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22046039 No.22046039 [Reply] [Original]

was there an atheist thinker that wasn't miserable?

>> No.22046042

>not using delusion as a cope might lead to unhappiness
Wow, thanks proffessor. Any more gems?

>> No.22046044

>>22046039
me

>> No.22046050

>>22046039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWnA4XLrMWA

>> No.22046056

>>22046042
>a heuristic is a delusion

>> No.22046087

>>22046039
Tbf, probably quite a few today. Not so many when being an atheist thinker meant taking on all of bloody society.
Like asking is there a single happy-go-lucky, White race realist. Or liberal humanism in the West. No, probably not. Not in the current age. Knowing what they (we) know and seeing 90% of society blindly parading into (fkn) oblivion has a sort of dampening effect on one's ability to look your own life / the world in the face, say, "cheerio ol chap", click heels in air and dance with lampposts a la Gene Autry etc etc
Best you can hope for, I am finding, is knuckling down, avoiding "the news" at all costs, burying your head in, say, literature, and riding out the rest of your life unattached to the machinations of the (larger) world around you

>> No.22046093

>was there a thinker that wasn't miserable?
Ftfy

>> No.22046110

>>22046039
is life really going to be just another 60 fucking years of this shitty misery and continually exacerbated by the continuation of already present trends of societal deterioration and the personal ill health of age?

>> No.22046114

>>22046093
Why is life so shit? Why do people continue to perpetuate this fucking farce when they all can see and know for themselves how wretched it all is?

>> No.22046120

>>22046114
Because God is great, you pygmy faggot nigger.

>> No.22046121

>>22046114
Hope dies last. We always think that the answer is right around the corner. It keeps us engaged. It‘s like a never ending quest. The only way out is to stop thinking but we literally can‘t unless we kill ourselves.

>> No.22046139

>>22046121
I've wanted to kill myself for the majority of my life but am simply far too terrified to attempt it, equally lacking any outside spur of aid-rendering accomplice to push me into action.

How do I off myself? I get so scared just idly draping a ligament around my throat to see how it would feel as it tightens that I wish to weep. With such a pathetic response to an imitation how could I ever hope to properly consummate the deed?

>> No.22046149

>>22046139
Bro you'll probably run out of money at some point if you're that depressed. At that point just use homelessness as a motivator to kys.

>> No.22046152

>>22046139
Sorry to hear about your ligma

>> No.22046154

>>22046139
That is because humans do not actually want to die. Our brain enjoys the suffering of the never ending chase for the answer. It‘s what it‘s made for. All it‘s pleasure comes from trying to figure out the puzzle. It might THINK it wants off this ride but when it comes to it, it doesn‘t actually. The only cure to being suicidal is attempting. It is in that moment that you find out if you belong to those that actually want to life or not.

>> No.22046157

>>22046114
My life isn't shit, my life is amazing.
Stop projecting your personal dysfunctions onto all of existence, it's a sure way to keep you trapped in them.

>> No.22046159

>>22046157
>my life is amazing
Yet you post on /lit/.

>> No.22046160

>>22046159
rekt

>> No.22046162

>>22046114
Well you see, the funny thing is, the only people that exist are the ones who think its not shit enough to continue it

>> No.22046167

>>22046039
Feuerbach.

>>22046042
Calling religion 'delusion' is mere arrogance. Do you think Schopenhauer didn't have beliefs that were at once comforting as they were true in his outlook?

>> No.22046171

>>22046167
>Calling religion 'delusion' is mere arrogance.
My man, you think a guy 2000 years ago had star trek replicator powers.

>> No.22046172

>>22046162
How are the pessimists not infected by said genes?

>> No.22046175

>>22046172
your outlook on life isnt that genetic, most of them were probably just raised by retards and not given enough room to exercise their abilities

>> No.22046178

>>22046167
I don't think you know what "arrogance" means

>> No.22046185

>>22046039
No and they all almost invariably had daddy issues

>> No.22046197

>>22046185
So religious thinkers all had athiest parents then?

>> No.22046209

>>22046171
Way to miss the point, you're an imbecile. And I literally named Feuerbach too.

>>22046178
You can say someone's religion is wrong, but to call them delusional, as if they only believe what they believe to comfort themselves and escape from truth, as a standard truth, is arrogance. It's really just a sign of someone not being very intelligent, since among the plentiful critiques of religion, they go for the most insultingly stupid.

>> No.22046220

>>22046171
My man you think gay rights exist in a timeless shapeless matterless plane you can’t judge anyone with this retarded Bs

>> No.22046225
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>>22046167
>delusion
It's all delusion sweatie. You have to read more if you want to read less.

>> No.22046234

>>22046220
Don't bother with him. If someone has to resort to a scifi tv series to understand religious concepts then there's no point even engaging.

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22046236

>>22046197
Nah

>> No.22046242

Graham Oppy

>> No.22046249

>>22046234
you are going to have to come to terms with your reifying of capeshit if you want to talk to people who don't believe in sorcery

>> No.22046332

>>22046114
I have the belief that most people have hope that things will get better somehow.
But obviously this is not so, the world is a slaughterhouse.

>> No.22046381

>>22046236
Thats my point, you are denying the athiest the benefit of his beliefs being truly his own, even though the religious thinker seems to be the one to have gotten his beliefs from his parents.

>> No.22046408

>>22046249
Whether you believe in it or not, simply equating capeshit with religion, and not just in their essential natures and function (which is stupid enough), but in terms of value, denying the yawning gulf between what fiction has to offer in the most ideal sense and capeshit (which is what you do when you vaguely describe the difference as a reification), is embarrassingly stupid. I'm practically talking to a half-imbecile. It's at the point of doubting if you even read. Like are you a spic who has gotten lost on 4chan? These opinions could only have come out of an interaction with pop culture, containing both the conventional dismissals of religion and quite literally comic book references, and could not have come from any study of religious ideas, history, anthropology or even philosophy in general. And in just the same way these conventional dismissals have no dialogue, which is a necessity for understanding anything, with religion, only a shallow little framing that is forgotten five seconds later.

>> No.22046420

>>22046408
>christlarper
>racist against the most Christian population
remind me why I should take you seriously?

>> No.22046426

>>22046139
You are posting in a Schopenhauer thread. Aka the guy who did not believe life could ever stop being experienced in an eternal universe.

Welcome to hell anon, suicide doesnt even give you what you want.

>> No.22046437

>>22046420
>this is the type of intellectual powerhouse behind smug atheism

>> No.22046466

>>22046437
If you believe in literal resurrection, not as a myth but as a historical event, that's going to be an issue if you are talking to someone who doesn't. Now, since you're trying to justify it as a superior idealization of fiction compared to mere capeshit, I suspect you are indeed a crypto-atheist yourself, but why fancy yourself superior for teaching a noble lie?

>> No.22046642

>>22046466
I don't just think religion is superior as fiction to capeshit, it is functionally different in the life of a religious person. In almost every conceptual sense for them it is different. To reel off the obvious, you pray, have ritual celebrations, live your life according to a code, it carries an entire cultural and social history with it. Richard Wagner was getting at this difference when he said 'If Christ for us is in the end even still merely a most noble poetic fiction, then it is at the same time more realizable than any other poetic ideal, - in the daily communion with wine and bread.' It's not a matter of it being a noble lie, I think it is a good in itself, and carries more weight than an invented lie. As a worldview it should be treated on its own terms. This kind of view has found shade in the psychological ideas that ascribe to it an intrinsic position in human life, but I don't think it's necessary to psychologise it. It is simply what it is, and the most important questions of religion, investigated by the likes of Nietzsche or Schleiermacher, eschew any consideration for the logic of is/isn't. But I'm not saying you shouldn't bother with countless arguments of the latter, just that one shouldn't be reductive of what religious people actually believe and therefore what religion is.

>> No.22047168

>>22046642
not the same anon but
You do realise there comes a point where the predictions a/your/their religion produces don't come to fruition. At which point the only way to cope with the disappointment is to either move the yard stick or re-interpret the prediction, always in a perpetual cycle. Almost akin to the repetitions of a mad man. Ergo, the other anon calling the lifestyle, a delusion?
So, if your response is another easy insult or strawman, you alienate any participants to your cause, be it missionary or debating. If however it's a counter-argumentation, then you must address the fact of false predictions. And hence the truthfulness of the mindset.

>> No.22047310

>>22046110
Yes

>> No.22047834

>>22046220
>you think gay rights exist in a timeless shapeless matterless plane
Literal strawman

>> No.22047837

>>22046642
>it is functionally different in the life of a religious person
That's fine. I guess you are an atheist and a relativist then

>> No.22048062

He was definitely miserable but it's a disservice to lump Schopenhauer in with fedoras. He had deep respect for Christianity and religion in general.

>> No.22048141

>>22046039
Nietzsche? Nietzsche isn't nearly as miserable as think people think.

>> No.22048243

>>22048062
>deep respect for Christianity
does anyone read the authors they post about or what?

>> No.22048307

>>22046114
Because it gets good again.

>> No.22048440

>>22047834
A literal straw man would just be a man made out of straw.
You’re on a literature board at least pretend you read.

>> No.22048468

>>22048440
>A literal straw man would just be a man made out of straw.
You are literally retarded. Strawman is a real word, and it it doesn't mean a straw man.

>> No.22048834

>>22048440
>faggot retard doesn't understand connotation
Maybe you should stick to technical manuals yourself.

>> No.22048861

>>22048307
That flies directlyinto the face of monotheism. One god = one sentiment, not more than one. What you're describing is essentially a polytheistic worldview

>> No.22048908

>>22046042
I always laugh at atheists calling religion a "delusion" while thinking they aren't deluded themselves in many ways.

>> No.22048923

>>22048908
Name some that your 'non-delusion' doesn't engage in

>> No.22048943

>>22048923
I never claimed I wasn't delusional, I'm not better than you.

>> No.22048950

>>22048923
That's easy. Progressivism, humanism, scientism, technological utopianism...