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[Anonymous No.22039170]

Did he ever read Schopenhauer or Hegel

Or any of the 19th century Germans for that matter

[Anonymous No.22039184]

Why does he always looks spooked out of his mind

[Anonymous No.22039192]

>>22039170
please stop talking about this guy.

[Anonymous No.22039209]

>>22039170
I think he denounced Schopenhauer in his studies in Hindu Doctrines as a westerner who projected his own philosophy onto Hinduism


As for Hegel I have no idea

[Anonymous No.22039213]

>>22039170
Is it also true that some guy saved him from a well and this guy ran away and then was also the Sufi master who later initiated him

[Anonymous No.22039216]

>>22039184
Opium

[Anonymous No.22039230]

>>22039170
None of them. He was a charlatan.

[Anonymous No.22039422]

>>22039170
>The English mentality, of course, has no aptitude for metaphysical conceptions, but it does not make any pretension in this respect either, while the German mentality, which is not really better endowed, has the greatest illusions. To realize this, we need only compare what the two peoples have produced in terms of philosophy.

>The English mind hardly left the practical order, represented by morality, sociology, and experimental science, represented by the science of psychology which it invented. When the English mind is concerned with logic, it is above all induction that he has in view and to which he gives preponderance over deduction. On the other hand, if we consider German philosophy, we only find in it hypotheses and systems with metaphysical pretensions, deductions from a fanciful starting point, ideas which might seem to be profound when they are simply nebulous; and this pseudo-metaphysics, which is everything that is farthest from true metaphysics, the Germans claim to find in others, whose conceptions they always interpret according to their own

- Rene Guenon (pbuh)

[Anonymous No.22039755]

>>22039422
Lol, unfathomly based.

[Anonymous No.22039766]

>>22039422
if Hegel wrote 1000 years before Guenon was born he would worship Hegel as an arbiter of divine tradition. this bullshit about le english and le germans is just more mimetic evaluations based on ignorance and prejudice that proves Guenon is not a serious thinker.

[Anonymous No.22039823]

>>22039422
>the science of psychology which [the English] invented.
Stopped reading right there. Guenon is an embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.22039827]

>>22039823
but that is the part of the quote that is correct.

[Anonymous No.22039828]

>>22039755
>unfathomably ignorant
ftfy

[Anonymous No.22039832]

>>22039827
kek not even

[Anonymous No.22040984]

>>22039422
What book is this from?

[Anonymous No.22041038]

>>22039213
Ivan Agueli?

[Anonymous No.22041253]

>>22041038
No it was Shaikh Salāma Ḥasan al-Rāḍī
Here is the quote some anon posted
I don’t know if it’s just made up or actually real


>When Rene Guénon was a young man in France, one night he set out for a long walk through the woods. During this exercise in “peripatetic contemplation,” a practice to which he had accustomed himself, he accidentally fell into a ditch that was so deep it was impossible for him to find a way out on his own.>Stranded in complete darkness in this pit in the middle of the woods, with no one within sight to be summoned for help, Guénon thought he had finally met his end. As he prepared himself for what seemed to be an inevitable death, a hand appeared from above, seemingly out of nowhere, and pulled him out of the ditch.>No sooner, however, had he been rescued by this unknown figure, that he took off and disappeared into the woods, as swiftly and mysteriously as he had appeared. While Guénon’s attempts to catch up to him to offer his heartfelt gratitude were unsuccessful, he did manage to get a clear look at his face. Many years later, while in Cairo, Guénon attended a Sufi gathering involving a majlis of dhikr, only to find the man who had rescued him years before in France seating at the center of the gathering.>As Guénon went into a shock, ecstatically pointing at the man who he recognized from years before, the mysterious figure who happened to be Shaikh Salāma Ḥasan al-Rāḍī, a Sufi master, stood up, smiled and embraced Guenon, acknowledging their previous encounter. The miraculous nature of the incident — well-known to the members of the shaikh’s order — lay in that Shaykh al-Rāḍī had never stepped foot in France in his life. The charismatic power of the shaykh was so strong that he was himself not the member of any ṭarīqa, having instead founded his own.

[Anonymous No.22041261]

>>22039422
based

[Anonymous No.22041332]

>>22039422
The mother of all based let the seething of Hegelians commence

[Anonymous No.22041365]

>>22039823
He's an absolute brainlet—doesn't know what he is criticizing and may well not even know what he is praising

[Anonymous No.22041380]

>>22039192

[Anonymous No.22041382]

>>22041365
Nietzsche was not a real philosopher and if you like Nietzsche so much you can Evola who incorporates his thought more


Heidegger is interesting but his rejection of metaphysics is profoundly misplaced


The only valid point I can see is Guénon didn’t seem to have read Hegel or if he did I haven’t seen any text to which he mentions Hegel specifically.
I’m not sure how Hegel ranks on a Traditionalist hierarchy

[Anonymous No.22041388]

>>22041382
>denounces Nietzsche
>recommends tardlarper
like pottery

[Anonymous No.22041745]

>>22041388
Like poetry?

[Anonymous No.22042383]

>>22039170
Bump

[Anonymous No.22042420]

>>22039422

This is why I can't take perenialists or tradlarpers seriously. They are just filtered mystics and philosophers who can't into contradiction.

[Anonymous No.22042479]

>>22041253
>Guénon thought he had finally met his end.
Why though? He is just stuck in a ditch.... you know, unless it was really warm outside he could easily survive a few days drinking his own pee or just not drink, humans can survive a while without water.

Just imagine whoever pulled him out of that ditch, took one look at that insane face of Guenon and just fled into the woods. Some French farmer comes home and tells his family, your daddy will never drink again, why they ask? I found the devil in a ditch in the woods.

[Anonymous No.22042488]

>>22039422
Holy based! Do I actually need to start reading Guenon?

[Anonymous No.22042495]

>>22041365
Bataille is 100% right. Guenon is arrogant. Half of his philosophy is just giving off the airs of tradition and logic, and criticising others on contradicting this apparent certainty. It's clear more than anything that Guenon was a Frenchman, whose inborn predilections stopped him from understanding, or even wanting to understand, Germany. Something as simple as seeing in art and philosophy a revelation would always grind against Guenon's reductive, ahistorical, conception of Tradition.

[Anonymous No.22042506]

>>22039422
It's true.

[Anonymous No.22042509]

>>22042479
Lol funny I don’t know if the story is real some anon posted it I haven’t been able to find a source

[Anonymous No.22042523]

>>22042509
These things never happened, and yet they are eternally true.
— Emperor Julian

[Anonymous No.22042526]

>>22042495
I personally have a problem with the definition of what tradition is, traditions aren't born at the beginning of a civilization, but at it's end. So, these traditionalist take the ripe, decadent productions of civilizations that are thousands of years old and then label them as primordial, which they are not, primordial is stealing cows from some other tribe then giving meed to the blood-god and burying wooden dolls under your neighbors house, because he insulted you at the thing. But all those theogonies, theosophies, mystical systems, monastic orders and what not are all late and urban creations. A thousand years from now, after people long death synthesized Hegel, with Anglo analytics, psychology and New Though or whatever, then we will have our tradition: death, decadent and no doubt some future distant civilization will jerk off on Mill and call him some kind of enlightened mentor (except about woman).

[Anonymous No.22042530]

>>22042523
[Christian mode on]I am sure Guenon is eternally suffering in some ditch in hell.... drinking his own pee[Christian mode off]

[Anonymous No.22042578]

>>22042530
I like Guénon but I think he was wrong about Christianity I feel like for most westerns it’s still the best to join, Sufism is just not viable for most western people.

I know Catholicism isn’t perfect but no Tradition is.

[Anonymous No.22042579]

>>22042526
Guénon would agree with your reading of secular history. I don’t know if he believed this but many believe Egypt was a refugee centre of those who fled Atlantis

So they view history not in a naturalistic sense but as a civilisation from Atlantis

[Anonymous No.22042581]

>>22042579
Wouldn’t agree *^

[Anonymous No.22042639]

>>22040984
>What book is this from?

>This is the final chapter of Rene Guenon‘s Introduction to the Study of Hindu Doctrines, which was first published in 1921, right after the end of World War I. It was removed, at the author’s request, from subsequent editions, including the version translated into English. It is quite harsh on German scholarship and even on Germans themselves. Moreover, his criticism extends to Europeans in general whose “imagined superiority leads to misbehavior in the world.”
https://www.gornahoor.net/?p=14521

[Anonymous No.22042663]

>>22042639
Great find anon thanks

However it seems more an attack on Schopenhauer

Is there anything overtly on Hegel or where Hegel is mentioned by name by Guénon?

[Anonymous No.22042666]

>>22042639
>>22042663

Also Pbuh to our prophet Guénon

[Anonymous No.22042673]

>>22042639
I wonder why they removed this from the English version, seems like the English wouldn’t care about a French author insulting Germans.
Very strange that this would be left out it makes no sense to me.

Guénon gives the English a back handed compliment that they are so bad at metaphysics they at least never distorted the Indian texts they found by trying to integrate them into their philosophy.