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ITT: Controversial principles and beliefs you hold.

-Gay people are either psychologically or genetically disordered/diseased
-I'll never breed with a girl who isn't white
-I believe going clubs reduces people to apes
-I believe women are on average physically and mentally inferior (exceptions are rare)
-I think a virginity is something sacred (male or female)
-Most people don't value the Truth

>> No.2301339

>-I believe going clubs reduces people to apes

People who hate nightclubs (and there are a lot) never get invited to nightclubs.

>> No.2301340

keep this shit in /tv/

>> No.2301341

>>2301335
-Disordered in that they do not fit into natural selection, yes
-Natural instincts (racial altruism) are to do just this
- It allows us to reduce back to our primal instincts, I am not sure if this can be considered objectively bad, however
- Physical, sure. Mental, most likely due to environment and studies back this sentiment (google if you don't believe)
-Sex should be considered sacred, not virginity
-There isn't ever an objective truth, and sometimes the truth doesn't matter, and can even be more harmful to learn it than not

>> No.2301343

ITT: Moronic opinions that cunts hold

>> No.2301344

>>2301343

that's close minded. You sound like a close minded cunt.

>> No.2301349

>>2301344
>Gay people are diseased
>Black people are inferior
>Clubs turn people into apes
>Women are inferior
>This one doesn't bother me
>Paraphrase: I SPEAK THE TRUTH

I'm the closed minded one, eh?

>> No.2301351
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2301351

OP is an idiot.

I think religious people and people who subscribe to pseudoscience, e.g astrology, homeopathy, etc, should not be allowed to vote or participate in any sorts of governing or important decisions. This means, if you believe in said things, this equals no jury-duty for you and you can definitely never, ever have a high-ranking job, such as a judge, say (or anything of the sorts).

>> No.2301356

-Partaking in any intoxicant to the point that it impairs your mental faculties is morally wrong
-Driving a personal automobile is morally wrong
-Eating meat is morally wrong

>> No.2301357

>>2301351

Also, it depends what sort of religion and what sort of beliefs you hold. A reasonable taoist, jainist or buddhist and maybe even a hinduist would easily be allowed to become a judge say, if not preferred.

>> No.2301361

>>2301351
This opinion is just as stupid as the ones held by the OP and infinitely more elitist. I pray that everyone responding to the question so far is trolling.

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2301362

>>2301357
>taoist, jainist or buddhist
>all of which have extremely superstitious beliefs
>They're OK

6/10

>> No.2301364

>>2301362

A reasonable one with a perfectly reasonable set of morals ought to be allowed to.

>> No.2301367

>>2301361

I'd like you to tell my why this is so much worse than what OP is saying. I also make the assumption that you're religious and you were offended by it.

>> No.2301368

>>2301357
Holy fuck you are retarded

>> No.2301371

Polyamory and Multiple partnered systems should be more accepted.

>> No.2301372

>>2301367

>I also make the assumption that you're religious and you were offended by it.

This is why you're retarded.

>> No.2301373

-Unintelligent people are subhuman
-Abrahamic religion is inherently wrong
-Marijuana should be legalised
-The acquisition of knowledge is sacred
-Black people are sexy
-If there is a higher power, it clearly gives no fucks about us at best, hates us at worst
-I am pro choice
-Vegemite is delicious

>> No.2301374

>>2301349

At least he's not being a thought nazi, or succumbing to societal pressures.

A lot of OP's beliefs are instinctual in man, of course they are or these beliefs wouldn't exist, the problem being that political correctness has demonised anybody with an alternative belief to the status quo. Whilst OP recognises the views of his that are controversial, I still challenge him to consider the reasons for his highly conservative views, and to take into account how society may have been dominated by man and repressed the minorities so that they are indeed inferior in society. In that case we should be demonising the forefathers.

I'd like to add on to his views of homosexual people as well and add that any Atheist should share his view, for OP doesn't say that gay people are wrong or disgusting, just that they don't serve the purpose that man is here to perform, they don't fall in line with the theory of evolution so therefore they must be genetically disordered/diseased. That is just an objective truth...nothing wrong with thinking that, it's only logical.

>> No.2301375

The criminal justice system is too leniant. It should be an eye for an eye. We pay far too much attention to the rights of offenders and not enough to the rights of victims.

Black culture is primitive and animalistic

Religion and religious people are retarded. Islam however is a particularly vicious form of retarded.

Most racial stereotypes are true to some extent

Our society has become too 'touchy feely inclusive everyone's a winner'. Participation is not the same as winning. A D is not a pass.

>> No.2301379

>>2301372

Then perhaps my assumption was wrong.

Sorry, I don't see how this makes me retarded. Take the bible, how can you trust judges, for instance, who take the bible as literal truth, to be morally sane? We are talking about people who believe in giants that lived for 900 years, who believe in a god that is pretty much the personification of evil. How can we trust these people to make the right decisions?

It's funny that as I write this, a Mormon just won in Iowa, and right behind him was a bigot of a gay-hater. These are not very sane people. The fact that these people are being taken seriously to represent an entire nation is, to me, shocking.

>> No.2301380

Much of the environmental movement is full of shit, particularly when it comes to the cult of global warming or climate change or whatever they call it these days. They've just replaced one religion for another.

>> No.2301381

>>2301356

i agree with the latter two, but what's wrong with taking acid and sitting alone in the dark with music?

>> No.2301382

>>2301374

Atheism is not an answer to the existential question. It's also not a subscription to social Darwinism.

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2301384

>>2301379
>Gay people
>Deserve communal respect

>> No.2301383

>-I think a virginity is something sacred (male or female)
Apparently grammar isn't. Pleb.

>> No.2301385

>>2301373
that's just called being right. except for the vegemite.

>> No.2301386

My belief is that OP is a troll

>> No.2301388

-anything more than two sugars in a cup of tea is disgusting
-putting drinks on a pedestal is retarded (i once heard a man say that adding coke to jack daniels is "an insult to Jack Daniel's"

>> No.2301390

>>2301384

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNw4PwVYzSs

>> No.2301391

>>2301384

I'll quote Hitchens
Homosexuality is not just a form of sex, it is a form of love, and therefore it deserves our respect.

>> No.2301392

>>2301381

I hold the intellect sacred, and I don't believe it should ever be distorted in that way.

>> No.2301393

>>2301388
>anyone who does this to this certain drink is disgusting
>anyone who puts a drink on a pedal stool is retarded

Well I guess you are retarded then.

>> No.2301394

>>2301372
I said it's just as stupid but more elitist, not "so much worse". It is fucking snobby - that a lack of belief in something is a way to quantify intellect. Also, I'm not religious, or 'agnostic', or 'spiritual' and I don't subscribe to any of the bullshit pseudo-science beliefs you criticised. I am an atheist. I'm just not part of the Hitchens and Dawkins camp of trying to shove what I think down other peoples throats, or implying that I am superior to those who don't hold my lack of belief.

>> No.2301396

Oh jeez...The caliber of trolls on c/lit/ far exceeds the rest of the boards. You guys just put so much effort into it...and often times very subtle.

>> No.2301397

>>2301391
I'll quote some guy:
"Homosexuals have as much right to be miserable as anybody else"

>> No.2301398

I have no problem with loving gay relationships. However if you're going to insist on wearing a leather thong and prancing through a city in a pride parade waving your junk at kids I reserve the right to beat you. I'd do the same to a straight dude if he were trying to pull that kind of shit.

>> No.2301401

>>2301394

You quoted the wrong guy. The guy you quoted called me retarded and probably agrees with you.

My point is just that I don't trust these people to be morally nor intellectually qualified to make important decisions. Especially not in any sort of courtroom or jury.

Besides, atheists are the most persecuted of all people. I reserve my right to criticize and berate any sort of ideology that tries to dominate my life and my values and ethics and virtues.

>>2301397

What the hell does that mean? Because they are homosexual, and therefore presumably different than you, they are to be made miserable? What an asinine opinion.

>> No.2301405

>>2301396

they aren't trolls, they're just children.

although i always change my mind about that

>> No.2301406

Every day I want to kill myself but have a feeling that I'm here for a reason, I have too much empathy for the world and people make me sick.

>> No.2301409

>Fiction is not literature
>Art is irrelevant and degenerate
>Women shouldn't be allowed to get a higher education
>Religion is for the mentally retarded

>> No.2301411

>>2301393
I meant it tastes disgusting.

>> No.2301419

>>2301401
It's an ironic quote about how relationships make you miserable. And so I must say
>asinine
No U, good sir.

>> No.2301421

>>2301419

Oh. Hah.

I noticed it but it would take too much effort to delete the post and repost and all that just because of that.

>> No.2301422

Art is just one big circlejerk troll on the populace by self appointed experts telling everyone else what they should and shouldn't like. It should be paid scant attention and certainly not receive taxpayer money.

>> No.2301424

women aren't very good at being themselves and even the cutest of innocent girls are highly manipulative, they don't even realise it.

>> No.2301429

- Supporting the meat and dairy industry is wrong. A meat eater wouldn't want their family or friends raped, their children stolen from them, used, abused/tortured then murdered. You wouldn't want that to happen to you, if it were happening you would be outraged and do anything you could to stop it. Yet it's ok for it to happen to other animals and they are fine with supporting it because it tastes sooo good(Lentil burgers taste better).
-Raw fruit and vegetables ALOT of it, is the best diet. It is expensive but it would quickly become cheap if everyone did it. It takes a lot less farmland to grow fruit and vegetables.

>> No.2301435

If a white women is pregnant with a black baby she should not be allowed to abort for any reason, because it is an act of race hate.

>> No.2301446

>Gay people are either psychologically or genetically disordered/diseased
It's all based on preference and lust.
We as a species are still young and undeveloped.
Cavemen found it insanely difficult to procreate in that they'd only come across one suitable female for themselves in what could be their entire lifetime.
This is why we get addictions to pornography. We have to take what we can get.
When someone is sexually frustrated the lines between a&b diminish as the need for sexual and mental reciprocation heightens. Binary orientation was never popular up until catholic establishment, for example Claudius being Hetero and not Bi was considered strange.

>I believe going clubs reduces people to apes
That's the point. Dionysian pleasure is incredibly healthy when kept in moderation with Apollonesian pleasures. Not too much not too little.
You just seem bitter though.

>I believe women are on average physically and mentally inferior (exceptions are rare)
The nervous system is developed before sex is determined. It is developed seperately with only some parts retuned to sexual parts and sensory organs.
Women are more in tune with their emotions however, this clouds there judgement and makes them rely on bias. Men don't have a spectrum of effects when it come to testosterone so their minds are clear on a huge variety of subjects and tasks.

>I think a virginity is something sacred (male or female)
The first time is always special, I admit that. We should take care in this hypersexual age not to abstain and indulge ourselves too much in sex.

>> No.2301448

Any creative piece of work has to, fundamentally, be both entertaining and accessible. If it can be informative, moving and insightful on top of that then it is amazing but if it fails to fulfill those two piece of criteria then it is flawed.

>> No.2301453

>>2301448
thats nice and I'm stealing it

>> No.2301456

>>2301398
you'd lose both fights. people tend to fight back when attack and seeing as you're on 4chan, you don't have the strength to take on even the smallest of twinks.

>> No.2301461

>>2301398
>I reserve the right to beat you off
FTFY

>> No.2301472

>>2301335

Controversial principles and beliefs I hold:
>This should be a green text thread.
>It has nothing to do with literature.
>OP is a fag

>> No.2301473

>>2301448

>Any creative piece of work has to, fundamentally, be both entertaining and accessible

Oh so wrong! Artists create to express themselves in spite of expectations, not because of them.
Creativity also happens to be highly subjective, nobody can set the bar for what is deemed 'entertaining' and 'accessible'.

>> No.2301474

A false sense of entitlement and a misunderstanding of justice are the biggest self-induced problems of man.

George Carlin was pandering, if only he could have said what he was really thinking...

Rivers Cuomo is God.

>> No.2301478

My grandmother always told me that being poor is no excuse for being dirty. But if you tell someone who is poor to have some sense of decency and not completely trash their own neighborhoods (and then turn around and blame others for it), people want to jump down your throat and say it's not their fault.

>> No.2301480

>>2301474
>Rivers Cuomo is God.

It's been 16 years since he's written anything good. I think that automatically disqualifies him from being god.

>> No.2301487

>>2301473

While they may do it to express themselves I think said expression is pointless unless it entertains and is accessible.

By entertain I include sorrow, joy, exhilitarition, anger, guilt, fear and all other emotions a piece of work can provoke.

I have seen films and stories with beautiful prose or cinematography but they are nothing more than the filmmaker's own self-masturbation. I believe that an author or filmmaker is demanding their reader's time and attention and so you have a duty not to waste it.

Another belief I hold:
-narrative is the integral part of any creative work including, music, art, film and literature

>> No.2301488

>>2301478
>My grandmother always told me that being poor is no excuse for being dirty.
Yes! There can be solemn dignity in poverty, why do so many people not get this?

>> No.2301495

>>2301480
>>2301480
It's only been like 9 years since he wrote something "good".

Weezer's next album will be Blue/Pinkerton tier.

That statement works quite well in this thread...haha.

>> No.2301501

>>2301429

>-Raw fruit and vegetables ALOT of it, is the best diet.

That's not true. Over time, a diet consisting of mostly raw fruit, vegetables, and nuts will wear down your teeth pretty substantially. It's pretty bad for you. Just cook it.

>> No.2301503

>>2301495
Pinkerton came out in 1996, bro. That's 16 years ago.

>> No.2301505

>>2301503
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5OskTKjyxk

Music and lyrics by Rivers Cuomo.

>> No.2301509

>>2301505
I'm beginning to hate you.

>> No.2301515

>>2301382


>Atheism is not an answer to the existential question. It's also not a subscription to social Darwinism.

no thats fucking ignorant sir, you cannot deny a God and then go on to deny the fact that you are a biological being whose only primary meaning is to reproduce.
That's some straight up sitting on the fence bullshit. It's disgustingly ignorant and you should be shot.

>> No.2301518

>>2301515
Misuse of the word ignorant?

Did I suddenly wind up in the inner-city of 4chan?

>> No.2301521

I believe 9/11 was an inside job.

I also believe foreign policy does not change when presidents are elected. Clinto = Bush = Obama

I also believe Romney will be the Rep candidate, whether Republicans want him or not.

I also believe oil is running out and America is playing something called "Grand Chessboard", surrounding Iran on purpose.

>> No.2301522

>>2301429

Why do people think fruit and vegetables are expensive? Okay, some are expensive. If you want to get mango off season you are going to be paying a lot. But if you go to a market, or basically anywhere that isn't a supermarket, you can get vegetables cheap.

People genuinely believe that eating unhealthily is cheaper than eating healthily. I can't understand it. I saw some show where a family was suggesting it was cheaper to get 4 meals from McDonald's than to make the food themselves.

Meat is usually by far the most expensive part of any meal, the same is true for other animal products like honey and dairy. I generally eat a vegetarian diet just because I can't afford meat and I don't need it.

>> No.2301523

ITT We act like >>>/pol/

>> No.2301524

>>2301518

Are you suggesting there is a biological reason for homosexuality?

>> No.2301525

>-I think a virginity is something sacred (male or female)

ITT virgin

>> No.2301527

>>2301521

I actually think foreign policy is one of the few areas where Obama has been successful. He's been far more diplomatic and has dropped the whole 'war on terror' jargon which did no good. I agree with you on Romney though.

>> No.2301529

>>2301522

>I saw some show where a family was suggesting it was cheaper to get 4 meals from McDonald's than to make the food themselves.

That's largely an issue of time. Someone working two full time jobs and raising children is going to find it difficult to ration out the time to drive to a farmer's market, hunt for the cheap things, take it home, and prepare it. In capitalist society, time is money too, and eating healthy can take up a good deal more of it than just going to McDonalds.

>> No.2301532

>>2301529


>two full time jobs

>> No.2301536

horse ebooks is proof that there is literally no shit a hipster will not eat if you sell it right

>> No.2301538

>>2301536

don't speak of the horse that way (he can hear us)

>> No.2301541

>>2301538

it's fucking garbage for trendster twitter scum and goons

i hope everybody who followed that fucking bot gets sent to a chinese internment/reeducation camp when they finally take over

>> No.2301542

OH OP. YOU``RE SUCH A LOSER

>> No.2301548

>>2301480
>It's been 16 years since he's written anything good. I think that automatically disqualifies him from being god.
>implying not writing anything good isn't godly.

>> No.2301553

-Gay people are either psychologically or genetically disordered/diseased
I have no idea.

-I'll never breed with a girl who isn't white
I will not either.


-I believe going clubs reduces people to apes
Agree.

-I believe women are on average physically and mentally inferior (exceptions are rare)
On average? Yes.

-I think a virginity is something sacred (male or female)
I agree. I would like my future wife not to have drowned 1000 different dicks before we meet.

>> No.2301555

>>2301553
>-I think a virginity is something sacred (male or female)
>I agree. I would like my future wife not to have drowned 1000 different dicks before we meet.
But she would be a goddess in the boudoir.

>> No.2301557

>>2301553
>I agree. I would like my future wife not to have drowned 1000 different dicks before we meet.

That was supposed to be directed at someone's comment about promiscuity.

>> No.2301574

>>2301555
Nice trips.

>But she would be a goddess in the boudoir.
But she would most likely be diseased.

>> No.2301577

>>2301553
>I think a virginity is something sacred (male or female)
>I agree. I would like my future wife not to have drowned 1000 different dicks before we meet.

She wouldn't like it if you fucked 1000 different pussys before you two met.

Society is weird.

>> No.2301579

>>2301577

I would hope not.

>> No.2301580

>>2301574
So really, the issue is not virginity but lack of venereal disease.

>> No.2301583
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2301583

oh and as long as im dropping Real Fucking Shit

- hipster/trendster culture and bigotry and shittiness and capitalism have always gone hand in hand; gavin mcinnes is a creepy rapey racist

- i hope all of the liberal-chic cocksuckers who rally against the Big Three (HoMiRa) but display bigotry in other areas (siding with Israel on the conflict, being against alt. religions/japanese/non-neurotypicals/kinksters/hippies/nerds/etc) are literally eaten alive by gay black people

- if you don't think that christianity is being made "trendy" so as to sell it, you're a fucking moron

- i am actually glad the teaparty/koch/libs are co-opting hipsters, they deserve each other

- nerd culture and 'gay culture' are not attached at the wrists and ankles but they are not that far apart, either

- corollary to the above: shitty hipster nerd-haters on homos: "You can be gay as long as you're not embarrassing about it"

- irony is never having to take responsibility for a single word that comes out of your dumb brooklyn face, go die

lol you know im right though

>> No.2301587

>>2301580
No, it's the former. Disease was just something that entered my head upon the thought of a women who has fucked 1000 different men.

>> No.2301588

>>2301583
...who, exactly, do you think hipsters are?
because this shit is hilarious

>> No.2301590

>>2301588
don't pay attention to him, hes spreading IDF propaganda

>> No.2301593

>>2301529

>That's largely an issue of time. Someone working two full time jobs and raising children is going to find it difficult to ration out the time to drive to a farmer's market, hunt for the cheap things, take it home, and prepare it. In capitalist society, time is money too, and eating healthy can take up a good deal more of it than just going to McDonalds.

You don't have to go to a farmer's market. You can go to any fruit and vegetable shop and the majority of supermarkets sell cheapish produce, the only problem is you have to buy them in bulk (which is fine if you cook up large portions or you have a family).

No person has too little time to eat healthy and it will nearly always work out cheaper.

>> No.2301601

-all governments are corrupt, propagandistic, manipulativbe and lying, except maybe for the governments of small european countries like belgium.
-most people are cattle living in the world invented for them by politicians, businessmen, marketologists, ad makers, etc.
-there are people and animals being killed, raped, mutilated, abused in your city right now.
-there were no principal changes in political and economical system of the western world since late middle ages.
-there are differences between human races, and I'm inclined to believe that it extends beyond the skin color and skeletal structure.
-there are difference between genders, again, there's more to them than some humans havin a penis and others having a vagina. Men differ from women.
-all that doesn't mean the world is a bad place. it's actually quite awesome.

>> No.2301609

>>2301593

>No person has too little time to eat healthy

Then you're either arguing that the majority of the poor populace are too lazy, or too stupid to do it. Because they certainly don't, and if it's not an issue of time or money, what would it be?

>> No.2301611

>>2301609
too stupid, definately.

>> No.2301615

>>2301593

Also the whole "time is money" thing is bullshit. Yeah there is truth in the concept but people misunderstand it.

Not all the time in your life is time that is going to be spent making money. You already put time aside to buy groceries and cook food. There is no way that eating out, and eating a full meal, will end up being cheaper than buying your own food (unless you buy gourmet food).

>> No.2301619

>>2301615
Time is money is just a way of saying "Externalities like time have real value".

>> No.2301621

>>2301615

>Not all the time in your life is time that is going to be spent making money.

But it's time that could be spent making money.

>> No.2301623

>>2301619

No it's like saying we trade our time for money, and then money for menial things

time= menial things dur

>> No.2301624

>>2301588

everything that calls you out is hilarious because that means you can dismiss it

definition of a hipster: anyone who pulls cowardly shit like you just did. odds you are one of those people who start talking about how bored you are when someone hands you your ass in an argument: 99.9999999999%

>> No.2301626

- affirmative action is racist(to minorities as well)
- abortion should only be allowed in the case of rape or complications
- social contract is bullshit
- traditional and conservative ideologies are obsolete
- interracial relationships should be more frequent
- giving food to Africa is wrong because it only makes their situation worse in the long run
- Europe deserves to be engulfed by immigrants
- leftists are just as racists as right-wingers
- women who refuse to shave are more attractive than those who shave
- welfare programs should be terminated
- racial preservation isn't a right
- only cannabis and certain psychedelics should be legalized
- marriage should be abolished

>> No.2301627

>>2301623
You can't trade time for money if they're fungible.

But seriously, time is money is describing more what losing time can cost, not so much what spending time can gain. I've never heard anyone use the latter.

>> No.2301630

>>2301609

>Then you're either arguing that the majority of the poor populace are too lazy, or too stupid to do it. Because they certainly don't, and if it's not an issue of time or money, what would it be?

Stupid? Perhaps. In this thread alone I have seen the claim that vegetables are expensive but the reality is that processed vegetables, like frozen vegetables, are just about the cheapest food you can buy and even fresh fruit can be gotten cheaply.

I think it is a combination of natural inclinations, laziness and a lack of education. People want things high in fat and sugar because such things are rare for humans in a natural state so we want as much as we can get. It is also easier to make unhealthy tasty food (frying up steal) than tasty healthy food.

Then education. Sure we are taught at school that green is healthy and sugar is bad but they don't teach how simple it is to actually make tasty healthy food and I find it quite inexplicable that people think vegetarian lasagne would cost more than regular lasagne.

>> No.2301637

>>2301529
>>2301593
>>2301609
>>2301630
The issue is the cost of the transaction, or at least the uncertainty of the cost of the transaction, including in terms of time, and uncertainty of the payout. It's all well and good claiming one lifestyle is better than another, but you need to look at the bigger picture and why a certain lifestyle exists.

>> No.2301643

- I believe normal does not exist outside of statistics, you can gat info on what is a normal thing, but which individual particles fits the criteria will depend on where you draw the line, if you want full normal, everything is out. We should never succumb to please the average joe or the majority, thinking that's what we all should be pleased with.

- I think that finding something to be wrong or bad does not excuse a proihibition or even politics to avoid it, rather making both parts fully recognizing the clashing opinions and, with this awareness, allow the individual to position himself more honestly. This being valid solely for personal matters, where no other part is affected directly.

- I think that uncomfortable words should be pursued. That if you stay in your comfort zone in language, you become a machine, you become victim of propaganda "war on terror", "global warming", "climate change", "freedom", "justice", "peace", "love", ___-ist words, these are the evil words, the ones that fool people, that misguide them, that create strawmen arguments. "Fuck", "pussy", "cock", "ass", these are honest words and can't do no harm.

- I think humor is seen by people as good arguments and that is horrible. Humor is humor, it may have a good point or not, but that's two independent thing.

>> No.2301644

>>2301643 cont

- We should treat our children more sincerely. We have two sides here, one tries to protect the kids from everything, the other liberates them to do anything and I think the balance is off for quite a while, at some points protecting them way too much, in others just giving children too many rights.

- There should be poetry, we should not be afraid to act against function when it improves our landscape, our environment. (But the second item is still up, this "should" here is to be taken personally only)

- "How to" and top ten lists are killing people's minds. Including lists like this one.

- To have a clear position is not about being 100% sure, in fact, being 100% sure is a sign of alienation and that position appears as more blurry than the one defended by a guy with 70% certainty.

- Art cannot be taught. Technique, yes, history, yes, but artistic values cannot be taught.

>> No.2301646

>>2301627

That's because it's a horrible term used by corporate bigwigs obsessed by money

>> No.2301649

>>2301643

>- I believe normal does not exist outside of statistics, you can gat info on what is a normal thing, but which individual particles fits the criteria will depend on where you draw the line, if you want full normal, everything is out. We should never succumb to please the average joe or the majority, thinking that's what we all should be pleased with.

This is a perfectly "normal" belief.

>> No.2301652

>>2301646
True. The same arseholes that lead to coining terms like "externalities" and "bottom-line".

>> No.2301653
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Ok my turn:

I believe that we've been declining as a civilization since probably the turn of the last century (1900's).

Most of what we call "culture" today is just people acting like animals. Most of it will be lost when SHTF, as opposed to some of the lit that was produced 200 years ago.

We've lost our ability to admit that truth exists. No one will say that if X is true, you should stop believing Y because Y is wrong. We don't ague policy based on whether the results would work, but based on how you feel about it.

We've lost most sense of personal responsibility. No one will say anything about a person's bad behavior, accept to tell them that they need "treatment". They aren't drunks, they're "alcoholics" they aren't lazy, they're "ADD", and they aren't druggies, they're addicts. Without that social stigma, most people won't ever even try to change -- that's why we have peer pressure. Removing the moral component to bad behavior makes it permissable, even desirable.

People who abuse the system should have no say in how that system is run. If you're taking welfare, you don't vote.

String Theory isn't even a hypothesis. It's untestable, and frankly since it predicts everything, it's not scientific.

Psychology and Psychiatry are psuedoscience.

Winning is not evil.

Access to welfare promotes socially bad behavior such as single motherhood, drug use, alcoholism, and sloth.

>> No.2301654

more Real Shit
- if you paid real USD money to join any communication channel on the internet and THEN try to talk about classism/poverty/etc, you are utterly full of shit and should be mocked roundly

- i have actually considered helping shitty people coopt popular memes/terms like "first world problems" et al because i hate them so much

- jimmy carter wasnt that bad, fuck your ass

- gen Y (1979-1985) is fucking grotesque and irredeemable and the only good thing they have done is to give the next gen something to rebel against

- there is no such thing as ironic racism, there is no such thing as joking bigotry, own the shit you say or shut the fuck up

>> No.2301658

everyone who uses 4chan should be slowly tortured until they eventually expire.

>> No.2301659

>>2301637

>The issue is the cost of the transaction, or at least the uncertainty of the cost of the transaction, including in terms of time, and uncertainty of the payout.

What? I'm not sure that sentence makes much sense. The issue of buying fresh vegetables (over buying lots of meat and junk food) is that people are uncertain of the payout and the time involved in purchasing fresh vegetables? You've clearly over complicated a simple issue.

>It's all well and good claiming one lifestyle is better than another, but you need to look at the bigger picture and why a certain lifestyle exists.

I understand that many inner city folks have trouble getting fresh vegetables because they struggle to get out to supermarkets and the smaller ones they can walk to don't stock healthy food. But there is no question that if they could get healthy food there are loads of benefits and they could save a lot of money.

>> No.2301660

>>2301583
- affirmative action is racist(to minorities as well)
No, just whites and asians.

- abortion should only be allowed in the case of rape or complications
I agree.

- traditional and conservative ideologies are obsolete
Grow up, you little faggot. These now "obsolete" ideologies are what made the countries every shitskin on this earth is flocking to.
>Hurr durr look at me! I'm so progressive!111 I hang out with brown people and smoke weed all day 42011111!!!

- interracial relationships should be more frequent
Multiculturalism and miscegenation is divisive.

- giving food to Africa is wrong because it only makes their situation worse in the long run
I agree.

- Europe deserves to be engulfed by immigrants
"Deserves"

You're an idiot.
- leftists are just as racists as right-wingers
Yes, they are.


- women who refuse to shave are more attractive than those who shave
- welfare programs should be terminated
- racial preservation isn't a right
- only cannabis and certain psychedelics should be legalized
- marriage should be abolished

Fuck, It's a troll.


I'm going to bed.

>> No.2301662

LITERATURE IS INHERENTLY FUCKING CLASSIST

>> No.2301664

>>2301660

lol@ you replying to me instead of >>2301626

im not going to assume malice though

>> No.2301671

>>2301659
>I'm not sure that sentence makes much sense.
I mean transaction cost, I missed how ambiguous "cost of the transaction" is. So not the price of the veg, but actually going out, finding out where to buy the veg that's both good quality and cheap, how much quantity you can realistically handle, learning how to then process this into a meal etc. etc. are all non monetary costs, but are nevertheless real costs. I imagine for some people it's quite a drastic change, and to even consider adding more stress to their lives is unthinkable. You might think it's overcomplicated, but the problem is it IS complicated.

>> No.2301672

>>2301664
Yes, sorry.

That was for this faggot: >>2301626

>> No.2301682

>>2301671

Have you ever been to a supermarket? The first bit you usually walk into is the fruit and vegetable section (which is going to be cheapish and okay quality). I know I mentioned farmer's markets in the beginning but that was just because you can get really really cheap vegetables there. If you purchase in season vegetables (and you can tell that just by the price of the vegetables) at a supermarket then it is easily affordable.

If someone finds the risk of buying too many carrots too stressful then they have bigger issues than not eating vegetables.

The only real point you've raised is someone not knowing how to incorporate vegetable into their diet. For some impoverished people that only eat junk food they will struggle. For the average middle class American. Not so difficult and I simply can't believe they've become an adult without having eaten vegetable.

>> No.2301686

>>2301682
You know supermarkets don't cost the same everywhere, right? I think you're fallen victim to a shopper's simulacrum.

>> No.2301691

It is a natural thing in "progress" to let things bigger than you take control. It's the same thing that made cells group and now we are complex animals, we don't see a human cell as alive. The "most human" moment of all was when we were not "progressing" as our modern society sees. Native communities, tribes, small societies, ancient civilizations with litle record. Those were the peak of mankind. From then on, as politics became more complex, the cities began to take control and then entire countries, and now we are heading to a global community that will opress any anomaly. The blood cell is certain of its role, of its job, it takes the oxygen from here to there and it is happy in the sense that it achieved the realization of its function in the best possible way. We are going to be like that, the more tools we have, the more freedom we get, the more accurate science becomes, the more precise is medicine, the gears are in perfect place and we won't stop spinning. We are no longer human, we are something else, there is no good or bad here, just the natural course of achieving an uniform life.

>> No.2301693

>>2301691

But that opens you up to catastrophic failure

If a system needs more control, that means it's weak.

>> No.2301697

-I believe homosexuality is a choice (I am in no way however, against that choice).

-I believe voting (in a democracy) is immoral.

-I am firmly against euthanasia (Yes that's very controversial here in the Netherlands).

-Deep & Edgy is a lot more intelligent, or at least thought about the things he used to discuss on /lit/ a lot more than the ones he discusses with. He usually wins his arguments.

>> No.2301698

>>2301693
Then what is your answer to the tragedy of the commons if not regulation?

>> No.2301700

>>2301686

You mean the food they sell in supermarkets? Or the actual purchase of the supermarket? I'm not really sure of the point you are making.

Obviously I realise if you go to Trader Joe's in the Middle of LA it is going to cost more than if you to to Aldi in some smaller city or town. But so what? Frozen french fries cost the same as frozen carrots and potatoes. I think you are the one who is unaware of the difference in prices. I've shopped for fresh fruit in inner city Detroit and I've shopped for fresh fruit in the lofty suburbs of Chicago. I've eaten fruit from food banks and out of bin in New York and I spent most of my childhood living in a small village.

I understand many people are ignorant of the fact nutrition can be gotten for the same price as junk food but so what?

>> No.2301704

>>2301660


>No, just whites and asians.

Everyone actually. AA still discriminates by judging the individual by their ethnicity, rather than whatever qualified skills they actually hold. AA is bad for minorities because it helps to delegitimize whatever efforts they've actually made to progress, because AA's focus is on ethnicity, not accomplishment.


>Grow up, you little faggot.
Smell the irony here, frendo?

>These now "obsolete" ideologies are what made the countries every shitskin on this earth is flocking to.
Then one could imply that these ideologies are malevolent for these counties in question.


>Multiculturalism and miscegenation is divisive.
There are many divisive relationships out there. To give into divisiveness is cowardice, although I'd say assimilation has less consequences than multiculturalism. I just like miscegenation for the sheer hostility it creates.


>"Deserves"
Should have be capable of fighting off Christianity and Zionism. Europe fucked up on its own, and now it's paying the price. Yeah, it's unfortunate, but mistakes will lead to consequences.

>> No.2301707

>>2301693
What exactly open us up to catastrophic failure? I don't get what you mean.

>> No.2301709

>>2301700
If you go to a Tesco in London and then go to another Tesco a couple of roads away, you can find immense differences in stock and the pricing of fungible items. Same for any supermarket in any large city. The idea that "there are always cheap, quality vegetables in any given supermarket" is one based on a false reality.

>> No.2301710

>>2301704

It is also ekonomikaly a bad idea, sins thees minority groups (blaks, hispaniks) under-perform (lower IQ) kompared to wite/asian/jew, so the averaj drops. Welkom to revers-rasism, it is aktualy mor stupid than the old rasism.

>> No.2301716

>>2301698

That depends on which commons you want to avert tragedy in. There's no one solution that fits them all.

>>2301707

The more a system relies on the correct function of all of its parts (and thus the more control it needs), the more risk it opens itself up to in the form of failure of these parts.

>> No.2301727

>>2301716
>That depends on which commons you want to avert tragedy in. There's no one solution that fits them all.
So you don't have a clue. Copout.

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>virginity
>sacred

How can you logically argue for this?

>> No.2301733

>>2301709

Well I know you are full of shit. It's difficult to argue with Americans because it is different there. In Detroit you won't find a green grocer down the street and you aren't a short bus ride away from a market. In London you do not have that excuse. If a person in London claims they can't get either fresh or frozen vegetables cheaper than they can get meat they are fucking liars or ignorant.

I have yet to go to a large supermarket that did not did not at least stock frozen peas and cheap tinned baked beans at the very least. Or even one that didn't stock vegetables. I live in Sheffield. There are 4 stores near me. One sells peppers for 10p each and the other three sell them at 1 pound for three. I know the prices vary but that isn't a valid excuse for most people.

I lived in Croydon for a small amount of time and I didn't struggle to get fresh vegetables. In London you have the luxury that you can get free vegetables if you can be bothered putting in effort.

You guys just look foolish trying to defend a bogus claim.

>> No.2301740

>>2301733
where can i get free vegetables in london?

>> No.2301741

>>2301733
>oop north
>doesn't realize he lives in cheapsville
Of course you think everything's affordable.
Also
>implying Croydon is London
Get a clue.

>> No.2301742

>>2301429
>It is expensive but it would quickly become cheap if everyone did it
Yeah because when the demand goes up, the price goes down.

Didn't you even have economics in high school?

>> No.2301748

>>2301742
That's only for a limited resource.

>> No.2301753

>Gay people are diseased
>Black people are inferior
>Clubs turn people into apes
>Women are inferior
>IM A VIRGIN BUT IM OKAY WITH THAT
>Paraphrase: I SPEAK THE TRUTH

OP is a huge faggot

>> No.2301754

>>2301748
>implying anything but sun-wind-water etc. is not a limited resource
For example, there aren't that many soy-beans, new fields have to be planted all the time. Making it a limited resource.

>> No.2301756

>>2301716
>The more a system relies on the correct function of all of its parts (and thus the more control it needs), the more risk it opens itself up to in the form of failure of these parts.

It's not much about failure or victory. The system is constantly trying to fix itself, so the problems are getting smaller, but more severe. When we start living up to 200 years old, the death of a 50 year old man in a car accident will be seen as a teenager dying out. The more choices, the more we regret our choice. This is the real evil. The "system" survives on its own, much like you survive on your own without having to think to breath or pump your heart, so you can now worry with other things, whether you'll be hit by a car or get ill, etc.

>> No.2301757

>>2301740

It's not just London, all big cities do this stuff, it's just that it is relatively easier in London. There are lots of foodbanks and similar organisations that will literally give you free food. On top of this because London is big enough the freegan groups are active and easy to meet up with.

I realise most people think they are above this shit. But it is EASY to get free vegetables because those stores need to chuck lots of edible food.

>> No.2301761

>>2301741

Do you even have a point? You don't, do you? I've said twice in quiet specific detail about how prices vary according to location. The price of vegetables in London is OBVIOUSLY more expensive but they are still not more expensive than meat. There is no way you are in this dense. In London you have the luxury of being able to go to loads of markets, being able to get a massive variety of different vegetable at more affordable prices and you can go to different supermarkets. You claim that the prices of vegetables only 3 miles away are cheaper. Oh poor you! How will you solve this problem.

>> No.2301763

>>2301754
Actually, all those things are limited. Even a truly renewable resource, like the sun (for all intents and purposes) is limited over a given period of time.

Crops are renewable in that we could continue to grow the same crops for the forseeable future. There's also no reason why the land used for the farming of livestock would not be (mostly) turned over to the growing of crops, and no reason that the supply of the resource won't grow and why the producer wouldn't benefit from economies of scale.

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2301764

>nobody understands "it" except myself and a few other notable geniuses.

>most people are sheep except myself and a few other notable geniuses

>no one values the truth like i do

>other political ideologies different than mine want to ruin "the system."

>religious viewpoints different than my own are naive as fuck

>people who can understand two opposing viewpoints are scared to have one of their own hurrr

>the kind of information people NEED to make an informed political decision won't be declassified until fifty years from now.

>this thread is one of the most stupid i've seen on /lit/. SERRRRSLY.

>> No.2301776

Straight men are disgusted by dicks because they are repressed by society and liking dicks is considered a sign of weakness, a flaw. Dicks are objectively nice, no discussion.

>> No.2301789

post moar gay yiff and through miscegenation with dragons destroy not only the white man but also his legacy. your kids won't be aryan, they'll have fucking scales

>> No.2301790

all police are scum (but my bor's a cop bro / dad' buddy) bad news, they are all either covering for corruption, corrupt, or completely useless and only around to nickle and dime you
philosophy is absolutely pointless in all it's forms
writing poetry only is a sign of being socially inept
white american / uk women are disgusting and I would never ever consider having sex with one of those animals

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2301808

>/lit/ the most enlightened and least pretentious of all the boards.

>> No.2301811

>>2301808
>/lit/-the most intelligent board

>> No.2301824

>>2301811

your kids will have scales and yellow slit pupils and the blond-haired blue-eyed model of purity and beauty will be replaced by blackest fucking anarchy

>> No.2302080

>>2301824
That's fine, I plan on beating them anyway.

>> No.2302112

"In the depths of my heart I can’t help being convinced that my dear fellow-men, with a few exceptions, are worthless."
`Sigmund Freud


>>2301654
>gen Y
>(1979-1985)

Those years are generally regarded as the later years of generation x. But I agree, earlier Gen X'ers repulse me and I only half-jokingly talk about euthanizing segments of the boomers.

>> No.2302119

>>2302112
You should read Nietzsche and adopt a beret.

>> No.2302140

>>2302119
I despise extraneous headgear, which fact is compounded with the other that is simply I'm not really a "hat" guy.

>> No.2302154

-Communism is too vague of a goal and most communists have no idea what their ideal society would look like
-Most people (self-included) are living immorally, they don't work to change society for the better as they should
-all ideologies are wrong
-what the opposing side advocates is never the real issue, it's all their annoying habits and personal failings that make people hate them

>> No.2302155

>>2302112
Explain why you hate these people.

I'm curious.

>> No.2302156

I don't drink or use drugs.
It strikes me as a poor decision.

>> No.2302165

>>2302156

why do you post

>> No.2302166

I believe I'm better than most people, in spite of the fact that I am almost 25 years old, a NEET and living with my parents.

>> No.2302174

>>2302155
Gen X'ers are essentially the progenitors of the current self-absorption which is no longer the romanticized slackerism of their days but complete and total tunnel vision. Baby boomers generally have a very inflated sense of self, the kind of suicidal optimism which elects Reagan and favors adventurism over realism. Though they're funny when they're accidentally racist.

>> No.2302181

>>2302174
>Baby boomers generally have a very inflated sense of self
The irony, the irony...

>> No.2302187

>>2302181
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

>> No.2302195 [DELETED] 

>>2302187
Yeah, I know the def of irony. Yes, I realize I'm using it as it's commonly used. No, I didn't follow your link.

>> No.2302197

>>2302181
And thus it's impossible to talk about. Aw well.

>> No.2302198

>>2302187
Using a word to mean something opposite to its literal intention. No, I didn't follow your link.

>> No.2302200

>I believe going clubs reduces people to apes
Sounds like you're butthurt over not having the confidence to go to clubs.
>I believe women are on average physically and mentally inferior
Physically, yes. Mentally, no.

>> No.2302202

>>2302197
Ah, the irony.

>> No.2302211

>>2302200
Why do you project your insecurities on to that guy? Just because he doesn't like clubs, it doesn't mean he's as socially awkward as you are.

>> No.2302220

there are no rights, and nothing is justified

>> No.2302226

smooky mioxtape was the best album of 2011

>> No.2302248

>>2302211
>hurr
OP makes a sweeping generalization without exception. Only buttmad people do that.

>> No.2302250

>altruism exists
>art is sacred, as is art criticism
>The Beatles are NOT overrated; they are the greatest pop music act of all time and are underrated if anything
>everyone is a little bit gay
>fundamentalist atheists are ignorant and arrogant
>if you don't vote, you're not allowed to complain about politics
>monogamy is overrated, but not implausible
>most people who self-identify as "religious" have never had a notably spiritual experience in their life
>the "powers that be" are actively trying to destroy specific aspects of human culture in order to turn a profit
>psychotic experiences can have decipherable meaning
>universities ought to have lower acceptance rates
>women are currently the inferior sex/gender, but this can be corrected

>> No.2302258

>>2302080

you heard it here first

those who oppose the Grand Project support child abuse

spread it far and wide

>> No.2302278

>>2301394

>>>they don't fall in line with the theory of evolution

Ummm. Actually homosexuality does fall in line with ecology and evolution. When a particular species saturates an ecosystem to the detriment of others, usually some kind of mechanism controls the growth of their population (i.e. homosexuality, or suicide like lemmings)

Most of the people arguing homosexuality is biologically illogical are probably not biologists.

>> No.2302292

sage

>> No.2302298

>>2302278
I guess suicidal and socially awkward virgins are also part of the evolutionary population control mechanism.

>> No.2302313

>>2302298

yes

>> No.2302314

>>2302250
Everything except
>the "powers that be" are actively trying to destroy specific aspects of human culture in order to turn a profit
Which strikes me as a bit aluminum-foil-hatty.
>psychotic experiences can have decipherable meaning
^This one I don't really think I get what you're talking about.

>> No.2302319

>>2302278

>to the detriment of others

If that were the case, I'd expect a hell of a lot more gay people in overpopulated, developing countries, and very, very few in developed countries (where population growth is more stagnant, and there is no real 'shortage' of any resource).

>> No.2302325

>>2302319

i'm sure /sci/ would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter

>> No.2302329

>>2302325

No thanks.

>> No.2302334

>>2302333

(and I politely declined)

>> No.2302333

>>2302329

(i was politely telling you to get out)

>> No.2302336

>>2302298
>socially awkward virgins are also part of the evolutionary population control mechanism.
My life has meaning? Sweet.

>> No.2302347

I think overpopulation is the greatest threat to society at large and my comfort in particular
I think funding for disease research should be slowed for a decade in order to cull the population
I firmly believe in 'playing God' but think we should stop when it fucks with the planets natural population control mechanisms
I think religion is dying a protracted death, helped along by the 'enemy' being religious fanatics as opposed to back in the day when we were against godless commies, which required faith to be a key part of patriotism
Australia is the worst place in the world. I have been to Rwanda.
The Great Gatsby was merely okay.
Shoot 'Em Up is the worst movie ever made
Malick strayed into wanky territory with Tree of Life
I have no respect for bullies, nor do I have any respect for those who allow themselves to be bullied

>> No.2302352

>>2302319

Dude, have you been anywhere except for your cozy little fucking home?

This developed/underdeveloped paradigm is so 1960s.

China and Brazil and India are cutting edge now, ya heard?

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>>2302352

India's slums disagree with you..

And so does the rampant rural poverty in China..

>> No.2302366

>>2302356

And I'm guessing you've never been to the slums of Detroit or Attawaspikat...

>> No.2302368

>>2301373
WE ARE THE SAME

>> No.2302369

>>2302366

>blacks

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>>2301341
>There isn't ever an objective truth
I'm sorry, but aren't you holding that as an objective truth?

>> No.2302377

>>2301362
I liked how he picked Hindus.
FUCKING HINDUS!?

>> No.2302380

>>2302376
He is (with all of its stupid implications).

>> No.2302407

>>2302258

When the Revolution comes, he will be made a small, hairy, frightened mammalian thing, ignorant of the majesty of wings and scales and fire, a pavid vermin

>> No.2302412

/lit/ - /r9k/

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>>2302412

>> No.2302426

people shouldn't use words that they cannot define, e.g. the word hipster

>> No.2302428

>>2302426

DEFINITION OF HIPSTER

One who holds fashionability above all other qualities, for all things.

>> No.2302436

>not understanding that reading widely turns you into a misogynist

>2012

>> No.2302440

>>2302436

Please elaborate on that point with as little green text as possible.

>> No.2302451

>>2302436

dumb get out

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>>2302440
>read widely through literature spanning cultures and times, the bulk of it written by men who were open and sincere in their misogyny
>come to share their convictions after exploring the female mind

>> No.2302473

>>2302457

I would pay no more than $5 for your magic device that delves into people's minds.

>> No.2302474

>>2302440
I'm not the guy who said it and I'm not necessairly a misogynist, but one could argue that literature written by females is inferior and thus an indication that women are culturally/intellectually inferior.

>> No.2302478

>>2302474

But that's a really bad argument and you should know that.

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>>2302474

if you're a mouthbreathing dweeb, sure

>> No.2302485

>I believe the Holocaust was vastly misrepresented and that the victors write the history books; therefore propagating the Jewish, Zionist agenda in the form of over blowing said atrocities in order to form Israel and keep Western opinion in their favor.

>I believe Homosexuals have every absolute right to get married but there are many more 'causes' that affect more people in more critical ways that should outweigh the right to get married.

>Being around black people makes me nervous because they have a different culture than mine and I haven't been exposed to them in many first hand encounters.

>I believe sterilization should be mandatory for people with a history of having/perpetrating child abuse as it creates more of the same for their children.

I removed my trip to post this.

>> No.2302487

>>2302478
I recognize that. I was just trying to provide some form of logic, albeit, shitty logic.

>> No.2302489

-white women are only good for sex
-women of any other race, cleaning

>> No.2302491

I actually think this one is pretty logical, but I get infuriated when black people get mad when a white person genuinely mistakes them for someone else.

>> No.2302498

>>2301375
black culture is primitive and animilistic? i suppose if someone is treated like an animal long enough, they might start to act like one

>> No.2302501

>All men are equal (that includes women fuckfaces)
>Consenting adults of any gender should be able to do what they please to each other, including marry, kiss in public and even shoot homosexual sadomasochistic pornography without having to appeal to the highest court in the land
>Everyone should be entitled to good quality medical care from the state without charge
>All drugs should be legalised, with harder ones like heroin requiring a prescription
>Freedom of speech should be unequivocal. People of minority races should not get preferential treatment if something offends them and aggressive behaviour towards them should already be covered by laws not solely pertaining to race

>> No.2302509

>>2302501
women and Men should be treated as equal in the eyes of authority, but women aren't equal to men, because to be that they would have to... BE men.

>> No.2302512

>>2301335
>I believe going to clubs reduces peoples to apes
>I think a virginity(a virginity?) is something sacred (male or female)

says the sexless virgin who's never stepped foot inside a club

>> No.2302513

stop posting in this thread you moroons

>> No.2302515

>>2302501
idem

sole amendment:

>freedom of speech and information is one of the base inalienable human rights and censorship in any shape, way or form is wholly unacceptable

>> No.2302523

The family structure is the birthplace of hierarchy and oppression
The means of production shouldn't be privately owned
The police's authority is illegitimate
Morality is subjective
The Free Territory of Ukraine is the closest thing to economic liberation the world has ever known

>> No.2302529

>>2301375
>Black culture
>Thinks ghetto nigga african american culture is equivalent to African culture
I honestly hope you aren't this retarded

>> No.2302532

>>2302515
Yes, that's essentially what I meant.

>> No.2302535

>>2302523
how old are you? don't take offence

>> No.2302537

wtf why is this thread still going?

>> No.2302543

>>2302537
/lit/ is shit

>> No.2302546

>>2302535
He surely can't be older than 19.

>> No.2302548

>>2302523
>The means of production shouldn't be privately owned
i never really understood this. like there are literally no circumstances under which its okay for it to be "privately owned"? what exactly counts as "private"? only ever owned by the workers, or only ever owned by the governments? in case of the latter, does it bother you that you want it to be a monopoly that owns these things? in case of the former, why cant the workers themselves just collectively own a factory in a capitalistic economy?

>> No.2302551

>>2302537
>>2302543

i already pointed out that sages don't work >>2302420

why are you still doing it?

>> No.2302552

I kind of get pissed when people talk about "human rights" and "inalienable rights". I'm all for such rights, but it's not like these rights are at the core of humanity. They're just something Enlightenment philosophers made up.

>> No.2302553

>>2302552
humanism

>> No.2302555

>>2302553
is gay

>> No.2302558

>>2302535
22

>> No.2302563

>>2302548
No I don't think the government should control the means of production, in a perfect world there would be no government. I think it should be collectively owned and managed democratically by the people who actually keep the production going i.e. the workers

>> No.2302569

>>2302552
you're interpreting them wrong. we don't mean they're at 'the core of humanity', only at the core of an ideal civilized society.

>> No.2302581

Here I go:

- Black people are GENERALLY more aggressive/violent and less intelligent
- I don't want to reproduce with a non white, whites are below replacement birth rates
- Abrahamic religion is bullshit
- I would like to see all drugs legalized
- Modern theoretical physics has pretty much jumped the shark
- Nihilism is okay with me
- Morality is a farce
- Life has no objective meaning and is not even meaning applicable

>> No.2302583

>>2302569
That makes a lot more sense. I was always told that said rights were "at the core of humanity".

I still believe that these rights are ultimately taken away by most (if not all) civilizations, though. Or at least they are excessively curbed.

>> No.2302587

I'm religious but I'm completely fine with the idea (and potential reality) that life is meaningless and that there is no afterlife. This is really just unpopular among religious people, though.

>> No.2302596

>>2302581
>World War I - 70 million deaths
>World War II - 25 million deaths
>Taiping Rebellion -40 million deaths
>Russian Civil War - 9 million deaths
Yeah its the Black people that are more aggressive

>> No.2302599

>>2302596
You are a faggot. I'm sorry.

>> No.2302607

>>2302563
but if any one person was to buy the means of production, and there were people willing to work for that person, would you be opposed to that?

>> No.2302614

>>2301515

LOL LOL OH LOL

This PRETENTIOUS FAGGOT spouting about the primary purpose of a biological entity being "reproduction". As if teleology had anything to do with life! As if the misbegotten and grand and wonderful entities on the earth were not driven by impulses that at their core are the opposite of any attempt at a masturbatory teleology, let alone one so PATHETIC AND WOMANISH as "reproduction".

Such "atheists" as your ilk are merely relapsed Christians who, having failed to find satisfaction in your grand and terrible and long rape of human spirituality, have instead looked for a ground for meaning in some entity other than God. And who but a Christian (of the heart) could possess the spider's mendacity in trying to capture a quantum of meaning in your lazy webs without realizing that meaning is something that is willed and desired into things?

>> No.2302618

A. Jews are the most intelligent people on the planet
East Asians are not as brilliant overall but more talented mathematically than verbally
Blacks are untalented in cognitive abilities
Blacks are incredible athletes
Whites are the standard measure / average
Russians are addicted to chess
Chinese Americans love the violin

>> No.2302620

>>2301335

virgin asspie detected

or just troll

>> No.2302625

>God doesn't exist.
>There is no absolute morality.
>Objectivity is [subjectively] better than subjectivity.
>Science can sometimes be just as unreliable as religion.
>Human perception of most things is flawed.
>The idea of being proud of your culture or heritage is retarded. You were born into it purely by accident.
>Life is purely to have fun. You have only one life, are you going to spend it doing shit you don't want to do and being busy all the time?

>> No.2302628
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>>2302607
Yes because the employee-employer relationship is inherently exploitative

>> No.2302630

>>2301335

And speaking of pretentious faggots
>I believe going clubs reduces people to apes
>Most people don't value the Truth

Implying that believing in "the Truth" is not merely the echo of a resentful priest thousands of years in the past who, having confronted the polymorphy of behavior, values, and plain simple things in the evil of life and who weary of this life and its very able attempts to elude his feeble attempts to dominate it all, decided to have his revenge in a concept that allowed him to fancy a domination over all things. Oh Sumerians, Oh Persians, Oh Egyptians, Oh Romans, you might be mighty and powerful but I have the truth!

What most people don't value is the lie. The intensity of the will to "truth" has created a race of trogdolytes who have done more harm to any thing resembling a "truth" in so much that such trogdolytes (as yourself) whisper to your thoughts in the voice of the most dishonest liar and in doing so you have no means of distinguishing the lie and the truth since your belief in the truth is the apparent proof that you have it!

>> No.2302637

>>2302630

Oh god I forgot to insult you with that ape comment. I was going to write something that your idiocy about "the truth" (among other things) LOWERS YOU BELOW A FUCKING WORM.

Not even a FUCKING WORM could make such dumb errors. It doesn't even have the capacity to do so! And yet human beings turn themselves into LOWER THAN FUCKING WORMS by adhering to idiotic beliefs that mask pathetic psychological drives to infantile forms of domination via linguistic constructions ("The Truth").

>Disordered in that they do not fit into natural selection, yes

LOWER THAN A FUCKING WORM I SAY! Maybe homosexuals in tribal communities were free to help the offspring of their sibilings or family relatives! Maybe natural selection is not about any teleology of "the best" but merely WHAT CAN FUCKING SURVIVE.

Jesus how can such perverts as you twist such an inanely simple concept as natural selection (that which can survive survives. Even combinations of "bad" and "good" traits. Even combinations of "reproductionally useless" and "survival useful" genes).

>> No.2302639

it's disheartening how generic c/lit/s are, even in their contrast to normalfags

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>>2302596

Statistics are one sided. Also, the entire continent of Africa. In Kenya, people get burned a live for stealing potatoes.

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f166/burned-alive-kenya-stealing-potatoes-82609/

And that's fucking Kenya, one of the better countries.

>> No.2302643

>>2302614

I like you.

>> No.2302651

>>2302628
okay, let me explain something to you about "wages".
"wages" exist so that your payment isn't contingent on the success of failure of the people you work for.

secondly, how did a company with such shitty policies attain, let alone maintain a monopoly? i mean sure, companies have almost attained literal monopoly status in the past, but those are also companies that drove down the price of their goods by, like, a fuckton.

and third, exploitation is, you know, a subjective term. what one may consider exploitative, another may not.

in an IDEAL society, people would be free. if this freedom results in groups of workers buying up factories and doing the Capital part of Capitalism themselves, so be it. and if some one person buys up a factory (of their own free will) and others choose to work in that factory (of their own free will) then why would you oppose that?

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>>2302625
>Life is purely to have fun. You have only one life, are you going to spend it doing shit you don't want to do and being busy all the time?

Oh boy, you're everything that's wrong in our society.

>> No.2302655

>>2302651

You can't have private property in a free society.

Not the guy you were responding to, by the way.

>> No.2302661

>>2302587
...how does that work?

>> No.2302671

>>2302655
no, you can't have private property in a society where you can't have private property.

property rights are reliant on society. if you live in a society that accepts that owning things is a-okay, then you can own things.

if not, then when you try to own something, society will be like "no, fuck you"

>> No.2302678

>>2302655
If you don't believe in private property do you mind if I take your laptop or computer? I have a Mac and it sucks.

>> No.2302685

>>2302654
>hurr imposing your definition of a proper person onto others

>> No.2302695

What goes around comes around.

Teenagers should bear more penalties for crimes than adults.

School shootings brought on by bullying/trauma should not be considered crimes, so long as the victims are the people who performed said acts of bullying/trauma.

Incest should be punishable by forced abortion. If you want to poison your family, you get your wish, sick freak.

>> No.2302699

imbecile teenager who gets picked on detected

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>>2302685

>look guise look i hav no moral errything is subjective

So deep and edgy isn't it.

>> No.2302709

>>2302706
>implying that challenging your definition of 'proper person' implies amorality or subjectivism

how do you people go about life making these kinds of blatantly false attributions

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>> No.2302724

>Trying to explain human behavior with genetics is fucking retarded
>religious concepts have no direct relation to the natural world
>physical description is a superfluous element in Literature
>basing your political and societal views on exclusionary and essentialist philosophies shows that you are not intellectually mature
>the human psyche is irrational and impulsive, which is why history cannot be predicted and societal history is hard to re-imagine
>the subjectivity of the quality of art translates to the subjectivity of the quality of human cultures

>> No.2302728

I believe in morals and I believe in justice, but for some reason I have respect for the kind of person that says "fuck the rules" and lives by it, even if the ensuing actions are amoral.

I'm equally disgusted as well, though.

>> No.2302731

To a certain degree, incest isn't that big of a deal. I can't really expound on it, it's just that for some reason the topic doesn't rile me as much as, say, euthanasia.

>> No.2302733

>>2302724
also
>political correctness is good and should be observed

>> No.2302736

i think we should drop "morality" and focus more on empathy.

Morality will say we should murder gays in the name of God

Empathy will say we should just fucking let them be.

>> No.2302737

>The world will end in 2012
>There is little time for us to be saved
>Though I repent I do not think I will be saved
>Hybrid cars are a hoax

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>>2302706

>implying I ever mentioned the ''proper person'' model, whatever that is
>implying that wasn't a false assumption as well
>implying values and principles are wrong
>implying you're not brainwashed by either a liberalistic media-inducted agenda or an uncaring family/social circle

Also, I paraphrase your bullshit in case you're autistic.

>Life is purely to have fun. You have only one life, are you going to spend it doing shit you don't want to do and being busy all the time?

Really, nigger? Don't get me wrong, I used to think like that when I was 15 years old, you'll grow out of it eventually.

>> No.2302740

>>2302733
Stewart Lee has riffed about this, I agree.

>> No.2302745

>>2302738

this was for the following anon

>>2302709

>> No.2302747

>>2302625
Someone was molested by their parents.

Do you happen to subscribe to "The Amazing Atheist" on YouTube and is Kurt Vonnegut your favorite author?

>> No.2302748

>>2301653
>single motherhood
>bad

I'm not saying it's a good thing but single mothers aren't horrible people.

>> No.2302749

People are dumb. Children are not dumb or smart, but they get dumb because they have dumb parents that treat like "UGUUU WHO IS THE CUTE BABY OF MOMMY MOMMY IS GOING TO GIVE YOU FOOD DERPY DERPY YUM YUM SO GOOD YOU ARE GREAT BABY" because the parents were treated like that when they were kids and they think that's what kids like. It's one generation spoiling the next. And no, we shouldn't be hard on our children, but not treat children as the same as "adults, but retarded" or "adults to come".

>> No.2302751

>>2302733
To some extent I agree, if that blurting out "nigger" and "paki" at every opportunity should be frowned upon and that our government should not act in an insular manner. I still don't think that this sort of thing should be enforced by law. It's ridiculous that in certain European countries you can be arrested for denying the holocaust. Stupidity and insulting opinions should not be illegal.

>> No.2302769

>>2302749
while i agree with your sentiment, "motherese" is an important part of language development. has nothing to do with the intelligence of the parents or the baby.

>> No.2302772

>>2302738
false attribution anon here

i'm not the anon you're paraphrasing.

>implying values and principles are wrong

false attribution, false attribution everywhere.

there were no statements in my post, and "values and principles" is vague to the point of meaninglessness.

>implying people grow out of hedonism

rather, people grow out of conventional morality, as you can see from the hundreds of teenagers in this post. also, aristippus and epicurus > you.

>> No.2302779

Children, infant, babies and life-forms in general are disgusting. Child-rearing is painful to witness and the mindless perpetuation of humanity just doesn't seem like a noble purpose at all.

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2302859

I legitimately believe that people who cannot produce immediate proof of high intelligence or aptitude in some aspect of life or a high obvious physical attractiveness (8/10 or more) should be exterminated to further the human race to produce the best possible forms of life.
I believe that the majority of Asia, being highly unnatractive, should be exterminated.
This belief does not include black people. It does include the following if they do not possess exceptional levels of intelligence or aptitude for a certain something: overweight people, anyone with any sort of mental disability which cannot reap possible benefits (like creativity), unattractive women, the elderly, etc.
Mainly I believe if you are not desirable to many other humans for purposes of friendship or sexual interest and you simply exist to please yourself you are not worthy to live on the earth and I would love to see you all exterminated in gas chambers

>> No.2302868

>>2302859
I believe that for the genetic good of the race, I should be allowed to mate with all the hot ladies

also
>anyone with any sort of mental disability which cannot reap possible benefits (like creativity)

are you implying that creativity is a mental disability that cannot reap possible benefits

>> No.2302872

I think that I would make a great king of the world.

>> No.2302875

>>2302859
>I believe if you are not desirable to many other humans for purposes of friendship or sexual interest and you simply exist to please yourself you are not worthy to live on the earth

And then 4chan was empty

>> No.2302878

>>2302868
Following my system which I would actually love to employ (and would if I could), it would be up to the ladies if you mated with them. So if it doesn't happen in this world it wouldn't in mine

>> No.2302888

>>2301501
No, why would it wear down our teeth? Cooking it is worse because you are cooking away a substantial amount of nutrients. You're coagulating the amino acids mann! Meat eaters cooking their steak are loosing up to 50% of their protein and can loose as high as 90% of other nutrients. Yet they ask me on a daily basis where I'm getting mine from, even though protein deficiency is very prevalent in society with meat eaters. Society went way down hill when we started cooking our food and eating trash/meat. You can pretty much look at most of society's problems and it comes back to the shit the majority of people eat, heart disease, cancers, pretty much all the problems you have in your body, acne etc would not be happening if you were living off a raw fruit and veg diet, not to mention what it's doing to our planet.

The guy saying it was cheap to get fruit and veg, well it's not where I am in Australia, I am having to move to get it cheaper. My vegan friend spent ALL his savings on vegetables and fruit so now he's eating cooked food again and so am I, it is too expensive for a 20 year-old in my area. You're meant to eat around the equivalent of 30 bananas day, that's super expensive here.

>> No.2302896

>>2302872

So do I, oddly enough.

>> No.2302897

go away you

>> No.2302918

I'm over 35 and I think It's OK to throatfuck teenagers I pick up in bars.

>> No.2302923

The only way I could see male virginity as sacred is if he took an oath somehow like in a knighthood in a fantasy novel. In reality I don't see how. Unless you're a monk or something.

And even still its important that you choose your virginity and not being forever alone. That makes all the difference.

>> No.2302927

>My vegan friend spent ALL his savings on vegetables and fruit

I bet he started with grass - that's the gateway veg.

>> No.2302931

I think virginity is the least sacred of all things and everybody should be open to have sex with whoever they want at any time they want and I strongly recommend not to be too picky and just fuck someone.

>> No.2302940
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-I believe advertising is an art form.

>> No.2302949

>>2302923
You know, there used to exist men with honour.

Men whose seed was so precious that it would be a gift to receive it.

>> No.2302950

>>2302927
Lol, well, grass as in pot, he used to be a massive stoner.

This is a sought of question and opinion.
-How does one gauge intelligence. It must be subjective? I'll just use food for an example. You have this astronomer. he's super good in his field, knows all his shit. Yet he eats trash food, poisons his body, thinks fluoride water is ok etc etc. So in that aspect he is pretty stupid. I can imagine LOADS of super nerds everyone says are smart yet they are stupid in this regard.

>> No.2303067

>>2301429
I'm with you... a mostly-raw vegan here. I think that despite all of our intrinsic flaws and the impossibility of it, mankind should still strive to perfect themselves... personal growth is one of the main reasons that I want to continue living. A vegan lifestyle shows humility, selflessness, and awareness in a world (esp. the US) where such traits are rarely sought out.

That said, vegetarians and vegans who like to be preachy and brag like electric car owners are annoying as all hell.

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>>2302940

>> No.2303124

>Gay people are either psychologically or genetically disordered/diseased

Incorrect

>I'll never breed with a girl who isn't white

Unless you're non-white, that's not controversial

>I believe going clubs reduces people to apes

That's stupid. Apes don't drink or dance.

>I believe women are on average physically and mentally inferior (exceptions are rare)

Agreed.

>I think a virginity is something sacred (male or female)

I'm guessing you have an impoverished conception of sacrality

>Most people don't value the Truth

John 18:38

>> No.2303136

>>2303067
Yeah. Sometimes it's hard to not look preachy. Usually a meat eater will be the one starting conversation about you being a vegan or teasins you and answering their questions you sought of feel bad because it's showing all kinds of moral dilemmas and they do get offended or feel embarrassed etc. For some reason I always feel like I'm being negative or preachy even though I don't want to really talk about it with people and they are always the ones to ask me, where do you get your protein or something like that.

A vegetarian should not be smug, they still support the industry but it's still good they are making better choices, and seem to be more open minded.

>> No.2303171

>>2303124

what's more with the non-white thing is that it's actually genetically better for the future of humanity if everyone breeds with a member of a different race

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- People should not be afraid of their bodies, they could run around naked and even have sex in public and in front of my children, I don't mind and I actually recommend

- I recommend the use of marijuana and if everyone smoked just a bit people would perceive the world in a much better way and things would flow much easier

- We don't need better machines and new products, we need to find happiness in the small things and leave the great achievements to the achievements of the mind on philosophy, writing, visual arts, dance, music...

- We need constant touch with nature. We need to exercise, but not like hamsters on wheels, but to achieve actual goals, like tasting a fruit from a high tree or exploring a new area by yourself

- The night is supposed to be dark. Let's turn off all the lights or else we will never see the stars again.

- Things should not be divided by fences and walls. That serves for a lot of things. For example, ideology should not be put in between the boundaries of a name, there should be no organized religion, only personal cosmological beliefs (or none at all, if that suits you), there should be no private proprierty, but "personal property". Nothing is mine because it's not yours, it's all ours in a sense. The difference is that what is mine is simply what I have the responsibility to lend to you, I'm the person you should ask for to get it, and if I want to respect my property, the honorable thing is to share.

>> No.2303202

I believe fascism is a legitimate form of government, so long as they would stop espousing racial superiority.
I believe that society should at least TRY to have some empathy.
I believe that all people could be great, if only we could have motivated them to pursue what they were great at.
I hate the vast majority of intellectuals, although quite a few aren't so bad.
I read for pleasure, not to seem "deep and thought-provoking".
I believe writers should put more time into making their points clearer, not just simply ending an essay leaving the reader wondering what the fuck the writer is even talking about.

>> No.2303210

>>2303186
Hippy faggot.
Nice pic though.

>> No.2303214

>>2303202
Forgot one.
I believe that Libertarians and Minarchists agree on far more then either side would like to believe.

>> No.2303218

>>2303186

agree with the exercise and lights thing. fuck me i've still barely ever really seen the stars before and i'm 21. there's just too much light pollution anywhere you go.

the clothes/nudism thing though is just kinda stupid. we shouldn't be ashamed of our bodies yadda yadda etc. etc. i get it, but there's pretty much nowhere on earth where some level of clothes aren't required. they developed for reasons which had nothing to do with prudishly covering people up. it was to protect us against wind/rain/sun/snow/etc.

>> No.2303219

People who don't believe social welfare should exist are fucking scum.

>> No.2303223

thank god there's fucking lights, i don't want to have to go to sleep at 5:30 because i cna't fucking see anything

>> No.2303229

I believe it's a crime to be rich, while people are poor.

>> No.2303237

>Everyone should be taxed 50% on earnings between $1 and $40,000. Anything beyond that should be tax free.
>Welfare should be abolished.
>There is nothing wrong with racial segregation. It is up to the proprietor who is allowed where on the premises.
>Only households who earn above $40,000 a year should be allowed to vote.

>> No.2303238

>>2302651
Wages in a capitalist world maybe, but shouldn't you get paid for what you work? (whole theory of surplus value and value of labor)

The pic is just an illustration of the concept, but monopolies do happen and this sort of exploitation isn't limited to monopolies.
I already told you why I oppose it, I feel that all labor relations are naturally exploitative.
>>2302678
"Property" in this context means the modes of production (factories, mines, land etc.)

>> No.2303244

>>2303218
Oh, I made it sound like everyone should go nude, but wearing clothes are not a problem. The problem is that they made a problem of not wearing them. Not only clothes are good for protection, they also offer pockets for us to carry things and they have good decorative value and even artistic value to them.

>> No.2303247

>>2303237
This is why capitalists have a racist stereotype

>> No.2303249

>>2303237
Congrats on being a worse person than the OP.

>> No.2303284

>>2303171
>what's more with the non-white thing is that it's actually genetically better for the future of humanity if everyone breeds with a member of a different race

Wrong. Shut the fuck up, you stupid shit.
This is completely false.

>> No.2303287

When genetic engineering becomes an over-the-counter type thing, that lunatic talking about your kids getting fused with dragons and shit won't be too far off

nah seriously though people will just get dumb hair modifications and shit

>> No.2303291

>>2303287
So I can finally become Dovahkiin?

>> No.2303323

>OP: I don't want to go have children with a women outside my race

>/lit/: RAAAAHHHHHHHHH DAS RACIST 2 BLACK PPL NIGGA WE EQUALS U NAZI KKK RACIST PIG


This board is a fucking shithole.

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This is one of the most interesting threads I have ever read on /lit/. While filled with a bit of circlejerk and shitstorm, hearing some educated peoples' opinions on society that they would only speak in anonymity is fucking cool and interesting.

>> No.2303380

>>2303186
> People should not be afraid of their bodies, they could run around naked and even have sex in public and in front of my children, I don't mind and I actually recommend

I've realized only recently I'm a bit of a naturist in that I don't really have hangups about being naked, and while I'm iffy on the sex part, I'd agree with most of what you said.

>> No.2303493

Government is pointless - all we need is the law.

>> No.2303516

>>2303247
>>2303249
You'd agree with me if you weren't poorfags. Piss off to North Korea you fucking commies.