/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22077140]

What went wrong with American public school?

[Anonymous No.22077148]

They filled them with Americans.

[Anonymous No.22077163]

>>22077140
that it's public. Private shcool just got better because it isn't public

[Anonymous No.22077164]

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[Anonymous No.22077168]

>>22077140
2nd amendment also /lit/?

[Anonymous No.22077170]

>>22077164
This is a big part of it. The rest is faculty intentionally sinking the ship.

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>>22077164
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>>22077192
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[Anonymous No.22077218]

NIGGEЯOR HAS FOUND THE THREAD!!!
ONLY DIGITS CAN STOP HIM!!!

[Anonymous No.22077226]

>>22077218
Czech 'em.

[Anonymous No.22077238]

/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22077255]

>>22077218
catch em'

[Anonymous No.22077258]

>>22077140
With mothers pushed into the workforce, the government became the primary educators of our children Then we evicted God from the schoolhouse and decided that words and a culture of learning weren't as important as signaling virtue.
https://jsomers.net/blog/dictionary
https://archive.org/details/webstersspelling00libg/page/n79/mode/2up?view=theater
(For context, the Blueback Speller was for *young* children, 1st and 2nd grade.)

[Anonymous No.22077267]

>>22077255
Whew. Thanks, bro

[Anonymous No.22077285]

>>22077267
it was my duty

[Anonymous No.22077289]

>>22077140
It was always on a downward slope for decades since the 60's, but the curriculum went into free fall with the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001, standardized testing (that was much more pronounced during the Bush years but had a devastating effect), and Common Core back in 2010, both plummeting education for the public. Those 3 things practically are holding everything back from allowing any sort of teaching flexibility, and restricts everything to a teach-to-the-test approach.

Also other stuff alongside that like less funding resulting in worse teachers and diminished resources, and overcrowding schools by having around 30-35, sometimes 40 students per class now, most likely disallowing quality of instructions. It use to be around 20 students back when I was a senior in high school back in 2001-2002, and was blown away when I went to visit a friend and asked about all of the chairs and desks in the class and his response.
Of course schools do this shamelessly to garner as much money as they can for their districts from the state/federal government.

It's absolutely no surprise students don't give a single shit about school anymore. I never exactly thought it could get worse than when I graduated, but here we are.

[Anonymous No.22077290]

>>22077289
Excellent post

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>>22077289
>around 30-35, sometimes 40 students per class
Imagine the smell.

[Anonymous No.22077319]

>>22077258
lol it took me 25 years before I realized th makes two different sounds
obviously I was pronouncing it correctly I just never thought about it

[Anonymous No.22077325]

>>22077319
The purpose of that screenshot was to show the sort of passages that were aimed at kids in the 18th and 19th century, but I'm glad it taught you how to sound out "th."

[Anonymous No.22077329]

>>22077325
it didn't teach it to me I realized it on my own, just commenting about how long it took me to conscously realize something so basic that I'd been doing so long

[Anonymous No.22077336]

>>22077325
I'm not sure posting something from a time when over 80% of adults were illiterate is a great example of how much better schools were back in the day.

[Anonymous No.22077433]

>>22077140
decreasing number of male teachers
shitty architechture (eg OP)
no dress code
niggers

[Anonymous No.22077448]

I graduated from the school in op picrel. Upwards of 60% black. ama

[Anonymous No.22077463]

>>22077448
Did you stop taking BBC up your bussy after you graduated?

[Anonymous No.22077481]

>>22077463
Who said im a boy

[Anonymous No.22077487]

>>22077336
>t. seething public school goer

[Anonymous No.22077489]

>>22077481
Science says you will never be a woman, ergo you're a boy.

[Anonymous No.22077569]

Blacks are the problem why schools are all fucked up with violence and stupidity (this is not counting the beyond retarded school curriculums).

The only way blacks could ever get out of this violent and unintelligent culture is through a different type of schooling. Blacks should all be put into military style discipline schools. It's the only way to teach them to control their behavior. Males should learn trades, take classes on fatherhood, and should learn how to teach their children how to behave. While females should take classes on cooking, discipline, cleaning, and other basic housewife stuff. Plus they need several classes on sex so they won't breed unwanted children that end up growing up as nogs.

>inb4 kill all niggers, niggers can't be taught.

It's the only way to solve the black problem in the United States without resorting to retarded amounts of violence that never work out in the end.

I believe different races need different educational systems; and because black culture is inherently broken, we need to find a way to fix it. Ignoring the problem will only make it worse.

[Anonymous No.22077959]

>>22077140
Babysitting and pipeline to even more expensive higher education. Education should be about instilling pure discipline in a brutal prussian style without any form of liberalism or pure theory without any form of practical or economic motive but you can't do that for various reasons lol

>>22077163
I doubt private schooling got "better" since it got more popular. As private schooling got more popular it had to bring in more issues with that and since it's more commercialized today than in the past take all the "salesmanship" with some grain of salt

>>22077289
>but the curriculum went into free fall with the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001, standardized testing (that was much more pronounced during the Bush years but had a devastating effect), and Common Core back in 2010
What do you think schools were doing better in the 80s/90s? Standardized testing wasn't invented in the 2000s... actually schools used to use stuff like IQ tests before that was forbidden

[Anonymous No.22077973]

>>22077140
tying school funding to property taxes and general lack of funding

[Anonymous No.22077984]

Homeschooling is expanding exponentially. With declining birth rates, particularly amongst non-homeschooling demographics, it will soon be an issue too large to ignore.

[Anonymous No.22077990]

Trying to make education into some sort of competition for the general public to participate in is a terrible idea.

[Anonymous No.22078009]

>>22077140
desegregation and stem (neoliberal fixation to manufacture laborers)

[Anonymous No.22078017]

>>22077289
>Also other stuff alongside that like less funding resulting in worse teachers and diminished resources,
They spend what, $30k per student per year?
It's not the funding, it's the teachers suck, the curriculum sucks, they have to educated 75 IQ negros at 120 IQ people at the same time and are gearing it towards the lower range, and its main function has always been indoctrinating kids into mainstream culture, which has lately become inconceivably stupid and bad.

>>22077569
This would be a start.

[Anonymous No.22078019]

Having investigated and researched education over history quite a lot myself, it seems like a lot of the problems with education lie in the 19th century. So many things changed in that century, from an increased importance of formal and institutional education, the democratization of learning, the transition from a largely classical model of education to a largely technical model of education, research requirements, I could go on and on. There are just so many things that seem to have just started there and really snowballed into something terrible. What’s worse is that many of the decision-makers and thought leaders have thought things have gone swimmingly.

[Anonymous No.22078026]

Standardized testing that is conjoined with funding.

[Anonymous No.22078033]

>>22077289
High school lit teacher here. This post rings truest.

I would also say too, specifically for my content:
A.) A downward shift in focus from teaching great literature to teaching almost strictly shorter, mostly nonfiction texts because of the common core standards placing a greater emphasis on 'skills' and also because short texts are what's tested on SAT. In turn they create a self-fulfilling racket
B.) Building on that, limited resources for acquiring and updating text libraries. We still read Mockingbird because it's what we have on hand, and they don't give us money. Even still, Mockingbird may be the one long read they read all of ninth grade.
C.) I'll be the first to admit most English teachers are piss-poor teachers of writing. I focused my master's in half-rhetoric and composition, half-creative writing because I recognized a fault in my own practice, and will readily admit that most teacher programs for lit teachers value close reading over writing because, again, close reading is what's tested. This has caused the communicative abilities of most students to degrade.
D.) A lack of trust in us both from the public and district admin. The public thinks we indoctrinate kids with curriculum, but it's not the teacher's choice 90% of the time; the district buys us textbooks and says, "go teach out of that textbook for the next five years". They do not trust us to build a curriculum map without ever being given a chance. The only classes safe from this are the concurrent enrollment college classes

Basically, you can pin most of the blame on politicians and district administrators and testing.

[Anonymous No.22078036]

>>22078009
If anything American schools aren't neoliberal enough and have huge amenity bloat compared to europoor schools.

[Anonymous No.22078041]

>>22078033
Your writing still sucks, bro. Hopefully, that “master’s” was free.

[Anonymous No.22078050]

>>22077984
>Homeschooling is expanding exponentially
You don't know what "exponential" means. Suburbanite normies who had to have their kids at home during COVID pretty much universally hated it and wanted schools to reopen. The type of woo woo hippies and evangelicals who want to homeschool and can isn't going to grow exponentially. Most Americans can't afford to homeschool even if they wanted to

>With declining birth rates, particularly amongst non-homeschooling demographics, it will soon be an issue too large to ignore.
You're coming from an American point of view I assume. Immigration is offsetting declining birth rates, the only countries with real declines will be in Asia. From statistics Utah (Mormons) is the state with highest native birthrates but I don't know if they homeschool like with evangelicals.

[Anonymous No.22078051]

>>22078041
>taking time to to do the whole writing process on a Tibetan silkspinning board

[Anonymous No.22078053]

>>22078050
>You don't know what "exponential" means
You’re genuinely retarded.

[Anonymous No.22078058]

>>22078051
You clearly did with your mediocre effortpost wherein you dedicated an entire paragraph to self-fellatio

[Anonymous No.22078062]

>>22077140
>/lit/ - literature

[Anonymous No.22078082]

>>22078050
Global fertility rates have consistently declined each decade. You cannot forever "offset" decline when it's happening globally by moving people from X to Y locations.

[Anonymous No.22078088]

If you send your kids to public school at this point it is child abuse.
The only thing they teach now is wall to wall social justice. I tutored some kids during lockdowns and saw their curriculum. It was basically slavery - holocaust - civil rights
Over and over again and if they did teach something halfway interesting, like parts of Homer (just read little snippets and watched some videos) it was always "what was the role of women in this story blah blah."
That is just the curriculum. It is completely worthless. Everything else is just as bad or worse. Drugging up little boys because they get squirmy when subjected to this stuff for hours. Selfish unintentilligent mean teachers taking out their hatred on kids (usually smarter, maler ones), demanding kids get covid vaxes for their safety, etc. All the anti bullying shit which basically teaches you to never fight back. The violent nogs and the standards for coolness and popularity being set by the most amoral sociopathic lowest common denominator kids. The general waste of youth being locked up all day in an incarceration facility being taught pointless nonsense.
What more could it possibly take at this point to take your kids out of school? Now they are teaching them they are transgenders and telling you that it's none of your business? And even that's not enough for you to remove them?

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>>22078033
did you have to teach born a crime to your classes kek
i feel bad for non-libtarded teachers

[Anonymous No.22078171]

>>22077140
Like most education system, it's more focus on indoctrinating you rather than teach you. IF they really cared about teaching, they would teach the students to be able to teach themselves anything. My elementary school had art classes, didn't learn anything and we just painted kiddish drawings and got praised for it. learned more in less than a month reading Keys to drawing by Bert Dodson. That's how I figure out that our art classes were just there just for show, 3 years of this class and no one learned to draw. Probably something public workers(it was a public school) did to mooch off people's tax money.

[Anonymous No.22078184]

>>22078033

I wouldn’t be against kids reading nonfiction if the selection were good. I could genuinely see them benefitting from reading something like Descartes’ Meditations.

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>>22077140

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>>22078290
>Whites promotes ignorance, laziness, violence and criminally behavior's among blacks
>Surprised they behave the way they do

Sure they shit up the place, but they are not the main factor why your schools looks the way they do now. Having woke radicals and lazy government leeches lead your country's education probably wasn't a good idea.

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>>22077140

[Anonymous No.22078448]

>>22077255
TND

[Anonymous No.22078449]

>>22078402
No its absolutely niggers. My high school had like 1% niggers and one day for no reason at all the whites and hispanics decided to launch a race riot against them. Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.22078484]

>>22078449
sure they cause noise and disruption. They are not the ones who are carrying out the brainwashing and promote wokeness.

[Anonymous No.22078514]

>>22077140
Nothing went wrong. The entire point of state education is to create a pliable society just smart enough to run the machines but too ignorant to question their station. Cue the Carlin clip.

[Anonymous No.22078526]

>>22078514
>Carlin
Fuck off boomer. He was cringe personified.

[Anonymous No.22078538]

>>22077140
Lasch says it's because libtards lowered the standards for niggers.

[Anonymous No.22078554]

>>22078526
He definitely sold out in some strange ways—but your distaste for someone is hardly an argument against something so well-evidenced.

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>>22078538
Racism of low expectations

[Anonymous No.22078684]

>>22077218
Check these boy

[Anonymous No.22078717]

>>22077336
Wrong. You're thinking of pre 16th-century, not 19th century. America peaked in both literacy and IQ in the 1870s, and has steadily declined in both since, partly thanks to morons like you who assume you're smarter than your ancestors because you have a smartphone. We have more illiteracy in America today than in either the 18th or 17th centuries; currently, most adults on the US can only read and write at a 5th grade level, while the average person was much more well-read before the Internet. If this confuses you, remember; they didn't have TikTok or 4chan or text messages, they spent their free time reading because they didn't have TV, and writing letters was the only means of mass written communication.

Not only were they not illiterate, you could study writing your whole life and at the end you would only be as eloquent as the average Civil War soldier. Go to your local library and pick up a random fiction book from the 1800s--even the most average 19th century writers would be considefed great today. You have a lot to learn about the past; you've been lied to. You know American public schools existed since the 1700s, right? And even before public schools, kids were all taught how to read and write by their parents, or their parents hired European tutors to teach them English, Latin, and Greek. In the 1800s every student knew how to read and write not just in English, but also in Latin and Greek. You can read some of Noah Webster's essays where he expresses disdain for students studying Latin more than shaping their own English indepdently of Europe: https://americainclass.org/sources/makingrevolution/independence/text3/websteramericanidentity.pdf

I'd encourage you to read Civil War letters written by soldiers and captains to their families. Especially the ones written to their sweethearts, because some of them are very poetic.

https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/civilwar/search

[Anonymous No.22078738]

>>22077140
Jews wrote the curriculum and so they just designed it to create satanic babylonian-style slaves

[Anonymous No.22078750]

>>22077218
check 'em nerds

[Anonymous No.22078764]

>>22078082
Based, I hope fertility rates keep falling. There is no reason humanity needs to keep growing in population like a fungal bloom or a tumor. Fuck bugman life.

[Anonymous No.22078792]

>>22078764
Start with yourself

[Anonymous No.22078794]

>>22078792
>reading comprehension
you don't have it

[Anonymous No.22080004]

If you want a serious answer: they are run like industrialized processes. They are too rigid, and streamlined, like a factory. Students fly from teacher to teacher, subject to subject, and they can't effectively develop a relationship with their teachers, meaning kids can't get comfortable with them and they can't learn what each kid needs to be successful. Curriculums are strict, and so are class environments. If kids can't function well in the system they are treated as defective, where if they were allowed to study and work in a way that better suits them they could potentially out perform their peers. Part of that rigid curriculum is insistence on stupid subjects to make kids jacks of all trades rather than practical/general skills that will help students branch out into and excell in fields they are best suited for and interested in in their later education. This can make kids feel like school is useless and boring, rather than engage them and make learning exciting to them. Because of how much emphasis is placed on grades and passing, it drives kids to prioritize getting good grades than retaining the material. Energy that should be spent on engaging with the subject is spent stressing about their grade and making sure their work is what the teacher wants to see, when it should be spent actually figuring things out. The grade system doesn't allow kids to make and learn from mistakes, and the strict curriculum doesn't allow teachers time to help their students fully grasp the concepts. It's the same principle as funding schools based on their students grades. Schools with low grades are the ones that needs funding to help students, but it goes to schools already performing well.

[Anonymous No.22080008]

>>22077140
Chuds

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>>22077140
Tutors>

everything else is cope

[Anonymous No.22080321]

>>22077218
I got this.

[Anonymous No.22081164]

>>22077289
I'm surprised to find solid answers like this nowadays, especially in /pol/ bait threads. Thanks for the insight, anon.