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>> No.23346131

>>23346116
It's anti-germanism/westernism. He plays along the lines of Germanics by embracing the fact that everyone who's not square-faced is not-white. In essence, a jewish tactic.

>> No.23346138

Lets all talk about Dugan
Without reading any Dugan
The same way we talk about phosophers
Wthout reading their philosophies!

yeah!

>> No.23346163

>>23346116
What is "whiteism"? Such a thing only exists in colonial countries such as America in fringe groups such as the KKK. In Europe "whites" are historically divided by language, nation, religion. Even the Nazis were not "whiteists" by "Aryanists" who thought Slavs were inferior (even though Slavic is part of the Aryan language tree but, whatever, facts don't matter to racists).

>> No.23346182

>>23346116
Pretty much. That’s why I stopped following him years ago. Never liked Mark Fisher much either.

>> No.23346186

>>23346163
The Klan was super based back in the day before the existence of federal agents ruined it. Another reason why those institutions shouldn’t exist. Gross government overreach.

>> No.23346195

>>23346182
For further context, I can at least thank him for pushing me to write my own theory in opposition.

>> No.23346196

>>23346116
He's a meme and got his daughter killed

>> No.23346205

>>23346116
Can you blame him? Liberalism is a white disease. There are no non-whites true believers, all of them go along for gibs and/or sinecures.

>> No.23346215

>>23346205
Liberalism is why people in the west can hold verboten beliefs such as his. If it wasn’t for that people would be getting killed left and right for not towing the party line and sucking up to the sovereign, no matter how insane he is. People on this forum lack foresight.

>> No.23346216

>>23346116
Test

>> No.23346217

>>23346116
what is a "white"?

>> No.23346220

>>23346205
Delusional

>> No.23346223
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23346223

>>23346163
>What is "whiteism"? Such a thing only exists in colonial countries such as America

Why was classical Syria so full of American kkk white supremacists?

>> No.23346239

>>23346215
This is not the 80s anymore. Censorship is back and this time it's the private sector doing it so one cannot even hide behind his country's liberal constitution.

>> No.23346253

>>23346116
The only good kind.

>> No.23346275

>>23346239
Not really what I was getting at regardless….it doesn’t matter. Dugin is far from an antisemite I would even wager he’s philosemitic in his appropriation of Boasian “noble savage” anthropology where dipshit third worlders can do no wrong.

>> No.23346279

>>23346275
In essence he should by all rights be protected by the American business class as it’s the same garbage being regurgitated by CEOs.

>> No.23346305

>>23346163
>>23346186
>>23346223
It's the enemy that defines "whites", not /pol/, not KKK, not Nazis. Leftists define white, who their enemy is.
Simple as

>> No.23346455

>>23346223
White as a description of skin colour is completely different than white as an idea of ethnic identity that incorporates all the European peoples (but leaves out white-skinned Jews for some reason). The latter only exists in colonial countries where the settlers came from all over Europe and defined themselves against the non whites

>> No.23346467

>>23346305
Leftists don’t define anything except their particular gender at the hour.

>> No.23346469
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23346469

I am anti-white too because all the shit we allow in our countries is so unacceptable I don't really think we deserve to continue as a race

>> No.23346470

>>23346455
That’s because Jews are middle eastern

>> No.23346471

>>23346469
Well, he who is without sin, cast the first stone, Mr. Savior. You’ll never be brown.

>> No.23346473

>>23346470
Italians are genetically closer to Ashkenazi Jews than they are to Irish people. There is no great genetic barrier. It is a historical-social thing which split them because of religion.

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>>23346469
That's the entire point of demoralization.

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23346493

>>23346473
It's okay to not be white.

>> No.23346503
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23346503

>>23346215
>Liberalism is why people in the west can hold verboten beliefs such as his. If it wasn’t for that people would be getting killed left and right for not towing the party line and sucking up to the sovereign, no matter how insane he is. People on this forum lack foresight.
I actually laughed reading this.

You cannot hold 'verboten beliefs' in the west. We just unleashed the national guard and overrode the constitution with a new law widely approved by the house proving this.

Idiots like you think because you're allowed to say completely harmless idiotic things that you have free speech. You're just riding on rails of controlled opposition when you do this. Things like White Nationalism are 100% impotent and harmless and controlled by the intelligence agencies are thus allowed. However the second you say something actually forbidden your life is destroyed, such as criticizing Israel.

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>>23346116
I'm Catholic so I don't like him. He wanks off the Orthos too much.

>> No.23346512

>>23346116
Why would I listen to a guy who can't even keep his doctor from being blown up?

>> No.23346519

>>23346470
>>23346473
Neo-rabbinics aren't Jewish. They're European rejects from the medieval period.

>> No.23346839

>>23346503
>tries to make a point
>posts Voltaire

I was gonna take you seriously but nah you have fun with that.

>> No.23346847

>>23346503
Besides, how is it any different than being in the east holding western opinions?

>> No.23346848

>>23346473
Yes and Italians are barely white if that

>> No.23346858

>>23346511
Quite understandable

>> No.23346892

>>23346839
>have no argument
>pretend you did
lol
Voltaire never even said that but it's the first thing Google shows when you search for that phrase. It's valid all the same. Extra valid perhaps with how easily Voltaire exposed your hollow seethe. You probably don't even understand why you disagree or are offended in true cattle fashion.

>> No.23346911

>>23346116
Holy based

>> No.23346967

>>23346892
I don’t take the opinions of people that deny mythological symbolism and its importance to the fabric of society seriously, so, tit for tat. You’re the tit.

>> No.23346992

>>23346892
Besides I’m not about to defend the inane rants of Mongol anti white like you’re clearly doing whether you realize or not.

>> No.23347008

>>23346967
Is this a bot? Not a very good one, it can't seem to understand the topic it is replying to.

>> No.23347030

>>23346493
You keep spamming this on /lit/ and /his/ like real life Italians aren't offended at the idea of them not being white. Probably some American mutt trying to destroy white identify.

>> No.23347128

>>23346116
It is shittier version of Savinkovism and Eurasianism of Trubetskoj mixed together.

>> No.23347169

>>23347030
Not all Americans are mutts, thoughbeit..it’s a common European misconception

>> No.23347177

>>23347008
Fuck you nigger. Wasn’t talking about Dugin, was talking about Voltaire. Learn subtext.

>> No.23347201

>mythological symbolism
>Voltaire
when Rajeesh sends his bots, he doesn't send his best

>> No.23347266
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23347266

>>23346116
Well, Dugin flips postmodernism around, right? Or he is postmodern in his thinking and uses a form of standpoint epistemology. So you hear leftists say that POCs have their own truth and narrative, so Dugin does that for Russia and it's "Russian soul" but that is also ultra-conservative for him. Reminds me of Foucault talking about the Islamic revolution in Iran, which he embraced with enthusiasm and thought it was ~beyond comprehension~ of Westerners, which made the Iranians inscrutable in some interesting way.

It's not so much them that's the issue, but something in which the ways of irrationalist and antimodernist views can sync with postmodern theory.

>>23346503
>You cannot hold 'verboten beliefs' in the west.
Sure you can. But let me add a historical lesson: when Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968, only 25% of white Americans approved of King. A full 75% either didn't care about King or loathed him and everything he stood for. When he would march into cities in the South, he knew they were going to be attacked and beat up and arrested (that's also why he marched into those places, because he knew Bull Conner was stupid enough to do that). Even today, there's massive myopia in the liberal world that really thinks the only true version of activism is within the Democratic Party, and that if YOU DO PROTEST RIGHT, everyone will ~*~magically~*~ come around to your position and support you, which is absolutely ahistorical nonsense. No matter what kind of protest action you do, more likely than not, most Americans may very well hate you -- including a significant number of liberals -- because they just don't like people protesting.

But did that stop MLK? I mean, a bullet did, but it took that much to put him down. You know what I mean? The civil rights movement was never some unified organization with Gen. MLK leading the highly trained, disciplined troops doing all of this in a way that would not offend people (or white people in particular). I mean, it wasn't like that at all. It has always been like that for most of the time in which these movements existed. It's only decades later when a large majority thinks MLK / gay rights / whatever-ism is now acceptable. But for them, it was a sacrifice they were willing and even perhaps eager to make. leaders planned the children’s march in Birmingham specifically knowing that kids would likely die and that only the blood of children would gain the national attention necessary to push for what became the Civil Rights Act. So I think it's silly to whine about college kids protesting, which so many liberals/centrists/conservatives are doing, but the flip side is also true -- they're willing to take some risks and put some skin the game.

So stop whining and do something.

>> No.23347296

>>23347266
>uses MLK as an example of verboten beliefs
>when he was literally a CIA asset in an internal government civil war
He had all but universal approval by those in power. You are a retard.

>> No.23347310

>>23347266
>this mass mythologized figure used in endless propaganda by the dominant regime which is the source of my opinion of them and who even has a federal holiday is proof of the effectiveness of dissidents!
lol

>> No.23347374

>>23346116
surely the brown masses will spare a ethnic dude like him because his grandfather was half mongolian

>> No.23347462

>>23346116
But is he wrong tho?

>>23346205
>>23346469
This and this.

Try living in NPC countries like Norway, Sweden, England and Germany you will see how despicable they are. And the worst part is that they hold people like me in contempt. Not the politicans or the minorities. But nationalists.

>> No.23348438

>>23347374
What brown masses? Those in the West?

>> No.23348573
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23348573

>>23346163
Fake news you dishonest faggot

>> No.23348574

>>23346116
>If you ain't liberal you ain't white dugie

Gtdo op

>> No.23348580

>>23347266
I was with you but then this guy >>23347296
>He had all but universal approval by those in power. You are a retard.

recalled that the Keneddy administration liked MLK, at least more than they liked MX, that is.

>> No.23348604

>>23346131
>square-faced
What do you mean?

>> No.23348605

>>23347296
Like Lasch said, all protestors do is legitimize what is already decided. He was cute and maybe that helped, but civil rights were going to pass with or without him.

>> No.23348607

>>23346305
Only as a collective. They have no problems with individualist whites.

>> No.23348655

>>23348605
It's worse than that because now protests only exist because they are cultivated by the powers of government and finance. Consider the BLM riots which seem to have a magic on and off switch for the Democrats.

>> No.23348681

White identity is european genocide

>> No.23349953

>>23346503
Voltaire was the biggest faggot in the world and he fucked Frederick the Great in his ass

>> No.23349967

>>23347201
Complete opposite of what I was saying but okay

>> No.23349971

>>23349953
Dubs of truth

>>23348681
It’s pretty clear the battle lines are drawn here, Hans

>> No.23349975

>>23347462
Either way he’s dangerous

>> No.23349977

>>23347266
Protesting is illegal Iran, one of a few things those sandmonkeys get right.

>> No.23349988 [DELETED] 

>>23349977
Kys, snow nigger. Iran has been helping your ungrateful, sanctimonious race by hosting Holocaust Denial Conferences, yet you are so cucked that you constantly support the Jews and Gulfies over based Iran. You were born to be cucks to Jews and create the very conditions for your own extinction (e.g., bolstering Gulfies who hate you far more than any Iranian).

>> No.23349992

>>23346473
>>23346455
Because Jews will apply the term white to themselves only when it's beneficial. But they hate the concept of whiteness. Doesn't matter what country they are in, they identify racially as jewish first and foremost forever and will never call themselves "French" for example.
They also have major ingroup preference to the point that it's like a secondary identity operating within a nation completely devoid from everyone else.

They may intermingle, but if the mother is jewish then the child will be jewish. it's a secret society that's maintained. You want to talk about how odd it is for white people to want to maintain ethnic cohesion at least within europe, but for some reason defend Jew's right to do the same then you're a hypocrite.

>> No.23349996

>>23346469
>>23347462
Nobody is immune to propaganda. You can't hold someone at fault for being misled their whole lives.
No other group has had to endure so much misinformation and subversion. Somehow we're still surviving.

>> No.23350008

>>23349996
>No other group has had to endure so much misinformation and subversion.
If there's one thing you share in common with Jews, it's how self-centered you are and tend to endlessly self-victimize yourselves.

>> No.23350225

>>23349996
>You can't hold someone at fault for being misled their whole lives.
I can actually.
Let's take France as an example
The French had several opportunities for national salvation.
2002 Presidential Election
>Le Pen lost
2017 Presidential Election
>Le Pen lost
2022 Presidential Election
>Le Pen lost
22 years, they had 22 years. I'm aware that elections may not change much, but it's an indicator on how peoples and values shift and if they give consent.
22 years despite everything.
It's their fault, it's their guilt, they're traitors, they should die, they should be holocausted. Bretons should definitely be holocausted because Bretagne is the whitest and most liberal region in France.

If you have been misled your entire life, then that you will never "wake up". I can only hope that cultural enrichment (robberies, rapes) comes to their front door!

The 13,288,686 frenchmen that Le Pen won in 2022, there is no point to reach out to more people, because that's the peak.

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>>23350225
lmao didn't expect to attract a schizo like you. Idk why you think Le Pen is a messiah but I'm not black like you so maybe your salvation is different than mine.

>> No.23350242

>>23350235
support for her is indicator on how based and redpilled french people are
i dont think le pen is a messiah but her winning would have enormous repercussions for the ruling class, in that way she is "salvational".

>> No.23350249

>>23350242
...ok let's just assume you're not french and don't understand that she's funded entirely by russians. because the far rightest frenchman wants absolutely nothing to do with her.

>> No.23350259

>>23350249
>she's funded entirely by russians
Good. Based Russians.

>> No.23350266

>>23350259
What is based about le pen anyway. She's hardly a nationalist. What are her policies?
because France still enforces itself as an empire, and it still has colonies. That's why they're not suffering from becoming outdated and irrelevant, like the UK is. They're operating at a different level than whatever country you're projecting onto them

>> No.23350276

>>23348655
Doesn't actually hold up right now when the American regime is shutting down anti-Israel protests across both sides of the spectrum. BLM was clearly just a social movement paraded by the elites but these protests are genuinely anti-establishment and your average cocksucking conservative cuckold boomer faggot bitch retard will support Israel just as much as an affluent hysterical libshit

>> No.23350283

>>23346205
Yeah liberalism is western culture whether you like it or not

>> No.23350289

>>23346511
His entire job is to make Russians feel better about themselves through coping. Anyone in the world can see Russia continues shooting themselves in the food and continues to blame others for their own doing

>> No.23350305

>>23350266
She is not based based based, it's the people that voted for her. They are based
>Policies
the typical national conservative
Lower immigration, crackdown on Islam, yada yada

>> No.23350308

>>23350283
Good thing that liberalism and Westerners are dying.
Finished.

>> No.23350312

>>23350305
You have no idea how European racism works, it's far more complex than black and white. French nationalists consider anyone who can perfectly speak French to be 100% ethnic French.

Nationalists would open the doors to Nigerians faster than Macron. I knew you weren't french, but jesus christ you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. just shut the hell up. Le Pen's voters are all Africans.

>> No.23350317

>>23350312
>Nationalists would open the doors to Nigerians faster than Macron
I would too.

>Le Pen's voters are all Africans.
Why is she popular in Lille and not in the Paris suburbs then?

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>>23348604

>> No.23350367

>>23346116
*left but full shizo

>> No.23350379

>>23346223
hunnic people from the east were called white because each corner of the world was associated with color in central asian culture; were they nordic aryan kangz?

>> No.23350437

shill/concern troll squad out in full force itt
>i will say anything that stops europeans from identifying politically with their racial identity
that's the goal of all shitlibs + state security forces + leftists + most christians + most conservatives + you know who
although OP you are basically right, but I don't think it has to be harped on that much. Russians seem to have an inferiority complex about Western europe and it manifests in ideological schizophrenia like flying the USSR, Empire, and modern russian flags all together + duginism. That said, there is probably no hope for a sovereign nationalist western europe without russian support, so hopefully russia can get its apparent resentment problem in check. That would have to come packaged with a concomitant unequivocal rejection of liberal/western chauvinism coming from western europeans
no more
>european empires are BASED because they brought heckin clean water and technology to brown people
takes along with
>muh ruzzians are slavic mongol rape orcs
which are two manifestations of the same faulty attitude

>> No.23350582

>>23346511
The racist roman kkk catholic church will fall to the moral orthodox eurasian alliance. Western colonialism will finally fall.

>> No.23351620

>>23350437
Russia is 30% muslim now, and every "white" russian is hiv infected communist, what about you talking

>> No.23351728

>>23346116
That's traditionalism for you. Functionally Christian third worldism.

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>>23346163
死ぬ

>> No.23351823

>>23351620
does that differ from the U.S.

>> No.23351860

>>23346131
Im squarefaced but im not white

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>this thread
Embarrassing level of discussion for a "literature" board.