelligible form, a way that was thinkable).

So the bright side, to this day, was his discovery of this impression of the trinity, their stamp on history and the world of becoming, but his darkside was that he absolutized this insight one-sidedly, making history and self-consciousness (which is the most salient thing to have emerged in human history) into a God unto itself.

Thus there is something promethean, satanic about Hegel. It is a consciousness which wishes to be its own light. This is diabolical. But nevertheless, some progress is made by this violent eruption, and we cannot "un-know" the truths which he uncovered.

[Anonymous No.22027844]

>hegelian dialectic
cringe
>transcendental dialectic
based

[Anonymous No.22027903]

>>22027812
(cont.) moreover he is THE modern philosopher for this reason, for the reason that modernity's great advance over pre-modernity is its self-consciousness.

[Anonymous No.22029377]

>>22025624

[Anonymous No.22029384]

>>22029377
to be fair, schop's mom was a massive cunt

[Anonymous No.22029948]

>>22026720
And also because both sides can use the dialectic progression of history to claim structural superiority for their systems. The exclusion of other groups, races, ethnicities, peoples based on their lack of developed spirit is easily justifiable. So is the exclusion of certain types of lifestyles which do not reflect Sittlichkeit.

[Anonymous No.22029952]

>>22025661
schopenhauer was essential for nietzsche to even exist, without schopenhauer there is no nietzsche.
nietzsche you slap in you the face if he heard you saying that.

[Anonymous No.22029956]

HEGELANONS, I need help thinking through one aspect of his philosophy:

Why does the spirit have to be embodied? Does he ever give a reason for the self-generation of spirit and its differentiation into forms. Why does self-realization even need to happen? Why can't the spirit dwell in Absolute contemplation from beginning to end, and why is Time the necessary medium for this?

[Anonymous No.22030786]

>>22029956
Because

[Anonymous No.22030866]

>>22029956
This is the central problem of all metaphysics since the beginning of philosophy and the closest to an answer we ever get is the philosopher at least acknowledging it's mysterious, like Plato does

There are a few answers that are metaphorical and non-abstract, i.e., they fail to meet Hegel's definition of philosophy proper and are "impure," only intimations of real philosophical notions:
>Some Platonists: God is so Good that It/He paradoxically(?) overflows with Goodness and produces less-good emanations
>Some Christian Platonists / Tolkien?: God is so Good that he Chooses to let his Goodness overflow and to create reality for Goodness-enjoyers, and this Choice is possibly identical to the Impersonal Absolute overflowing, but we have no way of reconciling the personal/impersonal aspects of God/Ultimate Good and you're just gonna need to Have Faith (most Christians) / Chasten Your (Ordinary) Reason and See For Yourself Mystically (Cusa, Eckhart, etc.)
>Some Kabbalists: Sort of the above, but God chose to "contract" himself to make space for the free created universe, with some higher purpose (?) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzimtzum))
>Early Schelling: Don't know
>Hegel: [Hegel things, all tantalizing but no real answer]
>Late Schelling: The fact that we don't know should freak us out. Maybe Hegel only mapped out the surface but we still haven't penetrated to ultimate being
>Schopenhauer: I explicitly do not know, and we can never know (Epilogue to the second volume of World as Will and Representation)
>Most Hindus and Buddhists: Either don't know OR don't know + don't care, similar to Christian Platonists (Chasten Your (Ordinary) Reason and See For Yourself )

[Anonymous No.22030958]

>>22025495
is it naive to call Hegel's system somewhat of a formalization of Irony -- where wisdom is the avoidance of irony: where your good intentions are not the very reason you don't do good, where your very efforts to bring people together are the reason they begin to fight (formalized as x does y for z, and y is why x doesn't get z), "it is the very thing that performs", background/foreground flip-flops, "when you stop on a road, its no longer a road but a place", this type of ironic "as soon as one posits this, by its very nature it generates its opposite" kind of thing, but implanted toward every crevice of thought and absorbed into the whole history of philosophy (and attempting to pre-emptively respond to every critique on the Phenomenological Journey that leads to the Science)

[Anonymous No.22030969]

>>22025624
>Schopenhauer does not have a frog.
Lost before entering the battle

[Anonymous No.22030980]

>>22029956
There are two ways to answer this question. Either study all works of philosophy from the beginning of time until now and use your powers of intellection to arrive at an answer, or directly experience the answer yourself!

[Anonymous No.22031017]

>>22029384
that's probably because she knew, on a spiritual level, that he would grow up to be a little bitch no matter how she raised him.

[Anonymous No.22031076]

>>22031017
>woman
>spiritual intuition of any kind
lmao okay retard

[Anonymous No.22031084]

>>22031076
I wouldn’t go that far. Most women are spiritually dead, but there are woman saints. They’re rare tho, but so are saints who are men.

[Anonymous No.22031133]

>>22030866
Upon asking this question, I realize it is one of the (perhaps unanswerable) fundamental metaphysical questions akin to "why is there anything at all?" but I was at least hoping yung Heg Heg could give me a flawed reason or some kind of explanation. I suppose it is vaguely related to his notion of pure being/pure nothing collapsing in on itself. If The Absolute is the immanent logic of everything, then perhaps it is in its nature to collapse into differentiated being, even if this immanent logic itself cannot be explained (which I don't think Hegel attempts to do).

[Anonymous No.22031387]

>>22025495

[Anonymous No.22031412]

for anyone interested in making the trek I've read a few different books of Hegel secondary and this is the only one that was actually helpful

[Anonymous No.22031428]

>>22030958
When you state it like that it makes sense why it'd short-circuit critical thinking

[Anonymous No.22031445]

>>22031428
and brings to question the Logic of Shortcircuits in and of itself. it truly is a sort of necrotic magick that seeps into every crevice of your thoughts because you can never stay still: in the same way you can't stop on a road because when you stop its no longer a road, its a place -- likewise, the movement of the subject through time of which the consciousness that gains self-knowledge of which changes what constitutes the Absolute which changes what the subject observes | exiting the dialectic = stopping on a road, which turns it from a road to merely a place -- the meme that Hegel is a sorcerer isn't even hyperbole or 'based meme', its a straight, direct fact. picrel

[Anonymous No.22031449]

>>22031445
>in the same way you can't stop on a road because when you stop its no longer a road, its a place -
Still a road

[Anonymous No.22031459]

>>22031445
Hegel and Hermetic Tradition reader you are. Not far from the truth. Hegel was a explicit Christian though. Although the core of Hermeticism and Christianity are the same.

[Anonymous No.22031533]

>>22025920
What you say of Die meistersinger von Nürnberg? It made me a bit mad tbqh.

[Anonymous No.22031748]

>>22031387
Goes beyond reason
>Where's le reason.

[Anonymous No.22033036]

>>22025495
That should be titled HegelGroyper.

[Anonymous No.22033073]

>>22025624
the fact that his own mother couldn't stand him tells u everything u need to know about Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.22033351]

>>22031459
Did Hegel ever write anything specifically about Christ or the Incarnation?

[Anonymous No.22033363]

>>22031533
It's his best drama. Why would it make you mad.

[Anonymous No.22033404]

>>22025897
>>22025919
Does that help you get girls?

[Anonymous No.22033995]

>>22025495
>But even regarding History as the slaughter-bench at which the happiness of peoples, the wisdom of States, and the virtue of individuals have been victimised — the question involuntarily arises — to what principle, to what final aim these enormous sacrifices have been offered.”
>Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, The Philosophy of History
What did he mean by that?

[Anonymous No.22034081]

>>22026733
check'd and kek'd

[Anonymous No.22034217]

>>22025661
It always stuck with me how Nietzsche said that Schopenhauer was his one true teacher, and yet his own work was basically a repudiation of everything that Schopenhauer ever said. I think that's the mark of a great mind - when you can be deeply influenced by someone but still disagree with them.

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>>22033995
>As Hegel observes, world history is not a success story where good is always rewarded and evil always punished; it is more nearly a slaughterhouse, in which the noblest and the best are frequently destroyed, villains prosper, and change sweeps everything away.

[Anonymous No.22034502]

>>22033404
yes, by utilizing the technique of dialectic seduction, you can convince any women to fall hopelessly in love with you.

[Anonymous No.22034648]

I've heard there are some who commit school shootings or other atrocities as a form of mass ritual to control the world-historical Geist. Anyone ever read about that kind if thing?

[Anonymous No.22034668]

>>22034648
Well yeah that's pretty much the point of their manifestos?

[Anonymous No.22034675]

>>22026733
>checked
>so you can take his insights and use them to justify extreme statism or some kind of techno-socialist autarchy
hehehe

[Anonymous No.22034691]

>>22030866
Is the full answer to this question even intelligible to human beings? It seems like every answer presented here besides mystically seeing for yourself has logical flaws of one kind or another.

[Anonymous No.22034707]

>>22033073
If your bipolar freak Ur-Arthoe mother drove your father to suicide running up bills, you'd do the same.

[Anonymous No.22034736]

>>22026347
I FINALLY UNDERSTAND HEGEL

[Anonymous No.22035723]

>>22033351
Yes

[Anonymous No.22036464]

>>22026347
what's the drug to understand Heidegger?
Hash?

[Anonymous No.22037826]

Bump

[Anonymous No.22037889]

>>22036464
glühwein