Game of Thrones

[Anonymous No.2910774]

So, someone I work with managed to convince me to buy and try reading The Game of Thrones. (Which apparently has a TV series too).

It's kind of... Not good. I'm a prologue and three chapters in.


So far, a criminal, a veteran and a limpwristed lordling thought and talked a bit about nipples (or 'teats'), then a magic iceman stabbed the lordling to death AND ALSO THEN FROZE HIM TO DOUBLE-DEATH.

Then some lord had his children watch him cut off a guy's head and tried to engage them in conversation about it. Some mention of nipples. Everyone gets a baby dire wolf (nipples), including his illegitimate son who just kind of hangs out with the main family.

THEN you're introduced to a brother and sister. He immediately caresses her breast before grabbing and twisting her nipple. But that's not actually weird (?) because brother-sister incest marriage is a centuries old tradition in their family (they are the evil characters, I guess).

[Anonymous No.2910781]

Then I googled the book and the authors face apparently looks like that

[Anonymous No.2910783]

2/10

[Anonymous No.2910787]

What's your point OP? It's fantasy. It's disliked here. I've read the whole series because a friend railed on me about it and it was alright. Show is better, drags a lot less.

What do you want us to tell you?

[Anonymous No.2910793]

Oh, I guess nothing. I assumed that /lit/ were a big pile of weird fantasy nipple game of thrones fans and wanted an explanation

[Anonymous No.2910796]

Put it down and read the First Law Trilogy by Joe Abercombie, if you want good fantasy. In hindsight, I liked the first book less because I constantly compared it to ASoIF.

[Anonymous No.2910797]

Are nipples an on-going motif? What do they represent

[Anonymous No.2910799]

>>2910796
I'm going to trust you here, if this is also terrible I'm going to be literally so mad

[Anonymous No.2910853]

>>2910796
>if you want good fantasy
I read The First Law and I liked it well enough, some of the character traits don't fit too well though.
Aside from a few interesting lore elements, his world-building skills are not so good. Plus, he's recycling LOTS of things from other books it got a little ridiculous past a certain point.

You make them sound like they were the best books ever.

[Anonymous No.2910865]

>>2910796
>Good
>Fantasy
Pick one

[Anonymous No.2910867]

>>2910865
I'm afraid, Madam, this is one of those rare occasions where I get to pick both.

[Anonymous No.2910870]

>>2910867
Nope.

[Anonymous No.2910877]

There are plenty of actual criticisms you could have made about the books instead of summarising the plot- you're probably the last person on the internet to read ASOIAF, you don't really need to tell everyone what happens.

[Anonymous No.2910881]

>>2910877
I think he's one of those people who think they're funny, but are really just try-hard and stupid.

[Anonymous No.2911094]

>>2910881
Aside from the over mention of nipples he didn't even bring up any real criticisms.

[Anonymous No.2911182]

I've gotten addicted to the show.

I went through both seasons in about a week. I have no interest in the books though, thanks for keeping it that way,.

[Anonymous No.2911193]

>>2911182

the books are about 100 times better than the show.

but we won't tell anyone, wouldn't want to ruin your /lit/ cred.

love something in one medium, won't consider it in its original medium. only on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.2911198]

>>2911193

Well, mainly I've got a ton of other books to read and I don't feel like interrupting my backlog for an entire series.

But hey, sure, I'm just being pretentious

[Anonymous No.2911213]

I read a lot but have very little interest in fantasy. I have read the ASOIAF series though and the first three books in particular are very good by any standard, people shouldn't be scared off by the genre. (If you're going to be scared off by anything it should be the long wait between books and declining quality as the series goes on)

[Anonymous No.2911624]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuIUXty2w_uQdHNEQ0pwcG4tZDZncURKbGlua0p6d0E#gid=0

Don't get into these books, /lit/.

[Anonymous No.2911648]

That feel when I've read all of these books before any of you faggots were closed to hearing about them

hipsterfeels

[Anonymous No.2911685]

I lol'd heartily at your synopsis of the first few chapters.

But really, the main attraction of the book is that it's set in this quite realistic fantasy setting. The politics are heavily drawn from real-life Feudal monarchy of Middle-Ages and the iconic symbolism behind the houses, such as Stark (strong in German) with their Direwolf sigil or the Lannister house and their oh-so original lion, lumped with paragraphs after paragraphs of teats and rape descriptions make it simply a well-marketed fantasy book...Without much fantasy stuff in it.
I mean, Martin tries to avoid all the bullshit that other fantasy writers rely upon such as the idealistic race of the elves or hardy dwarves, there is after all only one race, the human. There is nearly no magic involved though as you yourself can see by the epilogue, there are paranormal aspects, but for most of the first book there is hardly any mention of them. Even characters in the book hardly believe in mythical creatures and magic.
Of course, as the story progresses the more fantastical it becomes. It is really why I personally prefer the first one to the rest of them. It just gives one a perverted narrative of alternative universe based on Feudal Europe. It is also no use comparing any fantasy book to high literature that has survived sometimes for centuries and to this day is highly studied and praised. Fantasy is a passing fetish, it is not a reaction to the society the book is written in nor a commentary on life and its meaning. Read it as if you were watching Dragon Ball Z.

[Anonymous No.2911688]

>>2910797
Breasts

[Anonymous No.2911692]

>>2910797
They represent life flourishing.

[Anonymous No.2911751]

>>2911685
I agree with you, but
>there is after all only one race, the human

Giants, Others, Children of the Forest...

[Anonymous No.2911796]

>>2911648
I read them about 10 years ago, before Feast came out. I've never gone back to the series.

[Anonymous No.2912112]

>mfw someone says ASOIAF is bad.

[Anonymous No.2912119]

>>2910865
derp

[Anonymous No.2912144]

>>2912112
Seriously, read more books.

ASoIaF is an adult equivalent of Harry Potter or Twilight: an average, boring book that appeals to the demographic who doesn't read books.

The only reason you like it is because you haven't read anything better.

[Anonymous No.2912154]

>>2912144
>ASoIaF is an adult equivalent of Harry Potter or Twilight
You haven't read ASoIaF, Harry Potter or Twilight.

[Anonymous No.2912185]

>>2912144
>ASoIaF is an adult equivalent of Harry Potter or Twilight

Each time I see people like you feel the need to contribute to the 'Asoiaf is for man-children' movement I die a little inside. It has become the worst and most pathetic kind of bandwagon I've ever seen on 4chan. I could count on one hand the number of times I've seen /lit/ present a remotely intelligent critique of this series.

Can't even /lit/ be free of childish trolling?

[Anonymous No.2912188]

>>2912185
It's not just for man-children, there's also a strong following of women. Just like Harry Potter. Except for adults.

It's not great literature, and I would by no means be dissappointed if he died before completing the series.

[Anonymous No.2912189]

>>2912185
> Each time I see people like you feel the need to contribute to the 'Asoiaf is for man-children' movement I die a little inside.

Shit, you really _are_ illiterate.

I didn't say that ASoIaF is for man-children. What I said is that it appeals to adults who don't read books, in the same way as Harry Potter appeals to kids who don't read books.

That's the true reason why both works are so immensely popular -- the market for people who don't read books is much bigger than the market for people who do.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912191]

>>2912185

> Can't even /lit/ be free of childish trolling?

What part of 'fantasy isn't literature' is unclear to you? Of course this will happen every time you drag this shit out here. This is /lit/. The funny part is, the person you're whining at wasn't even saying that, but such is your touchiness and immaturity, you immediately set up your same old moan.

[Anonymous No.2912192]

>>2912144
>ASoIaF is an adult equivalent of Harry Potter or Twilight
why not compare it to lord of the rings, then?

[Anonymous No.2912198]

>>2911182
You're being taken by a troll.

If you're not the typical english literature student who is taught which books are good (ie only prose literature), then there is a very good chance you'll love the series. They aren't the kind of works where their quality is clearly evident in its flowery prose. The writing is intentionally simple but extremely affective at building an alternate reality about you and loosing yourself in it and its inhabitants. The author's writing style is kind of a secondary priority that serves the books' main strengths; namely, the characters, their examination of the human condition, and the nature of the world they live in. These books are really quite remarkable.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912201]

>>2912198

This post is basically saying 'you'll love phrenology if you haven't been taken in by Jewish science'. Begone, begone, begone.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912206]

Seriously, you don't even know what 'prose' means. Give it up.

[Anonymous No.2912207]

>>2912191
>What part of 'fantasy isn't literature' is unclear to you?
You really aren't doing yourself any favours if you're trying to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.2912210]

>>2912201
Grow up, kid.

[Anonymous No.2912212]

>>2912144
If you'd known hardcore fantasy neckbeards outside of internet and especially 4chan, you'd see most of them LOVE ASoIaF.
I'm not even a fan, I just hate retards who thinks hating on popular stuff makes them special and smarter.
Also, I know I've been trolled.

[Anonymous No.2912214]

>>2910796
>Enjoy ASOIAF
>Really enjoy all of KJ Parker's works
>Look for similar authors
>Joe Abercrombie mentioned everywhere for both authors
>Excited as hell to read his stuff
>Pick up The Blade Itself
>Fucking terrible

Am I the only fan of GRRM and KJP who thinks Abercrombie is just awful? Seriously, I thought this opinion would be widespread, but I have yet to find anyone who shares it.

[Anonymous No.2912215]

>>2912201
You only say that because of the large skull bump enlarging your nose. Phrenology works!

[Anonymous No.2912218]

>>2912201
>>2912191
>fantasy isn't literature
>begone, begone, begone
oh shit, this must be troll, otherwise really fucked up person

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912221]

>>2912207

Nobody cares whether fantasy fans take them seriously, they've disqualified themselves from society. How many times do you need to be given your lesson?


>>2912210

That's inadequate when the truth is being told.


>>2912215

Except it doesn't.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912223]

>>2912218

No, I'm one of the people you're begging to respect you. We don't. Move on.

[Anonymous No.2912226]

>>2912223
Tell me of your achievements and profession, then I'll say if your respect means anything to me

[Anonymous No.2912227]

>>2912201
>>2912223
pretty much what it comes down to

/thread

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912230]

>>2912226

No, no, learn to read. >>2912223.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912233]

>>2912227

Yep.

[Anonymous No.2912237]

>>2912214

No, I was very disappointed by his stuff and I have no idea why. The Blade Itself sounded like something I'd really enjoy, but I gave up after slogging through the first 100 pages. The weird thing is that I can't put my finger on anything he does glaringly wrong. It seems to be a decent fantasy novel in all respects and I just couldn't get into it.

[Anonymous No.2912244]

>>2912221
>>2912223
He's like /lit/'s very own abatap.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912248]

>>2912244

Who are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.2912250]

>>2912237
I know what you mean. I gave it up as the characters being simplistic and boring, although they were honestly a cut above the typical fantasy menagerie. I think what was initially a mild dislike became an unreasonable disgust simply because he was so highly praised everywhere I looked. Unfair of me, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.2912252]

>>2912221
Well, this tripfag got boring pretty quickly.
Could we get back Deep&Edgy? Please.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912254]

>>2912252

You keep acting as though you're speaking for anyone, but you're alone. I'm not here for your entertainment, in fact the reverse is true.

[Anonymous No.2912258]

>>2912248
Ahab, I will unzip my flies and let you suck on my balls. They say everyone has one thing they are good at, and I'm sure that will suit you. You're definately not suited for trolling, you just come off as an idiot.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912260]

>>2912258

I'm not trolling, I'm repeatedly stating the truth. Stop lying about me, stop lying about yourself, and stop lying to yourself about art.

[Anonymous No.2912261]

>>2912254
Actually, I'm not the guy you're arguing with, that was my second post in this thread. Faggot.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912267]

>>2912261

Stop wasting your time, then. The truth isn't going to stop being told.

[Anonymous No.2912269]

Ahab: Worst tripfag since Sunhawk.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912271]

>>2912269

Who is it you think you're talking to? You're ALONE HERE. How many times, in how many fucking flavors, do you want your lesson? This is /lit/.

[Anonymous No.2912273]

>>2912271
>several people disagree with my retarded opinion
>must be samefag!

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912281]

>>2912273

No, that's not what I said at all. Read everything I said again.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912284]

I have repeatedly stated a fact. You can whine all you want, the fact remains a fact, and will be restated anytime you want.

[Anonymous No.2912292]

>>2912201
>>2912191
>>2912227

This was the end of the thread.

[Anonymous No.2912416]

>>2911685

Dany walked through fire to birth dragons. The Stark kids can control wolves. Assassins can completely change their faces in a flash. Many people are resurrected. Melisandre gives birth to crazy shadow creatures. Red priests in general are ridiculously powerful. Drogo is kept alive by blood magic, which is a pretty common practice. The whole House of the Undying thing. Shit loads of people are psychic and there are prophecies everywhere. The Wall is magic... etc, etc.

I'd go as far to say that Lord of the rings has a story less influenced by magic than ASoIaF.

Not that that's a criticism.

[Anonymous No.2912440]

>>2912191
>What part of 'fantasy isn't literature' is unclear to you?
You don't know the definition of literature, opinion disregarded.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912456]

>>2912440

You are wrong, attempt to restart defeated thread disregarded.

[Anonymous No.2912472]

>>2912456
>Literature (from Latin litterae (plural); letter) is the art of written work
Holy shit how long would it have taken to just google the fucking definition instead of blabbering like an shitposting idiot in a dead thread you fucking autist? Go die you cancer.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912478]

>>2912472

This won't work, you restarted the thread in an attempt to salvage it, and your use of 'autist' is a projection - any dictionary citation you like still isn't going to enable you to discuss GRRM here without the mockery you deserve.

[Anonymous No.2912483]

So why isn't fantasy literature?

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912485]

>>2912483

Short version: because fantasizing isn't imagining.

[Anonymous No.2912487]

>>2912485
>>2912483
He's an idiot who's probably never had a single course on literature. Literature is the art of written work period.

[Anonymous No.2912488]

>>2912485
I'm not a very clever person, could I get the longer version?

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912490]

>>2912487

> had a single course on literature
> had a single course
> had a course

lel

[Anonymous No.2912492]

>>2912485
Ahab I'm beginning to like you... let's be friends?

[Anonymous No.2912494]

>>2912490
You're still an idiot or an annoying shitposter, possibly both. Go away.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912505]

>>2912488

OK, the longer version is that literature is about engaging with the world imaginatively, whereas fantasy is about escaping from the world fantastically. You don't finish reading a literary novel and think 'gee if only the world were like that' because you haven't been given something to replace the real world, you've shared a consciousness, increased your sense of the excitement and possibility - the multivalence of the real. Literature and fantasy - it's like the difference between a window and a child's drawing.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912507]

>>2912492

Sure!

[Anonymous No.2912509]

>>2912505
Okay, that makes sense and I thought that's what you meant with the short version.
Where do you draw the line between fantasy and literature, though? Is literature strictly limited to written works set in the past or present of our reality?

[Anonymous No.2912512]

>>2912505
>OK, the longer version is that literature is about engaging with the world imaginatively,
Nope
>whereas fantasy is about escaping from the world fantastically.
Nope.

>You don't finish reading a literary novel and think 'gee if only the world were like that'
But no one does that after finishing a fantasy novel.

>you've shared a consciousness, increased your sense of the excitement and possibility - the multivalence of the real
Pseudo-intellectual gibberish.

>Literature and fantasy - it's like the difference between a window and a child's drawing.
The Epic of Gilgamesh, the Bible, the Iliad, the Odyssey, many works by Kafka can be considered fantasy. I could go on. I suggest you should stop trying to fit what seems /lit/-core because not only you fail pathetically, but you have absolutely no actual literary knowledge unlike Deep&Edgy and the like. Please go. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.2912518]

>>2912509
>>2912505
>>2912488
>>2912485
>>2912483
>>2912478
>>2912271
>>2912267
>>2912260
>>2912254
>>2912248
>>2912244
>>2912230
>>2912223
>>2912227
>>2912233
>>2912292
Every post has been made by the same person.

[Anonymous No.2912522]

>>2912518
These three
>>2912483
>>2912488
>>2912509
Are mine. I'm not that guy. I've only just decided to visit /lit/ regularly so I can learn more about literature. I don't necessarily agree with the tripfag and I suspect he's trolling, but I'm taking a neutral position (instead of arguing with him) so that I can understand what he believes.

Sorry for feeding the troll, if that's what he is.

[Anonymous No.2912524]

>>2912512
Hilariously enough, the difference between a window and a child's drawing is that the child's drawing is a work of art.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912534]

>>2912494

I'm not an idiot or a shitposter. If I annoy someone whose intent is so obviously to foster a false understanding of literature, I must be doing something right. No, I probably won't.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912539]

>>2912512

The usual lies. No, I understand literature, no, I won't be going away.

I'm not a troll. The person accusing me of being one is morally on the level of a Holocaust denier.


>>2912524

Of course the child's drawing isn't a work of art. Here, the deep root that special pleading for crap has in your mind becomes apparent. I won't be able to give you all the lessons you need in life on my own.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912540]

>>2912518

No. Stop begging for your discipline - you won't discuss fantasy here.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912547]

I haven't posted as anyone else - the conversation is real conversation, impossible as it may be for your stunted mind to imagine that anyone could address me open-mindedly. The record will show - if you have records of these shitty threads - that I am perfectly capable of maintaining order for as long as neccesary, providing I don't get bored. My record is thirteen hours.

[Anonymous No.2912550]

>>2912524
Awww snap.

[Anonymous No.2912551]

>>2912543
>>2912547
>deleting your post because you didn't insult the poster enough
lel

[Anonymous No.2912555]

>>2912539
Oh God you have no idea what you're talking about. Please hold the shitfest, you're just embarrassing yourself.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912559]

>>2912551

That wasn't the main reason for my deletion but I did decide to add some value while I was adjusting it.
>>2912555

Why do you keep begging me to respect you? I do know what I'm talking about, and I cannot be embarrassed by the imagined reaction of people I esteem no higher than I would pedophiles. Do you have any real questions or are you going to keep stamping your foot?

[Anonymous No.2912566]

>>2912559
>Why do you keep begging me to respect you?
I'm begging you to leave this place alone and shitpost elsewhere. How is that not hard to understand? Even fucking Sunhawk is better than you and that's saying a lot.

>I cannot be embarrassed by the imagined reaction of people I esteem no higher than I would pedophiles
This sentence is retarded on so many levels I don't know where to start. Oh fuck.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912567]

Fantasy is about what I've stated it is about.

> But no one does that after finishing a fantasy novel.

Perhaps not literally, but the damage the genre does to its junkies' ability to speak and socialize speaks for itself.


> Pseudo-intellectual gibberish.

No.


> The Epic of Gilgamesh, the Bible, the Iliad, the Odyssey, many works by Kafka can be considered fantasy.

Only by lying scum. Myth, legend and allegorical magic realism are not to be compared to bullshit about vikings printed on toilet tissue.

[Anonymous No.2912568]

I'm a big fan of fantasy writing, and yes, of course its escapist. I can have a wonderful time reading through a fantasy novel and not give two shits about anything happening in reality for a number of hours.

I mean, from the perspective of a scientist, I think that the Universe is the most interesting place in existence. Science, which is EXPLICITLY about the real world around us, is really fucking exciting. That isn't to say, though, that I can't have a good time reading about a Universe in which I might have been pouring through ancient tomes to find a spell rather than pouring through a Physics book to find an equation.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912570]

>>2912566

You aren't going to be able to post a thread about fantasy on here without somebody speaking the truth. Often more than one person. Deal with it. I'm not shitposting - you don't know the meaning of the term - I'm telling the truth while you lie.

What's retarded is that you continue to backchat your better when literally the only person who gives a fuck is you. You're not even on-topic.

[Anonymous No.2912572]

>>2912568
All fiction is escapist by definition.

[Anonymous No.2912574]

>>2912570
I give a fuck too, so that makes us at least two persons. You're the only one sad, obnoxious autist.

[Anonymous No.2912575]

>>2912509
This question still hasn't been answered.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912577]

>>2912568

> I mean, from the perspective of a scientist, I think that the Universe is the most interesting place in existence. Science, which is EXPLICITLY about the real world around us, is really fucking exciting.

You may have noticed that literature tends to be set in the universe.

[Anonymous No.2912578]

>>2912551
and you didn't even sage that? This grand insight? I know this is the worst (despite Ahab's efforts) thread on the board right now except for towels, but come on man.

>>2912555
this thread ended some 50 posts ago, though, I don't know why people are still arguing the point. Are you actually saying a child's drawing is somehow pleasing to the eye in and of itself?

>>2912568
You can't be serious.

>>2912572
Keep telling yourself that.

[Anonymous No.2912580]

>>2912578
nokosage.

[Anonymous No.2912582]

>>2912572

Of course, but that doesn't need to carry a negative connotation with it. It's escapist in the sense that it isn't explicitly about reality. Is it escapist to spend a couple of hours reading a book that's set in a completely fictional realm of existence? Probably. Can I enjoy it for that couple of hours and then go back to living life like normal? Certainly.

I'm not trying to "escape" from reality or anything, it's just that fantasy writing, for me personally, is enjoyable to read. I also think that reading about economics is enjoyable, so I do that too. I also think jacking off is enjoyable, so I do that too.

[Anonymous No.2912583]

God, this tripfag is so annoying.
Such a pretentious faggot with the worst attempt to show some personality the world has ever seen.
Plus he can't avoid responding to fucking everyone so either he's samefagging hard or he's really THAT insecure.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912584]

>>2912574

But I'm not sad, it doesn't matter to me whether you find me obnoxious, and I'm not autistic. Whereas you ARE fantasy readers. So you're at a disadvantage here.


>>2912578

At last, another real person!

> this thread ended some 50 posts ago, though, I don't know why people are still arguing the point.

THANK YOU.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912586]

>>2912583

Who is it you think you're talking to, you dumb motherfucker? The world isn't looking! This is you begging me for approval and me saying 'no'.

[Anonymous No.2912587]

>>2912577

>You may have noticed that literature tends to be set in the universe.

This is probably one of the more apt definitions of "literature" from the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

a (1) : writings in prose or verse; especially : writings having excellence of form or expression and expressing ideas of permanent or universal interest (2) : an example of such writings <what came out, though rarely literature, was always a roaring good story — People>

Let's take, say, Tolkien. Sure, his writing isn't set in our Universe, but it's done pretty well in terms of expressing ideas of permanent interest so far, as evidenced by its remaining popularity.

[Anonymous No.2912589]

>>2912586
better cure that asperger shit, bro.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912592]

>>2912587

But Tolkien doesn't have excellence of form or expression, and the definition you quoted itself includes an acknowledgement that some kinds of narrative writing aren't literature (the People quote).

As you well know, people don't read that shit because they're interested in its 'ideas', they enjoy the feelings it creates in them and then retrospectively try to intellectually justify its 'ideas'. Porn is permanently interesting to an audience of masturbators. Fantasy is permanently interesting to fantasists.

[Anonymous No.2912593]

>>2912584
Go there: http://fenoxo.com/play/
don't come back until you cum
thank you

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912594]

>>2912589

I am not autistic, you are a fantasy reader. Again, I withhold my permission to approve of yourself.

[Anonymous No.2912596]

>>2912593

Report submitted.

[Anonymous No.2912597]

>>2912594
i will pay money if you stop going to /lit/
why do you inflict your presence on us?
please just begone
away
shoo
we don't want you

[Anonymous No.2912599]

>>2912596
Announcing reports is against the rules.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912601]

>>2912597

What 'us'? What 'we'? /lit/ is for readers, not fantasists. It is my posting, not yours, that represents what /lit/ is really about. You've been told this before, if you've been posting here for any length of time. You may even have been told it by me. You are the interloper, you are the insurgent, and you will never start a thread on this subject that doesn't end in this way here. This is /lit/ - Literature.

[Anonymous No.2912602]

Don't worry OP, the TV show is the same cesspool of festering dick. Hands down easily one of the most boring shows I've ever forced myself to watch, I would rather get flicked in the forehead over and over while burning off my pubic hair than to have to work up the valiant courage to read/watch even 5 minutes of the series again.

Anyone who says they like this show either says it because they're pretentious artsy faggots, so much so they enjoy smelling their farts tremendously - or a genuinely vapid person with a godsent attention span and the taste of a common retard.

Fuck this bullshit, just because a show is in a certain time period doesn't make it good.

[Anonymous No.2912604]

>>2912601
>. It is my posting, not yours, that represents what /lit/ is really about. You've been told this before, if you've been posting here for any length of time. You may even have been told it by me. You are the interloper, you are the insurgent, and you will never start a thread on this subject that doesn't end in this way here. This is /lit/ - Literature.
i think the worst past is you may actually believe that

[Anonymous No.2912605]

>>2912592

>But Tolkien doesn't have excellence of form or expression

*Ahem*. That may be so, but that is a completely and utterly subjective statement. There's plenty of people who would attest to the opposite, although I certainly agree that his style could be, at times, discouraging.

>and the definition you quoted itself includes an acknowledgement that some kinds of narrative writing aren't literature (the People quote).

Of course. But under this Merriam-Webster definition of literature, fantasy most certainly counts. Let's even go so far as to say that EVERY fantasy writing ever is devoid of excellence of form or universal interest. It STILL fits the definition of literature, it's just not particularly GOOD literature.

>As you well know, people don't read that shit because they're interested in its 'ideas', they enjoy the feelings it creates in them and then retrospectively try to intellectually justify its 'ideas'. Porn is permanently interesting to an audience of masturbators. Fantasy is permanently interesting to fantasists.

Intellectual justification? Do you have some personal vendetta against doing enjoyable things? Of COURSE fantasy is read for the feelings it creates. Shit, ANYTHING is done for the feelings it creates, whether they bolster your intellectual validity or not.

All I'm hearing from you is, "stop liking what I don't like." Pic related.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912608]

>>2912599

Cool, I'm patient.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912614]

>>2912604

The worst part is you're addicted to posting about shit because you're too damaged to read books for vertebrates.


>>2912605

No, it's fact, he was shit. The people who'll attest otherwise either find the shitness interesting - which I did, up to a point - or just lack discernment. I think you could find a thousand people to say he's a superb stylist but they all have cowboy hats and leather trenchcoats.

No, by the very definition you posted, no fantasy does fit the definition, because the derivative, the cliched and the recycled are nobody's idea of 'excellence of form', and the entire genre consists of derivative, cliched or recycled writing, tropes and characterizations.

I have no objection to junkies getting their methadone, but don't call it food.

The reason that's all you're hearing is because you're predisposed to keep on taking the drug. That's to be expected.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912617]

>>2912602

Some great phraseology here!

[Anonymous No.2912618]

>>2912614
see
>>2912587
>especially
You're missing this part. They don't necessarily have to have excellence of form or expression, it just makes them better.

[Anonymous No.2912619]

>>2912617
Ahab, you ridiculous autist. At this point you are essentially the only person in this thread. You are humiliating yourself, and embarrassing those of us who enjoy literature. Please shut up.

[Anonymous No.2912630]

>>2912614

>No, it's fact, he was shit. The people who'll attest otherwise either find the shitness interesting - which I did, up to a point - or just lack discernment.

In other words, "if I don't like something, than it is a universally objective truth that it is bad." I'll write that one down.

>I think you could find a thousand people to say he's a superb stylist but they all have cowboy hats and leather trenchcoats.

Blatant and utter ad hominem.

>No, by the very definition you posted, no fantasy does fit the definition, because the derivative, the cliched and the recycled are nobody's idea of 'excellence of form', and the entire genre consists of derivative, cliched or recycled writing, tropes and characterizations.

Again - that is your own subjective opinion, and again, go read the definition more carefully. It defines literature as, "writings in prose or verse," and THEN goes on to add the qualifier "especially" to characterize it further. Again, even if we decide that all fantasy is devoid of any artistic merit, valuable thought, or enjoyable style, it could still be considered, simply put, shitty literature.

cont...

[Anonymous No.2912632]

>>2912630

>I have no objection to junkies getting their methadone, but don't call it food.

See my first statement.

>The reason that's all you're hearing is because you're predisposed to keep on taking the drug. That's to be expected.

See my first statement.

Ultimately, you're coming across as somebody with such a great personal vendetta against a widely accepted and enjoyed form of writing that you can't even stand the thought of its legitimacy in any way, shape, or form. My personal recommendation would be to seek psychiatric help, as getting so blatantly asspained about an issue that affects you in the slightest of possible ways is more than likely a sign of an incredibly unstable ego.

I'm off to make a Ramelette and then go to the bank. I would say it's been nice conversing with you, but I must conclude, it would have been much more satisfying, and even more intellectually stimulating, to have spent this time reading fantasy.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912640]

>>2912618

That's not quite what 'especially' means in the context of a dictionary definition.


>>2912619

Why do you keep making the same posts? You've already been told the thread is ended. There is no 'us', your obsession with degrading /lit/ and preventing literary discussion is a one-man crusade, and the opinions of shit-eaters don't concern me.

[Anonymous No.2912644]

>>2912640
>Why do you keep making the same posts? You've already been told the thread is ended. There is no 'us', your obsession with degrading /lit/ and preventing literary discussion is a one-man crusade, and the opinions of shit-eaters don't concern me.

I haven't posted at all in this thread, bar that one post notifying you how autistic you are. This thread has ended, and you are the only person continuing to post in it. You're horribly insecure in your own opinions, to the extent that you can't bear for anyone else to have conflicting opinion, and every post you make about 'high-literature' just embarrasses both you and everyone who actually cares about books on this board.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912648]

>>2912630

No, in other words there are objective criteria of aesthetic merit, and if you deny that all you achieve is your exclusion from the discussion.

No, it's just true. It's also true that everyone judges them for it.

No, that's not quite what 'especially' means in dictionary definitions.

No, nobody I give a fuck about regards it as legitimate. My sole business on this thread is to state a fact as self-evident as gravity to most people who would ever discuss literature in the real world. Only here is it a big deal, because there are people here who, if forbidden to include fantasy titles, would have a library of about three books. Sorry you bought the merchandise guys, but the thing to do now is start really reading, not complaining and mewling and special pleading. My ego is sound, thanks for your concern.

Enjoy your Ramelette. Have a good one. Try to stop equating 'easier' with 'more satisfying'!

Bye!

[Anonymous No.2912654]

>>2912648

[Anonymous No.2912663]

>>2912648
Jesus, you're pathetic. Hey everybody, look at how pathetic this guy is.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912664]

>>2912644

You're simply lying.

No, I'm not insecure, I'm just not letting you shit the board. You're like a pedophile calling a parent insecure for not letting her child sit on his knee.

I have never used the formulation 'high-literature' in my life. Learn to fucking read, and you'll stop making these errors. Again, YOU. ARE. ALONE. YOU. DO. NOT. REPRESENT. SHIT. I'm not to be swayed by this idea you keep burbling about me being 'embarrassed'. I'm not, and nor is anyone else. I don't hold myself to the standard of curs, so why would the opinion of curs bother me? Nobody who cares about literature would find anything to blush at in my recurring statement of fact. Give up.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912665]

>>2912654

There we are, as I thought, the same weak guy again.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912669]

>>2912663

Baldest version yet of the same schtick. I told you the thread was over. These other people you're begging to pile in and help you - they can READ. The thread is over = THE THREAD IS OVER. The rest of the time has been you begging me for respect, which I have withheld, as I watched you slide down, abasing yourself further in frantic playing to an imagined gallery. The thread is over. Enjoy.

[Anonymous No.2912674]

>>2912664
I don't think you seem to understand what I'm saying. I have only posted twice in this thread, both times to tell you to shut up. I actually agree with you for the most part, and so obviously I'm not telling you to shut the fuck up in order to suppress you because I dislike you disagreeing with me. I do not think ASOIAF is a good book series, nor do I think George R. R. Martin is anything close to a proficient author. My favourite book is The Name of the Rose, and I am currently reading Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino. I'm telling you to shut up because you are a pathetic, autistic, neckbeard, who rarely succeeds in doing anything other than embarrassing everyone on this board. This is my third post in this thread, and this will be my last.

Please shut up, and please stop accusing everyone who disagrees with you of samefagging, It's just really, really sad.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912681]

>>2912674

What the fuck are you even talking about? Who is this 'everyone'?

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912685]

>>2912674

> Please shut up, and please stop accusing everyone who disagrees with you of samefagging, It's just really, really sad.
> Please shut up
> Please

Ha, lying piece of shit! I still welcome your polling data on everyone finding statements of truth embarrassing. You are mistaken. I was here before you got here, I'll be here after you go to jail.

[Anonymous No.2912687]

>>2912685
>>2912681
You are so autistic it hurts.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912689]

>>2912674

> so obviously I'm not telling you to shut the fuck up in order to suppress you because I dislike you disagreeing with me.

I'm not throwing the futile 'autistic' insult around when I say that this is what autists think conversation sounds like.

[Anonymous No.2912690]

>>2912689
Oh right, because that sentence made so much sense.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912691]

>>2912687

Again, the problem for you here is that I am not autistic and you ARE A FANTASY READER. I don't have to make shit up to traduce you; you have to fantasize to make yourself feel better about continually stepping up to be humiliated by me.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912692]

>>2912690

The one I quoted made sense, it was just appallingly put together.

[Anonymous No.2912694]

>>2912691
BUT I'M NOT A FANTASY READER. I AM NOT THE OP OF THIS THREAD, NOR AM I ANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD WHO HAVE BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR THE INDUCTION OF GAME OF THRONES IN TO THE WESTERN CANON. I AM AN INDEPENDENT FUCKING /LIT/ BROWSER, WHO IS FRANKLY FUCKING APPALLED AT HOW HORRIBLY OPINIONATED, IGNORANT, AGGRAVATING , ANNOYING, AUTISTIC AND FUCKING GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE YOU ARE. JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912696]

>>2912694

Could you please tell me, if you care about literature, what is appalling you? Would you rather have three GRRM threads on the front page? Because that's how things used to be.

[Anonymous No.2912697]

>>2912696
You are the only person fucking bumping these threads. You are literally, roughly three quarters of the posts in this thread. This thread would have died hours ago were it not for you.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912698]

'Opinionated' as a criticism speaks volumes about the person using it.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912700]

>>2912697

If you check the times, you'll find the thread was ended in short order, but then revived, so I returned. Do you really think that if I stopped replying the thread would drop? I reply only when they post.

[Anonymous No.2912747]

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912763]

I told you so, self-righteous anon.

[Anonymous No.2912771]

>>2912763
>bumping and deleting your own post
How pathetic. Do you really crave for attention that much.

[Anonymous No.2912782]

>>2912771
leave him be, he just wants to be approved.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912799]

>>2912771
>>2912782

Who are you trying to kid? You bumped the thread yourself, but it has no currency except as a would-be irritant to me. Again, I withhold my approval. You won't discuss fantasy here.

[Anonymous No.2912810]

>>2912799
yeah right kid

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912852]

>>2912810

lel

[Anonymous No.2912894]

worst thread ever

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912898]

>>2912894

Nah, the worst thread ever would be a successful GRRM thread.

[Anonymous No.2912929]

I just finished reading through this thread. Ahab, perhaps the genre of fantasy itself imposes a quality limit on every title falling under its category due to its nature, therefore making even the best fantasy titles merely average in comparison to non-fantasy books. We could discuss that if you like. Some might even agree with you. However, fantasy is literature. It literally is literature. You've tried to argue that but it is an unrealistic and, frankly, pointless pursuit because your concerns can be addressed and appeased in a less absolute and alienating manner.

Also, you're wrong. Enjoy your day.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912933]

>>2912929

> appeased

No, this is not about you finding the right formula of words to get your favorite merchandise approval. Fantasy is not literature. It's a genre of popular fiction. Everyone knows this. Lying about it is not going to help anyone understand anything.

Enjoy your slurry.

[Anonymous No.2912940]

>>2912933
>Fantasy is not literature

my bad fantasy NOVELS are literature. I suppose "literary fiction" isn't really literature either.

[Ahab !!kNaamJVNbDP No.2912954]

>>2912940

Why are you wasting time? Of course literary fiction is literature.

[Anonymous No.2912965]

>>2912954
what if a fantasy novel is subsumed by the literary fiction label 50 years after it was published, somewhat like LOTR has? That is, people view it as being fantasy, but critics nonetheless admit it has sufficient literary qualities to call it canonically literary fiction.

[Anonymous No.2912969]

>>2912894
>>2912898
>>2912933
same person
stop giving that idiot the attention he wants and don't bump his shitty thread

[Anonymous No.2913016]

>>2912965
> what if a fantasy novel is subsumed by the literary fiction label 50 years after it was published, somewhat like LOTR has? That is, people view it as being fantasy, but critics nonetheless admit it has sufficient literary qualities to call it canonically literary fiction.

To be honest, it won't be Martin. Out contemporary fantasy authors only Tolkien and Gene Wolfe might enter the literary canon.

[Anonymous No.2913127]

[Anonymous No.2914076]

>>2913016
I'm not so sure.