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/lit/erati - I need to know: Is Lucretius the shit?

>> No.2281818

He has a massive hard-on for Epicurus.
Which is a good thing.

Lucretius is indeed the shit. Except when he talks about lightning and stuff towards the end.

>> No.2281822

>>2281818
Isn't Epicurus that hedon dude? That sounds like a rather disreputable affiliation, then.

>> No.2281827

>>2281822
>Isn't Epicurus that hedon dude?

It's an oversimplistic view of Epicurus, mostly difunded by the Stoics in his time, who were against him on some points and later by the Christians who tried to destroy everything about him.

He was an atheist advocate for science and postured that good life came through simple pleasures and moderation. To say he was a hedonist as we think of them, is not correct at all.

>> No.2281837

>>2281827
Alright, if he was a disciple of Epicurus, did actually add anything of novelty. I've heard of Lucretius' principle of clinamen--the swerve of atomistic particles--but I thought Epicurus posited the same exact thing.

>> No.2281841

>>2281837
I haven't studied it deeply, but I don't think Lucretius came up with something too new. If anything, he may have chosen some of Anaxagoras or Democritus'theories over Epicurus'but his work was mostly to difund epicureanism to the masses of Rome.

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2281877

Did somebody say 'clinamen?'

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2281881

Did some say 'climb in my bed'?

>> No.2281888

>>2281877
>>2281881
There's no discernible neck.

>> No.2281898

>People calling Epicurus an atheist

Fucking hell.

Also, yeah, Lucretius is shit hot. Rerum Naturum is one of my favourite books ever.

>> No.2281901

>>2281898

>De Rerum Natura

Derp, mea culpa

>> No.2281902

>>2281888
Who needs a neck when you have an irresistible wattle and jowls?

>> No.2281907

OP, here's a fine introduction to De Rerum Natura and its significance: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/110808fa_fact_greenblatt?currentPage=all

>> No.2282068

>>2281898
>implying that saying there aren't gods and if there are, they don't care about humanity isn't pretty much akin to atheism, agnosticism at worst

>> No.2282084

>>2282068
That sounds like a deist position. I'm not acquainted with Lucretius' work but if he is a devotee of Epicurus, that suggest he is sort of atheist. The Epicurean conception of virtue and morality is essentially incompatible with a god.

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>> No.2282095

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