/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22414494]

What’s the most punk book you have ever read?

[Anonymous No.22414502]

ITT: we argue to bump limit over a stale repost

[Anonymous No.22414518]

You have to actively gatekeep leftists from everything you value or this happens

pull the weeds out by the roots

[Anonymous No.22414562]

>>22414502
fpbp

[Anonymous No.22414584]

>>22414494
Probably Joey Keighley's ''I, Shithead''.

[Anonymous No.22414604]

>>22414518
You are not wrong, but this would have likely prevented hardcore from ever achieving the critical mass that it did. Hardcore was a pipe dream, waiting to fail from birth. I am not sure if I would have preferred to know this from the beginning or not.

[Anonymous No.22414623]

>>22414494
Might is Right
I'm Jewish btw

[Anonymous No.22414635]

>>22414518
Punk has been /fa/ since 1986 or so when everyone realized the value of punk.

[Anonymous No.22414686]

>>22414494
wasn't being punk about being free spirited and thinking for yourself against what tptb wants (you) to think? or just being a foot soldier for tptb and the mainstream narrative?
maybe i got it all wrong

[Anonymous No.22414695]

>>22414494
probably Lipstick Traces by Greil Marcus

[Anonymous No.22414706]

>>22414635
Elaborate.

[Anonymous No.22414724]

>>22414686
First wave was full blown capitalist mainstream bullshit. A small group co-opted it as it fell from general popularity and started something completely different. The term ''punk'' was largely rejected for a long time within the ''hardcore'' community - ridiculous though this was. Timeframes and population groups need to get parsed to get a real answer to your question.

[Anonymous No.22414731]

>>22414518
Shut up, Moldbug.

[Anonymous No.22414737]

>>22414518
>You have to be against the authority!
>Wait but you have to respect social hierarchies anyway!

[Anonymous No.22414757]

>>22414737
NTA, but what social hierarchies are you referencing?

[Anonymous No.22414776]

>>22414494
A true punk would reject all language or even the very notion of language. Everything else is posturing.

[Anonymous No.22414786]

>>22414757
The ones in the poster.

[Anonymous No.22414791]

Punks are retarded and should be exterminated.

[Anonymous No.22414792]

>>22414776
>a true punk wou-ACK

[Anonymous No.22414796]

>>22414776
I have an essay from an indie mag from the early nineties that did just that. It rejected all notions of syntax, spelling, punctuation, and capitalization. Acting such, he failed to make a compelling argument for his case. Only literate power brokers will ever make a compelling argument for illiteracy.

[Anonymous No.22414832]

>>22414786
OK. I don't generally taxonomize those groups as ''hierarchies''. ''Hierarchy'' strongly implies a stratification, whereas there is often no more than conglomeration present for those groups. Regardless, it is nigh impossible to escape taxonomy. Are you just noting this fact?

[Jon Kolner No.22414842]

>>22414494
This post is off topic. Window closing in 3.

[Anonymous No.22414868]

>>22414792
Yes, 7 Seconds and Youth Brigade can chant about unity all they want. When the veil is pierced, one sees the orthogonality and conformity as the foundation of this unity. There are power structures present everywhere. Biafra espoused ''power is boring'' for the purpose of disaffecting people from seeking power, yet also ran for political office. There is no escaping the grasp of power structures and the inherent conflict thereof.

[Anonymous No.22414876]

>>22414842
Books and philosophy are inherently /lit/. Go back to your hugbox.

[Anonymous No.22414889]

>>22414502
yeah

[Anonymous No.22414928]

[Anonymous No.22414935]

>>22414792
Excellent post anon, it's like I'm talking directly to Henry Rollins.

>>22414796
Do you know if it has been digitized and could be seen online? I am kind of curious to see it. I also know alot of the music mostly stuck to power chords, 4 bar blues, and other common tropes in rock, for the purposes of selling stuff obviously but from what I understand of music I would say the average jazz artist is probably more punk in terms of defying conventional norms even within their own industry. That was more along my thought process when I posted my previous statement, who defines what a true punk is since ultimately in order to meet the criteria you have to conform to something.

[Anonymous No.22414943]

>>22414832
Those groups themselves are not the hierarchy, the stratification comes from grouping people in the dominant in-group or the subordinate other.

[Anonymous No.22414950]

>>22414494
VALIS
God is punk beyond belief.

[Anonymous No.22414961]

>>22414518

What happens mother fucker? That greedy dumb fuck landlords get lynched so that regular working class thrive just a little bit?
Or education, health, industry gets more acessible for common people?
Disabled, disadvantaged, poor people can get higher levels of income, better life overall?

Wow you MUST leftists away bro or else life might get better.

>MFW

your next line is "mao zedong killed gazillion people"

[Anonymous No.22414962]

>>22414494
Thread theme:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Rzzv-pvDU&list=OLAK5uy_klji6Hx9pntBe99UZEFeU1fXVVTBd_9vA

[Anonymous No.22414968]

>>22414961
b8

[Anonymous No.22414975]

>>22414968

Keep coping capitalist scum. Revolution is coming. If not now when?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ

[Anonymous No.22414978]

>>22414706
By that point it was more about fashion than anything else, punks were just another group of kids hanging out at the mall food court rebelling against their parents within social acceptable means. Also, hardcore, post-punk, grunge, no-wave, etc; punk was dead as a movement, it had become a brand which enabled the unfortunate 90s punk to happen.

t. old

[Anonymous No.22414983]

>>22414935
>Do you know if it has been digitized and could be seen online?
I doubt it. Publication was probably in the hundreds. Dude that published it ran off to SF to be a professor and now has a tranny baby. The reason I was querying anon about specific time periods earlier is because there was a radical shift in ethics and local control. When publishing was still heavily a top down affair, second wave punks bought their own record presses and silkscreened their own shirts. Covers for 45s were largely printed on Xerox machines. Jazz did not do this. They were still largely beholden to the publishing industry. Yes there is SST, Restless, Epitaph, et al, but there was also a lot of truly independent publishing.

[Anonymous No.22414990]

>>22414943
Point taken.

[Anonymous No.22414995]

>>22414975
They rage on behalf of the machine, now. I still think you small like bait. You lack nuance and strawman too hard.

[Anonymous No.22415028]

>>22414995

Oh noooo leftists support trans people and against your Heckin's based Orange man? Americans are retarded people.

[Anonymous No.22415035]

>>22414978
>By that point
That was first wave that had already died. Hardcore was still critical mass through 86 or 87. This is generally considered to be the tail end of the golden age. Sure, Ness was railing against fashion with his perfectly manicured facade, but he was glomming onto an ethic larger than himself. I still remember the lament of first wavers that punk was dead back in 86. Yeah, we shit on its grave. We literally were oblivious at the time that they were lamenting that which we reveled in seeing die. The 90s? People were going to latch onto the carcass, so be it. Once you let something go, the scavengers get their choice of what you abandon. How would one prevent that?

[Anonymous No.22415037]

>>22415028
b8

[Anonymous No.22415038]

>>22414995
Rage For The HR Departments.

[Anonymous No.22415043]

>>22415028
Definitely bait. I will not engage you until you get something right.

[Anonymous No.22415065]

>>22414584
Based D.O.A. Fan

>>22414604
It did create some great bands. I’m actually going to see Cro Mags next month.

[FAC613 No.22415070]

>>22414494
Last exit to brooklyn.
Selby punishes all the characters within.

[Anonymous No.22415073]

>>22414983
I actually picked the history of SST yesterday, Corporate Rock Sucks

[Anonymous No.22415084]

>>22415035
First wave and second wave were done by 86 and so was punk.
>I still remember the lament of first wavers that punk was dead back in 86
lol, larp.

[Anonymous No.22415091]

>>22414695
Good read, also:
Please Kill Me by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain
Punk Avenue by Philippe Marcade
Lester Bangs' comp Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung has some of his best articles on punk, as does Richard Meltzer's A Whore Just Like The Rest

[Anonymous No.22415097]

>>22415091
>Please Kill Me by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain
Had a friend review that recently on his blog

[Anonymous No.22415109]

>>22414494
Anyone read the Skinhead series (ends with Suedehead)? There's also that black author who churned out tonnes of books until he died of an OD (crime novels).

[Anonymous No.22415118]

>>22414494
Anyone read the Skinhead series (ends with Suedehead)? There's also that black author who churned out tonnes of books until he died of an OD (crime novels).

[Anonymous No.22415143]

>>22415065
>Cro Mags
Catch the vocalist. He will likely largely confirm everything that I have stated here. They were some of the remaining wave that was around when I was a pipsqueak. As far as ''I, shithead'' goes, it is mostly just stories. You need to read your own interpretation into it. I find this odd, as Keighley was very outspoken on stage. Outside of the music, I do not think that he has a lot of ability to make a compelling argument. Just being honest here.

[Anonymous No.22415151]

>>22415073
>I actually picked the history of SST yesterday
I do not understand this statement. Particularly the word ''picked''.

[Anonymous No.22415156]

>>22415084
>lol, larp.
So it goes. Two broads in my German class were first wavers.