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[Anonymous No.23379178]

Jordan Peterson’s personality and politics aside, is 12 rules for life actually a good book?

[Anonymous No.23379396]

lmao

[Anonymous No.23379430]

I would describe every chapter as it’s good until it suddenly isn’t. At the end of the chapter when he is summarizing the point and getting very preachy it’s kind of insufferable, but I found the way he gradually injects his point in chapter 1 through the example of the lobster to be really elegant and not forceful.

[Anonymous No.23379440]

>>23379178
>common sense shit presented as secret knowledge
>common sense shit presented as secret knowledge
>common sense shit presented as secret knowledge
>demoralization propaganda to gaslight you after the previous common sense shit got you agreeing with the author
>repeat

12 rules for grifting

[Anonymous No.23379591]

Just read Jung instead

[Anonymous No.23380457]

>>23379178
I don't know, I never read it and don't plan on ever doing so.

[Anonymous No.23380465]

It's just the same old shit that gets published all the time and is quarantined in bookstores to the self development section, containing self-evident and obvious affirmations that won't actually be followed by the type of people hopeless enough to buy crap like this.

[Anonymous No.23380482]

>>23379178
It's extremely unfocused and jumpy. As far as I remember I only read half of it or so and couldn't stand more. What works as public speaking - Peterson's endless tangents and hopping on every association that comes to his mind - just doesn't work as text, and he didn't even try to give it proper form and editing, it's just 12 Petersonian rants. One of the books where the wiki summary is enough.

[Anonymous No.23380500]

>>23379178
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
inb4
>he's a drug addict tho!
>his office was messy once!
>er...you don't have a dad!
>er...wash your dick!
>his daughter is a slut!
>he likes the Jews!
>he's controlled opposition!
Still triggering trannies who don't like the truth, libtards who propagandize, racists he won't associate with, and pseuds who can't tell the difference between a media personality and real life.

[Anonymous No.23380522]

>>23379178
Yeah, I thought it was pretty inspiring stuff. I still think about it often and view it as legitimately great advice. Seeing anons shit all over him and his work for arbitrary reasons used to enrage me after I first listened to 12 Rules because I couldn’t understand why they hated him so much, but it can’t be helped.

If you’re curious, then I suggest checking it out OP. There is absolutely nothing in the book to suggest that he wasn’t being logical and sincere when he wrote it.

[Anonymous No.23380934]

>>23379440
This is pretty stupid. You could reduce anything this way. Peterson's whole thing was using psychiatry and evolution and whatever else to justify "common sense ideas" that weren't so common and were often vilified (such as hierarchies being natural). He was using extensive justification for presenting an alternate worldview to young men mislead by the mainstream.

[Anonymous No.23380938]

>>23379440
This is pretty stupid. You could reduce anything this way. Peterson's whole thing was using psychiatry and evolution and whatever else to justify "common sense ideas" that weren't so common and were often vilified (such as hierarchies being natural). He was using extensive justification for presenting an alternate worldview to young men mislead by the mainstream.

>>23380482
This on the other hand is an actual worthwhile criticism. In other words, just stick to the lectures if you like this stuff.

[Anonymous No.23380942]

>>23380938
>You could reduce anything this way
No? You can't reduce that way things that don't have demoralization propaganda.
Fucking dishonest retard, fuck off

[Anonymous No.23380947]

>>23380522
>because I couldn’t understand why they hated him so much
have you tried reading what they said

[Anonymous No.23380963]

Maybe self help isn't about propositional knowledge, maybe it's more like going to the gym, a process that isn't supposed to ever be completed.

[Anonymous No.23381001]

>>23380500
you're the only one who looks triggered to me, posting this everywhere

[Anonymous No.23381058]

>>23379178
Never read it, so i guess my opinion is irellevant, but

>Table of Contents:
> Stand up straight with your shoulders back
> Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping
> Make friends with people who want the best for you
> Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today
> Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them
> Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world
> Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)
> Tell the truth--or, at least, don't lie
> Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't
> Be precise in your speech
> Do not bother children when they are skateboarding
> Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street.
Sounds like a collection of 'live laugh love' '''rules''' that are either obvious or meaningless.

Also, don't pet random animals without the owner's consent.

[Anonymous No.23381103]

>>23381058
>> Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street.
Great way to get a shitload of diseases.

[Anonymous No.23381162]

>>23381058
> Be precise in your speech
If he doesn't even follow his own rules, why should I?

[Anonymous No.23381174]

>>23381103
It's just "touch grass" but worded differently, stop being so autistic.
He basically outlines basic psychotherapy approach with steps to try and follow it yourself, no wonder this place rejects him. We reject help, we enjoy our misery.

[Anonymous No.23381439]

>>23379178
Peterson's own life is a mess. You'd be crazy to take advice from him.

[Anonymous No.23381722]

>>23380500
Posted the pasta again award, take this (you) kind stranger!

[Anonymous No.23381764]

>>23380500
natural hierarchies is cuck mentality and slave morality

[Anonymous No.23381779]

>>23381174
A book like that simply can't cure any even semi-serious mental illness.

[Anonymous No.23381785]

>>23381764
And betas like you seethe about it constantly.

[Anonymous No.23381794]

>>23381439
>benzo addict
>shameless philosemite. i've seen israeli's who didnt shill israel as much as peterstein
>twice divorced egrifter daughter
>Canadian

four strikes. he's beyond out

[Anonymous No.23382547]

>>23381058
>clinical psychologist with decades of experience
>can only come up with 1 good rule out of 12 (pursue what is meaning not what is expedient)
So this is the power of clinical psychology...

[Anonymous No.23382579]

>>23381058
I pet all random animals I meet without giving a fuck about possible owners giving their consent and you can't stop me

[Anonymous No.23382791]

>>23382579
>I pet all random animals I meet
Based.
>you can't stop me
NTA and I'll add no sane person would.

[Anonymous No.23382793]

>>23381794
>>benzo addict
False.
>>shameless philosemite. i've seen israeli's who didnt shill israel as much as peterstein
Chud.
>>twice divorced egrifter daughter
False. Divorced once and seeing as it's not 1950...lol
>>Canadian
Based.