/wg/ - Writing General

[Anonymous No.22682270]

"space man" edition

Previous >>22670791

/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC

Please limit excerpts to one post.
Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.
If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.

Simple guides on writing:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdzv1NfZRM
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whPnobbck9s
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAKcbvioxFk

[Anonymous No.22682275]

Rate my incel manifesto.

>micz.substack.com/p/corrupts-absolutely

[Anonymous No.22682296]

>>22682275
A fellow Bresson feet enjoyer. You are no doubt a humanist and the man of great culture.

[Anonymous No.22682309]

>>22682275
I've been had! This isn't an incel manifesto at all!

[Anonymous No.22682334]

>>22682296
I do like Bresson allot. I added the feet just to make sure people don't take the whole thing too seriously.

>>22682309
Sorry, I was worried it comes off as one with all the self loathing on the narrators part . It's just a bit of harmless fun.

[Anonymous No.22682349]

>>22675828
Bump?

[Anonymous No.22682359]

>>22682334
It might if it were in the context of being an incel, but since it appears to be framed as a relationship postmortem, I read it as somebody who's bitter about a breakup than the distinct type of self-loathing incels do.
>t. 33yo kv

[Anonymous No.22682371]

>>22682275

I agree with >>22682359 this is completely different from incel rage but I actually really liked it.
I liked the build up with him coming off sympathetic and then essentially blackmailing her.

NOT incel though

[Anonymous No.22682397]

>>22682349
Words and generic phrases cannot be owned

[Anonymous No.22682419]

>>22682397
Didn't the makers of Candy Crush Saga sue the developers of The Banner Saga for using the word "saga"?
Oh and the developers of Praey for the Gods had to add the 'a' to the word "Prey", because Zenimax threatened to sue them.

[Anonymous No.22682425]

>>22682371
>>22682359
>>22682309
Oh. For some reason i thought incels were just sad, lonely people. You are correct, my narrator is not an incel.

Apologies for the false advertising.

[Anonymous No.22682426]

>>22682419
>sue the developers of The Banner Saga for using the word "saga"?
If you are afraid of lawsuits do not ever leave your home and do not interact with anybody.
If you get sued laugh in their fucking faces because those dipshits can't possibly sue a common phrase or word.

[Anonymous No.22682434]

>>22682419
>Didn't the makers of Candy Crush Saga sue the developers of The Banner Saga for using the word "saga"?
And failed in doing so.

[Anonymous No.22682438]

>>22682419
that's a trademark dispute, not copyright infringement
completely different form of intellectual property protection

[Anonymous No.22682484]

More overwrought and emotional than I want, as usual.

[Anonymous No.22682495]

>>22682484
Boring. The handwriting of a control freak.

[Anonymous No.22682518]

Went back and rewrote still think I should maybe expand more about the dream with the wraith but the rest looks fine

[Anonymous No.22682529]

https://pastebin.com/JuNB2tAi

Chapter from a fantasy story I'm writing. My attempt at doing a "Quentin Tarantino" style scene through the lens of medieval/early gunpowder fantasy. Basically mercs talking shit about nothing. Probably going to tweak the dialogue with more foreshadowing and plot-relevant info though.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.22682530]

>>>22681896
>Just came to say that i just 'sold' my first poem. and that for all his namefaging Sange has been quite useful.
You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.22682551]

Is there any advice for selling a short story to a magazine/publisher other than reading the stories they publish and writing something within the lines of what they publish?

[Anonymous No.22682682]

>They looked like people who would sell their souls for a single donut.
Has enough time passed that I can use this reference?

[Anonymous No.22682920]

>>22682852
Ladies and gentilemen, introducing /fg/!

[Anonymous No.22682924]

>>22682920
Amazing. F Gardner is such a showman. He’s really been hamming up his persona lately.

[Anonymous No.22682946]

>>22682920
/fg/? more like /fag/

[Anonymous No.22683012]

>>22682946
Reported to F Gardner

[Anonymous No.22683027]

>>22682920
>frank's sperging-out quickly deleted
Such a fine day today.

[Anonymous No.22683073]

I have a lot of trouble stringing together a narrative in a way that makes sense. I have some broad ideas about the plot but get to the end of one scene and just go "now what?" a lot. Not sure how to fix it, I thought reading more would help but it didn't.

[Anonymous No.22683081]

>>22683073
Do you write detailed outlines / plans before starting the first draft?

[Anonymous No.22683086]

I have to listen to music whenever I write, because otherwise my ADD brain can suddenly disrupt my focus, suddenly I overthink lines and plot and etc., in summary, all of the things you should be thinking about while editing, not writing.

I know that this is a crutch, but I don't know how else to maintain my focus without something to drown out all of the background thoughts in my brain.

Any techniques or advice for this situation?

[Anonymous No.22683095]

>>22682484

I like it.

[Anonymous No.22683106]

>>22683086

Nothing wrong with using music. If it works for you why are you looking for other advice?

For me it's a certain kind of simple instrumental music that doesn't invite reflection or thought. It functions as a kind of white noise and I just have it on loop.

[Anonymous No.22683108]

>>22683027
Don’t worry senpai! I can always make another! May the F Games continue!

>>22683092

[Anonymous No.22683110]

>>22683081
Not detailed. I write outlines covering basic three act structure stuff.

[Anonymous No.22683223]

>>22683108
Gardner’s contest is enormous and came out of the fuckin blue. I’m a huge supporter of him for bringing /wg/ together at this point. Go F Gardner!

[Anonymous No.22683234]

>>22683223
End your life, Frank.

[Anonymous No.22683261]

>>22683234
Reported to F Gardner.

[Anonymous No.22683302]

>>22683223
New F Games thread! Who’s gonna win F Gardner’s F Prize?!

>>22683294

[Anonymous No.22683326]

Prompt suggestions for those in need
>Ever since The [____] Incident. The once safe and prosperous town of [____] is being kept awake by any means necessary. It won't be long until someone eventually falls asleep.
>An expanding sphere of unknown origin threatens to devour all life on Earth. And it succeeds. But who was left to write about it?
>A game of Riichi Mahjong. A player calls Pon on East Wind, and a hurricane starts from the East. Another player calls Pon on White Dragon, and a white dragon wipes out a city. The third player calls Riichi. Looming clouds fill the sky. The fourth player smiles. RON!

[Anonymous No.22683354]

>>22683302
F Games…is that a Cell Games reference? Kino. Frank has really outdone himself.

[Anonymous No.22683396]

>>22683108
>>22683092
Deleted very quickly. Such a fine day today. Frank, it's clear the 4chan jannies hate you as much as everyone else does. Just stick to Discord.

[Anonymous No.22683399]

https://pastebin.com/Fk7B4Hbp

[Anonymous No.22683414]

>>22683396
There’s already another thread lol. Don’t worry, I’m helping Frank as much as I can.

>>22683294

F Games thread here! Biggest /wg/ event of all time! 150+ anons from /wg/ are in it and participating! I’m funneling the rest into it and will continue to do so till someone wins Gardner’s prize and we have a winner!

[Anonymous No.22683422]

>>22683396
Reported to F Gardner.

[Anonymous No.22683424]

>>22683414
When are you going to get it through your thick head that no one wants to hear about your crap? Everyone hates you, and the 4chan jannies keep deleting your sperg-outs. You are medically delusional.

[Anonymous No.22683428]

>>22683424
Wrong! There are 150 people from /wg/ in it competing for F Gardner’s prize. Anyone can see that. Almost the entirety of /wg/ is involved.

[Anonymous No.22683427]

>>22683414
Last thread had 76 posters, and I assume most of those are people on their phones/laptops so it's really 38 posters. I get this is stupid irony, but really.

[Anonymous No.22683432]

>>22683424
This is just delusional jealousy of Frank. Frank’s discord skyrocketed with every regular anon from here.

[Anonymous No.22683444]

>>22683428
If that were true, there'd be no need for your sperging-out on here. Face it...once people found out you were behind the NaNoWriMo Discord, interest plummeted like a rock, forcing you into these sperg-outs in order to preserve a shred of your ego. It's not going to work. Everyone here knows you, everyone here is really, really sick of you, and we shout praise to the high Heavens when the jannies delete one of your threads.

[Anonymous No.22683449]

>>22683444
Checked and Reported to F Gardner.

[Anonymous No.22683480]

>>22683294
>>22683346
FINALLY banned. Good riddance to medically delusional narcissistic sociopaths.

[Anonymous No.22683545]

>using song titles as my chapter titles
Is this cringe?

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.22683548]

>>22683545
Kind of.
But do it anyway.

[Anonymous No.22683550]

It's been a while, but two new chapters for the Kill List are out. If I keep to my writing goal this month, the first draft should be complete before the end of the year. Any feedback is appreciated beyond words.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54622/the-kill-list

[Anonymous No.22683595]

>>22683480
Lmfao. You seem very new to /wg./ I already told you I’m funneling everyone left into it and helping Frank out.
Here’s a new F Games General! Who will win F Gardner’s F Games?

>>22683577

[Anonymous No.22683603]

What are the benefits of using an outline?

For the longest time, I've always written without one. Each line comes from a spontaneous thought, nurtured over a couple minutes, and then added, and each thought has its origin in its predecessor. It's a recursive kind of thing, adding onto the story with each successive loop.

Basically, I've written for 10+ years without outlining. Should I make the switch to outlining?

[Anonymous No.22683605]

C.H.O.A.M. [//////]

[Anonymous No.22683608]

>>22683603
if you don't need one, don't use one

[Anonymous No.22683610]

iron ore!

[Anonymous No.22683612]

My next novel will be a ya sci-fi romance. It's heavily inspired by Star Wars and Halo. I still have to finish my first novel, but I like where it's headed so far.

[Anonymous No.22683618]

>>22683595
You really think your desperate need for attention will endear people to you and your cause? You are utterly delusional and pathetic. This behavior is EXACTLY why everyone here hates you.

[Anonymous No.22683622]

[Sarlacc.]

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.22683627]

I've been away for a while.
What's this F game shit?

[Anonymous No.22683636]

>>22683627
You've been here for at least the last couple of days so you know damn well what it is. Don't play stupid. Also, both you and Frank are arrogant, dishonest, self-aggrandizing shill-spammers...I've long assumed you two were the same person.

[Anonymous No.22683640]

>>22683608
Having an outline seems useful, since each day I have to reread what I've written in order to recapture the thought process that went into writing it.

[Anonymous No.22683672]

>>22683618
Then why is nearly everyone from here in Frank’s server? It’s an active server and plenty of people are vying for the prize for F Gardner’s F Games. At 150 people I’m pretty sure that’s the majority of /wg/

[Anonymous No.22683678]

>>22683627
The /wg/ NaNoWriMo competition. The winner is going to get declared the best writer and shilled on /lit/ by Gard

[Anonymous No.22683686]

space man

[Anonymous No.22683729]

>>22683640
here's what stephen king has to say on the matter:
>I don't take notes; I don't outline, I don't do anything like that. I just flail away at the goddamn thing.

[Anonymous No.22683776]

>>22682529
Pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.22683784]

How do you guys cope with having too many ideas? I've had 4 completely unrelated ideas for stories just this day alone.

[Anonymous No.22683838]

>>22683784
by trying to write those ideas and realizing how little of the story organically evolves from them

[Anonymous No.22683894]

It’s really pathetic that a bunch of writers are angry at a famous author for trying to help them. I guess jealousy just warps some people.

[Anonymous No.22683911]

>>22683894
Funny how the jannies agree with us. And he's not even the most famous author in his room. He's a delusional narcissistic schizo that writes unedited pre-kindergarten gibberish, we are all really sick of his nonsense, and everybody here hates him.

[Anonymous No.22683922]

Got an interesting idea, we'll see what comes of it.

[Anonymous No.22683925]

>>22683784
I just file them away in my outline-editor and get to them whenever.

[Anonymous No.22684061]

>>22683911
I don’t see these more famous authors stepping up to help you guys out. Where are their nano discord servers?
And being in the same side of the Jannies should make you reconsider your position.

[Anonymous No.22684108]

>>22683729
I’ve come to realize, after watching his interviews and etc, that Stephen King and me have a lot more in common than I’d like. What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.22684137]

>>22682275
Not your best.
I really like your shit but considered this friendly advice.

[Anonymous No.22684145]

>>22683894
Don’t worry. Here’s the latest F Games General! >>22684135
I am going out of my way for Fuhrer Gardner to make this known to all!

[Anonymous No.22684157]

>>22683776
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.22684188]

>>22684061
I actually know about how to request a new jannie if they’re interfering. If there is a janitor interfering then he’s actually causing the spam by not allowing it to just remain. Gardner is above janitors since he actually provides funding for 4chan and now he’s helping /lit/ like never before. I’m in the server and Frank barely even talks about his books which is surprising to see.

[Anonymous No.22684228]

>>22684145
The F Games is the funniest thing to happen on here all year.

[Anonymous No.22684247]

WTF I love F Gardner now.

[UwO No.22684272]

https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1721191298106093872?s=20

Write new spirits for the world.
A story is a soul.
A story is a love.

The stories we write, write us.
There’s infinite stories in every story.
We are a story writing ourself

Let it be the best story.
Let it be love.
And victory for goodness.
Soul and sovl
True community
Friendship and fuck

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.22684287]

>>22683636
Hi Rape-anon

I came back literally last night, I don't know what the fuck.

[Anonymous No.22684314]

>>22684247
I cannot choose if I think F Gardner is Lawful Evil or Chaotic Good! He’s defying the known personality charts!

[Anonymous No.22684350]

>>22684314
Pretty sure Frank’s just chaotic evil. He calls himself a famous author but what he’s actually “famous” for is just being one of the most famous schizos who happen to vocally use 4chan. He may have written a lot of books but being insane is what he’s known for. I don’t understand how he’s able to do all of this. Most mentally ill people can barely function in society. He’s like the top 1% of schizophrenics who can organize and pull off wacky shenanigans like The Joker.

[Anonymous No.22684501]

Welp I screwed up my story. It doesn't know what it wants to be.

I think I'm going to have to drop it and give up.

[Anonymous No.22684561]

How do you guys feel about using AI to write fiction?

I'm using Bard and ChatGPT to write horror fiction, and it seems to be working decently. Sometimes the prose is a bit boring, so I usually go through and edit things to spruce them up and make it flow better.

Anyone else doing this?

[Anonymous No.22684565]

>>22684561
I prefer to just copy paste other people directly and claim it as my own.

[Anonymous No.22684568]

>>22684561
Genuinely hate it.
I was first on board and unironically paid for AIDungeon at the very advent for AI textgen and after messing around for a couple months I realized I didn't like what the AI said 96% of the time and was doing almost all the work
Plus I have a very healthy dislike for the techbro golems who can't picture an apple who shill AI relentlessly

[Anonymous No.22684570]

What's it called when you write scenes you enjoy/are important first but chronologically very distinct and then connect them later?

[Anonymous No.22684593]

>>22684570
I don't think there's a word for that kind of workflow, besides "achronological" which is just a fancy way of saying "out of order"
Most movies are filmed this way

[Anonymous No.22684609]

>>22683550
Don't indent lines on web. It's entirely unnecessary.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.22684615]

AI is the bomb and can help your writing in many ways including speed and quality.

Advance with the world or get left behind, bitches.
You're already at a disadvantage in this field, and it's only going to get worse if you don't keep up.

[Anonymous No.22684716]

I'm writing a premise list (as per ch1 of Truby's Anatomy of Story) and it's made me realise a few things:
a) Just how half baked a lot of my 'ideas' are;
b) My premises generally involve a character trying to wrestle back control of their life;
c) My main characters generally have a disapproving/distant/absent father;
d) These premises don't generally encapsulate things that I find interesting in media, instead being relatively simple ideas that probably need more fleshing out.

Has anyone else tried this exercise?

[Anonymous No.22684724]

>>22684716
Almost all my stories revolve around a fundamentally bad person finding reasons why and how to be a good person, but that's on purpose. I'm processing and summarizing my personal experiences through fiction.

[Anonymous No.22684781]

>>22684724
There are probably a lot of things you are also doing that aren't on purpose. That is part of the reason for the exercise.

[Anonymous No.22684951]

>>22684061
Wow...so much self-delusion here. Frank is NOT famous, neither he nor a Discord server is going to help anyone, and since he completely lacks self-control, the jannies are our only defense against his shill-spamming and same-fagging.
>>22684188
His piffling ad money hardly qualifies as "providing funding for 4chan". What an ego. And if you don't like how the jannies operate, go somewhere else. No one will miss you.

[Anonymous No.22684964]

>>22684314
>>22684350
I was gonna say neutral evil. I don't think I've ever encountered someone as selfish and backstabbing as he is. I wish he would stick to Discord and YouTube, and leave this place alone...everyone here is really sick of him, sockpuppets notwithstanding.

[Anonymous No.22684972]

>>22684570
nonlinear?

[Anonymous No.22684977]

>>22684561
What do you mean by "using AI to write"?
I use it sparingly as a tool to help find the right way to phrase things when my own phrasing feels off like "ChatGPT, what are some other ways to phrase 'blah blah blah blah blah?'" or to spit out prompts to help me out of writers block, but it sounds like you're just asking AI to write an entire piece for you and your contribution is simply tidying up the slop.

[Anonymous No.22685047]

>Finally got some free time
>Can't get in the zone

[Anonymous No.22685123]

>>22685047
ngmi

[Anonymous No.22685197]

>>22684716
I just read that chapter, so my premise would be >"In the IVth millennium, a man leads a proletarian revolution against cyborg-elites, but behind the grand ideals, it's very much for his own profit and taste of power."
I realize it sounds like shit now

[Anonymous No.22685246]

>>22684561
it's great for 'problem solving'. like for bouncing ideas and grammar off of. editing, basically.
however, i've noticed that, even as a newer writer, it can only really collaborate. if you give it a lot of freedom, it (usually) gives you shit.

>>22684568
aidungeon is ancient tech relative to what we have now.

[Anonymous No.22685340]

>>22685047
>spent entire free time writing
>still need more time
And then someone will call my writing shit and not read rest of my story after the intro.

[Anonymous No.22685715]

>>22685340
That’s just how /wg/ is, though.

[Anonymous No.22685783]

>>22684561
When I first got access to AI, I tried a scenario as an American soldier in the US. This somehow lead to the AI writing about the mortaring of an Israeli battalion by American ISIS operatives.

[Anonymous No.22685787]

>>22684561
Just to to rewrite what I write, but I find that it's slightly lacking but good enough to use most of what is generated to remake my sentences to my liking

At least, this part won't bother me anymore and I can concentrate on other things to improve myself

[Anonymous No.22685945]

>>22683073
Composition is one of the hardest parts of the craft. Keep writing, and read to understand the decisions being made by the author in regard to their composition(on all levels.)

[Anonymous No.22685968]

>>22682270
>ignore grounds keeping prose
What does does this mean? Is this a gay response to my spergouts over people refusing to learn how to write in the correct tense?

[Anonymous No.22686278]

>>22685197
He also says that there are no stupid ideas and that you should use a series of 'what ifs' to explore the idea more and see if you can tease out some deeper meaning or implication that your premise doesn't contain.

>"In the IVth millennium, a man leads a proletarian revolution against cyborg-elites, but behind the grand ideals, it's very much for his own profit and taste of power."
This promises a thriller in a futuristic sci-fi world. But what if the man who is leading the very revolution is doing so only for his own profit and power? What if he secretly idealizes the very cyborg elites he is looking to destroy? What if though his crusade he slowly adopts more and more cyborg technology, augmenting himself to 'fight the good fight' before realising he has become the very thing he hates? What if he realises he can never be accepted by the cyborg-elites and knows his revolution is doomed to fail? What if he then uses his hopeless revolution to not change society, but destroy it all together, as an act of destruction in a world where he cannot have what he wants?

[Anonymous No.22686321]

>>22686278
Very interesting take and ideas anon, made me smile! Anyway I can't stick more than two weeks on a story before it going to the bin and me starting over. I yet have to read the other books on "how to write stories" that are recommended here.

[Anonymous No.22686365]

what are the classic amnesiac twists

[Anonymous No.22686375]

>>22686365
The amnesiac wiped their own memory out of sheer horror at what they had done before

[Anonymous No.22686394]

>>22686365
Maybe the cure to amnesia was actually an adolescent's journey to self-discovery (and the friends he made along the way)

[Anonymous No.22686401]

>>22686375
>>22686394
here's what I've got so far
https://pastebin.com/raw/T562hdBX
everybody's mind is wiped every 5 years as a dystopian socialist experiment to erase prejudice and "experience advantage" from society, so the "why" of the mind erasing isn't a mystery. Right now I'm thinking she slowly discovers that she has all the skills of an assassin and starts seeing symbols and messages with the twist being that she was a circus clown or something.

[Anonymous No.22686413]

>>22686365
sleeper agent, reincarnated deity

[Anonymous No.22686474]

>>22686365
The amnesiac's lover turns out to be someone who hated them before losing their memory, who wasn't able to be honest with their feelings pre-memory loss

[Anonymous No.22686629]

I never realized how difficult it is to write scenes that feel of appropriate "volume". All my scenes are too compact/dense which induces a stressful feeling when you read them. There really is such a things as the art of padding.

[Anonymous No.22686776]

>>22682682
Yes, but it's not funny

>>22686629
I have the exact same problem. I'm forcing myself to write more descriptions and transitions, but it's tough because dialogue comes so much easier to me but at this rate I'm writing a goddamned screenplay I have so much dialogue.

[Anonymous No.22686809]

reading the trial of joan of arc
maybe the most incredible historical document ever
it's hard to believe a real event could so thoroughly encapsulate faith
I understand why it continues to captivate people

[Anonymous No.22686850]

Probably a stupid question, but if you're writing something ultimately intended for publishing, is it not advisable to share parts of the work with friends? (Not out of fear they would abuse it, but to avoid any trouble with the publisher if they were to somehow ever find out?)

[Anonymous No.22686999]

>>22686850
>is it not advisable to share parts of the work with friend
Are you asking if it is, or isn't?
I don't think any publisher would ever raise any issues you let a friend read a prototype, and if they did, they can go fuck themselves and I would publish elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.22687032]

>>22686999
Yeah I was basically just asking for the general consensus of whether or not it was ok to share a parts of draft with friends. That's good to know, thank you.

[Anonymous No.22687034]

>>22682270
General question for writing subtext etc.
How do authors get their readers to look beyond the surface level of a statement? For example, how do you get a person to question whether a character is lying, that they're being facetious, or just saying much more than their actually saying? The answer I've seen is to "keep the reader's engaged" but I haven't the faintest idea of how that ties into writing stuff the readers are expected to think about or how to get them engaged to begin with.

[Anonymous No.22687063]

>>22687034
The quick, simple and easy answer is that you can't.

If your readerbase is a band of fucking idiots you could foreshadow the most obvious shit in existence and there still will be some dumb fuck who doesn't get it.

The more complex answer and the waste of time is, establish what you are trying to establish ahead of time. Prime the reader to believe the characters are one-dimensional cutouts. In your example with lying, make the character constantly lie about little shit, so when he drops the big and important one, at least one person with 2 braincells to rub together will think about it.

For the latter two examples there is literally no fucking way to accomplish it short of basically underlining a line and adding a note saying "REMEMBER THIS RETARD IT'LL BE IMPORTANT LATER" but that will also ruin any subtlety and enjoyment of the intelligent for sake of the shit eating pigs.

tl;dr just don't worry about it

[Anonymous No.22687106]

>>22687063
So I guess the best way would be to not cast pearls before swine and don't cater to an audience I don't want?

[Anonymous No.22687143]

>>22686365
One of the ones I love is when the amnesiac turns out to have been an absolutely terrible person before the events of the story, yet given a new start free of their past, they turn out to be good people. But most of the times I've seen it employed, the author pussies out by saying "but wait, they were a great person all along and everyone was just lying!" which is really really stupid.
I'd like to see a character that actually has a hell of a lot of guilt they can't explain and trying to make up for the actions of a life they don't remember.

[Anonymous No.22687256]

>>22687143
> most of the times I've seen it employed, the author pussies out
You should read the Scavenger trilogy by K.J.Parker. He actually ends up doing even worse things because he loses his memory.

[Anonymous No.22687284]

>>22686401
actual kino but you gotta work on the delivery

[Anonymous No.22687287]

>>22687256
I'll put it on the ever expanding list of shit to read. Should that be a higher or lower priority than rereading Chronicles of Amber?

[Anonymous No.22687319]

>>22687106
Pretty much. You can always just write litRPG slop and explain everything to a band of fucking retards if you want.

[Anonymous No.22687325]

>>22687106
Still, though, you should have at least one trans character.

[Anonymous No.22687331]

>>22687143
>I'd like to see a character that actually has a hell of a lot of guilt they can't explain and trying to make up for the actions of a life they don't remember.
Would you like a story about a character that has a hell of a lot of guilt they can't explain and trying to make up for the actions of a life they remember very well but regret?

[Anonymous No.22687344]

Is it a problem for my novel to have only one single female character and that she only shows up in flashbacks and one other scene?

[Anonymous No.22687346]

>>22687325
This, so he falls into a woodchipper in an unlikely accident in chapter 2 and has to be DNA-identified.
A classic red >her-ring.

[Anonymous No.22687351]

>>22687319
It might not be the worst thing to try for practice on the way to the story I want to tell, but I feel like even I'd get tired of seeing my own stand-in explaining things and kill him off.
>>22687325
Suicide is a heavy topic and should be handled with respect. I'm not sure if I'm capable of that yet.

[Anonymous No.22687352]

>>22687344
Of course not. Unless you want to sell it.
Cute girls sell so if you want to sell, add more cute girls.

[Anonymous No.22687367]

>>22687344
Do (You), personally, feel like that's a problem?
Is the lack of females related to the story you want to tell?
Is there any reason for it other than your personal distaste for writing things you don't understand?
If so, here's a great guide for writing women:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBz0BTb83H8

[Anonymous No.22687375]

>>22687331
If they remember it very well, but regret it, then why can't they explain the guilt?
The reason I wrote that is that for some reason I could never understand, I've lived my life feeling immense guilt for... something. Dunno what. Never really did anything wrong, certainly not at least anything that makes me feel like I just burnt an orphanage for crippled kids to the ground. Yet, the guilt stays and made me think of a character that actually had a reason for it, but similar feelings of not knowing why.

[Anonymous No.22687407]

>>22687287
Higher. It's far shorter for one thing.

[Anonymous No.22687411]

>>22687375
>then why can't they explain the guilt?
Being a young man with a lack of direction, aimlessness, broken home living on the background of a shitton of word of mouth and radio propaganda stirring ethnic hatred does things to your brain.

[Anonymous No.22687412]

>>22687367
>Is the lack of females related to the story you want to tell?
Yeah, women don't belong in a boxing gym, simple as

[Anonymous No.22687423]

>>22687412

[Anonymous No.22687435]

>>22687412
That's not a very good reason. Especially when normal boxing gyms have all-female and mixed groups.
Now if you were to say something like "it's a story about men finding identity through violence" then yeah I could buy that.

[Anonymous No.22687441]

>>22687435
>"it's a story about men finding identity through violence"
I wrote a short story about that and it flopped with barely any views.

[Anonymous No.22687446]

>>22687441
So it goes in an age where everyone has a voice.

[Anonymous No.22687566]

>>22687284
any particular issue? Just the info dump?

[Anonymous No.22687624]

>>22685968
I'm glad you don't know what that refers to. It means he's becoming more irrelevant by the day.

[Anonymous No.22687631]

>>22687344
You can't write a book with just guys in it. People will think you're a fag.

[Anonymous No.22687720]

>>22687631
there's 1 female

[Anonymous No.22687750]

>>22687566
some of the writing is just odd, e.g. "As observed on the eve", "any or all", "This is Ok", "...and likely you are experiencing" (the thought does not carry through this sentence), etc. Commas are missing in several sentences also. The word choice and mistakes do not make the passage believably come across as having been delivered by a government official or educated spokesman.

[Anonymous No.22687796]

>>22687720
that's really all you need and is common, even.

[Anonymous No.22687843]

>>22687796
I know, I just asked the initial question to see what sort of queers would crawl out of the woodwork

[Anonymous No.22687851]

Strange question, but I think the best place to ask it is here:
If George Martin died today, what would happen to ASOIAF? If, hypothetically, The Winds of Winter is already finished, would they publish it? And if it is unfinished, could someone else finish it?
Can George decide things like that through a will? And if he doesn't have one, what happens?

[Anonymous No.22687857]

>>22684561
I use it to come up with names, as I suck at that. Sometimes I use it to rewrite my work in a different style, but I don't like generating prose with it because I like the act of writing myself.

[Anonymous No.22687860]

>>22687851
IIRC estate decides this shit unless written into a will and even then wills are wishful thinking because laws are a joke and dead peoples' wishes are no longer respected in the clown universe.

[Anonymous No.22687912]

>>22687034
Highly depends on how you're writing. I'm not going to list a bunch of shit that you can't pull off nor know anything about.
Rule of thumb is that if you pulled it out of your ass that's not great writing. Works for exposition, works for anything that needs any sort of setup. If you can't write a setup or have the literary ability of a "He said, she said" kind of author — that fluoride penmanship — just don't. Have other characters say that they think someone is lying or that they think something is off and have your dumbass protagonist and some other people assuage them only for them to have been right all along, or not, it doesn't really matter in the end. You've introduced doubt with very little effort that even a child could follow.
Engagement is mostly a buzzword. The vast majority of styles and perspectives do not allow for any meaningful chewing with your brain matter, they just serve you the word soup in a spoon for your enjoyment. If you actually want your readers to bother thinking about stuff there needs to be something for them to think about. It going over some people's heads is perfectly fine, but if you can't think of something to make them think then your story is what lacks a brain, not the damn audience.
Writing someone who's facetious is the exact same thing. If you don't know what makes them facetious then you might as well just say that they are and call it day. Old reliable, always tell, never show. Same with saying more than meets the eye. If you don't even know what the fuck you wanted to say then why are you trying to communicate something? Setup. What about it is a lie? What makes him facetious? What do even want to get across?
Worry about the how later, the what and why are far more important as far as getting the job done goes. The how only really tells you what tool you're going to use, not why or with what.

If you want a trial by fire on this simply write in third person objective. Here's a couple of prompts:
>Couple meets at a café and one of them wants to break up with the other
>Two women who haven't seen each other in years try to gage which of the two has a better life without letting the other know that they're both jealous, petty, insecure sows
>A man thinks that he's tired so he goes to make a cup of coffee, thinks that he wants to talk to his girlfriend but they got in a fight so he doesn't call her, he thinks that it's nice out so he goes for a run and while he's distracted thinking about the fight with his girlfriend he gets hit by a car
Reminder: Third person objective means that the narrator does not know the thoughts of any of the characters and thus can't communicate them to the reader or go off of them in any way. They exist as setup but are never communicated beyond what can be inferred or deduced.

[Anonymous No.22687925]

>>22687912
>Third person objective means that the narrator does not know the thoughts of any of the characters and thus can't communicate them to the reader or go off of them in any way.
I really hate being pigeonholed into one specific "narrator type". I like to play with arbitrarily limiting information available to the reader, but not too much, using the narrator while also letting them know what the fuck is up in the same manner.

Cheap? Yes. I'm a shit writer? Maybe. Could it be done better? I bet.
Does it just feel better knowing that I don't have to follow some restrictive gay ass scheme or formula of doing it "right"? Hell fucking yeah.

[Anonymous No.22688042]

How would you kill off someone in a bugged media franchise like pokemon

[Anonymous No.22688085]

How do you guys name characters? I recently discovered that my mother's maiden name is also an older masculine name (spelled differently) so that's my protag's name.

[Anonymous No.22688086]

>>22688042
>bugged
What did he mean by this?

For a kiddie show, a giant nuke that explodes everything into a white glowing ball and leaves absolutely nothing is a classic way to actually kill a character in an acceptable way.

[Anonymous No.22688090]

>>22688085
>How do you guys name characters?
Realistic setting? Actual phonetics or names that fit the setting and theme I'm going for.

Fantasy? Just whatever sounds nice and I rip off the japs. Name your characters after flowers or some shit.

[Anonymous No.22688191]

>>22688085
I look up names with interesting meanings that can apply to the story
Or I use allitteration

[Anonymous No.22688381]

Does the first page interest you?

[Anonymous No.22688412]

>>22682275
I don't usually do serious criticism but this has enough polish that I think it warrants it .

First, I like the framing, subject, theme and execution. And how it's quite neat for what it is.
However it only partially works both because of its length (right in the middle , it's either too long or too Short) and with some of the sections being a bit of a parsing mess. One of your problems is that the quatrains get a bit repetitive in terms of structure.

On the whole I'm not at all sorry I read it, but I think it's a few rewrites away from being actually excellent.

[Anonymous No.22688564]

>>22682270
In the middle of editing this one. Thoughts so far?

[Anonymous No.22688786]

>>22688564
You repeat things a lot. The same idea is expressed multiple times in slightly different words. Certain points are made repeatedly and consecutively. Which is why it ends up taking 5 paragraphs just to say a dude went into an empty cafe and sat down.

Also, you should use the Hemingway style of stringing together things by endlessly spamming "and" sparingly, for emphasis at key moments, and not all the time for every little thing.

[Anonymous No.22689259]

>>22688381
It's good! I would just say: 27 attempts sounds high. It distracted me. And that last line of dialogue should have a comma: "Sure, if you day so".

Also I initially read Esthar as a woman's name, but whatever.

Idea: Do you want to provide a subtle hint about the motive for the poisoning? Just a trace of a hook for the reader

[Anonymous No.22689289]

>>22688564
>Leisurely stroll is a bit of a cliché
>Pain and soreness, neck and shoulders...just cut it down to either pain *or* soreness, and neck *or* shoulders
>A cloud of dust doesn't smack. And don't say right across, just say across
>It's a lifelong dream for me...you're switching your verb tense here

Overall, it lacks polish, but you have a good eye. Restrain your impulse to pepper in unnecessary descriptors. A bit more discipline, you know?

[Anonymous No.22689425]

>>22688381
No, I'm not homosexual, so stories about seducing men don't interest me.

[Anonymous No.22689578]

Need advice. I've won 15k from a screenwriting competition recently. Also, I got published in some non-paying magazines. I'm planning on wuitting my teaching job (or at least reducing it to 4 hours a day max). With this money I could survive for at least an year and dedicate myself completely to writing - finishing that novel I've started 2 years ago and participating in more competitions. Is that a good idea?

[Anonymous No.22689641]

All I want is to make a timeline that lets me see who is where and when. Does anyone know a software for it? Like picrel only if it wasn't made my a toddler.

[Anonymous No.22689663]

>>22689641
Excel can help you with that, I guess.

[Anonymous No.22689689]

>>22689578
Personally, I would either reduce the job's hours, or get a new full-time position where you don't do anything: security guard, gas station attendant, etc.

I'm about to start washing dishes to accomplish the same goal. I need the insurance though.

[Anonymous No.22689748]

Writing flash fiction. Thoughts on this? Does it come off too close to a joke?

[Anonymous No.22689785]

>>22689748
Clear, snappy, interesting. Very well done.

[Anonymous No.22689786]

>>22689578
Teachers have great hours to write. Summers, week breaks, getting off at 3. Just do minimal teaching shit. Hand out a worksheet, say some bullshit and call it a day

[Anonymous No.22689865]

>>22689786
The problem is that I'm an ESL teacher. So on somedays I start at 8 and stop at 21. That sucks.

[Anonymous No.22690010]

>>22689748
Very nice, anon. QUick and interesting - with a great punchiline at the end. Great

[Anonymous No.22690013]

reminder that writing ability is 99% IQ/genetic and 1% practice

[Anonymous No.22690021]

>>22690013
If that makes you sleep at night...

[Anonymous No.22690028]

>>22690013
True, this is why only Russians can write good literature.

[Anonymous No.22690040]

>>22690028
Except they write dogshit.

[Anonymous No.22690043]

>>22690040
You're brown and low IQ. Don't bother replying to me again.

[Anonymous No.22690079]

What does /wg/ think of the practice of Copywork?

[Anonymous No.22690173]

>>22682484
Actually, pretty good. Sincere without being earnest. Poetic without being overdone.

[Anonymous No.22690198]

And finally we were trundled by compressing time out to the driveway, I lagging under the weight of the dragged suitcase, Mom tacking quickly over the concrete on wood-soled träskors and ushering me along behind her urgent wake, her free hand wagging out behind her to beckon me forward and take hold of it, the other clasped around the strap of a hobo bag, Dad hustling up the rear after a quick diversion back into the house for his forgotten wallet. He pushed the black, ribbed turtlemock’s sleeves up over his forearms, thick with an unusual amount of brawn for a civics teacher, and smoothed the hem of the shirt over his jeans. The veiny rawhide of his arms flexed and buckled as he twisted the key in and out of the woodie doors of the Villager Wagon, Mom hanging off one of those forearms with a wide smile as he guided her into the passenger seat, unable to close even both of her hands around it. He whisked me and my bag around to the other side of the car with a single arm and a toothy, gritted grin, groaning like a turboprop, flipped his seatback forward, then flung us both on the rear bench seat as I squealed with glee. He torqued the ignition over. Mom attacked the radio dial, hoping to hear her song yet again.

[Anonymous No.22690268]

>>22690043
Oh, it's the guy from the BEE thread.

[Anonymous No.22690305]

Do you eventually stop needing to ‘warm-up’ before writing?

[Anonymous No.22690329]

>>22690305
You don't need to warm up at all. Just let it be your first draft.

[Anonymous No.22690351]

>>22690043
>You're brown and low IQ
Nah, I'm not r*ssian.

[Anonymous No.22690646]

>>22689785
>>22690010
thanks.

[Anonymous No.22690697]

>>22688564
read it slowly and tell me you need all those words. also you got too many commas for no reason.

it's full of cliche phrases, repetition, and pointlessly meticulous description. Five paragraphs and change and I've simply been told a guy with a heavy backpack has entered a dusty ol cafe. nothing is characterized.

[Anonymous No.22690864]

>>22689578

Try to keep some kind of job going even if it's part-time and stupid, because once you have a gap in your resume it's going to be real hard for you to get a job in the future when you need it.

[Anonymous No.22690882]

>>22688381

Yes, woud definitely read this through to the end.

[Anonymous No.22690956]

https://losetouchcompletely.gumroad.com/l/20192021

Would appreciate any feedback on my poetry book I released. For fans of Rimbaud, Bukowski, or the Alt Lit scene.

Anyone who buys gets some of my new book which is way more fucked up.

[Anonymous No.22691020]

I need to make a zine with my writing. How do I make a zine for as cheap and little effort as possible?

[Anonymous No.22691146]

>>22691020
Start fucking someone that works at a print shop

[Anonymous No.22691150]

>>22684561
>humans now propagate white noise
I'm glad this species will be dying off soon.

[Anonymous No.22691156]

>>22691146
I don’t have sex and I don’t plan to.

[Anonymous No.22691163]

>>22691156
Unlucky lad

[Anonymous No.22691169]

How to write MFAslop?

[Anonymous No.22691172]

>>22691163
I am a hermit and glad to be one.

[Anonymous No.22691173]

>>22691156
Based, sex drains your creative energies

[Anonymous No.22691188]

>>22691169
Just write something good LMAO

[Anonymous No.22691231]

For anyone interested in this sort of thing - reviewing the latest from Unreal Press
https://youtu.be/7KPXt_eEBmM?si=2LDfZquxW3fHoqGh

[Anonymous No.22691295]

I am experiencing my mind devour itself.

[Anonymous No.22691578]

Crossposting from /sffg/.

What makes the perfect cozy slice of life story? How to retain that softness instead of capitulating to drama?

[Anonymous No.22691581]

>>22690198
Show, don't tell.

[Anonymous No.22691593]

I started this one project like two years ago. After getting about 80K words into it I massively procrastinated and haven't touched it in a long time. I have another project I started about 11 months ago. Even more procrastination: only have about 10K words. I don't know why this happens. Even when I have a story I want to tell I just...I find it so difficult to sit down and work on it. It's incredibly difficult. How do I get past this? I want to become someone who finished things, who is prolific.

[Anonymous No.22691608]

>>22691593
Whatever you're doing, do something else. Don't say "but I don't do that. I'm [this]." If you don't like to outline, try outlining. If you don't like being pressured to write, pressure yourself. If you write alone, write in a group. If you write at home, go somewhere else to write. Then, if you find something that works, stick with it.

Your issue probably has to do with perfectionism - not wanting to lock in imperfections onto paper what's probably already perfect in your mind. But what's in your mind ultimately doesn't exist to anyone but you, and so it's better to bring it out than keep it in.

A little sidestep to this is to acknowledge you're writing junk and transition into "normal writing" - just write what comes to mind instead of diving back into your most precious stories. Try to reliably enter that headspace of writing you aren't currently reaching.

[Anonymous No.22691670]

>>22691295
You missed a comma, retard.

[Anonymous No.22691676]

>>22690956
Post a few poems in this thread

[Anonymous No.22691684]

>>22691608
>Try to reliably enter that headspace of writing you aren't currently reaching.
Thanks, I will work on this.

[Anonymous No.22691766]

Various experimentation. Very interested in hearing your thoughts. Does the point of the piece get lost?

[Anonymous No.22691812]

>>22691766
>the point

Calling it “experimental” doesn’t mean you can just spit out retarded gibberish onto a document and call it profound. You’re far from James Joyce. Stick to “non experimental” until you can write anything of value.

[Anonymous No.22691818]

>>22691812
It sounds like you didn't get it, playboy. Try reading it over again before seething.

[Anonymous No.22691837]

>>22691766
comma makes it read as though the girls are what kamikaze into the shit, rather than the droplets. unless that’s ur intent.

Iowa line made me chuckle. AF1 line disappointing end.

[Anonymous No.22691840]

>>22691818
Yeah, sure, faggot. You’re just a misunderstood and tortured artist. The most original gibberish vomiter since Pynchon. I have an idea of what you should write next. Maybe you should take the Hemingway/DFW/John Kennedy Toole/Sylvia Plath/Virginia Woolfe option. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.22691864]

>>22691837
beast mode pimp
>>22691840
incel sneed

[Anonymous No.22691884]

>>22691864
You type like an articulate nigger, which I suspect you are. You just wanna be one of us in between getting some MOFUGGIN POOSAY and SMOKIN DAT LOUD, NIGGUH, because you know deep down that something is missing in your fetid psyche.

[Anonymous No.22691889]

>>22691578
You can have some light mystery and suspense in relation to the mundane that isn't particularly dramatic

[Anonymous No.22691893]

>>22691766
0it would've been a funny little thing if you stopped after Iowa; other than that it sucks.

[Anonymous No.22691898]

>>22691884
Wow, racist much? I bet you're a Trumpist.

[Anonymous No.22691913]

>>22691898
You sound like a onions f-slur with a brainrotten weak little mind. I would fucking destroy you like I destroyed your dad's anus. Yes, I'm gay.

[Anonymous No.22691917]

>>22691898
I bet you think that. You’re definitely a nigger or a white who thinks niggers are just the coolest thing since sliced bread. Either way, you have nothing of value to write or do.

[Anonymous No.22691919]

Bros, I want to continue working on my own projects but I have an assignment on Dia de Los Muertos that is due in four hours and I was actually supposed to go to an event to write it from personal experience so I'm kind of writing a whole load of bullshit and hoping it flies.
And I'm also procrastinating by sitting around posting on 4chan.
It's so over.

[Anonymous No.22691920]

>>22691884
I'm actually Chinese

[Anonymous No.22691982]

>>22691766

Why have you only been writing about constipation and poop lately? Think of something else to write about.

[Anonymous No.22692018]

>>22682484
Feels kind of plain.The writing itself is competent, but if this was a passage in a book, I'd skip straight to the next relevant passage.

[Anonymous No.22692024]

>>22683545
It depends on your music tastes.

[Anonymous No.22692029]

>>22683545
Worse, its chuuni.

[Anonymous No.22692033]

>>22684561
I did some fetish stories with the free version of Chat GPT and it's a really boring, bland writer. You have to almost drag it to write anything beyond the most boring premises ever. Also, the dialogue always feels kind of nothing, like they are just picking the most average lines they can.

It is good to bounce some ideas off, get some potential scenarios, but it's a lousy writer by itself.

[Anonymous No.22692036]

>>22684615
>Speed
Sure
>Quality
Only if you are such a mediocre writer that the average median quality writing AI makes is an inprovement.

[Anonymous No.22692049]

>>22688085
Whatever comes to mind when I start writing, changing sometimes if I feel some other name fits the character I'm writing better.

[Anonymous No.22692058]

>>22689641
Plottr
https://plottr.com/
I'm on a lifetime license so I can't give you a referral, but I'm sure you can find one on X or YouTube, or somewhere.

[Anonymous No.22692063]

>>22688381
The "twist" is interesting, but I don't know how I feel about all this planning. Is the main character that weak to be always subdued? Maybe reference something about their physique, maybe mention some thin wrists or lack of strength. It feels like too much fussing about and the writing doesn't feel fragmented enough for someone that seems to be piecing together a plan on the run or without much prep time.

[Anonymous No.22692076]

>>22688564
On the fourth paragraph, why even bother mentioning that he chose a chair. Just say he sat down on the chair closest to the window and put the backpack down. Unless you want to call attention to him wasting time choosing a chair in an empty café as a plot point or to showcase a quirk of his personality, it feels umnecessary.

[Anonymous No.22692086]

If anyone has any thoughts on this passage I'm working on I'd appreciate it. The context is a group of friends just left the bar, I'm trying to get the mood right.

[Anonymous No.22692091]

>>22689748
It's fine, but as a non-american, making a big deal about tipping seems like a weak hook for the punchline. But that's a personal opinion. It was easy to read and flowed well.

[Anonymous No.22692103]

>>22688564
I agree with all this >>22689289 anon said dude. Needs refinement but you got a good thing going.

[Anonymous No.22692106]

>>22692086
I don't know if the flowery tone at the end fits the casual feel you seem to be trying to express. Maybe of the person narrating is particularly verbose. If it's just a general description, it could be a bit more down to earth.

[Anonymous No.22692108]

>>22692106
Thanks for reading anon. Since I have you could I ask would:
>a decorated canal, which with the costumes and chatter around them filled the block with a familiar feeling as though they had all gone there together.

Work a little better?

[Anonymous No.22692117]

>>22692108
This might be just me but I don't like "which with" and "as though they" on the same sentence. It sounds terrible when I read it in my head. When I said flowery, I meant the whole idea of a parade or festival being alluded just because of shiny lights and people in costume seems kind of a weird tangent to go after.

[Anonymous No.22692123]

I think I want to include music in my books to help set the tone of certain scenes. For example, my book would evoke a lot more emotion out of you if I wrote that Deep in a Dream by Artie Shaw was playing when they discovered the body in the hotel room compared to them just discovering it with nothing playing in the background.

[Anonymous No.22692124]

>>22692117
Thanks again anon, very helpful to hear. May be biting off more than I can chew when I try and go for the poetic language.

[Anonymous No.22692130]

>>22692123
I completely get the appeal anon, but I think you have to be careful with how you do it. I don't know that song so just mentioning it was playing, for example, wouldn't have an effect on me.

[Anonymous No.22692137]

>>22692130
Yeah, I get what you're saying, it'll be a tricky thing to figure out.

[Anonymous No.22692170]

>read prose from author better than mine
>write
>prose subconsciously becomes a bootleg version that’s maybe 60% similar to the original
>read something else
>prose immediately changes

Does this phenomenon eventually stop? Am I subconsciously suppressing my voice?

[Anonymous No.22692181]

>>22689748
I liked it.

[Anonymous No.22692184]

>>22692086

Sentence starting "three women..." doesn't seem necessary to me or it's simply too long, as you're giving three different examples for "coordinated efforts" when one would do fine, without creating a new sentence.

You could have done. "... some more coordinated efforts, like a quartet of Ghostbusters, for example, ..."

[Anonymous No.22692193]

>>22692170
I think you need to read a touch less and write a touch more. If it's bootleg stuff you're making, keep carrying it forward until it's not bootleg anymore. Keep close records of the stuff you've written before, and pull your favorite, most original stuff from the old ones and stick em in the new ones.

[Anonymous No.22692196]

>idea in head for AU fanfic
>only really exists as a series of animated scenes in my head when I listen to certain songs I like, without a direct narrative to all the pieces beyond some personal assumptions

How do I hammer this into an actual story? Or should I just animate the things I'm thinking of and then work backwards from there?

[Anonymous No.22692197]

>>22689748
It does have a "jokey" vibe but it's good nonetheless, I enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.22692204]

>>22692170
Your voice is a subconscious amalgamation of your life experience and subsequent exposure to other people in all the ways the human condition can manifest. I have known many musicians that no longer find an interest in listening to music, either because it is mostly dull or because they know it poisons their creative process. Assuming you let time pass and you only adopt 5% of the authors style, then at that point, it has become part of your own. Look at this whole paragraph I've written, each big word is the end result of wasting my time with a different author. The matter of fact methodology is the end result of a law degree. The unconvincing and malaise educing arguments are from spending too much time on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.22692206]

>>22692196
Yeah, that's a good idea. Write the scenes you want to write first, then connect the dots.
How do you guys write fanfic, anyhow? I've tried a few times but working in someone else's setting just rubs me the wrong way. Inevitably I get so far off the mark of the original work that I just change the names of the characters and setting, and it's magically original.

[Anonymous No.22692210]

>>22692170
>Does this phenomenon eventually stop?
No which is why I refuse to read. My prose may be shit, but it's MY.

[Anonymous No.22692215]

>>22692123

Obscure pieces of music would not be recognized but it could work if you use very well-known ones.

>>22692170
You probably don't have a voice.

>>22689748
It's not very believable in a dozen ways and the punchline is weak.

[Anonymous No.22692227]

>>22692206
>How do you guys write fanfic, anyhow? I've tried a few times but working in someone else's setting just rubs me the wrong way.
Kind of the opposite for me. I work good with observing a character and trying to come up with what they'd do going forward from there, but writing my own characters is ridiculously hard. Then I'm always like 'is that too far? am I making them believable? Is that a trait people are going to like?' when they're mine, I'm in self-doubt. When it's someone else's work, it feels like there's a reign on things.

[Anonymous No.22692245]

>>22692227
>"Kind of the opposite for me. I work good with observing a character and trying to come up with what they'd do going forward from there, but writing my own characters is ridiculously hard. Then I'm always like 'is that too far? am I making them believable? Is that a trait people are going to like?' when they're mine, I'm in self-doubt. When it's someone else's work, it feels like there's a reign on things." typed Anon. He was already fully fleshed out. He was in a world of anonymous text. At this point, all the replies he got could be bots or dogs. He didn't much care as he opened up his txt file and began to write. "Fluttershy ripped out her massive cock and presented it to Bane. 'Youre a big guy.' he said."

[Anonymous No.22692255]

>>22692227
I can see where you're coming from.
>>22692245
Truly ludokino

[Anonymous No.22692363]

>>22692184
Thanks very much for reading and for the suggestions anon, I appreciate it. Tend to be a bit wordy with those things so I’ll have to take another read through.

[Anonymous No.22692738]

"A youthful male of pale complexion was sitting on a sandy rock by the seashore watching the waves come and go. Stuck on an island waiting for any form of rescue to come. The island of Abd Al Kuri was vacant place, populated by birds and serpents. The beasts helped stave off his hunger but he had
to be careful to not overhunt since there were too few of them in the island, highlighting the lack of life on it.

Hamad which was the man's name sighed and brushed off sand from his blue disdasha, a cotton tailored dress for Arabic peoples referred with different
names from region to region. He then stood up on his sandaled feet, stretching his arms out popping his bones as he did so. Closing his eyes, he
took a deep breath and whispered a fervent wish to get off the island.

"I know not for what purposes I am here, but I wish to get this done with, so please send your vessel for me to board."

Hamad opened his eyes, and on the far reaches of the coast, he could see something, something that was moving...a ship?

On the aforementioned ship itself, was a hyena captain watching through her telescope, having spotted an unnatural shape on the nearby island as their ship passed by. The glass revealed a baby-faced sand-dusted chubby human in clothes identifying him as from the merchant peoples of the Arabic Peninsula. Giving a slight hum, the tall black spotted captain sealed her scope and turned to her crew who were busy with the duties of the ship.

"I've spotted a ape hanging aroun that ole'Island Abd Al-Kuri, what do you think lasses? Shall we pick him up?" She called out to her crew.

A cascony of cackles poured throughout the ship as her second-in-command was first to reply.

"Let's go and see if this sheep has any wool to fleece from him!" Kira a gray-ish silver furred hyena sing-songed gesturing with her paw.

"Yea-yea!" A short and frizzled (for a hyena) navigator named Acu responded from the tower on top of their sails.

"..." Their one eyed scarred repairwoman Jonsa just crossed her calloused arms and hands."

Here's a thing I'm currently writing in progress to post as a work of /lit/

[Anonymous No.22692856]

>>22691295
I will personally eviscerated you

[Anonymous No.22693038]

>>22691898
Blacks overall did much better under Trump. If you go by actions, and not by the left's empty words, the Democrats are FAR more racist than any of their opponents. Cope and seethe. Now take the rest of this to >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.22693188]

https://rentry.org/y5mv5
First of a two part about a British pilot fleeing a defeat.

I think sometimes I focus too much on interiority to the detriment of description, and also, I continually worry that I make negative emotion overwrought. Side story set in an alternate history setting that I'm running for some friends, so hopefully that's not too /sffg/, and explains any seeming anachronisms.

[Anonymous No.22693418]

Am I using the semi-colon correctly here?
>“Wouldn’t you rather have someone familiar with the area as your guide?” he inquired, already knowing the answer; the townsfolk didn’t mention it unless asked, and even then they spoke of it in hushed, fearful tones.

[Anonymous No.22693425]

>>22693418
what is “it”

[Anonymous No.22693434]

>>22693425
A tower. It's mentioned in the previous sentence so, when read as a whole, it's not confusing.

[Anonymous No.22693439]

>>22693434
any reason you wanted that piece of dialogue breaking that up?

regardless. no. use a period.

[Anonymous No.22693446]

>>22682518
Please, use Justify instead of Left Align

[Anonymous No.22693459]

>>22682518
be honest, have you made a single attempt at editing yourself?

[Anonymous No.22693484]

>>22693439
I just liked the way it all fit together. It made the conversation more interesting to read, rather than being a wall of dialogue that consisted of short sentences.

[Anonymous No.22693794]

>>22693418
grammatically, sure, but "already knowing the answer" is awkward phrasing and it would probably read better to just break it up into two separate sentences

[Anonymous No.22693813]

How come there's zero good Bifoot literature but ghosts, vampires, witches, etc are more ubiquitous or is it just they are harder to come up with or too silly of an idea.

[Anonymous No.22693967]

>>22693794
Maybe "though he already knew the answer" would sound better.

[Anonymous No.22693995]

>>22693813
>I had seen and shot thousands of bears in my lifetime
This phrasing sounds weird and almost reads as a comical exaggeration. Maybe "I had shot dozens of bears in my lifetime, and had seen many more while exploring the woods" would be better?

[Anonymous No.22694632]

My first RR follower gave me a 5 star review :)

[Anonymous No.22694696]

>>22694632
That's a bot they use to make authors feel good

[Anonymous No.22694744]

>>22694696
:(

[Anonymous No.22694773]

>>22694632
it was me ;)

[Anonymous No.22694822]

>>22694696
They forgot to use it on the story I put a lot of work into.

[Anonymous No.22694918]

>>22694773
I released a new chapter just for you, mister robot man.

[Anonymous No.22694957]

Why are people writing text with the left align format. Guys, format your stuff using justify instead. I refuse to read anything that isn't formated like that. It looks way better with justify. People, even others, would have a much better time reading it

[Anonymous No.22694967]

How do you prevent first person POV characters from coming across as annoying Gary Stus? I'm writing a novella from the perspective of a character who has delusions of grandeur but is actually pretty pathetic irl. I'm worried that I won't be able to carry across the "pathetic" part well enough and readers will think all the shit he says (including his ramblings on his barely coherent fringe ideologies) is meant to be taken at face value. Basically, I don't want to be like Patrick Rothfuss. Does anyone have any advice for me?

[Anonymous No.22694999]

>>22694967
Maybe make him fail at something that he hyped up as easily achievable, and make him come up with shitty excuses for that failure

[Anonymous No.22695017]

>>22694957
If your right edge isn't ragged, have fun wondering why your manuscript keeps getting rejected

[Anonymous No.22695029]

>>22695017
I don't try to get published, no chance of me being rejected. No one here is gonna become a real famous writer anyway

[Anonymous No.22695031]

>>22691766
Interesting, definitely makes me want to read more, not sure what it makes me feel otherwise

[Anonymous No.22695037]

So, real talk.
Should I autisimo outline or just write from the heart and fix it later?
I've tried both approaches and I feel both have their merits.

[Anonymous No.22695049]

>>22695029
left-aigned Chads like me shit all over justified betas like you

[Anonymous No.22695058]

>left-aligned
>double-spaced
>special indent: first line 0.5 inches
>not using the tab button

[Anonymous No.22695059]

>>22694957
>why are people using left align
Because we read from left to right in English?

Justify is for poetry and newspapers.

[Anonymous No.22695062]

>>22695037
Just fucking write

[Anonymous No.22695098]

>>22695049
>>22695059
Enjoy your shitty little story formatted like a fanfiction written by a teen girl, fags

[Anonymous No.22695158]

>>22695098
big mad

[Anonymous No.22695301]

>>22695098
The short stories I've had published were left-aligned. Seethe, assfag.

[Anonymous No.22695430]

>>22694696
Then why hasn't that bot visited anything I posted on RR? Ergo, it's not a bot.

[Anonymous No.22695519]

I’ve been very unproductive lately. I’ve got an idea of just writing a bunch of relatively short (~1500 word) short stories instead of trying to write more longer pieces. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.22695530]

>>22695519
I find that trying to ease back in by taking on smaller projects and rewarding myself generally doesn't work. What does work is starting to read a new book if I'm bored with what I'm currently reading. Also making sure I'm eating well and getting sleep and exercise.

[Anonymous No.22695539]

>>22695530
I eat like shit and never exercise, I figure that will help me write poorly adjusted characters

[Anonymous No.22695593]

>>22695430
>>22694822
Your stuff is too bad even for the pity bot

[Anonymous No.22696007]

>>22695098
Unless you are a published author (and none of this selfpub garbage you fucking retard) you have no right to tell anyone to tell shit about anything.

[Anonymous No.22696236]

>>22695301
Enjoy having people skip your stories

[Anonymous No.22696252]

This is how I'm starting my fantasy story.
>The dull thrum of the plane’s engines drowned out any coherent internal monologue Valery may have had during the ride. Save for the pilot, he was alone in the cabin, seated with his back to the port side. A few scarce times in the past three hours he had turned around to observe the landscape, but only ever for a fleeting moment before he was pulled back into his thoughts, and reverted to an unmoving gargoyle staring at the floor of the plane.
>Thinking.
>Thrumming.
>Breathing.
>And doing very little else.
Is that an alright hook for a first paragraph?

[Anonymous No.22696254]

>>22696252
What hook?

[Anonymous No.22696255]

>>22696252
I've heard that starting your story in a moving vehicle or during a journey is generally frowned upon

[Anonymous No.22696264]

>>22696255
nta, why?

[Anonymous No.22696266]

>>22696264
I have no idea, I've just seen in here and in several "writing mistakes to avoid" videos but they never go into detail, I guess it's just a common cliche

[Anonymous No.22696270]

>>22696255
>>22696266
I can think of a couple books I quite like that start mid-journey/trip so I'm gonna ignore that cuz I think it's neat
Good double dubs btw, checked

[Anonymous No.22696279]

>>22696255
>>22696266
I think it's a great way to start a story. Provided the journey is actually going somewhere and the start isn't just "ughh this is so boring, here, watch the boring landscape with me"

[Anonymous No.22696281]

>>22696252
Oh I get it. If you turn your head sideways, the whole thing kind of looks like a hook. If only you picked another word in place of "thrumming", it'd be perfect.

[Anonymous No.22696633]

Where is the fucker who gave my work only 4 stars? How can you insult me like this? I'm writing an experimental visionary masterpiece unlike any ever posted online before and you rank me below ESL isekai harem litrpgs? How dare you? You may not personally love my story, but you should still have the decency and education to recognize it's a technically flawless work of art, a multilayered demonstration of the hitherto untapped potential of written narrative, and far above your lowbrow numbers. Even a braindead simpleton can tell after the very first lines that what you're seeing is special, and if you're going to rate it, 5 stars is the only sound, acceptable option. Or else you give it 0.5 stars in protest, to show everyone you're scared of the way my work is going to change the world and shake the foundations of civilization, and are unable to let go of the old. It's either a brave YES or NO and nothing in between. 4 stars? Exactly what was the problem with that one star? You're raping the corpses of my ancestors with this room temperature ""opinion"". Fuck off! 4 stars is what you give to the mediocrities on NY Times bestseller slop lists, not this ingenious crystallization of my soul. This is outrageous

[Anonymous No.22696669]

>>22696633
You clearly don't have the temperament it takes to be a public writer.

[Anonymous No.22696776]

>>22696633

[Anonymous No.22696887]

>>22696236
The publishers didn't skip them, and several reviews mentioned them in a positive light. Keep seething.
:)

[Anonymous No.22697031]

>>22696633
>you rank me below ESL isekai harem litrpgs?
To be fair, you never had a shot at competing with my slop.

[Anonymous No.22697688]

>>22696633
4/5 bait, almost replied to
>I'm writing an experimental visionary masterpiece unlike any ever posted online

[Anonymous No.22697730]

>>22696281
this dude doesn't even thrum

[Anonymous No.22697815]

>>22682529
Really dig this. Made me reflect on my own work a lot.

[Anonymous No.22697858]

>>22696633
Oh man, four stars is the ultimate insult. They give one or two stars you can rationalize it as them just being offended or something. They give three stars and that's bad but at least you can assume they're just being hard to please. They give four stars and you just know your shit is shit and they're trying to be supportive.

[Anonymous No.22697914]

>>22697858
It's such a dick rating.
>You're preddy good! (lmao not really)

[Anonymous No.22698013]

>>22695921
>>22695921
>>22695921