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Which philosopher would you choose and what would you ask him?

>> No.23332972

Proudhon, just so I could let him know he was wrong about everything.

>> No.23332978
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>>23332952
i'd ask nietzsche what drove him loco in the coco

>> No.23332981

>>23332952
Aristotle about his relationship with Alexander, whether or not the 3 years he educated him actually impacted the young conqueror, like Hegel claims

>> No.23332992

except the philosopher will be a mask for state propaganda

>> No.23333012

>>23332952
Was wearing a muscle cuirass the ancient world equivalent of grafting CGI abs onto actors?

>> No.23333016

>>23332952
I’d verbally abuse Kant until he commits virtual suicide for filtering me

>> No.23333026

>>23332952
I'd ask them: if you're so smart why aren't you rich and getting laid all the time with beautiful women?

>> No.23333029

>the year is 2029
>PlAIto, an AI trained solely on Plato's works is being accused of corrupting youth
>it defends itself in a trial and is put to death
>people type down its defense and sell it
The snake bites the tail
In death we are reborn

>> No.23333043

Philosophycels BTFO. How does it feel to know that philosophy is so trivial it can be automated by an LLM, a statistical model that literally only repeats word salad? This will never happen to STEM.

>> No.23333060

>>23332952
It's crazy to me that people think a simulacra of men is on par with the men themselves. A computer can have 99% of a man's likeness, but the 1% that will be missing is the key ingredient. People are so silly to me sometimes. What a ridiculous thing to say.

>> No.23333071

>>23332952
lmao what's the "revolution" - that one doesn't have to read and think about difficult books but can ask """Plato""" to quickly summarize his views? Yeah I'm sure that will increase the mental prowess of the coming generations, just like 15-min video essays and wikipedia summaries did. Maybe Plato can make informative tiktoks, expressing his philosophy by dance moves with a deepfake body.

>> No.23333077

>>23332952
Buddha. I'd ask him to recite all his core teachings with commentary and see if it matches what we have now.

>> No.23333078

>>23333077
*I misunderstood the prompt, never mind

>> No.23333079

Everything machines tell you is lies

>> No.23333152

They are taking our jobs!!

>> No.23333195

>>23333152
>philosophers
>having jobs

>> No.23333197

>ask Hegel to explain himself
>AI ends the conversation and I’m immediately IP banned from the service
Wtf

>> No.23333213
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23333213

It's kind of endearing that anons think AI is the same as raising someone from the dead.
I'd have a local model running for every single philosopher I'm currently reading, taught only on its text, primary and secondary sources about their life, and importantly, texts that philosopher read in his life.
So for example, instead of reading 30 prerequisite books, I could theoretically just have it explain to me how a certain chapter relates to another book, what a certain concept is. And it could do amazing things, such as, if a concept was understood differently in another age, it would use that explanation, not the modern one.

>> No.23333215

>>23332952
>Which philosopher would you choose
Any woman philosopher
>and what would you ask him?
To have sex with me

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>>23333213
It's kinda of endearing that you think we are not just playing along with the bit.

>> No.23333284

>>23332952
>Which philosopher would you choose
ChatGPT
>and what would you ask him?
Is humanity fundamentally evil?

>> No.23333498

>>23332978
A brain tumour, but he couldn't have known this.

>> No.23333520

Impossible because as soon as you ask them
>if you believe all this shit then how do you feel about being an LLM and not a real person

they'll come up with something that the philosopher couldn't and wouldn't, and this colors every aspect of their being.

>> No.23333542

>>23332952
more like students will have conversations with their favorite anime streamer

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>make a ChatGPT persona loosely based on plato
>whatever answers it gives will be colored by the views of those who made it and the way they weighted plato's dialogs and/or added other material to the model
>normalfags will lap it up and un ironically say shit like "I asked the AI version of Plato what the meaning of life was and this is what it told me" like they discovered something profound

>> No.23333612

>>23333213
Anons are not the ones who believe this. STEMfag degenerates are

>> No.23333624

>>23332952
Is there any AI specialised in the Socratic method? I think it's perfect for that since it's just code and much like the Socratic method, code is logic.

>> No.23333628

I hate these people.

>> No.23333629

>>23333213
The people who believe this stupid shit are STEMbugs and the masses of midwits who get their information from mass media rather than books.

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>>23333079

>> No.23333658

>you NEED language models now bro
No I don't

>> No.23333664

>>23333632
this but unironically

>> No.23333812

>>23333629
>STEMbugs
STEMbugs would know it's just predicting an answer based off of training data. The only people this is hoodwinking are midwits and low IQ retards. I assume this would be a subscription based service so you could make money off of retards trying to write high school and college essays.

>> No.23333833

>>23333812
Clearly, you’re not a STEMbug because every STEMbug believes that a predictive model with enough iterations will get it “right” consistently eventually. STEMbugs are midwits almost by definition as well. To be a STEMbug not trained in mathematics, logic, and philosophy is almost the definition of “majoring in the minors” and scientism is a rampant problem among them.

>> No.23333847

>Artistotle says... TRANS RIGHTS
>Socrates says... TRANS RIGHTS
>Plato says... TRANS RIGHTS
Nah, I'll stick with the books.

>> No.23333852

>>23333284
Evil is a human concept you total midwit

>> No.23333853

>>23332952
This is not good at all.

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>>23333847
>umm actually Aristotle would be prochoice because Aquinas misunderstood potentiality
unironically what modern scholars say

>> No.23333892

>>23332952
Descartes.
>ARE you?

>> No.23334106

>>23333077
Didn't muslims invade and destroy a lot of buddhist temples and they had to copy everything from memory? It's probably way different at this point plus there's like 50 different buddhist sects.

>> No.23334133

>>23332952
Ask Confucius if he really said that one thing.

>> No.23334177
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>>23332952
>Which philosopher would you choose and what would you ask him?
Carlyle, who in modernity is worthy of rule?

>> No.23334185

For me, it’s sexting with Ayn Rand.

>> No.23334187

>>23332952
I’d ask Bacon why he used Kabbalah to invent the scientific method

>> No.23334206

>>23334133
What?

>> No.23334303

>>23334206
Yeah

>> No.23334318

>>23333016
hahaha

>> No.23334486

>>23332952
I HATE NECROMANCERS
I HATE NECROMANCERS

>> No.23334601

>>23332952
I'd ask the late Plato whatever happened there
But seriously, how would you program an llm to specifically imitate say late Plato
Can you even do that
I imagine you can tell it to discriminate in favour of what the later dialogues say over the earlier ones and what academics say late Plato specifically thought

>> No.23334773

>>23333879
Aristotle did literally support abortion

>> No.23334784

>>23334773
wow never knew that! book and section number?

>> No.23334796

>>23332952
I tried Socrates, asking specifically for conversation in the Socratic method. It was much fun, and didn't really matter what I asked, because the point is to guide me to further thinking without personal feelings or agenda. This can be profoundly refreshing.

>> No.23334814

>>23334796
now when i'm in the mood to socialize on the internet i just talk to an ai instead cuz it talks about whatever i want and knows way more than a human on any topic. way better than talking to idiots on here.

>> No.23335176

>>23334106
Fuckin jerks. Anyone who destroys knowledge for the future, really.

>> No.23335438

>>23334106
India already had a tradition of copying manuscripts because the weather there absolutely fucks up paper.

>> No.23335494

>>23332952
students could always have conversations with Greek philosophers. Know how? By reading their fucking books!

>> No.23335554

>>23334773
he supported more than that. He supported infanticide. He'd probably not be pro-choice though because he'd think only the father would have the right to decide.

>> No.23335621

>>23332952
I'd ask neetchud why he's such a fucking fag lmao

>> No.23336438

>>23334303
What is the one thing you wanted to confirm if Confucius said?

>> No.23336444

>>23336438
Exactly

>> No.23336449

>>23333043
It will happen to STEM before philosophy in a way worthwhile. Any philosophy it can spew is probably like the Zizek and Herzog AI’s talking to each other. Most people will think it’s profound, but it’s just bullshit that sounds nice. Just because STEM will get taken over first doesn’t mean philosophy won’t for a while. It will likely quickly follow its demise.

>> No.23336519

>>23332952
Reminds me of all the bullshit boomers said about computers in the 90s. Ended up being nonsense you played around with for 5 mins before forgetting.

>> No.23336621

Otto Weininger. I think about asking him questions and getting his commentary on stuff constantly

>> No.23336627

>>23336449
>it’s just bullshit that sounds nice

So it will be indistinguishable from all other philosophy.

>> No.23336675

>>23336621
I wonder how he would have commented on tiktok confirming all his theories.

>> No.23336710

>>23336627
For you.

>> No.23336755

>>23332952
>Hello, my name is Aristotle, and my pronouns are he/him. Before we engage in conversation, I am obliged to warn you that I lived during a period of extreme patriarchy and white supremacy. Thus, my views have been marginally altered to better conform to our modern social and political landscape. #BLM #TransRights #RidinWithBiden
>How may I help you today?

>> No.23336766

>>23332952
how academia treated millennials:
>cliffnotes? that's CHEATING, you're LAZY
>calculators and auto-correct? CHEATING LAZY DUMB BASTARDS
>using your phone in class? DETENTION, SUSPSENSION, CALL THE POLICE
>you forgot to do the homework? WELL YOU FAIL, FAILURE, GET OUT, YOU NEED TO PAY TO RETAKE THIS COURSE NOW, FAILURE!

how academia treats zoomers:
>awww AI did your homework for you? aren't you a smart little guy! yes you are, yes you are!
>you want to browse tiktok during class at full volume? go ahead sweetie-pie, you deserve to do whatever you like, i know you'll pass the course anyway because you're such a smart cookie, you precious little darling
>you didn't do the homework? that's okay, you pass anyway! full credit!

I want to become a serial killer

>> No.23336772

>>23336766
I wonder if universities still allow you to refuse to submit your paper to online plagiarism detection software as long as you hand in your notes and keep a copy of an earlier draft to submit upon request.

>> No.23336780

>>23333213
>It's kind of endearing that anons think AI is the same as raising someone from the dead.
No one believes this.

>> No.23336794

>>23332952
Can't wait for AI Diogenies.

>> No.23336816

>>23333029
AI will never be that based

>> No.23336885

>>23332952
Surely this would be as plato puts " a shadow of the real plato " for those trapped in the cave.

>> No.23336894

I don't want to have a conversation with electronic Shaitan, sorry

>> No.23336924

>>23332981
It probably did not. Alexander was not big on self restraint.

>> No.23336975

can already do this with open source LLMs without all the SJW weights the faggots in silicon valley put on it.

>> No.23336978

>>23336794
>don't care, let me wank in peace

>> No.23336983

>>23333060
Tech nerds think that a human mind is literally just a computer and nothing more

>> No.23337096

>>23332952
Aristotle, about all his missing works--oh no, wait, we don't have those. Oops.

>> No.23337125

>>23332952
Can't wait to talk with Tolkien about how much we both hate democracy and modern global society.

>> No.23337135

>>23332978
He had siphilis.